from all over the world, but especially china, korea, and india. where i live in auckland its about 50% europeans ethnicities, 30% asian, 15% pacific islanders, 12% māori, 3% other.
Translation: I NEED my racial underclass of immigrants to DELIVER my sloperinos because paying a decent wage for locals to do it is le hecking alt right.
Japan and South Korea are definitely not good examples. They're basket case examples of rich countries without immigration unable to sustain their economies.
Exactly. Birth rates are recoverable via systemic changes in work culture/hours and incentives such as paid leave and subsidized daycare. Where as immigration permanently changes your people forever
The state is collapsing due to not attracting/allowing immigration, the U.S. also has remarkbly low birth rates but is nowhere near collapse because immigration keeps the ethary piramod base growing.
Even countries with good work/life balance have low fertility problens, ergo denmark and the nordic countries being bellow the replacement rate, on the short term, immigration is the only way to ofset low fertility rates.
The only people that benefit from mass immigration are the rich. All anyone is doing is putting a bunch of cultures who are fundamentally incompatible together and expecting them not to hate eachother after a decade. It's like having a house full of roommates with completely different views on how to cook/clean/socialize etc...
>bunch of cultures who are fundamentally incompatible together
It would do magnitudes to improve your understanding to start conceptualizing of people as people. You say immigration only helps the rich and instead of acting out against the rich you buy into the exact neanderthal tribalist sentiment they're trying to sell you.
It’s such a joke considering America and most western nations were quite literally built and developed by early immigrants lmao. Like how crazy is it that an Italian American whose grandfather faced xenophobia and discrimination can now freely bitch and moan about immigrants coming to the country, it’s honestly beautiful in the most regarded way.
Which makes me wonder why lefties aren't pissed about illegal immigration, and are completely brainwashed by the party to protest against immigration enforcement and policy that would help the working class. "Muh heckin' taco trucks!!" I guess.
I was on a road trip with my family recently and we went to a state park. It was full of hundreds of Hispanics blasting music and barbecuing with trash everywhere. I commented on how it wasn’t like this 10 years ago and my sister said, “People want ethnic restaurants, but not ethnic people“ like a Manchurian candidate echoing propaganda. As if enjoying a taco truck requires your entire community to be over run by incompatible people. Ridiculous
Other rich countries also have dogshit birthrates for native and every immigrants who comes in start getting similar birthrates one or two generations in. And rich countries usually have a lot of social benefits that can only be maintained by having more young than old people. You could try cutting off social security but this is gonna be really unpopular, especially with the old population who rely on it the most AND vote the most. Even if you completely remove that, having less people around just sucks in general for the economy and would led to a period of downturn that would spook most people. No country so far has figured out how to encourage people to fuck more, even though this is something that is happening across many different societies. So the easy short term solution to this demographic problem is to import new people, although it is far from being a perfect panacea.
Yeah....
If everyone was free to choose what to do they'd be cool stuff like Doctors and astronauts. An economy still needs lower skill professions like Nurses, taxi drivers and garbagemen.
Especially since most people in developed countries go to college, they aren't even willing to do these jobs even if the comparative is unemployment.(Which is usually covered by unemployment benefits)
Western countries fix this by importing low skill labour but there's nobody wanting to do these jobs in Japan. Low skill does not mean not essential.
Denmark at least recognized the existential threat posed by unregulated mass migration and put a stop to it. They didn't go so far as to mass deport people who were already there, but they at least aren't actively making the problem worse.
Interesting graph. It seems to suggest that a) immigrants from more bombed and war torn, less educated countries contribute less in tax because they work in the less-paying, more fundamental services like gastronomy, construction or store staff, b) that the gap is more than covered by tax paid by the higher earning in-EU migration, and c) that paid tax is far from the only measure of contribution to a society because it's the somalis who make sure the grocery is full
Yes let’s praise the Somalis for changing the way we check out groceries and ignore their billions of dollars in scamming systems in Minnesota. You just saw a graph that shows these immigrants are not economically beneficial to the west and your response was that “Europeans can subsidize them”. Why would a European logically pay taxes to subsidize their own demographic replacement?
To reiterate what you've ignored while writing this reply, income and property tax paid are what this graph represents and are simply nowhere near an exhaustive measure to quantify something as vague as "economic benefit". The idea that the massive minimum wage working class somehow represents negligible contribution to the economy on account of them not outpaying their "cost" in a highly socialized capitalist economy is just blatantly misunderstanding at best and purposefully hostile at worst. You only like this graph because it puts the right people at the top and the right people at the bottom. You have no idea what it actually represents in the country it shows a thin slice of.
