Why do car brands keep removing things people actually like?
Posted by Small_Ad_4808@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 134 comments
It feels like modern cars are getting more complex without actually getting better. More features, more screens, more automation—but also more things that can go wrong.
Sometimes it feels like simpler designs were actually more reliable and practical.
Are we moving forward, or just adding unnecessary complexity?
Crazy_Suggestion_182@reddit
They're being designed as technology rather than as cars.
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
Exactly—and the problem is tech ages fast, while good mechanical design doesn’t. A 10-year-old car can still feel solid, but a 10-year-old infotainment system feels outdated and frustrating. Feels like cars are turning into disposable gadgets instead of long-term machines.
reversethrust@reddit
So. If cars don’t last as long, more expensive to fix and cheaper to get a new one… sounds like capitalism is working just fine.
seeasea@reddit
Cars last wayyy longer than they used to.
hyongoup@reddit
Compared to when? The 50’s.
mada447@reddit
All of them. Modern cars will run forever if properly maintained. The screens might quit working but the car can still run
Will12239@reddit
Not when the sensors go.
mada447@reddit
See: properly maintained. Sensors are disposable and (should be) cheap to replace.
Will12239@reddit
In modern cars like bmws, many sensors are not easy to get to and require disassembly. If you're ok with taking multiple hours to replace a sensor, basically any car can be maintained by that standard. Also, turbo engines will not last as long as older NA because they operate under high pressure and turbos fail which leads to very expensive repairs.
mada447@reddit
Nobody is buying a BMW for 20+ year ownership tho. They design their products to be luxury and cater to the population that wants new cars every 6 years.
I'm generally speaking about average cars, especially Toyota and any brands that actually make reliable and affordable cars.
Will12239@reddit
Moving goal posts. No enthusiast wants to drive a Toyota. My 21 year old car has the performance of a 3 series and more reliability. The sweet spot was before the tech and turbos were added.
Montreal4life@reddit
They sure do, but they are harder to service especially for the average joe
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
That’s a feature, not a bug
-GenlyAI-@reddit
That's how technology works. You know why nobody makes a simple car that's easy to work on? Because nobody wants it
TruckerMark@reddit
Thats a choice. They could be easier to service. All the screens are on the can bus. They could display fault codes, wiring diagrams, support bi directional controls, etc. They are choosing to lock it all behind costly software and patents.
mk4_wagon@reddit
This over and over again. Instead we're stuck with a check engine light that could mean your gas cap is off, or your car is actually broken and you should stop driving.
The transmission on my car doesn't have a dipstick, so I need the fluid to be the correct temp when I do a change to set the proper level. You know the car knows the temp, but no, I need a specific cable and software to do it. Every car needs a service mode like android has a developer mode. Go to a menu item, tap it 7 times, and you can access all the telemetry you want.
Misses_Ding@reddit
How do you know? My Hyundai is 21. Cars nowadays aren't 21 yet.
It also has the highly technologic technology of electric windows in the front
LastGoodKnee@reddit
If you take care of a car, generally it should last and last unless it was built like trash from day one or has a catastrophic issue
shlerm@reddit
Cars are no way cheaper than they were, inflation adjustments mean we are paying more for our cars.
Acceptable_Ad1685@reddit
Yeah I got no idea where people pull this crap from
To be fair there CPI reports and other reports are heavily propagandized to produce noisy reports with the data being quoted here like saying
Well they are “cheaper” because cars today have more features than before and are more comparable to luxury cars from then but that just adds noise to the data
rainbrostache@reddit
Where is it becoming cheaper to get a new one?
iwantsleeep@reddit
Cars effectively have become much cheaper over the last few decades. Inflation adjusted, until the last few years / covid, cars did not go up in price at all. But every year, they got more fuel efficient, better technology, significantly safer, and overall longer lasting.
rainbrostache@reddit
Inflation over the last 10 years is cumulatively around 35-38%, while new car sale prices are up about 44%. Repairs are also costing proportionally more due to the increasing complexity.
iwantsleeep@reddit
I said decades, not a decade. Big difference. Cars have been flat (aka cheaper bc increasing quality) from the 70s until 2020.
The recent trend (since ~2020) of price increase was caused primarily by demand outpacing supply, and a car buying population who is increasingly wealthy/demanding in terms of product
rainbrostache@reddit
The median age of the car on the road is a little over a decade. It doesn't matter that much if cars used to get cheaper over time if they have mostly just been getting more expensive for the majority of cars being driven around today.
