Aurora police unable to stop sheer amount of teens on e-motos

I'm not your friend bro. Anyone who tries to keep kids from having fun the same way people used to keep skateboarders from having fun is no friend of mine. Also just as a counterpoint to your ridiculous hyperbole, you may enjoy knowing that the vast number of accidents on these things are not other trail users, they are the riders themselves.

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abnormalmob@reddit

Fuck your fun if there's a high enough chance of hurting others.

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paxtana@reddit

Good thing it's a low chance then, eh Karen?

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dont_remember_eatin@reddit

I love that the image is of an ebike, not the e-motos that the hooligan teens are typically riding.

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marlonh@reddit

This is why they should Modify that one rule on this sub.

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toodlesandpoodles@reddit

Allow me to interpret the police:

The city passed a new ordinance. Much like the previous ordinances regarding emotos, we have done nothing to enforce this one either. It turns out that absent enforcement, the mere existence of this ordinance has had no effect on behavior. We thought about enforcing this ordinance, but it seems like it would be difficult to enforce, so we have bothered trying and are all out of ideas.

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

They claim they're issuing fines, though how many is unclear; the article is incredibly vague in general.

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toodlesandpoodles@reddit

The article does not have any info about them issuing fines, just that the ordinance specifies a fine for the parents, as well as, "Police say enforcement can be difficult because of how quickly the bikes move.

"I will implore upon the parents to do the research, you know, before they make the purchase," Barnes said.""

I would bet that the police aren't doing any enforcement and are upset that the mere threat of enforcement hasn't curbed the behavior.

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

Hmm, seems I misread. That's crazy if they're literally just sitting along the road watching, not actually pulling any over, then claiming the fines do nothing...

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

Title is altered to be accurate to article meaning, the article of course used "e-bikes".
Basically, turns out the police enforcing the law strictly just doesn't work due to sheer volume. The bikes still get bought and used and the fines don't discourage others.

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toodlesandpoodles@reddit

What makes you think the law is being enforced? This quote from the article? "Police say enforcement can be difficult because of how quickly the bikes move."

I'd bet the police are doing little to no enforcement.

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

Oh that may be, silly me thinking that them knowing the bikes were out-of-category meant they actually stopped any.

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Coconutrugby@reddit

Seize the bikes

Sell them to another state for charity

fine the parents

increase fines and penalties until they quit

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

Offloading to another state seems like problem-shifting. Seizing until the fine is paid might make sense, but I worry greatly about the prospect that the police are overstating things, and that a large proportion of the vehicles in question are just class 3 plus throttle; we shouldn't be using safety rules to seize vehicles that are no less safe than legal ones. Seizing things wildly above-limits would make the most sense.

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Coconutrugby@reddit

okay how about mexico or canada

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ob3ron42@reddit

Yeah, coz fuck their kids, am I right??

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Coconutrugby@reddit

Maybe they have laws and enforce them better than Colorado no one said you have to sell the bike to a small child.

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redditorialy_retard@reddit

sell the bikes for adults please. I'd love to legally screw over a kid for a good bike

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mrbuza@reddit

The possibility of registration we need to embrace this instead of.... insert meme of old man yelling at the sky.

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miniminerrockhound@reddit

One at a time

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Dee_kno@reddit

People in this sub need to understand, no one besides the people already invested in this hobby know or care about all of the classifications/designations.

Majority of people see electric bike powered by 2 wheels. Not an “e-moto” or “class 3 e-bike”. Some people have a little more knowledge than others, and can differentiate between pedals/no pedals. Even then, they don’t care/don’t know. Until e-bikes become mainstream with the majority of the population, it will stay that way.

Unfortunately, everyone is lumped into the same category. Electric powered bicycle, some faster than others. Complaining on Reddit every day and getting upvoted by the same 300-500 people isn’t changing anything.

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

People can get the idea of "has pedals", and this worked to get mopeds recognized as their own thing back in the day, before they were regulated to oblivion. Asking any more than that is trouble, however, and as we enter an era where a legal ebike could look like a Surron with pedals (...and then turn illegal with one wire snip and a button press), and an illegal one like standard Trek ebike fare (that can turn legal when needed), we are doomed to a collapse of regulatory systems that care about vehicle capability, for better or worse.

I suspect the text-only posts talking about emotos are done mostly by bots meant to stir shit here for script-kiddie fun. A lot of the posts are by accounts with hidden post history. That one claiming emoto posters are minors is from an account that Google shows as last having been an EVE Online dev years ago, and now has post history hidden, so might've been hacked; the few times it posted in the thread, it made no sense even as fallacious arguing, like it was just latching onto words to throw at me.

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Get_Fuckin_Dabbed_On@reddit

It should be like cars. You can have 10,000 horsepower but still have to go the speed limit.

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Proxy345@reddit

It's funny reading this while witnessing two cars crashing into each other outside my window on a residential street lmao.

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Such-Piglet3870@reddit

Wow, that’s crazy… quick question, in the time period covered in the article how many people in Aurora were killed by teens driving cars?

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mrbuza@reddit

That's the logical and rational take I get from this too. Just fear-mongering because of new technology. We need to embrace this and educate people on the dangers of going faster than 30 miles an hour on something that weighs under 100 lb.

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screaminporch@reddit

Far from new technology, Ebikes have been around for a while. Its the explosion in use that brings the spotlight.