Just remember, the worst thing boomers will ever do, is all die before they solve any of our problems, so keep blaming them on everything while you still have the chance.
Labour had quite a locked down immigration policy because it suppresses incomes, and National have opened it up a bit because they want to import cheap labour and don’t give a fuck about low income people.
But it’s still orders of magnitude less people coming in than European countries/UK.
Meanwhile NZ having real damn problems with emigration and low birth rates... Like yeah, sure, let the country just die out, but hey it's only us on our island at least (don't tell Maori guys we said that)
Brief-Luck-6254@reddit
Where does NZ gets its immigrants from? I know a lot of people from South America go there but mostly on temporary work visas, not to stay there.
Bobocannon@reddit
India.
kailethre@reddit
china and india, same as australia and canada
spikejonze14@reddit
from all over the world, but especially china, korea, and india. where i live in auckland its about 50% europeans ethnicities, 30% asian, 15% pacific islanders, 12% māori, 3% other.
Lukababineux@reddit
I know atleast 3 people in my life, who want to move to NZ, own a farm and live out a quite life.
goentillsundown@reddit
A farm costs well over a few million, the people you know are the rich or have champagne dreams
Dr_Axton@reddit
Gaben wants to move Valve software to NZ one day
BeginningTypical3395@reddit
It’s almost like they know what the country needs to survive
Dr_Axton@reddit
I’m not sure replacing your population with cheaper immigrants is exactly a good way though
BeginningTypical3395@reddit
I don’t remember the last time a guy named Abdul didn’t make/deliver my food, or drive my taxis around.
Napalm_am@reddit
Translation: I NEED my racial underclass of immigrants to DELIVER my sloperinos because paying a decent wage for locals to do it is le hecking alt right.
BeginningTypical3395@reddit
Half of them do blue collar jobs, the other half does white collar jobs
Black_Goku@reddit
Wouldn't paying them a decent wage be more 'woke' than alt right?
Lukababineux@reddit
Immigration is inevitable, you can't make ethnostate in today's world.
Unless you are a certain country.
MrCockingFinally@reddit
Japan, South Korea, Denmark, are all good examples.
Or you can go Singapore route of forced mixing and integration. The approach of we don't give a fuck what colour you are, just don't chew gum.
Taha2807@reddit
Japan and South Korea are definitely not good examples. They're basket case examples of rich countries without immigration unable to sustain their economies.
MrCockingFinally@reddit
Why can no other rich country avoid immigration though?
(Except Denmark)
Also, both Japan and SK have some of the most extreme anm toxic work and study cultures in the world.
Their low birthrate issue is literally self inflicted.
Of course, everyone's low birthrate issue is self inflicted.
Hanza-Malz@reddit
South Korea is on the brink of complete collapse. But sure, use them as a "well working example"
Judah_Earl@reddit
So it collapses, eventually it will rebuild and still be Korean.
FrozenFern@reddit
Exactly. Birth rates are recoverable via systemic changes in work culture/hours and incentives such as paid leave and subsidized daycare. Where as immigration permanently changes your people forever
Judah_Earl@reddit
Unfortunately, westerners have been buck-broken into putting economic 'prosperity' ahead of ethnic and cultural hegemony.
OldKittyGG@reddit
And how is that a bad thing? Unless you're striving to create the perfect Aryan Übermensch.
osugaxotas@reddit
I bet we can blame the radical left for this, somehow.
Hackeringerinho@reddit
Fear mongering lmao. You've watched too many YouTube videos.
Hanza-Malz@reddit
The fuck is fearmongering about the living scenario of people working 14 hour shifts and living in single room apartments?
Or the loneliness epidemic of Japan that dwarfs the "male loneliness epidemic" Americans keep yapping about?
Stop idolising SEA countries because of your yellow fever. They're not working examples. They're failing.
Hackeringerinho@reddit
I'm not idealizing nothing, but you should speak to real people instead of basing your whole ideas on some YouTube videos.
Hanza-Malz@reddit
You're basing your opinion on my knowledge on a lot of woowaa for someone who keeps advocating to inform themselves.
Hackeringerinho@reddit
Can you rephrase that? I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Hanza-Malz@reddit
No
Hackeringerinho@reddit
=))) ok
ninjaiffyuh@reddit
Btw: SEA stands for South East Asia, so Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, etc
Japan and Korea are in (North) East Asia
Hanza-Malz@reddit
You’re right
MrCockingFinally@reddit
It's a good example of an ethnostate.