It's useful historical context, but it's just not applicable in today's car purchasing environment IMO.
iwantsleeep@reddit
Your argument makes no sense. The median age of a vehicle is 13 years old - aka a 2013 model year. Cars didn’t get more expensive until ~2020, which means the majority of used cars were still inflation adjusted unchanged when bought new.
And frankly, the new car market 13 years ago has nothing to do with the used car market today (if that’s the point you’re trying to make in the 2nd paragraph)
rainbrostache@reddit
Rephrased, most cars sold new today are more expensive after adjusting for inflation compared to the majority of cars currently on the road were when they were originally sold.
TheCudder@reddit
Subscription model without calling it a subscription 😂
erbot@reddit
This is just flat out wrong.
A 10 year old system was created in 2016 now. Those are as modern as what we have today. AndroidAuto/CarPlay, Sync2, iDrive, whatever Audi/VW use, etc etc. They are all mostly the same as today.
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
I didn’t mean tech as a whole,I meant user-facing tech like infotainment and interfaces. Mechanical systems evolve too, but they don’t feel outdated in the same way a laggy or limited UI does after a few years.
strongmanass@reddit
Try a 15 year-old automatic transmission not made for a luxury or sports car.
Ranger_Willl@reddit
Hello.
Mine is 25, from a 2000 commodore poverty pack v6.
Still shifts just as well, if not better, than the 2018 Kia across from it.
lostboyz@reddit
And it's garbage compared to a zf8 which would be more comparable
Ranger_Willl@reddit
"Not made for a sports or luxury car"
A povo commodore is a textbook example if you ask me. It's most advanced feature is having a electric windows - it doesn't even have the automatic antenna!
If that manages to do better (a subjective measure mind) than a much newer Kia thats digitally controlled and has all the new fangled computers.
The VS shifts faster and more reliably than the Kia does, which is 25 years old v 8 years old and also bordering on being a luxury car, given its 1 spec away from the actual luxury model. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same running gear, but I've not got a clue about it.
lostboyz@reddit
You're choosing a really bad trans to compare against, fwd and cheap as possible. Go drive a v6 charger with a zf8 that came out 10+ years ago if you want to understand what progress feels like
Ranger_Willl@reddit
Two cheap transmissions seem a fair comparison, given those are the two I spend the most time in.
The VS does keep up with Grandads XF Jaguar when it comes to shifting. Physical speed? God no, but the smoothness and speed when it changes gears aren't too bad.
strongmanass@reddit
What transmissions do they both use? Is the Kia transmission any better than the Commodore's?
Ranger_Willl@reddit
Commo is a 4L60E if memory serves right, meaning it was designed in the early 90s. It's been serviced a handful of times, but nowhere near regular.
No clue about the Kia, it's not my car and I don't do anything mechanical with it. I'd guess chances are the Kia is 'better', being that it's more computerised and newer.
I'd still take my commodore over the Kia, but that's just my opinion.
erbot@reddit
This isnt 2006 anymore. AA and CarPlay have mostly gotten rid of that issue completely.
If your screen/infotainment isnt snappy when you buy it, its not magically going to start lagging 10 years down the line.
My 8 year old car still feels fine.
imightgetdownvoted@reddit
This is super apparent on the 2000 and 2010’s stuff, but android auto / apple car play and companies like Tesla that do OTA updates have kind of solved this.
GenTenStation@reddit
Until they don’t support your car anymore
Super_consultant@reddit
My old 2019 Tesla doesn’t get a lot of the new features, and is seemingly left behind in the latest FSD updates. But it still gets quality of life updates.
And you know what? It’s still better than a lot of other 2026+ cars’ technology. It uses all the same compute as a 2018 model - that’s 8 years of software support.
CarPlay doesn’t need extra support from the manufacturers. That’s all on Apple.
Clover-kun@reddit
You can use fully up to date Android Auto and Apple Carplay on a Mazda built in 2013, there's no need for ongoing support
imightgetdownvoted@reddit
I don’t think CarPlay and AA can “not be supported anymore”. It’s basically just mirroring your phone.
