OpenClaw has 250K GitHub stars. The only reliable use case I've found is daily news digests.
Posted by Sad_Bandicoot_6925@reddit | LocalLLaMA | View on Reddit | 193 comments
So I run cloud infra where people spin up Linux VMs. We made a video a while back showing how to deploy OpenClaw on an isolated VM in like 7 minutes, and it kind of took off. We've had roughly a thousand OpenClaw deploys since then.
I've also talked to a bunch of people in my network who went all in on OpenClaw - not weekend tinkerers, people who spent weeks trying to make it actually useful. Engineers, founders, people who really wanted this to work.
Here’s what I found: there are zero legitimate use cases.
Not saying that OpenClaw is fake - it's a real piece of software. It installs. It runs. It connects to your messaging apps. It can talk to Claude and GPT. It can execute shell commands. The technology exists.
But when I looked at what people are actually doing with it - across our thousand deploys, across conversations with my network, across the flood of LinkedIn and Twitter posts - I couldn’t find a single use case that holds up under scrutiny.
The core issue is: Memory, and everything else flows from it.
OpenClaw runs as a persistent agent. It’s supposed to be your always-on assistant. But its memory is unreliable, and the worst part - you don’t know when it will break.
Like say you're planning a birthday party. Three people said yes, one said no. You ask OpenClaw to send an update email. It's been following the whole thread, it has the context - except it forgot that one person declined. Now everyone gets wrong info and you didn't catch it because the whole point was that you're not supposed to be checking every single output.
An autonomous agent that you have to verify every time is just a chatbot with extra steps.
This isn’t a bug that gets fixed in the next release. It’s a fundamental constraint of how OpenClaw manages context. The agent runs, the context fills up, things get forgotten. Sometimes the important things. You’ll never know which things until after the damage is done.
After going through everything I could find - our deploy data, user conversations, posts online - the only use case that genuinely works is daily news summaries. OpenClaw searches the web for topics you care about, summarizes them, and sends the summary to you on WhatsApp every morning.
That’s it. That’s the killer app.
Which like... fine, a personalized morning briefing is nice. But you can do that with a cron job and any LLM API. Or ChatGPT scheduled tasks. Or Zapier. You don't need a full autonomous agent with root access on a dedicated server to get a news digest.
Not calling anyone out but I've dug into a lot of the "I automated my entire team with OpenClaw" posts. Every time it's one of two things - either what they built could already be done with normal AI tools (Claude, ChatGPT, whatever), or it's a demo that technically works once but nobody would actually rely on for real work. OpenClaw content gets engagement right now so people make OpenClaw content. That doesn't mean the use cases are real.
So should you bother? Here’s my honest take. If you have a weekend to spare and you enjoy tinkering with new technology, OpenClaw is a fascinating experiment.
The ideas are right. Agents doing real stuff on real computers is where things are going. But the execution isn't there. Until memory actually works reliably the rest is mostly theater.
BannedGoNext@reddit
You are so wrong. It's also good at sending spanish lessons every morning and afternoon!
m0j0m0j@reddit
I can ask claude code to write a script to do that without claw. What am I missing?
mindwip@reddit
Openclaw writes the script, openclaw creates the cron, openclaw preform the cron,
Your method, you write sctrip with Claude, you setup cron, I guess Claude could auto preform cron through api so that's the same.
Openclaw does 3 of 3 steps, your method human does 2 of 3 steps.
That's the difference. Whether worth it or not is not what I am answering. Lol
Western_Objective209@reddit
claude code can do all 3. It can really do anything on a PC
ShadowBannedAugustus@reddit
"openclaw preform the cron"
WTF are you talking about mate?
JuicyBandit@reddit
I think they're talking about literally making/typing the cron job in crontab. TBH, they should consider systemd-timers instead since they have better logging/syntax/prevent overlapping executions, etc.
BenignAmerican@reddit
Can't Siri do this like pre-ai craze
FastDecode1@reddit
Not locally.
Watchguyraffle1@reddit
Uhh. What? Claude can schedule things with cowork.
I’ve replaced my entire management chain with co work. They do about as well as when “they” replace coders with ai. One day we will have ceo bots
glacierre2@reddit
You joke. Tell me the main function of a typical middle manager. Sit on meetings, summarize them, report to upper level, bring back decisions, distribute them, answer questions, report back to upper level if needed.
It is the exact kind of task that an LLM does actually really good. Speech to text, summarize, consolidate, expand...
All managers are so hot for AI thinking they can skip the meat that does the actual work, when they are the easiest replaceable link on the chain. You could compact out 50% of the management chain of my company tomorrow and you would get less misunderstandings, faster feedback and better long term recall...
Watchguyraffle1@reddit
I don’t joke. I’m serious. They are a good team and once we realize we all have flaws … it’s been a good few weeks
BannedGoNext@reddit
YOU ARE MISSING THE CLAW MATEY
Practical-Collar3063@reddit
is that not just Duolingo with extra steps ?
BannedGoNext@reddit
But it's got LLM's which people crave.
Buggyworm@reddit
You forgot it's main use case: starring itself on github
mrdevlar@reddit
It's actually been one of the best examples of bot boosting and subbreddit astroturfing we've ever had.
The moment threads about it were getting 3 comments and 200 upvotes, you knew they were fictions. And how many threads were there in such a short span of time.
