Captain YouTuber calls for fellow pilots certs to be revoked for…calling the wrong tower?!
Posted by BikeAcceptable537@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 231 comments
I don’t much aviation influencer stuff and I never really had a negative opinion about most of them. But this one video of the Republic pilots calling JFK tower when they should have called LGA tower seems to have gone viral. You can find the video on those ATC YouTube channels if you don’t know. I don’t really ever watch Captain Steve, but like dopamine, I just had to watch his take on this event. I assumed he’d say that these events sometimes happen and the pilots didn’t right thing by going around, etc. They probably had a long day and pilots often fly into both NYC airports.
Nope. He is flabbergasted that this could happen. Not only that. At the end of his video, he suggests these two pilots need to have their pilot certificate pulled!! wtf?! No mention of the ASAP program. They just need to prove they deserve their certifications back. Of course all his comments agree with him. I’ve lost all respect for this guy.
drotter18@reddit
Influencer pilots are pretty much a waste of time. I have maybe 1 or 2 YouTubers that I enjoy their debriefs on incidents because they don’t seem like turds.
And maybe wairworthy because does cool plane shit for fun and doesn’t come off as a dbag influencer that “caffeinates” before a flight.
changgerz@reddit
youtuber says something dumb, more at 10
Torvaldicus_Unknown@reddit
Water found to be WET - page 10
Guilty-Box-7975@reddit
Incorrect. Water is NOT wet. Water makes things wet.
apeelvis@reddit
But isn’t water touching the water around it?
Lightlychopped@reddit
Nah, for something to be wet it has to be a solid. Ice is wet; water is dry
BikeAcceptable537@reddit (OP)
What about dry ice?
strike-eagle-iii@reddit
That would be carbon dioxide.
Mission-Noise4935@reddit
Fuck...
jessevargas@reddit
Breaking News! Nighttime happens every day.
ketralnis@reddit
And OP you are feeding this outrage bait by amplifying their voice like this. I’d have never heard about this without you so you’re doing their baiting for them.
dinnerisbreakfast@reddit
But also, if they say something stupid and noone objects, then there is no voice of reason for the truly curious to follow.
It's a catch 22.
QuantumMongoose44@reddit
If a pilot says something stupid on the wrong frequency and the tower doesn’t hear him, did he really make a sound? 🤔
dinnerisbreakfast@reddit
If his million followers heard it, and tower was not there to them he was an idiot, then yes. Not only did he make a sound, but he endumbified a large swath of the population.
People see him as an authority figure only because they don't know better. It is true that fighting ignorance gives idiots a bigger platform, but if you do nothing then the idiots become the unquestioned authority.
Again, it is a catch 22.
Metharlin@reddit
Maybe, but if no one responded to the meowing on guard by frustratedly pointing out that they are “ON GUARD”, the meowing would have stopped years ago. If reasonable people quit acknowledging idiots, they tend to go away.
aftcg@reddit
I agree with you, and I'm amplifying your position. Enjoy the likes and subs
Eldias@reddit
As a counterpoint I pretty regularly watch content from Kelsey on 74 Gear and Hoover on Pilot Debrief. I've seen the name Captain Steve pop up a few times and this post has informed me I don't need to feed the algorithm with watch time for his content now.
Jimmyoun@reddit
Every 60 seconds in Africa a minute passes!
FriendlyDespot@reddit
Asshat influencers may get their panties in a twist every now and then, but at the end of the day, it's night.
Even-Cry802@reddit
Aviation influencers are a cancer that needs to be removed. I never ask for stricter FAA enforcement but if they banned pilot influencers, no recording in the cockpit regardless, no record ATC communications for profit, this cancer would be gone.
skunimatrix@reddit
Most ATC recording is by people on the ground. Unless you want all aircraft to be required to fly with encrypted radios.
Even-Cry802@reddit
Just make monetizing it illegal. I don't care if they record it. But posting it on social media platforms and running ads for profit should be illegal. Especially if I don't consent to you using a recording of my voice on a radio to make profit on your YouTube video.
skunimatrix@reddit
You press the PTT button you are giving your consent by transmitting on a public frequency. It's all public domain and ATC recordings are public record.
Even-Cry802@reddit
But I didn't give consent for you to post it on your YouTube channel and profit off of my voice. Monetizing ATC recordings is illegal in plenty of countries. It should be here too. It would wipe these stupid pilot influencers off of YouTube.
skunimatrix@reddit
But you are using a frequency owned and operated by the federal government in the United Stetes thus public domain. Furthermore you are interacting with federal employees and that is all public record and subject to the Freedom of Information Act. That means royalty free usage by all in the United States and really anywhere for that matter.
ywgflyer@reddit
In some countries, the rebroadcasting of it in realtime is against the law. That's why there are no Heathrow frequencies on LiveATC, the UK government bans it.
Guysmiley777@reddit
In some countries you can be imprisoned for expressing the wrong opinion.
Even-Cry802@reddit
I don't care if people listen to it. Monetizing it for profit should be illegal. Simple. There's no need for encrypted radios.
ywgflyer@reddit
My outfit is starting to crack down on the influencers/Youtube and Tiktok stars, especially those who wear the uniform in their videos or share 'state secrets' (like SOPs, or which hotel we stay at on layover, etc). One of the line check guys spent a solid 20 minutes with me a while back complaining about them and talking about how they've all been read the riot act and told to smarten up or else. It's kinda refreshing to see, if I'm gonna be honest.