KetchupOnThaMeatHo@reddit
Except now maufacters want to use their own software instead of car play and android auto so they have access to that sweet sweet data.
vargemp@reddit
Info on my '14 feels perfect. No lags, no bugs, no updates, it just works, does what it's been designed to do, what more to need?
kaggs@reddit
Planned obsolescence so you are forced to buy a newer model
strongmanass@reddit
Cars have always just been simple tools to most people. They've never been designed to last forever. But today's cars last longer than they ever have.
BisquickNinja@reddit
It is unfortunate that the average car now cost 50k. And the average car payment is around $750 to $800 a month. This is insanity if they want to create a disposable product.
shlerm@reddit
Everything is being designed as if it's technology. From bin bags to toothbrushes, if it ain't smart the producers dont want to make it.
Hrmerder@reddit
1: Google auto?! Apple CarPlay?! No!!! We must invest a ton of cash in to our own monetary garbage!!
2: CEO man like iPad he kno simple people like iPad CEO call for iPad in car no steering wheel
Busterlimes@reddit
Because technological advancements are considered improvements and therefore is not inflation. . . . Its economic propaganda
FledglingNonCon@reddit
Technology has a tendency to get better and cheaper faster than mechanical things that tend to at best see slow, small incremental gains and get more expensive over time.
While electronic everything may seem more expensive, in general it's actually cheaper and tends to get cheaper over time. The reason your old infotainment system seems old is not because it has gotten worse, but because the new ones tend to be much better.
Now admittedly car companies still kinda suck at all this stuff relative to tech companies, but that's not a failure of strategy, just poor execution.
It is absolutely still a balance and we still need physical buttons and controls for important things (eliminating stocks, buttons, physical vent controls etc is super dumb). However central architectures, standardized software stacks, 48v electrical systems will all make cars better and cheaper long term.
hells_cowbells@reddit
“Software defined vehicle”
sjam155@reddit
Because the reality is the things “people want” are coming from enthusiasts and gearheads that are a loud minority of buyers.
Truth is most people either don’t care (or are ignorant to these things) or actually like the face value of the added complexity.
willis936@reddit
That's what the suits tell themselves. The truth is no one has ever been happy that a TOTL hyundai requires three slow touchscreen presses (that also eat up the interface for radio, climate, and navigation) to turn on the seat heater while an entry level one has a simple toggle button.
And no one has ever said "wow I love how this car does nothing for the first two seconds I press the pedal and has impossible to see blindspots".
strongmanass@reddit
Other poster said people like technology, not that they like bad technology. Obviously nobody wants a laggy touchscreen. But that doesnt mean they don't want a good touchscreen.
willis936@reddit
An unresponsive pedal does not make children safer. It results in a bunch of drivers who overcorrect and have worse response time in controlling their vehicle. How does lurching acceleration make children safer than smooth acceleration?
strongmanass@reddit
I assumed you were referring to turbo lag as the delay. Turbocharging gives you better fuel efficiency for the same power output as N/A engines.
The blindspots are caused by safety requirements. While reduced visibility is a downside, the superior crash protection of modern cars more than makes up for it.
1) that's a different level of discussion.
2) I don't bother to complain about it on reddit because that's not the way to get anything done. But I don't like that either.
sjam155@reddit
Then why do people keep buying them?
Why do people not vote with their money and only buy cars with physical buttons, manual transmissions and naturally aspirated engines?
If no one bought vehicles with that garbage they’d stop making them.
TheCudder@reddit
Americans don't know how to do that. We're secretly pro capitalism and pro consumerism because "we deserve it", because we need more social media likes and because we have to show that we're successful even when we're actually broke.
Mustangfast85@reddit
Would being pro communism somehow be different? You would just be stuck with whatever the factory chose to make, if you could get it at all
CarsonDama@reddit
Bro we aren't secretly pro capitalism, we are unabashedly pro capitalism lol.
DoJu318@reddit
It's hard to admit us car enthusiasts really don't dictate the market as much as we think we do, people keep calling BMWs new designs horrid and gaudy, yet their sales have solidly increase year over year with no drop off, while Audi and Mercedes struggle to move units, Mercedes sales are flat and Audi sales keep dropping to pandemic levels.
willis936@reddit
You're reading the wrong signal. People are buying the status symbol their station allows. That is nearly entirely decoupled from the quality of design. So then we should just have designs that people don't like just because not everyone wants to be an expert in design?
g9icy@reddit
Because you test drive it for 10 minutes then you're expected to just be fine with it for the next several years.