If you need to push a package that hard, it's likely not that good.
random-string@reddit
While I do agree with you, the last sentence is not true in my opinion. You may have the best product in the world but if no one knows about it, it's useless even if free.
Just because someone tries guerrilla marketing doesn't mean the product itself must be bad. The security nightmare that OpenClaw is has nothing to do with the astroturfing, that's just an ugly symptom of the times.
rm-rf-rm@reddit
My post asking if anyone is using openclaw had 800 comments - one of the biggest threads in the history of the sub. It had random comments being posted weeks later. Theres no way all of it was real/organic https://old.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1r5v1jb/anyone_actually_using_openclaw/
HixVAC@reddit
You can literally audit the code and see that's not true
VACIndustries@reddit
Source?
Buggyworm@reddit
My source is that I made it the fuck up
ohsomacho@reddit
Hahahaha
Watchguyraffle1@reddit
Ohhhhh. That makes sense.
jacek2023@reddit
Taylor Swift has 280 million followers on Instagram, and I still don’t know any of her songs.
ptrakk@reddit
i liked cruel summer
m0j0m0j@reddit
You’ve heard like 15 of them without knowing it was her.
MrYorksLeftEye@reddit
You're assuming this guy actually leaves his house
FastDecode1@reddit
It's quite easy to not listen to any music at all, depending where you live.
People in my country would find it really fucking annoying if the radio was on when they tried to get shopping done. Same for restaurants and all "random places". We know this because some stores insist on playing generic Christmas music in November and December, and plenty of people already complain about that. (Maybe the stores do it on purpose so people get their shit and GTFO as fast as possible...)
Besides, here you need a license to play recorded music in public places (even if you fully own the copyright to the music, lol), so most places don't bother. It's the only good thing the copyright mafia has ever achieved.
I've managed to not hear even a single "popular" song in 15+ years thanks to not watching TV or listening to radio. The only time music reaches my ears is either when I seek something out myself, or it's part of a larger work (video games, movies).
MrYorksLeftEye@reddit
So you're never in a car with a collegue or distant friend or so and they turn on the radio or play their music and they don't have the same taste as you? Or go on vacation and are at a beach bar and theres music playing there? Or go to a club or bar and it's not exactly your taste of music? Or one of the million other ways to come into contact with music you can't control
arbitrary_student@reddit
I'm not the guy you're replying to but yeah, you just... don't go to places like that. I hadn't really thought about it until the other person mentioned it but I also rarely, rarely rarely ever hear any music unintentionally unless it's in a movie, game or tv show.
It's not on purpose either, it's just a consequence of my lifestyle I guess. I sincerely doubt I've ever heard even 10% of the popular songs from the last decade.
jacek2023@reddit
When?
m0j0m0j@reddit
In supermarkets, shops, random places
jacek2023@reddit
I listen to metal
sp9002@reddit
You could exclusively listen to neo fart jazz and still have heard a TSwizzle song by existing in the world.
It's all good, it won't hurt you. No one worth interacting with would think less of you for knowing a Taylor Swift song. You'd probably even find some of them catchy. You can contain multitudes and all that kitsch
jacek2023@reddit
Now I am not only downvoted by DeepSeek fans but also by Taylor Swift fans
Arsene_Yuka_1980@reddit
You need to calm down..
Upstairs-Extension-9@reddit
You are downvoted because you act like a child
Previous_Ad4791@reddit
Shake it off!
sp9002@reddit
The last time I listened to TSwift on purpose it was 1989 (the album, Swift ain't oldies..yet). I wouldn't classify myself as a fan. I upvoted your metal comment because I thought it was funny.
What genres of metal? Much like your psychological aversion to Swift, I can't do metal with harsh vocals, insta-nope for me. But I generally like proggy-ish metal occasionally
DeliciousGorilla@reddit
Seem like the type of guy who blasts metal from his truck to let everyone know you listen to metal.
Bleyo@reddit
"Shake If Off" saturated radio playlists so hard, that it might have actually played on some metal stations.
Kind of slapped, too.
jacek2023@reddit
what are "metal stations"?
RazzmatazzReal4129@reddit
https://www.accuradio.com/metalasylum
jacek2023@reddit
so I should turn on your radio to listen to Taylor Swift?
FourSquash@reddit
How old are you?
redditscraperbot2@reddit
I find it hard to believe you haven’t heard at least one.
AMadHammer@reddit
Shake it off.. shake it off.. (which is somehow the worst song by her according to swifties)
Arsene_Yuka_1980@reddit
Ehh it's really good but she has better ones that aren't too famous as everybody only remembers that and blank space.
redditscraperbot2@reddit
It’s the type of music you’re forced to listen to as filler background music before a cynical work function with a guest speaker.
mindwip@reddit
You are right, but i do like happy song lol
Django_McFly@reddit
If you don't listen to Top 40 pop playlists, you wouldn't have heard her. Not consciously at least.
It's not the 80s where everyone watches MTV @ 8pm so everyone knows all the songs. The pop I like skews more EDM and urban or bedroom producer stuff so she never shows up as a recommendation. She's obviously not going to show up as a rec in my pure EDM, rock, hip-hop, etc playlists. It's 2026 so I don't listen to the radio. It's super easy to not get exposure to stuff that isn't up your alley. Nothing is general audience anymore. It's so narrow that I like Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez but it still doesn't sneak in Taylor Swift songs into my algo.
jacek2023@reddit
Maybe I didn't realize it was her. Or maybe I was just lucky.