RaiseTheDed@reddit
Dudes an idiot. He says the most outlandish shit that he knows nothing about. He was saying a 4 engine airplane should have declared mayday fir having a single engine shutdown. It's a pan-pan for us at most....
IAmMDM@reddit
I am not a pilot, airplane mechanic, controller, or aviation professional of any kind. And even I caught him making two obvious errors in one of his UPS crash report videos.
F1shermanIvan@reddit
Unless it's on fire, it's a pan-pan for us in the ATR as well at my airline.
sennais1@reddit
It really grinds my gears how "Declaring an emergency" is normal non standard phraseology in the US. Under the AIM Chapter 6 both pan-pan and mayday are covered under a chapter with "Emergency" in the title. It's a "Gotcha" question for a lot of ground school instructors but seems to be pretty unclear at times for ATC and crews in the US.
Guysmiley777@reddit
You should start tilting at the "begs the question" and "I could care less" misuse windmills as well.
Wingnut150@reddit
Reminds me of the Lufthansa crew on their 747 with an engine out not declaring an emergency.
https://youtube.com/shorts/bugknVx5NZ0?si=zf6OU-h8bTn7DN4v
odinsen251a@reddit
My mind also went here immediately.
"Are you declaring an emergency?"
"No, no, we have one engine out but it is not an emergency, just wanted to let you know"
zemelb@reddit
I reference the “not even that!” line in my day to day life lol
khurley424@reddit
I've met the controller a few times from that clip, and have had the privilege of giving him "not even that!" grief in real life haha
Drunkenaviator@reddit
Hell, that was a debrief item for me on my 747 type ride. I declared an emergency after losing an engine. The examiner laughed and said I didn't have to do that, I still had more engines than my last jet started with.
BLACKzj52@reddit
I remember that one. Lufthansa A340 if I recall correctly
laxtrin@reddit
Honestly if a youtuber is wearing their airline uniform I skip over them instantly. I find that the best takes come from guys who dont like dress up for the video.
Sacharon123@reddit
I do not use youtube, butwhat exactly happened in the "incident"? They called the tower the wrong name or they were approaching the wrong airport?
BikeAcceptable537@reddit (OP)
They were on final approach to runway 4 at LGA. TRACON handed them to tower. They called JFK tower instead of LGA. There was some confusion before they all figured it out. So they called LGA at about 2 mile final. At that point they decided to do a go around. They never on the wrong approach or in the wrong place. They just dialed in the wrong frequency.
Aeromech2284@reddit
That dude is a total fucking clown. Especially after all of the BS he post after the UPS Crash.
WigglingWeiner99@reddit
It's too bad about Steve. Before his retirement, I liked his shorts. Not that I'm a nervous flier, but I felt like he had a good message to people about what was actually going on during and before a flight even if it was simple.
Once he retired and got into accident coverage... oof.
NunyaBizness0601@reddit
The only "influencer" I follow regarding aviation accidents is Juan Browne on the Blancolirio channel. His takes come from a more objective mindset and he often says "we'll just have to wait for the facts to come out" rather than speculate and I also believe he's an A&P if memory serves me correctly. Captain Steve's channel is just full of his garbage takes.
GlitteringYak2207@reddit
Isn’t he the one who suggested Greg Biffles crash was due to luggage flying into an engine after the luggage compartment door flew open?
NunyaBizness0601@reddit
He said it was possible that the baggage door on the nose became detached and was ingested into an engine, leading to a failure. After he said that he did say that "we will have to wait until the facts come out."
skunimatrix@reddit
I believe Juan Browne flies wide bodies for American Airlines. Not sure if he's an A&P, but he's owned a number of airplanes over the years apparently. If you are an owner and serious about it you learn a lot about the mechanics and maintenance.
Valid__Salad@reddit
He also says they should have got an a possible pilot deviation. I used to enjoy Steve’s videos, but as I get more familiar with the industry, I realize he’s a fuckin hack.
Why would you deviate the pilots? They switched to the wrong frequency, it fucking happens. You hear it all the time “wrong frequency. Switch back to previous”
Why would you even cross the line to state that you think their tickets should be pulled? I’m sure this douchebag has done more egregious (maybe not even dangerous) things than this in his career. It happens to all of us. We can’t be perfect.
If they’d continue to land I would understand, but they performed a go-around, the absolute right call.
Fuck Steve and his for-profit YouTube channel. Pandering to folks who aren’t in-the-know.
PayCautious1243@reddit
Pretty sure captain steve made mistakes and wouldn't want him to debrief him for them, probably end up suing them lol.
e_pilot@reddit
Most influencer pilots are hacks.
If you got certificate action for calling up the wrong frequency occasionally there’d be no pilots left.
outworlder@reddit
There would be zero new pilots.
I already called the wrong tower once and I don't even have the PPL yet. Thought I had pressed the button to switch frequencies but apparently not. According to Captain Steve I should have terminated the flight right there and never looked at a plane again...
