Anon fell for it again

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GorseB@reddit

New Zealand fucked itself over harder than Canada did. The amount of people that have left and are leaving and the amount of immigration they need to cover those losses is compounding the problem. What I don't understand is why it has to be from majority one country (india) instead of importing from a range of countries to encourage diversity.

its actually gotten so undesirable to live there that the house prices are falling, that is fucking insane to me.

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MyDogIsDaBest@reddit

It's also a pain in the ass for some people to immigrate here, but we're doing them no favours in making it appealing based on our income. If you were thinking of coming to NZ, if you just look at Australia, the amount you'll earn there is almost guaranteed to be better than what you'd earn here. Sure our landscapes are way nicer and there's basically no animals that want to kill you, but that's not enough of a draw to get skilled labour here.

I'm no politician or economist or anything, but I think we need to make it more enticing for big business to come here, so that we can inject some good money into the country through skilled workers.

Bring up wages and skilled workers will be more likely to come here.

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Bobocannon@reddit

Australia has stricter immigration than us. Many of the people coming to NZ are using NZ as a staging ground. They stay in NZ long enough to hop to Aus under the special visa.

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MyDogIsDaBest@reddit

It's so insane that we seem so resistant to new businesses and there's not much support for entrepreneurship when stuff like Xero are touted as proud NZ business success stories. Why not try and make more like Xero and build companies to employ people?

No let's give tax cuts to landlords. It'll trickle down to renters this time bro, please I promise this time bro, trust me.

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cheapdrinks@reddit

Diversity is our strength.

The diversity: Indian, Nepalese, Pakistani, Bangladeshi.

Like come on, at least flood the market with big booty Latinas or something

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PsychologicalMall787@reddit

Damn, Nepal out here catching strays.

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Maz2742@reddit

The Gurkhas won't stand for this

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Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit

Not higher than 5'3" they won't.

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TMWNN@reddit

New Zealand fucked itself over harder than Canada did. The amount of people that have left

Even its previous prime minister left, first to the US and then to Australia.

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HG2321@reddit

The prime minister responsible for much of the current mess too...

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Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit

Sheep stay winning

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Stunning-Field2011@reddit

Hardly when the jeets will be fucking them.

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Loathe_the_Hive@reddit

You think our white women are gonna fuck the jeets? Nah, they'll just end up doing the same incel neet shit as they do in their own country.

And rapes will spike. This is nothing new, unfortunately, except for the sheer scale.

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Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit

kiwoids think sheep are women

Oh no no no no

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mischling2543@reddit

Yeah as a Canadian the only place I can really laugh at right now is NZ. Western Europe cost or living, Eastern Europe wages, and natives throwing tantrums in parliament whenever they don't get what they want

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Bum_King@reddit

Now we get to watch the natural beauty of New Zealand get destroyed by the weekly celebrations of trash throwing and river shitting.

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NegativeVega@reddit

New Zealand fucked itself over harder than Canada did

impressive

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InternetSolid4166@reddit

Anon needs to leave. I did. New Zealand is in a death spiral. Home owners will vote for literally anything to push up house prices, which is killing the economy and causing unimaginable destruction in the lives of generations of young people. They’ll keep immigration high because it makes house prices go up. That’s it. It won’t change until home owners are the firm minority, and that’s decades away.

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HG2321@reddit

But where do you go? Australia is literally the same, if anything their housing market is more cooked than NZ's at the moment.

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InternetSolid4166@reddit

Australia is unequivocally better. Kiwis can move there permanently without any kind of visa requirements. It’s the sweetest deal in the world. I made the move and earned 50% more overnight. Sydney is more cooked than Auckland, but you don’t want to live in Sydney. Heaps of places in Brisbane are way cheaper relative to the wages than Auckland. Especially after factoring in the lower relative cost of living.