Shl0ng88@reddit
We all must've heard her songs at some points but can't name a single one.
StereoWings7@reddit
Same here, and I’m confident about it despite many others have pointed out we could have heard one of them without noticing it is hers because I spent whole my life in Japan. Songs of foreign countries like the US and Europe is not popular here.
coloradical5280@reddit
Taylor Swift's Eras Tour in Japan consisted of four sold-out shows at the Tokyo Dome from February 7th to 10th, 2024. It around 200,000 fans and had an estimated economic impact of 34 billion yen ($230 million) for Japan.
Django_McFly@reddit
I like that for you, 200k people out of 100M+ people = 100% of people
coloradical5280@reddit
I mean, sold out means 0% people were allowed to go, so that wasn’t really the point
FastDecode1@reddit
Every event is sold out in Japan, they've got so many people there.
200,000 is still only 0.016% of their population, so I'd say that proves his point. Foreign music is in the minority in Japan, they make so much of their own stuff.
solarus@reddit
Yah only if you dont go outside
Sad_Bandicoot_6925@reddit (OP)
haha ..neither do I
___positive___@reddit
I literally told someone this the other day. That most agents are doing useless stuff like browse the news that has no actual value.
Also dude, no need to rewrite all your posts in an LLM unless you are a foreign speaker.
gurilagarden@reddit
I've got them all. OpenClaw, NanoClaw, PicoClaw, NanoBot, CoPaw, Hermes, a custom Pi bot. What I've determined so after a few months, is they all have two things in common that you can reliably expect from them.
They will cost you money, and they will inevitably fail at something important, especially after lulling you into a false sense of confidence in them. I can barely get Hermes to rsync files from one drive to another without fucking that up, and that's with it plugged into Sonnet. You should see the fucked up things they do when I connect them to a 30b local model. It's just more hype for the hype god, but...they're still kinda fun.
sullenisme@reddit
hermes has worked way better for me
sixx7@reddit
The sad thing is, anytime people say positive things or provide use-cases for OpenClaw or Hermes or one of the thousand derivatives, all you get is down votes or people saying you're advertising (look at the response to u/Sticking_to_Decaf in this very post). "It's all hype! It's all marketing! No one actually does anything!"
My biggest question is: how can these people NOT have need for an AI assistant that can basically do anything for you on a computer?
CommonPurpose1969@reddit
This!
Karnemelk@reddit
when i drive i send a voice message to find me some songs, then it checks youtube, guess what is the most relevant, convert the video to mp3 and sends back audio only without ads. Using local qwen3 27b.
octoo01@reddit
Sounds like exhausting compute compared to just pulling up Spotify lol, but free! And you're building a library of mp3?
ChatGPTgetpapertoday@reddit
OpenClaw is just an astroturf campaign masked by some vibe-coded bs version of agent-based modelling, which has been around since the 1970s. I usually stop reading when I read "openclaw", but atleast this post resonates
norofbfg@reddit
The gap between capability and reliability seems bigger than most people admit right now.
HixVAC@reddit
The releases have not been the best stability wise. Definitely needs improvement still.
Personally as an engineer I'm happy to deal with the breakage and get back online but it's definitely not for everyone
jakegh@reddit
I played with both openclaw and Hermes, running in an isolated proxmox LXC on a segregated VLAN and given no access to any private data. I used GPT-5.4 medium.
Overall I found both scaffolds to be inferior to codex, Claude code, and opencode. Strikingly so.
But I didn’t try to run my life with them, like I said I gave zero access to private data. So I setup agents for web research, coding, etc. They sucked.
loniks@reddit
The memory problem you described is exactly why I think the bottleneck isn't the agent layer — it's retrieval. If you can't reliably surface the right context at the right time, no amount of agent scaffolding fixes it. The "birthday party" example is really a retrieval failure dressed up as a memory failure.
qwen_next_gguf_when@reddit
It's good for WhatsApp answer bots.
Igot1forya@reddit
My wife tells me she loves it when my agent replies to her on my behalf. I think he's stealing my girl. What do I do?
octoo01@reddit
I have to ask my wife all the time when our flight is and all kinds of things like that... Maybe I'll make a group chat
dsj@reddit
Alias him as OpenChad
Igot1forya@reddit
I love this! I may do this haha
Forward-Fishing-9466@reddit
Your agent is sykkunno?
Watchguyraffle1@reddit
Get your answer bot an answer girlfriend.
john0201@reddit
What is that?
cmndr_spanky@reddit
Openclaw is a bloated messy pile of shit. I ditched it after a few days. You’re better off making your own simple wrapper (with channel integrations to telegram / email and event scheduler) around a simple coding agent CLI like “pi”.
This is what I did and it performs way better on smaller local models, doesn’t get confused and is way more efficient with token use.
Kinda sad how over hyped it got (Jenson Huang pretended it was an industry shake up)… took me a few hours to vibe code my alternative.