AcceptableScience45@reddit
I heard quite a wonderful passenger briefing from a regional on CTAF once. “SFO sure does sound nice today my guy”
Theytookmyarcher@reddit
The only reason that popped up in the news was because of the recent LGA crash. This happens so often the JFK controllers know what's up. Seriously can you imagine "return to your last assigned frequency" making the news every time.
EmergencyTime2859@reddit
He called for a deviation because they tuned the wrong frequency? Lmao. My frequency is 127.75 and the adjacent sector is 127.77. 100 times a day the 127.77 pilots call me. Guess I should start deviating them lmao
Connect-Sock8140@reddit
It's just ridiculous. I remember it happened at my local airport, and the investigation revealed that there were some issues with navigation that could result in a crew that were unfamiliar with the city landing at the wrong airport. The pilots received some extra training, the company updated their SOPs and our national air navigation agency updated the approaches to make sure that the same mistake wasn't made again.
PayCautious1243@reddit
What youtuber are we talking about?
SaviorAir@reddit
It’s shocking that he’s a captain and said this. He doesn’t know if they filed a NASA report or not, just says “pull their tickets” without asking any other questions. The whole point of aviation is admitting your mistake, learning from it and letting others learn from it. This is shaming. He even says he is going to create a “Hall of Shame.” That just hurts the community, it doesn’t help to shame anyone.
bobnuthead@reddit
Was a Captain. Easy mistake to make considering the uniform and lanyard. What a clown.
SaviorAir@reddit
Hopping around in that thing and isn’t even a captain anymore lol
Guysmiley777@reddit
"Congress forced him to retire!!!!!"
He's such a fuckwit.
ManagedSpeed340@reddit
That dude is a a massive clown along with a few others on YouTube. I refuse to watch them. I predominantly stick to Blancolirio and VASAviation.
sennais1@reddit
I like VAsAviation. Obviously he can't present the full picture all the time but there is no opinion, just presenting what occurred as best. A million times better than someone wearing a uniform when not at work ranting to a camera about how amazing they are and how bad everyone else is.
Guysmiley777@reddit
VAS dipped his toe into the pilot-influencer waters but thankfully it didn't stick.
ashtranscends@reddit
He’s a corny ambulance chaser. This isn’t nearly the worst thing he’s posted.
Guysmiley777@reddit
Thankfully Google hasn't yet removed the "Don't recommend channel" option on Youtube so I don't ever have to see those turbodouches in the recommended video list.
Cougarb@reddit
Isn’t that the dude who constantly whines about mandatory retirement after having a successful career and making million of dollars in said career already?
Let the youth stand a chance. Without mandatory retirement this industry would be 3x harder than it already is.
GooseMcGooseFace@reddit
I love the guys who want to raise the retirement age's argument of "but we need these older guys to mentor the up and coming pilots!" Okay, how is you flying 2 trips a month on the 777 at max pay scale "mentoring the up and coming pilots?" Go be a sim instructor or LCA at a regional airline if you actually want to do that.
TristanwithaT@reddit
Put those guys on a CRJ-200 in the middle of summer on a 4 day trip and see if their opinion changes
sennais1@reddit
Might come across as that Monty Python skit where they're one upping each other but put those CRJ princesses in a clapped out 206 or 210 in the middle of summer in the bush and see how long they last. Air conditioned buildings and planes at work pfffft worlds gone soft etc...
Guysmiley777@reddit
Oh an enclosed cockpit? Well lahh dee dah, must be nice! If you're not delivering air mail in a Curtiss Jenny are you even really a pylote?
hawker1172@reddit
Steve would last maybe a day as a CFI before ending up in an NTSB report
sennais1@reddit
Send him bush with a crusty old operator running on a hairline margin and see how long he lasts.
Cxopilot@reddit
If it’s captain Steve. Call his ass out. He’s a despicable cockroach
mikepuyallup@reddit
That guy, I remember him being soo wrong about air india. He would go on and on without any real information. The opposite of blancolirio who is really a class act.
Mega-Eclipse@reddit
They are all shitty people. They all race to upload their next video as soon as an accident occurs to cash on on someone else's death. Imagine of every you tube doctor did this in the days/hours after every surgery went wrong. We'd call them sick and deranged. This is no different.
The only channel I respect is ASI. I haven't seen all their videos, but the ones I have seen are produced WELL after the accidents and well after the FAA/NTSB have done their final reports. They provide all of the information and context leading up tot he crash, surrounding the crash, and give the factual/mechanical/hazardous attitude/reason(s) that lead to the accident. They also provide insight into what could have been done to prevent to avoid that situation.
redshores@reddit
It's very amusing to see the disdain guys like blancolirio and SteveNomadic have for Captain Steeeeeeeeve
BLACKzj52@reddit
Where has Jaun made comments about Steve? Id be interested in seeing this.
qzy123@reddit
Juan wore epaulettes in one of his videos to make fun of him. I think it was an Air India video.
InitialEquipment7967@reddit
I seem to remember they were actually Post-It notes stuck to his t-shirt with FO stripes drawn in marker pen, plus a couple of random lanyards around his neck
qzy123@reddit
Subtle and tasteful.
redshores@reddit
He's also had a few nonspecific rants about aviation content creators who value clickbait over accuracy, and despite not calling him out by name it seemed clear he was talking about Steve.