I ended up in Denmark but that’s harder. Awesome place though. Holland and Norway and Singapore and Switzerland are also great. The U.S. is surprisingly great as well, provided you choose the right state and understand your priorities. You’ll make huge wages there but little vacation time and poor work life balance. Although considering the shitty work life balance in NZ, that’s probably close to parity now.

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DownvoteMeHarder@reddit

Does everything you said about NZ still apply to potential residents/migrants from elsewhere in the Anglosphere who already have money? Is Chile the last bastion of cool summers in the southern hemisphere that doesn't suck?

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InternetSolid4166@reddit

NZ is great if you’re “rich.” By rich I mean NZ$3M+. That gives you $1M for a not shit house and enough investment income to pay for healthcare (because you do NOT want to rely on public healthcare), expensive food, petrol, and electricity. Plus spending money. NZ isn’t a cultural wonder. It’s slow and quiet. World class for the nature though, so if you like outdoor sports, you’ll be in heaven. I really miss the hiking and mountain biking.

If you’re not rich, do not go there. Wages suck. Cost of living is way too high for the wages.

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TMWNN@reddit

(because you do NOT want to rely on public healthcare)

How does NZ's system compare to Australia's? I know Australia really, really encourages people to go private.

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InternetSolid4166@reddit

It’s way worse than Australia. The Aussies have a kind of hybrid Swiss system. Everyone gets public healthcare but if you don’t buy health insurance and can afford it there can be tax disadvantages. It’s really not expensive compared to US health insurance because the backstop is the government and it places enormous downward pressure on prices. Also the insurance is more for non life threatening stuff. You still go public for stuff like major surgery.

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NyMiggas@reddit

Does NZ have bad work life balance? Everyone seems so chill I just assumed they were doing it European style and took like a month long summer vacation.

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InternetSolid4166@reddit

I worked 50-60 hour weeks for my entire career until I left. I was working in software. More vacation weeks though. I think it’s 4 weeks after you’ve worked somewhere for a year. Still shit compared to Europe. I get 2 months of vacation each year and work 37 hour weeks for more pay than I ever thought I would earn. Now I have a big house by the water. Another big summer house. An Audi. A big family which we can easily afford. And I’ll be retiring soon in my mid 40s.

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therecan_be_only_one@reddit

Is recording immigration bad for some reason? Does anon just hate analytics?

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redditodhater@reddit

Is it good for some reason? I would love to hear why

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therecan_be_only_one@reddit

Recording the volume of immigration over a given time period allows policymakers to gauge whether their policies are slowing or increasing the rate of immigration, or having no effect at all.

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Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit

Stab politician with wakizashi on stage

Japanese socialist party declines and eventually dies

97% of Japanese population is Japanese in 2026

Really makes you think.

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ABHOR_pod@reddit

Japanese economy unsustainable
Labor shortage so bad employees expected to sleep at their desk
Average worker doesn’t even have time to go out and get laid
Normalize assaulting underage girls on the train on your way to or from work because it’s the only sexual contact you can get

Yeah sounds like a real paradise. If only we were as racist as Japan we could live in a society that utopian.

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Prize_Caterpillar647@reddit

If you were reborn as a majority person in any country, which ones would you choose above Japan?

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ABHOR_pod@reddit

Any one where I wouldn't have to be born as a majority person to be guaranteed a decent quality of life and protected civil rights.

It is actual sociopathic and antisocial behavior to suggest that the "majority person" should be treated differently than others. Wild that you'd openly admit to such a fascist ideology.

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IzzyIsMyQueen0604@reddit

So which country?

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Cultural_Pangolin149@reddit

Have "we" ever tried being as racist as japan, while being as sexist as taliban? this will fix the labor shortage with the elimination of "jobs" for women and new divorce laws etc. increasing tfr. gerontocracy weakens which will solve 90% of the problems in general. obviously this is a simplification but it sounds pretty good to me

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ABHOR_pod@reddit

The Taliban is already as racist as Japan, or more so.