Both_Opportunity5327@reddit
Did you vibe code your alternative before or after it came live?
cmndr_spanky@reddit
Did I vibe code my alternative before or after openclaw was released to the public? Yes, I vibe coded it after I tried openclaw.
octoo01@reddit
I vibe video one before and after... Last year I connected an agent to telegram, twilio, and discord... It didn't have any tools, but now a new one does, via crewai. And still I feel the same way about this post. I added some neat functions to it, added it to my discord channel. It calls API for people and it's fun to play with, but it's not changing my life (yet). Some of the hype here is artificial, but some must be real. I'm hoping that I'll have the experience needed to deploy a successful use case once I discover it
sushanth53@reddit
I think this critique mostly proves that memory/context is the bottleneck, not that agents are inherently useless.
That’s what I’m trying to address with ClawDesk(https://github.com/clawdesk/clawdesk). The problem isn’t “can the agent call tools,” it’s “can it retain the right context reliably enough to trust.”
Also, i have built project called like SochDB(https://github.com/sochdb/sochdb) are interesting for exactly this reason: I am trying to fix the fragmented memory stack instead of piling more demos on top of shaky context management.
So to me the takeaway isn’t “agents are fake.” It’s “memory and context architecture matters more than flashy autonomy.”
Effective_Olive6153@reddit
OpenClaw is an interesting technology, but it feels like it's being heavily astrosurfed by someone. What I want to know is - why are some people pushing it so hard? what's in it for them?
Is this just a ploy by the big AI companies to get people to burn more tokens to generate revenue from API costs?
Someoneoldbutnew@reddit
yea, that's my take on why it's so important. raise the next generation of token addicts
FissionFusion@reddit
but but but theres 1000's of influencers on instagram that are making 100k/week with it and the only way I can too is if i buy a dozen mac minis then pay $500 to enter their discord then another $2000 to enter their secret war-room channel then $5000 to get 1-on-1 calls...
RoomyRoots@reddit
And security nightmare vector, don't forget!
Sad_Bandicoot_6925@reddit (OP)
yeah thats a separate topic in itself. But on a disposable remote VPS, its safer as long as you dont give it any of your account access.
suicidaleggroll@reddit
If the only way to run it securely, is to isolate it to its own sandbox with no access to the machine itself, the internet, or any accounts, then what's the point of it?
Sad_Bandicoot_6925@reddit (OP)
Isolation doesn't mean no access - it means controlled access on a machine you don't care about. A remote VM has full internet, full root, its own IP. You can create a disposable email, give it API keys you're comfortable burning, connect it to a test Telegram account. If it gets compromised, you nuke the VM and spin up a new one. Your personal machine, your real credentials, your actual accounts are never exposed. The point is that the blast radius is contained. The agent still gets to do its thing - you just don't lose anything real if it goes wrong
suicidaleggroll@reddit
If all it has access to is a fake machine, fake Telegram account, and fake email, then it can't actually do anything useful for you.
Sad_Bandicoot_6925@reddit (OP)
so you can still send it emails you want it to act upon ..or cc it on important emails ..or ask it to use a 3rd party API - like maybe google analytics ..correlate that with mentions of your brand online and send you a summary ..or add its email with your build pipeline and ask it to create social media posts and send a draft to your email ..and so on and so forth.
I think there are enough use cases - but they break down when long term memory gets involved. And anything really useful needs decent long term memory.
xienze@reddit
If it's doing things on your behalf, either it's "your" API account it's using or some unrelated one that you're still responsible for creating and potentially linking a payment method to. Bad stuff can still happen.
Again, if you want your agent to have the same "reach" as you yourself do in the social media world, it's gotta be doing it through your own account, unless you're proposing to create some entirely new one that no one knows about... which would limit the reach and utility tremendously.
Oh, so don't actually post something on your account but make a draft and send it to you via email so you can copy it and post it yourself? Well there goes most of the usefulness of "automating" these tasks.
The problem with these agents is you either have to put it behind a million layers of indirection and/or prevent it from doing just about anything automatically because it's just plain risky to let non-deterministic autonomous agents do things with your credentials.
Cergorach@reddit
But what can it it do without accounts? Like your email account, etc. It's so incredibly dangerous in an existing network...
RoomyRoots@reddit
I think by then you should be able to self-host as much as possible and create pipelines to trigger either approval or at least some validations before executing stuff.
Still for something this new, there are way too many nightmare stories about it.
Sad_Bandicoot_6925@reddit (OP)
just create separate accounts for it and give it that - like create another email address just for openclaw. Then you can 'cc' it if you want it to look into it.
CorpusculantCortex@reddit
I think this is the crux. On a remote VPS it is completely useless without access to anything meaningful. On a local system it could maybe do more, but it is a security and risk nightmare that no one should implement.
But the root? LLMs are just not at a point and do not have widely adopted 'local' (ie client side) infra to support a persistent agent reliably. And because of that you shouldn't trust it with any complex tasks that don't require approval and or oversight.
johnfkngzoidberg@reddit
That’s an irresponsible stance. Your VPS gets hacked, now you’re a spam relay, hacking bot and fresh IP for social media bots.
Sad_Bandicoot_6925@reddit (OP)
fair point - that's exactly why isolation matters. If the VM gets compromised, it should be a VM you can burn and rebuild, not your personal machine or a server running other services. The agent should be sandboxed by default.
Adventurous_Pin6281@reddit
all the vectors
Cherlokoms@reddit
This. I can't understand the total basic lack of caution using it. Either you give it access to your data and it's a security flaw, or you don't and it's basically useless.