Because new ones don't exist, either due to emission regulations in the case of transmissions and natural aspiration, or because manufacturers are trying to cut corners. Screens are cheaper than buttons. And that saving is NOT reflected back to the customer.
MSTmatt@reddit
The idea that all brands are enshittifying isn't true though. Hyundai/Kia have made leaps and bounds in the last decade or two. The fact they offer a 10yr/100000mi warranty now is proof of that.
My 2023 Elantra has one of the best touchscreens in a car I've ever seen, super responsive, and it just does the radio/nav. Climate is a separate bank of hard buttons.
willis936@reddit
Ah then I see you did not go upmarket to the ioniq 5 of that same model year that has half of the climate controls on the touchscreen.
ChirpyRaven@reddit
90% of these articles (not just in this industry) can be answered by "because it makes them more money" or "because they think it will make them more money".
These giant corporations have multi million dollar teams dedicated towards researching consumer behavior. For the most part, they understand what they're doing, and knowing that they can't make everyone happy they're going to prioritize profits. Welcome to every business ever.
Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit
Or perhaps those things annoy regular people too, just not enough for them to look for a different car. How many people are going to reject an otherwise fine car in their price range because the infotainment is laggy or there are capacitive buttons on the steering wheel? The latter were criticized enough for Volkswagen to change course, but not enough to materially hurt their sales.
What are people going to do if they are annoyed by all those dings, alarms, driver monitoring cameras (hello from Europe), but the alternative is being unable to buy a new car at all?
sjam155@reddit
Indeed vehicle purchasing these days is all about compromising and what you’re willing to put up with/do without during your time owning it. Unfortunate
StradlatersFirstName@reddit
So this is why the US market is oversaturated with manual station wagons right now
SqueezyCheez85@reddit
My Tesla Model 3 is far less complicated than my old sedan. That thing has buttons everywhere.
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
Yeah that’s a fair point Tesla simplified things a lot
SqueezyCheez85@reddit
My brother has the newer version of the Model 3... now that thing is complicated! It doesn't have stalks, so it's just a ton of buttons all over the steering wheel, and the park/drive/reverse are all on the screen. It's very weird driving it around.
Ok_Zucchini7093@reddit
There are zero modern cars I'd consider buying, or even receiving free at this point. Cars are just data acquistion revenue streams and subscription traps for manufacturers now.
Nerdenator@reddit
Shareholder value.
Most automakers are publicly traded companies and most shares are held by retirement and pension funds.
Someone’s gotta pay for that retirement golf village in a hurricane storm surge zone in Florida. You’re doing it indirectly through your purchase of goods and services from automakers.
jellybeanjoy@reddit
Don’t worry, they’re just simplifying the dash so they can put your steering wheel and gas pedal on a monthly 'Pro' plan. Hope you’re ready to watch a 30-second ad just to unlock the left-turn subscription.
Ill-Train6478@reddit
Well for one thing regulation. To achieve things will change. Then there’s budget for the project thus cost cutting which requires change sgain. Lastly all other things like marketing engineering etc. needs to best in class thus another change, engineers tell you cant do that with our budget. All these shits and inputs get baked into what you call removing things you use to like in cars
Salt-Plankton436@reddit
God that is absolutely hideous. And yes that's exactly what is happening.
Capri280@reddit
Article unrelated?
Gorgenapper@reddit
The post body is AI slop.
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
It’s not unrelated, it’s just one example. The broader point is about brands moving away from what people liked, and this fits that trend pretty well.
FledglingNonCon@reddit
It's not really an example though. Subaru decided to differentiate the two utility vehicles they had at a similar price point. They jacked the outback price way up to make it the more premium option and dropped the price on forester to be the more entry level option. Not surprisingly outback sales dropped. Article didn't say anything about if Forester sales went up, but I looked it up and forester sales were up 9% so people shifted from the more expensive outback to the cheaper forester. Time will tell, but I doubt the shift in shape of the outback was a major factor compared to the relative cost difference from a similar sized forester, which has long been interchange for most Subaru customers (my dad has flip flopped between these 2 models for at least 30 years based on whichever was a better deal at the time).
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
That’s a fair point, appreciate the context. And yeah, I realize now I didn’t pick the best article to support what I was trying to say
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
Mainly physical controls and simpler interfaces—replaced by touchscreens and more complex systems.