So if we were as racist and sexist as the Taliban we could have a society as wonderful as Afghanistan. Clearly the peak of western civilization.

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garbagecan1992@reddit

black on white crime is a thousand times more normalized than assaulting girls in japan lmao

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Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit

All of those problems are temporary and solvable without mass unrest. Demographic replacement is permanent. Also:

Labor surplus means it's very difficult for young people to get a job even with multiple degrees

Average male worker is ignored by women and can't get a quality relationship

Normalize migrants raping underage girls and getting a slap on the wrist because they told the liberal judge a sob story about their refugee background

normie who insults the rapists gets a longer sentence

be Western country

pic unrelated

We have it similarly bad, maybe worse.

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vincent2751@reddit

Normalize assaulting underage girls on the train on your way to or from work because it's the only sexual contact you can get Normalized by who? You?

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simp4malvina@reddit

>Normalize assaulting underage girls on the train on your way to or from work because it’s the only sexual contact you can get

Ahhhh that explains the popularity.

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19Alexastias@reddit

Meanwhile their economy is in the toilet while everyone works 18 hour days (not actually productive it’s just shameful to be seen leaving work) and they never go outside or socialise. Japan could probably use a bit of foreign culture because their homegrown culture sucks.

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ChainOk792@reddit

The point is to replace you

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Klanks-gauntlets@reddit

as long as you have capitalism you will have infinity immigration

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droogvertical@reddit

✨democracy✨ is when the social elite send out a sock puppet person to lie to you about what they’re going to do, get elected, do the opposite of what they said, and you get to choose the lying sock puppet every few years.

This same exact process happens in every western country every election every time. Yet the cattle keep on voting thinking its going to change one day.

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MyDogIsDaBest@reddit

Is the solution to the problem what the French did during the French revolution?

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stinkyjim88@reddit

GDP has to go up

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DopeyMcSnopey@reddit

NZ government made the wise decision to allow foreign investments in every conceivable area, money then goes offshore

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MyDogIsDaBest@reddit

Yeah this is a massive fuck up. We needed to honeypot them in, then trap them here instead of changing the rules to new foreign investment after the damage had been done.

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CSGaz1@reddit

Only possible with a pacifist population.

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Lastburn@reddit

I mean yeah no shit, no Kiwi is gonna be picking broccolis at the broccoli patch for minimum wage. Even back in the 30's they imported cheap italian labor as cane cutters. One in every 3 Italian in Australia was a cane cutter before WW2 brokeout

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WRX_enjoyer@reddit

Remember the birth rates

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Lastburn@reddit

I mean yeah, no kiwi is ever gonna fucking harvest broccoli from the fucking broccoli patch bruh.

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FullTimeHarlot@reddit

I thought the Kiwi's all left to Aus for better paid mining jobs. Who's left over there to do the actual work?

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PopaBjorn@reddit

Well, you see, the capital interests like cheap labour. And if you don't want to work for dirt cheap, they'll import someone who will.

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eldelshell@reddit

And don't forget their main voting groups: retirees. You need young labor to pay for their retirement.

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DreamsServedSoft@reddit

the new immigrants vote for them also so it’s permanent power. democracy does not have an answer for this

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angrybluechair@reddit

Actually not so much them voting for more immigrants, much like that Mexican guy who wanted strict border control the instant he illegally crossed the US border fence, they'd rather not be undercut themselves by other immigrants.

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AnalysisParalysis85@reddit

Be they left, be they right, their owners want cheap labor.

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Street_Customer7466@reddit

i have a plan

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Garma_Zabi_201@reddit

You always got a plan, Dutch.

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ShadySchizo@reddit

Boomers demand two things: pensions, which they aren't getting without immigration and healthcare, which they also aren't getting without immigration. If a politician can't provide them those two things, boomers will vote for another that can and considering their immense numbers, they will have their way.

So for every politician in the West, the choice is simple - accepting immigration or losing the next election. They always chose the former.

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