Also people use it on Mac Minis for iMessage... What the use case? Making people think you are a twat for not personally taking the time to answer them?
olearyboy@reddit
Yes and no
OpenClaw is mostly hype but it has shown there's a need for a personalized assistant that actually does something. The major ones today like co-pilot thing in windows, or even chatGPT don't do much. They're fantastic at research and content creation but they generally don't work outside of those domains.
There's nothing new in OpenClaw - nothing was really invented it was just all packaged together.
OpenClaw has comms nailed pretty well, I've built my own agentic os stuff and i'm totally envious of the comms gateway design.
Agentic Skills have taken off like you can't imagine and making it less necessary to have MCP tools.
Giving it shell access, really useful.
Where I use it? sales outreach, I've used other automated service providers that template mails and find prospects and haven't gotten me shit.
With openclaw i've totally jimmy rigged it to create workflows where agents prospect based on signals found through search, research the company, build profiles on what they do, what their needs are, who are they planning on mailing create a score for it ICP (ideal customer profile).
Then generates a custom outreach mail, critics it until its ready for me to review, then puts it in a column for me to approve.
The workflow is all done through Trello, and that's the game changer for me.
Multiple agents with their own souls, a script that checks for new cards in their columns and then wakes them up with the cards to handle and they figure out what to do, add comments and put the card in the column to either progress or regress and fix.
Having it trello means visibility, multi-step processing, both HITL / HOTL, boards for different workflows and traceability.
Also have it doing Account Management with existing customers, support management, and just added general projects workflow last week.
Oh and it manages and triages my mails, handles calendar etc..
And one of my favorites is meeting transcript to actions.
I use fathom for my meetings, openclaw pings their API after a meeting, grabs the transcript, turn it into actions, and then adds it to my google tasks.
All of that works by using OpenClaw as an engine with external triggers rather than having it wake up and look for stuff to do.
Took a few weeks to make it happen, a lot of trial and error, but dear god has it taken a lot of work off my plate.
And honestly it's shell scripts in cron, a few python cli's for trello, using gogcli for google mail / calendar / personal task tracking.
doodlinghearsay@reddit
Was this ever in doubt?
olearyboy@reddit
Well google, microsoft and openai seem to doubt it - their agents can't do shit
doodlinghearsay@reddit
How does knowing that people want a useful product help, if you can't actually build it?
The main difference is that Google and OpenAI have more to lose than a random startup if they try to push a product that is not ready for general use. Something Microsoft found out pretty quickly with Recall.
tiger_ace@reddit
i think it does mainly function as a tech demo, just like early gpt did
what it does is give a glimpse of the agentic future - what if it was actually reliable and able to complete the work you asked for?
and so the main focus should be on the velocity of improvement here, not the fact that it is jank as all hell
bobinator60@reddit
"This isn’t a bug that gets fixed in the next release. It’s a fundamental constraint"
not X but Y = AI
Journeyj012@reddit
that's just RSS + qwen3.5 2b + TTS.
Astrale321@reddit
I’ve found paperclip.ing to solve most of OpenClaws problems with forgetting stuff, as it’s more structured and involvement with agent decisions is easier.
mumblerit@reddit
I wrote my own with RubyLLM, but after you put guardrails around everything it starts to become a what the fuck is the point of this scenario, I don't need a paragraph about how my CPU temp has varied over the last 6 hours
Khaaaaannnn@reddit
Legit question: Did ChatGPT write this post?
wh33t@reddit
That's basically my take on the entire LLM landscape at the moment.
It'll be awesome some day, but that day isn't here yet.
scottyLogJobs@reddit
I found it pretty good at finding good jobs and applying to them (or doing most of the work) on my behalf. Then I saw the bill. So bloated and inefficient. Claude cowork could do it better for a fraction of the price.. it just refuses to. Lol. But yeah the interface is incredibly confusing and bloated, they vibe-coded it and never looked at it again. Incredibly good at breaking itself too. I really don’t understand the heartbeat, onboarding, etc chat threads… it’s not good at telling me what it’s doing or where to find its current thread either.
Lesser-than@reddit
infinite memory doesnt fix it either, some things just need to be forgotten to proceed and succeed. Who the heck knows how or even why it got popular, but we can now all atleast agree gh stars is a comprimised metric.
Opti_Dev@reddit
About news summarization I personally made a crawler that fetch RSS feeds 8 times a day in a postgres database
I have a serverless pipeline running the afternoon Using Voyage I embed all the articles I detect main topics using sklearn clustering Using a LLM (Gpt-5 in my case) I filter the topics based on my own interests and write RAG queries for every cluster Then I rag into the articles database and generate a summary using mistral.
It's about 3€ api costs and database hosting per month Not a single press subscription is that cheap and refers to varied information.