Erigion@reddit
The article you posted didn't have the words button or touchscreen in it at all.
It talks about new generation manufacturing switchover and tarrifs being the reason Outback sales might be slow, rather than the new design.
You could have picked a better article to use for complaining
SnooOranges2685@reddit
And then the features they do add are terrible. I never use adaptive cruise control on my car because it speeds up like a moron and slams on the brakes.
FamousSuccess@reddit
I learned a few things in life. Consumers will buy what is available to them. That’s mostly out of necessity and a short decision window.
The real issue is people whose job it is to maximize profit. They think they are product experts and know better than consumers.
CreamCheeseClouds811@reddit
Simple answer, which many of you will find unsatisfying or downright hostile, but I can speak authoritatively on after 20+ years working for OEMs:
Execs have decided that they need to become "technology companies" and make every car "digital" or "connected" lest they get left behind. We have sufficient evidence that customers DO NOT WANT THIS beyond, say, wireless smartphone connectivity and certain ADAS features. Everyone is too scared to stick their neck out and dissent because of the way the job market and auto industry is right now.
I sat through a meeting where a capability for in-car video gaming was approved. For a product that is typically bought by people over 60, because it is practical. We then had a meeting about cost reduction because the vehicle was too expensive. Someone proposed removing this capability and the reaction from execs was as if someone cursed their mother.
I'm happy that I am on the end of my career rather than the start. The industry has grown incredibly complacent and greedy - although regulations in the past 20 years have also added cost, complexity and homogenity. I recently did product benchmarking at an auto show, and I was surprised to see some products that are known for durability (a certain BoF SUV that holds resale value very well) look like an abused rental car after one week of auto show duty.
We had a really good run of product from 2008-2019, even though there was a lot of doom and gloom about how the best days are behind us. Looks like this is actually the malaise era 2.0
rtekaaho@reddit
Believe it or not, majority of people like the screens compared to physical buttons. The internet isn’t a good measure of people’s opinions. Sales data of certain models and trims is what companies go off of. The new CX5 is no longer a turbo. Why? Nobody bought it.
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
That logic works until you see cases like this—where changing the formula actually hurt sales. So it’s not always just demand driving decisions.
strongmanass@reddit
"The formula" had nothing to do with screens and infotainment.
rtekaaho@reddit
That’s true. The buttons changing to screens isn’t as jarring as a whole class change. This case with the Outback change to a cross over is baffling considering it was the only model in the wagon class, Subaru already has crossovers and people likes the Outback for what it is.
Ghepardo@reddit
Because people dont buy what they say they like. I work in one of the larger OEMs, trust me its baffling no matter how long you work in this industry.
Logical-Vermicelli53@reddit
The general public have completely different buying criteria.
I went shopping for my partner and the things she cares are about are very different to car enthusiasts. They basically look at interior and infotainment features.
Things like cooled seats, and electronic tail gates are must have features. Things that for car enthusiasts are borderline unimportant after performance.
DragonSurferEGO@reddit
Came here to say this. The people the most vocal about cars aren’t the majority of car buyers
FledglingNonCon@reddit
And then most of the time they buy used which is completely irrelevant to OEMs.
DoublePostedBroski@reddit
Because /r/cars isn’t representative of the general public. There’s a difference between enthusiast and everyday driver.
Toyota_by_day@reddit
I totally agree with OP that there are a lot of things that were better just alone or tweeked. But I don't get the upset over the outback, personally think the new one is a much nicer design.
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
Thank you for agreeing , it's not that I hate new designs , i actually love the new technology and designs but overcomplexity confuses me .
Toyota_by_day@reddit
There's this whole concept in a lot of things not just cars that if your not constantly changing and updating it then it is old and sucks but sometimes you just get it right and it should stay there.
aggreeswithassholes@reddit
This is how car companies are dealing with parts shortages.
If you have 3 cars that take the same engine and you only have 1 engine, you're gonna put it in the vehicles that have the highest margin. That's usually cars with bloated tech and features no one asked for.
They did something similar right before the great recession with high margin name brand vehicles like making Denalis and Escalades over Tahoes.
Automakers are focused on profit not volume right now.