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this_shit@reddit

the new technology is their affordability and range

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ShutYourDumbUglyFace@reddit

Meanwhile, probably 1/10 vehicles has no or expired license plates in the state of Colorado.

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I_paintball@reddit

And 20% of drivers have no insurance!

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BWWFC@reddit

over 23% here, and it's still accelerating higher

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ShutYourDumbUglyFace@reddit

Yeah, that was in my original diatribe, but I toned it back!

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screaminporch@reddit

How many deaths by teens driving cars would make e-bike laws and enforcement OK?

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mrbuza@reddit

You cannot bubble wrap society no matter how hard you try. People will die getting out of bed. Does that mean we can't have beds?

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BoringBob84@reddit

Ignore the man behind the curtain. Look over here intead! /sarcasm

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

Wouldn't surprise me at all if there are now MORE car deaths because the police are busy pulling over every ebiker going over 20mph to do a throttle check for a nice easy fine to make numbers look good.

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Empty_glass_bottle@reddit

Those e-motos may be more dangerous then lower speed ebikes but holy shit if an entire generation of teens pick ebikes over cars then this world does get noticeably safer

Because how many of these teens learn to live life without a car and just end up deciding a car ain't worth the cost, maintenance, insurance, etc. when their ebike has already met most if not all their needs?

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Cranks_No_Start@reddit

Maybe just confiscate and crush.

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this_shit@reddit

or idk build better infrastructure so the reasonable means of transportation doesn't expose others to danger?

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thereia@reddit

NYC does this from time to time

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

Gotta punish the poor.

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gravelpi@reddit

No one forced the poor to buy an illegal motorcycle. I'll all for making sure people have low-cost transport, but anything with an electric motor free-for-fall isn't the answer.

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

Poor person misunderstands 3-class system, buys a 25mph-limited ebike with a throttle, police catch them, police crush ebike, poor person now can't get to work.
Poor person understands correctly, buys Class 3, gets pulled over every single day for throttle check, is late to work, gets fired.
Poor person borrows a Surron from a buddy who has never been pulled over, assured it's fine, has no knowledge of the rules, is too brown for the police, gets pulled over and his buddy's Surron crushed. Buddy now hates him and stops helping pay rent.

Three different scenarios where people who meant no harm are now destitute.

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BoringBob84@reddit

"Yea, that's it! Officer, I didn't know that I was breaking the law and I made no effort to learn the law, so I should not be held accountable under the law. I thought that all bicycles had huge motors and went 40 MPH. I'm so poor that I can afford an electric motorcycle ... oops, I mean, 'ebike' ... but not a standard bicycle." /sarcasm

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Eryomama@reddit

80s baby’s love a good boot licking

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BoringBob84@reddit

Illitteret innernet trools ain't know no grammer or punchuashen, but there sher are tuff soundin n rediculus.

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

Note that if someone drives a car or gas motorcycle without plates, it may get confiscated, but only in rare cases crushed. Placing greater strictness here would likely discourage many legal ebikes due to the potential for confusion.

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Psychological-Unit82@reddit

they can't stop us we are the future

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beholdtheflesh@reddit

As a two wheel aficionado (I ride MTB, eMTB, street ebike, and motorcycles) I like that kids are getting out of the house and riding, it’s good we have a future generation of motorcyclists.

Kids are riding, it’s good but they are still learning and should have safe places to ride and opportunities to train for safety, laws, etc. if you don’t provide alternatives they will be in the streets.

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Expensive_Dog1259@reddit

This article is a nothing burger, it did not cite a single incident that would have prompted all those regulations. Talk about fear mongers.

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atlasraven@reddit

Oh the humanity, teens doing teen stuff.

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Pretty-Yam-2854@reddit

And the picture displayed is a fat tire eMTB like mine. I love it!

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

Yep, they grabbed a picture of a totally-legal ebike to talk about illegal ones. I honestly suspect though that a huge amount of what's going on is just the police stopping anyone going over 20mph and checking for a throttle, fining if they have one.

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BoringBob84@reddit

they grabbed a picture of a totally-legal ebike to talk about illegal ones.

That bothered me also. The general public doesn't make the distinction. Where I live, all ebikes are now banned from dirt trails on much of public land due to complaints from mountain bikers and hikers. Reading those comments, it was obvious to me that they were not complaining about legal Class 1 ebikes, but they are banned anyway.

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SaccharineTits@reddit

Teens breaking traffic laws on non-street-legal vehicles!? It's the end times!

CLUTCH YE PEARLS!

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Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)

Two ways to read your statement, and the way that's the traffic law violation being separate, I don't think is even happening. It's just that they are on vehicles that aren't street-legal, something this sub loves to hate on.

My guess is this is police sitting with a radar gun and stopping anyone going over 30, or over 20 while looking suspicious*, to then fine the former, and the latter if they have a throttle. If there were teens going 50 or blowing red lights, it'd be in the article.

*: This partially encompasses ebikes that just don't look much like traditional bicycles, but could well include the usual police racism too.

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SalaciousStrudel@reddit

What are they going to do next, drink a beer and fritter the whole day away reading comic books??

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Drummer-Turbulent@reddit

Meanwhile, cops in my area do nothing about the races between huge trucks on the main strip....fuck the police