The AKMSU, or in Russian Автомат Калашникова Mодернизированный Складной Укороченный (pronounced Avtomat Kalashnikova Modernizirovanny Skladnoy Ukorochenniy). Which means Shortened Modernized Kalashnikov Automatic Rifle with Folding Stock is derived from the AKM, it was originally described as a prototype of Soviet origin that presumed it was built in either 1959 or 1975 (the specific date is actually unknown). It is a gas operated, rotating bolt carbine that uses 30-round box magazines from the AKM, I assume it can also use 40-RPK box magazines or any AKM compatible magazine. It has a Norinco Type 56-1 receiver, a 1977 AKM trunnion, a custom muzzle brake that is required for the carbine to function and an expansion chamber for the gun to properly cycle. The muzzle brake also has a bunch of grooves machined into it for better heat dispersion and the handguard is also custom. It was first put into the British Ministry of Defense Pattern Room in June 1986, then in September 2005 the Pattern Room closed and the whole collection of stuff there went to the Royal Armouries Museum in Leeds, England. Where the AKMSU has been ever since. Really cool history in my opinion.
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One thing I love about the AKMSU is its mystique, as a gun that it took people a bit to figure out, and theories flew. Definitely a cool little carbine.
Yeah really interesting stuff how it floated through different publications with a number of theories tacked on. As an AK lover Khyber stuff in general is just whacky cool to me.
If .30 carbine weren't like $1.25/round I would be using my carbine as my home defense rifle again. I've got a light on it and it's so handy and portable. 30 carbine is better than the 5.45 in my AK74 in terms of mitigating risk of over penetration, and the carbine doesn't have the "scary black gun" trope to it either. Really a wonderful firearm. Gorgeous wood, nice sights, ability to mount a bayonet, 18 inch barrel in a small package, idk what else you could ask for
Peak aesthetic for SMG?
ZK-383 9mm and Beretta M38 and Erma Vollmer MP and MP-34 (ö) and SIG MKMO and Husqvarna m/37-39 Suomi and UD 42 9mm are the nicest looking SMGs ever built.
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My tastes run a bit diesel-punk, so I like things like the Owen, PPS-43, and the CZ 247...
Make mine one of the Polish-mfr. Sudayev PPS43/52s with wood stock.
Now that the parts kits are coming in, perhaps there's a dummy gun or SBR with tax stamp in the works for the US?
What I love about the MAT49 is it seemed to push the limits at the time to make an SMG as smol and compact as possible. It really does have a cool, minimalist look, and I think the sights are cool as hell.
Yeah for 49 as far as a purpose built SMG goes that is, kind of ignoring the M712 for example as well, machine pistols going forward would definitely push that boundary even further. The Skorpion is a great example of how small one can go
Agreed, when you're talking a little SMG/Machine Pistol with its own little fold out stock is it pretty small. .32 definitely helps in that equation for sure
Yeah, I mean Pistols that are somewhat carabinized are a thing, but I believe that the Vz is a far superior design that what the P320 with a stock and the other pistol carbine I can't remember do, or even the soviet Stetchin, perhaps the PP-2000 is as practical but iirc the vz is still smaller
Walther MPL, Vz. 61, Grease Gun all come to mind. Still though I think we agree on the MP5SD, it's my grail SMG.
As for carbines, I would say the AKS-74U is a strong contender.
Aesthetic only? It's Calico or P90
Aesthetic and function? It's EVO 3. Beautiful, modern and cool design, i mean you have HK slap and bolt hold open that gun, plus high rate of fire and have burst fire option! Love that thing since Black Ops came
For converting a standard AR-15 into one, you’ll need a 9mm upper (or at least barrel and bolt), a magazine adapter block, and a 9mm buffer. Ideally, stainless steel trigger group pins would be useful. This works with Colt 9mm SMG mags but most 9mm AR-15s that use Glock mags have a special lower. Other options for other magazines do exist, but are less common. For pistol calibers other than 9mm and .45 ACP, they will use almost exclusively Glock mags.
There’s Endomags out there, though the less said about them the better.
The two main options are, Colt 9mm and Glock pistol mags. The Colt-style mags (based on Uzi mags) will replicate all standard functions, will lock open on empty mags and uses standard AR-15 magazine catch, but Glock mags are cheaper and more available. What you consider more important is up to you.
Most “AR-9” work on straight blowback, so you need a new, heavy buffer and spring. It’s a mixed bag of parts out there as bolts for Colt 9mm magazines may not work with Glock lowers and vice versa.
I’m going to be a little abstract and say I have a soft spot for guns like the Rhuzi, the Cobra, the Star Z-63, the PM-63C etc. which is funny because they cross the barrier between SMG and carbine a bit, I just like that slightly ugly “machine shop” look to them
For SMG, either the early Thompsons or the Swiss SIG MKPO.
For carbines, I think this rare [Beretta Vetterli](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPMdXrxte-UdFA19kVWIE0MPX9pqadiyJcnQ&usqp=CAU).
My personal vote for peak aesthetic on an SMG is the MP40 but I'm crazy for them. Foldable stock, cool bakelite furniture, and despite being very simple, it still has a handsome look to it like a lot of German firearms do.
MP5SD is peak to me
Some contenders are the Krinkov, M1 Carbine, Mosin Carbines, the Swedish K, APC9
The PP-19 Vityaz with the Zenitco upgrade package is peak modern SMG to me, especially with a PT-1.
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