The fact that the state is collapsing due to reasons unrelated to it being an ethnostate doesn't mean it's not a good example.
XimbalaHu3@reddit
The state is collapsing due to not attracting/allowing immigration, the U.S. also has remarkbly low birth rates but is nowhere near collapse because immigration keeps the ethary piramod base growing.
Even countries with good work/life balance have low fertility problens, ergo denmark and the nordic countries being bellow the replacement rate, on the short term, immigration is the only way to ofset low fertility rates.
solwaj@reddit
They can they just don't because there's nothing inherently fucking wrong with it like everyone's seemingly convinced there is
leastemployableman@reddit
The only people that benefit from mass immigration are the rich. All anyone is doing is putting a bunch of cultures who are fundamentally incompatible together and expecting them not to hate eachother after a decade. It's like having a house full of roommates with completely different views on how to cook/clean/socialize etc...
solwaj@reddit
>bunch of cultures who are fundamentally incompatible together
It would do magnitudes to improve your understanding to start conceptualizing of people as people. You say immigration only helps the rich and instead of acting out against the rich you buy into the exact neanderthal tribalist sentiment they're trying to sell you.
BobertRosserton@reddit
It’s such a joke considering America and most western nations were quite literally built and developed by early immigrants lmao. Like how crazy is it that an Italian American whose grandfather faced xenophobia and discrimination can now freely bitch and moan about immigrants coming to the country, it’s honestly beautiful in the most regarded way.
gman8686@reddit
Which makes me wonder why lefties aren't pissed about illegal immigration, and are completely brainwashed by the party to protest against immigration enforcement and policy that would help the working class. "Muh heckin' taco trucks!!" I guess.
FrozenFern@reddit
I was on a road trip with my family recently and we went to a state park. It was full of hundreds of Hispanics blasting music and barbecuing with trash everywhere. I commented on how it wasn’t like this 10 years ago and my sister said, “People want ethnic restaurants, but not ethnic people“ like a Manchurian candidate echoing propaganda. As if enjoying a taco truck requires your entire community to be over run by incompatible people. Ridiculous
Able_Ambition8908@reddit
And yet they’re good examples?? Are you stupid?
anti-gerbil@reddit
Other rich countries also have dogshit birthrates for native and every immigrants who comes in start getting similar birthrates one or two generations in. And rich countries usually have a lot of social benefits that can only be maintained by having more young than old people. You could try cutting off social security but this is gonna be really unpopular, especially with the old population who rely on it the most AND vote the most. Even if you completely remove that, having less people around just sucks in general for the economy and would led to a period of downturn that would spook most people. No country so far has figured out how to encourage people to fuck more, even though this is something that is happening across many different societies. So the easy short term solution to this demographic problem is to import new people, although it is far from being a perfect panacea.
Hackeringerinho@reddit
They are perfect examples of how robotization overcomes the need for low skilled migration.
They have a work culture problem.
Taha2807@reddit
Not everything can be 'robotized'. Japan has real deficiencies in healthcare, eldercare, education etc.
They've even started allowing small amounts of immigration from asian countries like Nepal to fix their shortage of Nurses.
Hackeringerinho@reddit
Because of the stigma of nurses not being as impressive as salarymen... This is global.
Taha2807@reddit
Yeah.... If everyone was free to choose what to do they'd be cool stuff like Doctors and astronauts. An economy still needs lower skill professions like Nurses, taxi drivers and garbagemen.
Especially since most people in developed countries go to college, they aren't even willing to do these jobs even if the comparative is unemployment.(Which is usually covered by unemployment benefits)
Western countries fix this by importing low skill labour but there's nobody wanting to do these jobs in Japan. Low skill does not mean not essential.
Hackeringerinho@reddit
Agree
BrunesOvrBrauns@reddit
Oh I thought that was the example he was showcasing of why it doesn't work...
Lukababineux@reddit
Slightly unrel but Denmark is ethnostate for 86% of Dane population and Sweden is Sudan for 81% swedish population.
Japan and South Korea are special cases with Asian brained closeness but they are getting primed for true globalization.