Sonny_Jim_Pin@reddit
I'm pretty sure he alludes to Hoover over at 'Pilot Debrief' as well at points.
Juan really is a gem, isn't he?
poser765@reddit
Sizable number of Captain Steve’s airline colleagues thought he was a piece of shit as well.
lol can you imagine being such muppet you’ve managed to be disdained by two different industries?
hypnotoad23@reddit
So much so that he was no longer a member in good standing of the association
poser765@reddit
lol I missed that bit. Good for him!
Tchaik748@reddit
Blancolirio almost has as much for him as he does for pilots who drop the airplane in order to fiddle with a door that blows open in flight, ha!
tomdarch@reddit
It's important to keep in mind that even Juan can be off/wrong at times. (I infer that he's developing an ever larger non-pilot fanbase and that a "he can do no wrong" tone has or will develop.)
outworlder@reddit
I don't think the main issue is with someone making genuine mistakes though.
dlh412pt@reddit
He also repeated a lot of false information about the pilots in the Endeavor crash in Toronto. To the point where Delta and Endeavor had to release press statements trying to correct the record.
I used to watch him just to see what he would say, but I stopped giving him the views after that. He never issued a retraction. He's a clown.
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
How do you know he was wrong? You shouldn't even watch that dick head long enough to know anything that he says.
JSTootell@reddit
I've never seen the dude. But I saw some comments after one of his videos right after a crash and decided that was enough.
Found out my mom watched him, and suggested she not.
Not that it matters much, since I fly a shitbox. Actually, maybe she shouldn't watch Blancolirio...and see how often GA crashes 😂
Connect-Sock8140@reddit
He was absolutely awful. Compared to Petter Hornfeldt who was entirely open about the fact that they knew nothing and that they could only go on a very limited amount of information available, and that it was important not to speculate or come to the wrong conclusions.
GetSlunked@reddit
First week of ground with student pilots, I tell them to avoid Captain Steve at all costs. It really blows he’s one of, if not the most popular online voice in aviation for the general public.
mustang__1@reddit
Don't forget Dan gridor or whatever his name is!
saxmanB737@reddit
I left a strongly worded comment on the video, but it gets buried with the 1000+ other comments and he probably won’t care or even read it at this point. It would be cool if one of the other more respected YouTube channels calls him out.
blueb0g@reddit
Anyone who puts their uniform on for YouTube can be immediately ignored
_-Cleon-_@reddit
Its not even his uniform. It's a uniform-looking outfit he put together so his airline wouldn't get mad at him.
dfelton912@reddit
Counterpoint: 74Gear
the_silent_redditor@reddit
Fuck man his videos are like 75% way too long and repetitive and half the screen is his big concerned head looking like he’s tryna squeeze one out.
Just endless repetitive droning on, presumably for more ads?
dfelton912@reddit
Actually now I agree with you. I just threw on one of his videos and he goes on too many tangents. Pilot Debrief is a great channel though
Weasel474@reddit
Eh, not the worst but not great. Overly dramatizes a lot, doesn't have a ton of GA experience so he has a skewed view on some things, and I think he's physically incapable of not mentioning how he was an F-15 pilot as often as humanly possible.
Also- dude has military officer retirement and legacy captain pay. He doesn't need to spam ads for half the video.
ReverendRocky@reddit
I dont think Hoover wears his uniform on the channel though. More to prove the point
dfelton912@reddit
True, it's normally him in a hoodie and ballcap. Just wanted to make a suggestion for a good YouTuber
ResponsibilityOld164@reddit
I can’t watch 74Gear for his “reacting” videos but the vlog videos of the 747 ACMI flying are interesting. Different than the 121 passenger game for sure.
CrossBamboAtTen@reddit
Kelsey has always sucked too but to a far lesser degree.
qzy123@reddit
Used to love his videos. 😞
naterthepilot2@reddit
Anyone who puts the uniform on despite being retired lol
_-Cleon-_@reddit
Captain Steeeve likes to pour it on a little thick. It can get a bit tiresome.
As pilot YouTubers go he has one of the lower signal:noise ratios IMHO.
Mike734@reddit
Long sleeve shirt.
CaptainJackass123@reddit
He’s a retired boomer moron.
He’s only saying shit like this now, cause it might have gotten him in trouble in his last few years at AA.
Every pilot YouTuber is honestly terrible.
Swayne’s videos were clean.
Formulant@reddit
That old fart is just jealous other people are flying still while he's sitting at home because "congress fired him"
sennais1@reddit
Funny thing is, like dozens and dozens he still could if he wanted to. Lots of empty nesters take contracts for a couple of years in places like Asia and run a shared contract system with someone else so basically live semi retired and impart knowledge on to the line. Met more than a few Americans who moved to places like Phuket or Koh Samui with the wife after 65 and fly out of Singapore or HKG a few times a month while the kids are either in college or left. All of them were great, still love the job but just winding down and doing it on their terms.
Dystopic_Panda@reddit
"LGA tower, Airplane 123AB calling.
Airplane 123AB, this is JFK tower, contact LGA tower 118.7
Copy that, changing to LGA tower 118.7, Airplane 123AB. Sorry, see you."