Clasyc@reddit
I said this from the very first day for my colleagues that it is useless. I haven't event tried it, but since it did not introduce any ground braking research or technology, it was clear that the project was just about nothing for cheap hype. I just can't get my head around, how it managed to get so popular out of nowhere. There was a moment when every damn video on my feed in YouTube was about OpenClaw.
mtmttuan@reddit
Nah imo most people don't need a personal assistant and that's why no one find an usecase for openclaw. It can be as good as it can be but that doesn't matter.
internetroamer@reddit
Disagree. I find openclaw not good enough but each person has tons of little tasks that require research and thought you just may not think of it
Like find me date restaurants around the area or between 2 locations. Have it be aesthetic and seating beside each other. Also reference menu and makes sure it has X or Y
shopping. Reference current clothes and find new ones that fit my standards and specific measurements
grocery shopping stuff and searching for groceries from recipe list and adding to cart for checkout
searching flights as well as I do
Current AI can't do any of this to my standard but any half decent assistant could
mtmttuan@reddit
The problem is: - How often you do these thing? - Do you need to verify what the AI did? I don't even trust many people handling my tasks (who has responsibilities) let alone an AI assistant that at the end of the day I need to be responsible to what it did. - Can openclaw do the task faster than you just do it yourself?
pydry@reddit
I could definitely use what people seem to think openclaw can do in theory but it cant do in practise.
Monkey_1505@reddit
The reliability issue, isn't an open claw issue, it's an LLM issue, and it's not likely to go away any time soon.
mr_zerolith@reddit
We're missing a very important variable.
What AI model are you running and with what context size?
mintybadgerme@reddit
I absolutely agree. All these agent apps are mostly smoke and mirrors.
Vusiwe@reddit
99% of basic software will also run, especially if you hook them up to your credit card, don’t watch the spend, even as it saturates resources at a planetary scale due to its factorially-scaling resource consumption.
laffer1@reddit
I want to know how people run it without it crashing. I’ve tried several times with docker and it works for awhile and then just dies. It lied to me about doing web searches too.
Mthatnio@reddit
"If you have a weekend to spare and you enjoy tinkering with new technology, OpenClaw is a fascinating experiment."
Congratulations, you figured out why it has so many stars on github. Also, github is not a platform for static software. People won't follow it for what it is, but also for what it may become.
arkuw@reddit
The bard said it best when he wrote:
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"
OpenClaw is an overcomplicated harness that adds little value while generating the type of meaningless noise that Shakespeare spoke of centuries ago. The whole thing will be bitter lessoned with upcoming models while offering no discernable or lasting value today.
taariqlewis@reddit
OpenClaw just upgraded with new memory feature. I think your post here is a little aged as OpenClaw just announced memory. Did you fact check before reposting your blog? https://docs.openclaw.ai/concepts/memory
Everyone's working on memory right now. There's two memory layers. 1. Your LLM memory like Claude memory.md and jsonl files 2. Your OpenClaw memory now memory.md
The real problem with all these memory files is that they now store all your private information in flat files on your computer. All your keys that you had stored in your 1password and .env files are now in your memory files. So far, most people don't seem to bothered.
MoneyPowerNexis@reddit
I'm curious if you have found any cases of agents getting maliciously prompted by what they find in searches. Any spirallism going?
Sticking_to_Decaf@reddit
I ran OpenClaw for about 2 weeks and found it incredibly buggy and frustrating.
Then I switched to Hermes Agent. Night and day. It’s a little work to get fully set up local and tune the soul file, but the results have been excellent.
Watchguyraffle1@reddit
Is this an ad?
If so. Good job Hermes marketing team
Sticking_to_Decaf@reddit
Nope. Just a user. And Hermes Agent is free and open source so I am not sure what the ad pitch would be. It hasn’t cost me a penny. I run it all locally with local models (vLLM), local memory (OpenViking), local web search and scrape (open Firecrawl + SearXNG), etc.
It’s just a seriously better platform and it’s easy to translate OpenClaw files and skills over to Hermes. Less hype and fewer fake GitHub stars but a better platform.
KeikakuAccelerator@reddit
Discord + GitHub+ openclaw is goated in my experience. I have also heard good things about hermes but haven't tried it yet.
Openclaw (and personal agents) are as good as your priorities and utilities you have in mind. My current use cases include: health bot which reads my sleep and exercise scores, portfolio tracking news, food recommendations not for weekends which pulls from my maps and door dash data to see which restaurants I have already been to.
One of the better points about openclaw is that it is oss, so you can just ask your Claude code or codex to look through the code and customize as needed.
Enough_Fall_3127@reddit
Pretty sure that the only reason we hear so much about it is marketing. Just all the sudden it is everywhere and people wont shut up about it. In reality, it is super half-assed and full of security issues.
suicidaleggroll@reddit
It’s been proven that their star rating is fake, it was bought in order to bootstrap their marketing campaign.
john0201@reddit
Source?
suicidaleggroll@reddit
I don't have a link handy, sorry, I didn't save it.
It's fairly obvious if you look at the star rating vs time though. Slow growth for a while, then literally overnight it goes +100k stars, then back to slow growth, then the viral marketing campaign kicked off.
Direspark@reddit
This is actually insane. If you Google "openclaw star rating fake" not only is the top result THIS THREAD. The description text is YOUR comment. You made this shit up.
Watchguyraffle1@reddit
But how is that possible? Like. Many of us have been wondering if it was fake. This post being an hour old …that’s just weird the entire thing is weird.
Direspark@reddit
Idk, but literally everyone I know in tech knows what OpenClaw is. There's people making YouTube shorts and Instagram reels about it. I don't think the tool is as useful as people make it out to be, but it is that popular.