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
True
aggreeswithassholes@reddit
Your post reminded me that in 2007, you couldn't get a Tahoe without leather seats. By 2009 Escalades were literally on clearance, new and used. You could get a $65k 2007 Escalade for under $20k by '09.
mumbo1134@reddit
People are flocking to complex cars. It's what they want. Put the blame where it belongs. There is no actual market for "simple cars" and it would not be economical to manufacture them.
mr_beanoz@reddit
No actual market? I thought people wanted something simple like the Versa or Mirage.
03Void@reddit
This isn't reflected in actual sales.
jestem-lama@reddit
I retrofitted my F30 with android head unit and I must tell you.
Operating android auto with a knob is SO MUCH MORE fast and convenient than using the damn touchscreen. I still have the option to use the touchscreen, but being able to skip songs, set your navi destination, etc while driving with only brief glances at the screen is just simply better.
At my work we have a couple of new cars and it's just night and day difference, not having to use the touchscreen.
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
Yeah that is the point I wanted to emphasize but did not had words to express
wawaboy@reddit
money
NCSUGrad2012@reddit
Because actual car buyers have very little overlap with the users on r/cars
TheReaperSovereign@reddit
Redditors are also very arrogant and think their opinions are better than any one else
This is also typical car forum new car bad, old car good circle jerk that's being going on forever since before forums existed.
Montreal4life@reddit
I see this posted here a lot but all my normie friends seem to hate the screens?
desf15@reddit
On the other hand, almost all of my normie friends and family seems to love big ass screens.
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
Actual car buyers maybe are irrational , maybe because as money kicks in , it's not about higher price the better, it's about prestige and ego for buying car with latest technology even if it's of not that much use or makes things complicated sometimes.
strongmanass@reddit
The article you posted is about Outback sales but you're complaining about features and complexity.
Maybe people like the technology and features and are willing to put up the complexity those things require.
desf15@reddit
What do you mean? As article is clearly unrelated to your post title.
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
Yeah, that’s fair—the article doesn’t directly match the title. I was trying to highlight a broader pattern rather than that specific case, but I could’ve chosen a better example.
desf15@reddit
Article talks about production switch and you're talking about removing features. It's not that they are not "directly related", they are as much unrelated as it can be while still being about cars.
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
Yeah, that’s my mistake—mislinked the article for what I wanted to say.
agiordanony@reddit
There are a million reasons they change things on products. I’d say most likely the people in their test groups they’re asking are people they want to buy the product and not people who own one already. Like the Subaru in the picture, most of those customers keep their vehicle. They’re not going to get the information they want asking someone who’s not going to buy one. Plus, even if someone owns one already in the group and is going to keep it who knows if they’re purchase another even if they own one already.
Metalsheepapocalypse@reddit
We’re getting to the point where every brand has dropped their small, cheap cars and now only build $50,000 crossovers….soon no one’s going to be able to afford those and everyone will want a smaller and cheaper vehicle…but almost no one’s building those
hayuata@reddit
Chat gpt
Small_Ad_4808@reddit (OP)
Actually i do use chat gpt for making sure my grammer is all correct before posting anything nowadays even while talking to friends , it has just became a norm but the question was mine as I like old classic cars
KetchupOnThaMeatHo@reddit
It's all in an effort to make them more money. The transition to screens and increaded tech in cars makes your current car seem old. This makes a vast majority of buyers "need" to buy a new vehicle to keep up with society.
skidsareforkids@reddit
Because there are more people who want new cars than there are “purists” or “enthusiasts” who bitch about stick shifts and buttons. Manufacturers can keep cutting costs and streamlining production process in the name of design and people will keep buying it anyway (usually)
V48runner@reddit
The other Jalopnik is getting lots of traffic from here today. Half of what they've posted thus far is just stuff that's already been regurgitated a few times.
What's next? I bought a Miata and now I realize why they're great?
3deltapapa@reddit
They're making them more expensive so you'll pay more money
harpsm@reddit
I think that's true, but on the other hand when cheap low tech no-frills cars are available, people don't really seem to be buying them.
racsee1@reddit
Cause the social stigma is that if you buy a new car it should be new and nice and more than you can afford not something cheap and reasonable.
TallDude17@reddit
We just need a middle ground, when it comes to vehicles. Sadly, I highly doubt that’ll happen. It’s all about consumerism & high profits. But, I think it’s also on the agenda group of the buyer, how financially stable they are & market availability.
thebigdu@reddit
I miss the buttons.
Shadow_Ass@reddit
Money. It's always money