This is literally all that has to be said. If you're constantly shuffling through a lot of frequencies, you're bound to accidentally speak on the wrong one at one point or another. No biggie, some youtubers want to create drama for their channel's sake.
Hawker96@reddit
Captain Steve is an idiot. He used the Potomac crash to push his Age 67 bullshit right after it happened. He’s a notorious scumbag who trades on the respect and integrity of the aviation industry for cheap clicks and views.
Kseries2497@reddit
I've hated him forever so I don't watch: What the hell would age 67 have to do with a crash where none of the people involved were even 40?
Hawker96@reddit
Nothing. It was the first Captain Steve video I saw, because I was interested in analysis of it. He just went off on this segway about Age 67 and then it just kept going and going. Then he introduced a guest and they continued talking about Age 67 until I finally realized this asshole was really doing an infomercial about Age 67 under the pretext of a Potomac crash analysis.
sennais1@reddit
The thing about that flog is for everyone one of him there are dozens that age who go and take a contract with an airline is Asia knocking around in a widebody and living with the wife on a nice beach somewhere after becoming empty nesters for a few years until calling it quits. Whether they be flying the line or sim instructing and imparting their knowledge they're doing a far greater service to the industry and padding out their retirement (while in nearly semi retirement) they're the ones that are worth listening to. Some are going through divorce #4 and doing it because they have to. Still better for the industry than someone wearing their uniform on their days off ranting at their camera.
Kseries2497@reddit
How deeply upsetting.
busting_bravo@reddit
My non-pilot sister loves Captain Shteeevee. I cringe.
cwc80@reddit
I vaguely heard about this incident but haven’t even listened to it. My first thought is that it’s much more likely that an ATC controller who is working multiple airports gave the wrong frequency than that a pilot accidentally dialed up JFK tower after being given the correct frequency for LGA. Have we heard the ATC side of this, specifically the handoff from approach to tower?
BikeAcceptable537@reddit (OP)
The handoff was just to contact tower. No frequency is usually given by N90 TRACON.
FaydedMemories@reddit
Okay so I watched the VAS video like a week ago and going by memory…
Weren’t the radio frequencies just a single digit different? Something like 118.1 vs 119.1? Something that is completely plausible as a key-in issue (aka human factors).
Couldn’t it be argued that having two towers nearby on such similar frequencies lead to expectation bias (especially when the airports have a runway 4 (JFK was 4L iirc though).
If the pilots had keyed in the same way but started hearing Ground or Ramp comms say, they’d know something was wrong but they heard a tower.
Just trying to be reasonable and think about some of the things the NTSB would say if an incident occurred, they’d have the advantage of the CVR to see if the airmen read the right frequency as they keyed in the wrong, but it seems like it’s completely plausible as an honest mistake. Didn’t think it was a good idea to kill licenses for honest mistakes because then people don’t talk about them.
BikeAcceptable537@reddit (OP)
LGA is 118.7 and JFK is 123.9 and 119.1.
Jwylde2@reddit
Welp…I guess every one of us needs to hand in our certificates
ywgflyer@reddit
I accidentally took another flight's call the other day (same airline, flight numbers one digit off, middle of the night on a 15 hour flight and they were 50 miles in front of us the entire time, controller with thick foreign accent). I guess it's back to Siberia for me.
Surf-pilot23@reddit
TAKE HIM TO THE PENIS EXPLOSION CHAMBER
DanThePilot_Mann@reddit
You know what, screw the company for sending similar flight numbers the same time in the same airspace. That annoys the crap out of me
ywgflyer@reddit
The second flight is an extra to compensate for the sudden lack of lift to the Gulf because of the conflict. Never used to be an issue until a month or so ago.
Many moons ago when I was at my first gig, there was a time in the early morning with our flight 501, and two other companies' flight 501, all departing the same airport within minutes of each other. Caused a lot of chaos most mornings.
Kdog0073@reddit
Yeah that recommendation was jarring. He definitely undervalues how badly confirmation bias can mess someone up. I get that in order to dial the wrong frequency, you would have had to have done it from memory, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they ignored the entire approach briefing.
And this is the thing that addressing your caller “LaGuardia Tower”, which they did, was supposed to solve for. It didn’t, and that unfortunately strengthened the confirmation bias. In the end, they didn’t even try to salvage it and went around.
And his whole “pilot was giving minimal information” thing was really weird. If I were a pilot believing I was talking to LaGuardia tower, “short final runway 4” is clear, specific, and brief.
Twarrior913@reddit
Yep exactly, incorrect phraseology from approach, incorrect phraseology from tower. I like how Steve is harping on them giving “minimal information,” about runway 4, like shit Steve JFK doesn’t have a 4, it has a 4 LEFT and 4 RIGHT . . . He’s probably the kind of guy who rages at a GA plane unable to make contact with ARTCC up at altitude.
Kseries2497@reddit
I haven't heard anything about incorrect phraseology, at least from approach. What was the issue?
WizKhalizta@reddit
The only YouTube pilot's opinion I care about is Juan Browne's!
AnnualWhole4457@reddit
Captain Steve is a grifter and piece of garbage so there's that.
mrfartsalot2213@reddit
He has a punch able face
ToastedBread107@reddit
I did something similar the other day. First solo flight, I pull up to the holding line and sit there for about a minute before I realize I am on the north tower frequency, not the south tower which was one I needed. I could have missed my takeoff clearance. Student solo vs airlines, same error. It happens all the time.