MrCockingFinally@reddit
Denmark at least recognized the existential threat posed by unregulated mass migration and put a stop to it. They didn't go so far as to mass deport people who were already there, but they at least aren't actively making the problem worse.
solwaj@reddit
the "problem": my cashier's name is Abdul
Obvious_Parsley3238@reddit
The problem
solwaj@reddit
Interesting graph. It seems to suggest that a) immigrants from more bombed and war torn, less educated countries contribute less in tax because they work in the less-paying, more fundamental services like gastronomy, construction or store staff, b) that the gap is more than covered by tax paid by the higher earning in-EU migration, and c) that paid tax is far from the only measure of contribution to a society because it's the somalis who make sure the grocery is full
FrozenFern@reddit
Yes let’s praise the Somalis for changing the way we check out groceries and ignore their billions of dollars in scamming systems in Minnesota. You just saw a graph that shows these immigrants are not economically beneficial to the west and your response was that “Europeans can subsidize them”. Why would a European logically pay taxes to subsidize their own demographic replacement?
solwaj@reddit
To reiterate what you've ignored while writing this reply, income and property tax paid are what this graph represents and are simply nowhere near an exhaustive measure to quantify something as vague as "economic benefit". The idea that the massive minimum wage working class somehow represents negligible contribution to the economy on account of them not outpaying their "cost" in a highly socialized capitalist economy is just blatantly misunderstanding at best and purposefully hostile at worst. You only like this graph because it puts the right people at the top and the right people at the bottom. You have no idea what it actually represents in the country it shows a thin slice of.
Obvious_Parsley3238@reddit
You're right, society never functioned without low-wage somali refugees.
solwaj@reddit
Local man discovers demographic, socioeconomic change
Obvious_Parsley3238@reddit
Change isn't always good.
solwaj@reddit
You're implying we had it better in the west when we were poorer and led generally worse lives? Got it.
Obvious_Parsley3238@reddit
You're right, the low wage somali refugees are responsible for the west's technological development.
solwaj@reddit
You're so close! They're exactly the consequence.
SchteveSchpalpatine@reddit
You're so close to getting the point lmao
frillblim@reddit
it isnt even like this is the problem , IND is quite high on that graph but they all still get shit on here.
people just hate people who dont look like them and its joekay
maggiemayfish@reddit
Truly the west has fallen
Lukababineux@reddit
Equating immigration with "Mass unregulated immigration"
The_Junton@reddit
yeah I don't think there's a country on earth that doesn't regulate immigration
No-Engineering-1449@reddit
For some reason instead of South Korea and Denmark, I read 'South Dakota'. I was rather confused about how it could be an ethnostate for 5 seconds.
woodzopwns@reddit
Singapore is the definition of replacement theory, they straight up have quotas of % of han Chinese to accept into universities
Brief-Luck-6254@reddit
Just go back to your boat once you're done okay?
Baron_Flatline@reddit
It’s almost like ethnostates are bad and immigration is a good thing socioculturally and economically.
Loathe_the_Hive@reddit
No saar
Dr_Axton@reddit
The glorious Kazakhstan?
leastemployableman@reddit
All other countries are run by little girls
Lukababineux@reddit
Not a fan of horse milk 🍼
Dr_Axton@reddit
How about a horse wife?
Happy_Ocelot_4945@reddit
Umapyoi!
Lukababineux@reddit
UnUmploi
secondcondary@reddit
South Sudan?
ilikecars2345678@reddit
North korea?
hairyballsinmybutt@reddit
Just remember, the worst thing boomers will ever do, is all die before they solve any of our problems, so keep blaming them on everything while you still have the chance.
Jimmie-Rustle12345@reddit
This isn’t even particularly accurate.
Labour had quite a locked down immigration policy because it suppresses incomes, and National have opened it up a bit because they want to import cheap labour and don’t give a fuck about low income people.
But it’s still orders of magnitude less people coming in than European countries/UK.
WeirdInteriorGuy@reddit
angus22proe@reddit
Stop moving to australia then
Rich-Interaction6920@reddit
NZ net immigration is not at record levels
Passance@reddit
Somebody's gotta replace all the talented kiwi graduates who are moving to aus so they can be paid above a poverty wage.
Onesharpman@reddit
It's hilarious that everyone supposedly hates America but that's where everyone moves lol
Lichevsky@reddit
Meanwhile NZ having real damn problems with emigration and low birth rates... Like yeah, sure, let the country just die out, but hey it's only us on our island at least (don't tell Maori guys we said that)
_CalculatedMistake_@reddit
4channer cares about the job market when he has a blank resume
Ducokapi@reddit
Anon realizes he has always been a replaceable gooner.
SpezIsAGayMfer@reddit
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit (OP)
lets watch come goon with me.