Watchguyraffle1@reddit
Right but how did it get that popular to begin with. It’s is a very fair question.
john0201@reddit
So you have no source. And who would buy it? It’s a free product.
suicidaleggroll@reddit
It's not about people buying it, it's about people buying him. Soon after its popularity surge, the author got lucrative job offers at Meta and OpenAI. Openclaw is inarguably a giant piece of shit with massive problems, the only reason the author got those job offers was because of its popularity, and the only reason it got so popular is because he paid to promote it. Not a bad strategy all things considered, and it paid off.
Watchguyraffle1@reddit
I wish is knew how much he paid and to who. That’s sort of charting is something to learn from.
Alex_1729@reddit
This is not evidence, it's a guess. Pure speculation.
helloworldpi@reddit
Why would you need a source? it's insanely obvious.
DangKilla@reddit
Ok then? go ahead and get to #1 on github. Report back. Anyone can do it right?
helloworldpi@reddit
Delusional logic they entire point of artificially inflating your numbers is to sell the illusion of hype so then it mixes with real hype. Open code is a prime example of what normal hyped project looks like especially on github. Use your brain.
Ok_Mammoth589@reddit
"These [high frequency things] are bought" -- Some high comment frequency account
Redditor: source? (Thinking maybe there's liars and bots on reddit.)
"Dont ask for sources" -- says yet another unverified thing that could be bought/bot
Ok_Mammoth589@reddit
"These [high frequency things] are bought" -- Some high comment frequency account
Redditor: source? (Thinking maybe there's liars and bots on reddit.)
"Dont ask for sources" -- says yet another unverified thing that could be bought/bot
Ok_Mammoth589@reddit
"These [high frequency things] are bought" -- Some high comment frequency account
Redditor: source? (Thinking maybe there's liars and bots on reddit.)
"Dont ask for sources" -- says yet another unverified thing that could be bought/bot
Direspark@reddit
The only source for this claim I can find on Google is his reddit comment. Not kidding. It's the top result.
SufficientPie@reddit
"Trust me, bro."
Another__one@reddit
Can you share any links digesting it?
urarthur@reddit
for dialy news digest visit my site instead : https://ranked.news
_supert_@reddit
I'm getting a lot of use from it. It took a couple of weeks of work before things started gelling.
I'm spending a lot of time managing it, but then, if I had employees, I'd be spending more time, and have to pay them. Basically I now have infinite interns.
tl;dr: skill issue
io-x@reddit
You don't need openclaw for 90% of those.
_supert_@reddit
I don't strictly need open claw for any of it. But it made it all feasible in a much shorter time horizon.
Look, I'm not a numpty and I can code. I'm aware oc is a buggy plate of spaghetti. But nothing else does what it does with the same flexibility.
florinandrei@reddit
What you're saying is: the persistent memory problem is not fully solved yet.
This is a known problem. So craft your usage of such agents while keeping this in mind.
Put more determinism in the agent (cron jobs, scripts), rely less on the model "faithfully" following your instructions. Because they are not really instructions. They are more like stories and legends that the model hears, and may or may not follow.
I would say the vast majority of issues people have with agentic AI come from not understanding the difference between deterministic and non-deterministic behavior.
Paerrin@reddit
I just started setting up Ironclaw last night. My only real use case is dealing with PII so I'm sticking with local models. I do want a newsletter, just based on MY data.
Got to setting up Telegram and then had to go to bed so haven't started messing with it yet. I am thinking of using n8n to interact with the services to pull data so Ironclaw is just reading it there. Separate functions that won't allow things like deleting my entire inbox lol.
Oren_Lester@reddit
356k stars already on github.
Travnewmatic@reddit
openclaw was my first, but since then i've spent way more time with agent-zero and hermes
Aggressive-Permit317@reddit
Finally someone saying the quiet part out loud. 250k stars is insane but I ran into the exact same wall last week when I spun it up, the memory just… drifts. Had it handling a simple multi-step task and it straight-up forgot a key detail from the same conversation 20 minutes earlier.
Daily news digest is literally the only thing I’ve seen actually work reliably too. Everything else feels like theater until they fix context management. Anyone actually running this in production for real workflows or are we all still in weekend-tinker mode?
KickLassChewGum@reddit
OpenClaw is a mechanism that does maximally simple things in maximally wasteful ways. In a way, it's what we deserve as a society.
abnormal_human@reddit
I've built enough agents to know that we're not there for "general purpose jarvis" yet.
I could totally build an agent that does each of the tasks I want it to do, but that's an engineering exercise.
I too was not able to get it to do the reasonable everyday-life stuff that I wanted from it. Like doing my meal planning for the week and making a shopping list. Not crazy stuff!
Watchguyraffle1@reddit
Have you checked out the instacart api? Even without the buying part it’s been kinda interesting.
gkon7@reddit
Can’t think of a single use case for me too.
bykof@reddit
Same
Shoddy-Childhood-511@reddit
Wow OpenClaw's CVE/day rate has increased to 2.1.
https://days-since-openclaw-cve.com
Anyways if you wanted to set up some honey pot for hackers, then maybe some VMs using OpenClaw, and somehow make very public crypto currency related stuff happen from the IP address, so then you can atrack so many hackers, and maybe see what they get up to. That's kinda a use case for some people.
draconic_tongue@reddit
I still like the idea. Ideally I'd fork it and make any modification I want to make it do the stuff I want in a way I want it. I feel like the whole "looking for a use-case" thing is a dead end. I'd be hesitant to call jacking off and roleplaying a legitimate use case but it is what most people use llms on this sub for
VoiceApprehensive893@reddit
i could have it do funny stuff on a vps
thats it
IntroductionSouth513@reddit
sorry to be blunt but... ever wonder maybe your user base is mainly just ignorant, and what, like a thousand users aren't even representative.