I'm almost certain that these people, somewhere along in their careers, have made a mistake like this too. I wish they would go back and think of a point in their careers where they did something similar and think about how they felt and what they learned from it, before making such strong statements for all to hear.
ywgflyer@reddit
And there's nothing unsafe about what happened, oh well. Steeeeeve would have shit his pants over it though. Oh no, you held short of the runway and didn't enter it without a clearance you couldn't hear, the horror of it all! And yet I'm sure at least one of his fans would have told you that you need retraining, or shouldn't be flying, yadda yadda yadda.
I would love to have been a fly on the wall in one of his sim sessions before he retired, I guarantee he lectured the instructors over some dumb inane shit that he was wrong about anyways. One guy I fly with regularly calls those guys "the minutia militia" and Steeeeeeeve is definitely top brass in that squadron.
BrilliantDoom@reddit
what can I say, I have landed at the wrong airport before, stuff happens
Altruistic-Cod1330@reddit
Retired and his whole identity was being a pilot… this is now what he does all day.
ywgflyer@reddit
We have a checker who fits this bill, and to no surprise whatsoever, he is the guy you never want to see on your line check/sim session. Treats every flight/sim like you're preparing a Moon mission, and loves to ask incredibly obscure IFR or air law questions that have zero bearing on the day's flight/session, but are something he spent an hour digging through the AIM to find. It's like doing your ATPL exams all over again, every single time.
CrossBamboAtTen@reddit
Steve can honestly go fuck himself.
First-Length6323@reddit
Today in orlando, I set my 737 IRS to fort lauderdale. It took me five minutes to catch my mistake.
It happens.
Smoothridetothe5@reddit
I think the entire youtube pilot reactions/ATC clips are terrible for the industry. Anyone can make mistakes or have a bad day. But as soon as someone does one mess up, it's all over the internet and the youtube channels within 48 hours, for everyone to see and critique the pilots or the controller.
I would fully support some kind of legislative action to ban the use of NTSB data or ATC recordings for monetized online content. Or at least make it so there has to be a delay like one year or two years or something from the time of the incident. I don't think it's fair to people who do this career and to their families. In a way, I'd even call it bordering defamation. I can't think of too many other everyday jobs where if you make one mistake, someone is making a youtube video about you in a couple days.
In the meantime, I think we should stop supporting these channels. Unsubscribe. Try to fight the urge to watch the videos. And if someone brings a video/incident up to you, just say huh interesting and then move on to another topic.
Studying accidents/incidents which have been investigated for the purpose of increasing safety is one thing. But using other people's bad days as entertainment or to gossip is really disrespectful.
billtho111@reddit
I'm assuming this is Captain Steve. Sounds like something he would do. Total disgrace to the industry I want nothing more than for him to delete his accounts immediately.
buzzly@reddit
too bad there’s not a youtube license.
FlapsFail@reddit
On behalf of all AA pilots - fuck captain Steve
pinchhitter4number1@reddit
I fly helicopters so not an airline pilot but just watched the video. In Steves defense the pilot's made more errors than just the wrong freq. There were several times along the way they should have caught it or at least noticed something was off. Pulling their license is a bit excessive, in my opinion, but it should be addressed some way.
Ok-Money2811@reddit
I think I could only tolerate one of his videos and I got about 1/2 way through it when the ad showed up and it wasn’t worth watching the 45 sec ad to listen to him rant for another 5 min
M7orch3@reddit
Please have good things to say about mercenary bush pilot. I fkn love his content lol
Heavy_Swordfish_6304@reddit
Mercenary? Do you mean missionary? Lol
outworlder@reddit
Potato potato?
FLY8MA@reddit
Two VERY different words LOL
M7orch3@reddit
Well now I’m keeping it and petitioning him for the change to avenge my embarrassment.
Heavy_Swordfish_6304@reddit
Would be so much better! Haha
naterthepilot2@reddit
He’s a little bit of a religious zealot but that makes sense for what he’s doing. His videos are fine
Guysmiley777@reddit
Nah, he's descended into the clickbait cesspool too.
4Sammich@reddit
If you want the algorithm to keep your stuff coming up it's the only choice.
Yuri909@reddit
I can't stand the incessant gesticulation. It's so distracting it makes his videos unwatchable. And he makes other people do it too.
Connect-Sock8140@reddit
The clickbait titles are pretty much required, unfortunately. But he's still very thorough about fact checking and not coming up with theories based on nonsense, unlike Steve.
spkgsam@reddit
Mentor is a million times better than Steve, but since his channel sold to private equity, it’s been basically slop after slop. I’ve stopped watching.
Connect-Sock8140@reddit
Petter is a class act. I once e-mailed him about something that he had got wrong on a video, and not only did he take the time to reply in detail, he also explained exactly how the error had made it into the video. The offending part of the video was removed quickly, and he apologised profusely for having made the mistake.
It was only something very minor, but he took full accountability and explained that he had dropped the ball by not double checking that one particular point.
BeenThereDoneThat65@reddit
When he retired from AA he threw his own retirement party
Nobody came to it
He’s a cancer and needs to be shunned
SierraHotel84@reddit
I wouldn't have ever put them in the same category, as Captain Steve has a long way to go to reach Gryder status, but it seems to be the direction he's headed, at least as a youtube personality.
hawker1172@reddit
Gryder > Steve
outworlder@reddit
The alligator eats the bigger one ?
outworlder@reddit
He just needs to flee from cops on a DC-3 or something. And also stalk women.
Flimsy-Ad-858@reddit
The industry has pretty successfully forced Gryder to fuck all the way off at this point. I think he's the only person presently banned from Oshkosh.
CluelessPilot1971@reddit
If you'll forgive the Gryder video link, there might be more people.
Flimsy-Ad-858@reddit
God. Even the few seconds I watched made me want to punch this guy.
Dude starts whining about Jack Pelton and how he was found to have gotten a couple of diploma-mill degrees (he specifically said "faking his bachelor's and master's" which is also strictly speaking false), which led to his release from Cessna. He fails to mention that those things were seven years apart and therefore completely unrelated.
saxmanB737@reddit
How the F do you get banned from Oshkosh?!
BeenThereDoneThat65@reddit
By being Gryder
CluelessPilot1971@reddit
Quote:
As they say, "everything before the 'however' doesn't mean anything". If Dan doesn't like you, he'll find something bad to say about you, right after he says he's not going to talk badly about you.
ps2sunvalley@reddit
lol he did? Not long before he retired I noticed him and his wife in the gate area non-reving to BDL on the same flight my wife was gonna take. Had this stupid red lanyard on. I wanted so much to go give him a piece of my mind…
Quirky_Judge_6932@reddit
The retirement party is real?
GoldWingANGLICO@reddit
Mooch needs to do a "Deep intel on Captain Steeeeve" video.
I'm kidding.
EdBasqueMaster@reddit
Steve is such a loser. There was huge retirement party for him when he turned 65… he just wasn’t invited.
I assume the RPA pilot monitoring flies into LGA and JFK all the time and just dialed up the wrong frequency that was on the top of his head. Pretty much not a big deal at all…
nyc2pit@reddit
So he's retired and he still wears his uniform on the YouTube channel?
outworlder@reddit
Former Captain Steve just doesn't have the same ring to it.
ps2sunvalley@reddit
Yeah he retired last summer
Longwaytofall@reddit
What a tool. Big congrats to the FOs at AA though.
CharAznableLoNZ@reddit
I don't know or care who the guy is. Most reaction channels are a shittiest example of someone at the peak of Mt. Stupid.
Based on your description it sounds like a basic mistake happened. Usually tower will tell you to contact the correct tower and give you the frequency. It's on both sides of the radio to ensure the flight is going safely.
AbbreviationsRare303@reddit
Not of fan of Steve. He’s often wrong, only knows what his airline teaches him.
Miserable-Age-223@reddit
I have never liked Captain Steve's content😂😂.
hartzonfire@reddit
Man the comment section on that video is a mess. Sycophant city and I’m willing to bet a large chunk of them (see: 90%) have never been at the controls of any type of aircraft.
Puzzleheaded-Emu6338@reddit
I have not and will not watch his videos especially after AI171, I know the guys an absolute clown.
InJailForCrimes@reddit
Heard him say a couple weeks ago that there’s a pilot shortage. Alright, grandpa…
pjgod98@reddit
Which Aviation YouTube channels do you guys actually recommend?
shaun3000@reddit
It really warms my heart to see this guy being so universally ragged upon.
VanDenBroeck@reddit
You lost all of your respect for him? Lol. I never had any respect for him.
StangViper88@reddit
I’ll be glad when this guy drops dead. He looks like he’s knocking on heaven’s door as it is.
skippitypapps@reddit
He's such a fucking tool.
Why am I willing to bet that the approach controller ignored proper phraseology, like most american controllers, and just told the pilots to "contact tower" without actually giving them a frequency like they're supposed to?
coma24@reddit
7110.65 BB 2-1-17
b. Transfer radio communications by specifying the following:
....
END quote
An example of where it's reasonable to assume they have the tower freq would be if they're on a published approach and the tower freq on the plate matches what you want them to switch to. The specific facility name can be skipped, too, if it matches the facility name you're working (ie, Newark Approach handing to Newark Tower, they can drop the 'Newark' part).
skippitypapps@reddit
Okay, that's fair. Like I said, american controllers do this, and the FAA regulation you've given supports that.
Now find me an ICAO document that authorizes this practice anywhere else on Earth, because I'm having trouble finding one.
KehreAzerith@reddit
He's turning into a grumpy old man, his opinions are getting worse and worse, driven my emotions and not logic. But to be fair, a lot of pilot YouTubers are quite toxic so I don't really watch their videos that much these days
Commercial_Soft6833@reddit
So... a typical boomer
CapeGreg767@reddit
15,000 hour 767 Captain here and all I can say is Captain Steve is an idiot. Pilots make radio errors all the time and they don't rise to the level of certificate revocation. It's dumb to even suggest such a thing!
xoccupation@reddit
What a moron. It was approach that gave them the wrong frequency.
saxmanB737@reddit
Approach just told them to contact tower. This is normal for NYC TRACON.
srbmfodder@reddit
Glad he's not flying anymore (part 121). I'm sure he's never made a mistake
Ok_Witness179@reddit
What I don't understand is how people see an old guy dressed up in a captain uniform in a click bait thumbnail and go "this is going to be worth watching".