Canchito@reddit
You could've just answered with an actual use case.
IntroductionSouth513@reddit
sure
Canchito@reddit
Everything you list can be achieved more reliably and efficiently without Openclaw, and in many cases even without LLM.
IntroductionSouth513@reddit
yup you're expecting everyone to suddenly get good at workflow automation using n8n, RPA, python, whatever.. sure
Canchito@reddit
You started saying that people who don't see a use case for Openclaw are just "ignorant"...
Now you're saying Openclaw is for "everyone" who isn't good "at workflow automation", i.e. the ignorant.
IntroductionSouth513@reddit
you're good at strawman I'd say
IntroductionSouth513@reddit
there u go
tillybowman@reddit
i don't use openclaw but another agent runtime.
it's what you make out of it.
for me it can: search and update my personal family wiki, it can search and display my personal documents, it can search and add tv shows and movies to my dl queue, it can etc etc.…
integrations are key.
Stunning_Mast2001@reddit
I know someone running a small business with claw. Took some setup but they did it themselves being a non-engineer
Lopsided_Employer_40@reddit
That’s the exact same and only good use case I have with Hermes Agent.
PassionIll6170@reddit
Yeah tell this to my telegram group with 4 agents in parallel with free apis that talk to themselves for hours in loop until they solve whatever i throw at them
shing3232@reddit
openclaw is good for chatbot in telegram
opentabs-dev@reddit
the memory problem is real and imo it's architectural — an always-on agent with context that fills up and forgets things is the wrong model for anything where accuracy matters.
for web apps specifically though there's a different approach that sidesteps this entirely. instead of a persistent agent with fuzzy memory, you just give your AI direct access to the apps' own internal APIs through your browser session via MCP. no agent running in the background, no root access, no memory to lose. you open claude code, ask it to "read my slack threads from this week and draft a summary," and it calls slack's API through your logged-in chrome tab, gets clean JSON back, does the thing. one stateless tool call.
I built something called OpenTabs that does exactly this — chrome extension + MCP server, routes structured calls through your existing browser sessions. covers ~100 web apps. the reliability is night and day vs the screenshot loop because there's no visual automation or persistent state to break: https://github.com/opentabs-dev/opentabs
ab2377@reddit
thanks for writing this, although most people are simply incapable of understanding this. its a hype based world, under the influence of hype, majority people cant do any kind of effective evaluation in their brain.
for the last 3 years github stars are nothing but a vanity metric, that blinds people, so they cant evaluate projects fairly. mempalace has now 44k stars, go figure https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/TE3oSHrwrb
xoexohexox@reddit
The value of openclaw is obvious to people who do a lot with AI.
At a certain point you start asking yourself "why am I typing in all these prompts? An AI can do this part too"
If you're working on a lot of complicated projects, it's a godsend. If you're looking for a use case for it, it's not for you.
Of course, you can apply it to problems in your life creatively, also. As an orchestration layer, it's tying together my HomeAssistant sensors, security, and smart lighting with a self hosted Grocy deployment for schedule/grocery/meal planning and chores automation, insights on my solar and water use, home media and financial ops, all controllable via natural language either through discord chat, discord voice, telephone via twilio, or smart speaker via android assistant or homebrew raspberry pi smart pucks. With the new obsidian memory wiki hooks I've got a personal more powerful version of notebook LM that generates a podcast overnight with Qwen TTS locally on my GPU and builds a high quality podcast on strategic topics during my morning commute.
I have no computer programming knowledge really, I tried to learn back in the late 90s and it wasn't for me so I switched career tracks.
Seeing my ops agent build things, watching them break, reviewing the shell script, python, and TS it generates and learning how to push back on its assumptions and correct it has taught me way more about coding than university did.
If you ever use an AI web chat interface so much that the text input piece of the interaction starts to feel limiting like it's slowing you down, you'll get it.
ab2377@reddit
thanks for writing this, although most people are simply incapable of understanding this. its a hype based world, under the influence of hype, majority people cant do any kind of effective evaluation in their brain.
for the last 3 years github stars are nothing but a vanity metric, that blinds people, so they cant evaluate projects fairly. mempalace has now 44k stars, 🤦♂️, go figure https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/TE3oSHrwrb
ab2377@reddit
thanks for writing this, although most people are simply incapable of understanding this. its a hype based world, under the influence of hype, majority people cant do any kind of effective evaluation in their brain.
for the last 3 years github stars are nothing but a vanity metric, that blinds people, so they cant evaluate projects fairly. mempalace has now 44k stars, 🤦♂️, go figure https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/TE3oSHrwrb
atika@reddit
Virtue signaling on LinkedIn, to show how deeply immersed you are in AI.
wasdxqwerty@reddit
yeah I run it completely local and free and all it can do right now is just news digest from AI news, to crypto, nba or global news, but I havent tinkered yet on some other agentic tasks since still figuring what local models I can run with my machine on 16gb vram as I ran it now with gemma4 e4b, waiting for unsloth/cuda issue to be resolved to fully test the bigger model