Of course it's bad content, you can tell he's full of shit just by looking at him.
Big_Spicy_Tuna69@reddit
Never watched that guy, but I'd probably avoid a YouTuber who unironically calls himself Captain as part of their YouTube name. (Except CaptainSparklez cause he's fun, but not aviation related)
Skeknir@reddit
You make a mistake, you lose your livelihood. Now, did you make any mistakes today?
Not a one, chief.
(Heaven forfend anyone might learn something from errors by working in a safe, honest, open environment...)
Spiritual_Ad5511@reddit
This guy is a stain on aviation
sdgmusic96@reddit
I suspect he was on many bid-avoid lists before he retired.
VileInventor@reddit
I’m actually so genuinely tired or pilot youtubers or influencers. They either say the dumbest shit or give the most basic repeated info ever and act like they’re gods gift to aviation. I block all of them. Especially the over eager ones who do the fake excited smile.
iceman_andre@reddit
This guy is an asshole and most of the time has no clue about what he is talking
Drunkenaviator@reddit
Nobody should ever take anything a shithead youtuber has to say seriously. I really don't care what some idiot who jerks themselves off on video for clout thinks.
sr15enjoyer@reddit
There’s a reason why all of the anti influencer meme pages hate Captain Steve.
DisregardLogan@reddit
I’ve heard several airliners call up on my local Class D frequency looking for KBOS… mistakes happen. You just move on. Tower just hands em over.
Revoking a certification is beyond stupid.
dstan1856@reddit
If you spend enough time in an airline ops center, you will eventually get a phone call from ATC because a flight is on the wrong frequency. It happens. I'm sure Captain YouTuber has made the error.
R5Jockey@reddit
I blocked that asshole after the Air India crash. He’s just desperate for clicks, attention, and relevance. He must get legitimately excited when there’s a crash, and frankly, seems to have a very poor opinion of his fellow pilots… very quick to throw them under the bus.
TurkishDrillpress@reddit
Who did “Captain Steve” fly for?
BeenThereDoneThat65@reddit
AA
WigglingWeiner99@reddit
He flew the 772 for AA based in CLT.
BLACKzj52@reddit
American
Flyinghud@reddit
Humans make a mistake… more news at 11
Inflatable_Lazarus@reddit
You're just now realizing that CA Steeeve is a sensationalist tool of a person who uses the suffering and issues of others to pump up his engagement numbers?
StealthX051@reddit
Not a pilot but his take on mental health medications is godawful and is just straight up incorrect (calling propanolol a brain altering drug and possibly addictive - like what?)
oh_helloghost@reddit
I entirely ignore the opinion of social media pilots.
If you’re saying things for views and clicks, you aren’t being balanced and therefore your opinion as a pilot is completely meaningless.
IAmTheFlyingIrishMan@reddit
Why do people watch this fucking jabroni. He is everything wrong with social media.
saml01@reddit
Thats never happened to anyone before.
Raccoon_Ratatouille@reddit
Here’s an idea: stop paying these clowns by watching their videos and let them shout out into the void of 0 subscribers while making $0.
hawker1172@reddit
Most of his following isn’t in the industry. Mostly ignorant people who think a 67 year old grey hair pilot is a god.
172sierrapapa@reddit
Yep unfortunately that video popped up on my feed, and I decided to watch it out of morbid curiosity. I think it's ridiculous people are even making a stir over this "event" in the first place, literally nothing happened. No regs were violated, no one was hurt, and the pilots trapped their mistake and handled it pretty much perfectly in my opinion. This guy just has the most severe case of monday morning quarterback I've ever seen.
Cause we all know this guy has never made a single little mistake flying in his entire life, right? What a clown.
sjk123@reddit
What an idiot. I’m sure he has absolutely never made an error in his career….
I haven’t read too much into it, but it’s not as if LGA wasn’t expecting them to be on final if they were cleared for the approach. It’s not as if they were short final to the wrong airport. Mistakes happen.
Mr-cacahead@reddit
Social media has become a hate click bait machine, just ignore it.
hawker1172@reddit
He’s a PR disgrace to the industry. Has a strong boomer pilot superiority complex.
pilotjlr@reddit
Isn’t that the same guy that makes videos about accidents just a few hours after it occurs? Sounds like this is on brand for him.
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
Why do you watch that dildo?
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
I don’t much aviation influencer stuff and I never really had a negative opinion about most of them. But this one video of the Republic pilots calling JFK tower when they should have called LGA tower seems to have gone viral. You can find the video on those ATC YouTube channels if you don’t know. I don’t really ever watch Captain Steve, but like dopamine, I just had to watch his take on this event. I assumed he’d say that these events sometimes happen and the pilots didn’t right thing by going around, etc. They probably had a long day and pilots often fly into both NYC airports.
Nope. He is flabbergasted that this could happen. Not only that. At the end of his video, he suggests these two pilots need to have their pilot certificate pulled!! wtf?! No mention of the ASAP program. They just need to prove they deserve their certifications back. Of course all his comments agree with him. I’ve lost all respect for this guy.
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