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J0hnnyBlazer@reddit

Damn Norway in the top lead? I didn’t know they had sun

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I'm not quite sure where the data is collected from. When checking the Norwegian statistics, it's about 1 death per 100k people a year. About 55 in 100k get that type of cancer. About 50% of the people who are diagnosed with this type of cancer are over 79 years.

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Snarknado3@reddit

Scandinavia still has a big tanning studio culture, that's why. elsewhere in europe, those have basically disappeared.

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thistlewitchery@reddit

That is one trend I am thankful never properly reached Finland. Yeah, we had some, but mostly people just slathered themselves with self-tanner because it was more accessible outside of actual cities

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sjedinjenoStanje@reddit

Although Norway is considerably worse than its neighbors...they always struck me as the most provincial of the Scandis so maybe that's it.

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J0hnnyBlazer@reddit

ohhhh, ya you right man, damn that's actually insane

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

The Canaries are packed with them.

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J0hnnyBlazer@reddit

True, the be in igloos all year the get toasted when they travel, makes sense

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z4j3b4nt@reddit

Most educated bosnian

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Akeleie@reddit

In my own experience I forget that we have sun, so I forget to wear sun screen when I should.

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J0hnnyBlazer@reddit

True, grew up in Sweden, after 6months of no sun you forget it exists

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biggreasyrhinos@reddit

They have money to go where there's sun. Rich bastards

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CategoryHungry6241@reddit

Because they're slavs and not native to the Mediterranean

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SafeCoconut573@reddit

we generally take bad care of our health and think sunscreen is for gay people and true croatians are not gay

so there you go, you get skin cancer but at least you are not "gay"

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biglbiglbigl@reddit

true croatians are not gay

what about true slovenians?

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BarskiPatzow@reddit

Probably Serbs and Croats living in Slovenia.

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SafeCoconut573@reddit

youre probably right

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SoundConfident3925@reddit

The fact that Slovakia has a similar problem completely explains who is who and where they from. And it is true that it's quite possible some of these people in Slovenia are Croats, but only because in recent years, many of the whites in Croatia (kajkavians) have largely emigrated from Slavonija ouf of Croatia replaced mostly with Turkish population.

Just stop calling yourself Slavic, ok.

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Automatic_Ad_3579@reddit

On what drugs are you son...give me to have little fun...kajkavians from Slavonia? 🤣

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treba_dzemper@reddit

Zapravo kajkavski dio Hrvatske se povijesno zvao Slavonija, a ovo što se danas zove Slavonija si je Slavonija pripojila, a zvalo se Panonija.

Hrvatska je, za hrvatskih kraljeva, bila ono što bi danas zvali središnja Dalmacija, te zapadni dijelovi Bosne i Hercegovine, dok se nije proširila na cijelu Dalmaciju, skoro cijelu Bosnu i Hercegovina (ali ne cijelu, Semberija i istočna Herecgeovina su bile Srbija sve do Kotromanića) i na kraju inkorporirala i tu tadašnju Slavoniju.

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hruschov@reddit

Most of them are. But they use olive oil instead of sun cream because natural

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pikzigmar@reddit

I'm a Slovenian and I endorse this message 😂

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nason54@reddit

Olive oil does not provide effective sun protection

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Stefanthro@reddit

gif

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elifaktastr@reddit

That is not the point at all.

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SnooObjections9061@reddit

But taste and crust

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hruschov@reddit

Hence the skin cancer.

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elifaktastr@reddit

I recently came accross a study as follows:

The trial group of mice was fed with healthy oils such as olive, coconut, butter etc. and the other group was given seed oils.

After a few weeks, both groups were exposed to UV light, seed oil-fed group developed skin cancer but the other group didn’t.

Then they fed the healthy oil group with industrial oils for some time and reexposed them to UV light. Surprisingly, they developed skin cancer, too.

Seed oil consumption definitely has an effect on cancer and related deaths.

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debela_zena@reddit

Didn’t know humans had mice organisms.

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elifaktastr@reddit

You probably also don’t know all approved drugs were once tested on mice and passed phase II studies, which were again, on mice. If it meant nothing, they wouldn’t have proceeded to phase III and granted approval later.

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Fast_potato_indeed@reddit

Just a humble correction.

The studies on mice are called preclinical studies.

Phase I-II-IIIs are clinical studies hence conducted on humans.

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elifaktastr@reddit

Thank you, I misphrased it. Animal phase is the second step after in vitro studies.

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

We do. That’s why they’re used for studies.

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elifaktastr@reddit

So it is not all about suncream.

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PavelKringa55@reddit

not so sure about them, as a Croatian, I mean

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Malecord@reddit

slovenians take bad care of their health and think sunscreen is for etero people and true slovenians are gay

so there you go, you get skin cancer but at least you are not etero.

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Reasonable-Class3728@reddit

Femboy ≠ Gay

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Thefelix01@reddit

Dead people aren't gay anymore so they may have a point.

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RaulRene@reddit

Sunscreen = gay is typical in all balkans. Romanians prefer to oil themsevles with spv 10 oil that burn their skin more than it protects from the sun.

But I guess Croatia has a lot more sun and good weather and seaside so they get exposed more

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JRJenss@reddit

This. It is typical balkan but as you noticed, not all parts of it have the same climate. Thankfully this attitude is changing among the younger generations, but my dad for example has never used sunscreen unless my mom really insisted...often almost to a point of a fight breaking out between them over such a dumb thing. He's in his 60s now and nothing has changed, even tho we're all pressuring him to take care of himself. To make matters worse, our entire family is from the north, none of us can get proper tan. We all burn in 10 minutes without protection and I clearly remember him being red as a shrimp every time we'd go to Dalmatia on a family vacay when my sister and I were younger. The dude even pretends it doesn't hurt ("as a real man"), although it's obvious he's in an excruciating pain

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elifaktastr@reddit

The same in Turkiye but the death rate is one pf the lowest.

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debela_zena@reddit

Guess why 👨🏾👨🏾‍🦱👱🏾👩🏾

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Brodyaga05@reddit

My Greek grandpa said sunscreen is for women and gay men

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flooferine@reddit

Another very gay thing that croatians don't do is going to the doctor whenever something different than usual is happening, because preventative or early-detection health check-ups are gayer than butt sex apparently.

True croatians just ignore it until it becomes a catastrophically bad issue, then rush to the emergency room for something that would have been a simple clinical issue 5-10 years prior. They also must complain about the 40 minute wait in the emergency room for 3-5 business days, otherwise they lose their croatian citizenship.

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

Peak Balkan mentality.

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Klutzy-Bluebird3701@reddit

Real men TM die young and suffer for no reason

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fivehourworkweek@reddit

i call it survival of the fittest

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EastIvan@reddit

because they are the only white people in the entire Mediterranean and they don't tolerate the strong sun well. 👋

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TwentinQuarantino@reddit

Why Slovenia then tho?

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littledollyaa@reddit

lol

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matos4df@reddit

While this read as a joke - it's truer than it should be.

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Poglavnik_Majmuna01@reddit

I am littered with moles precisely because of this mindset as a child.

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Golday_ALB@reddit

Its the same in Albania. I guess we get a bit more sun and are a bit more used to it. In the beach we always use sunscreen tho

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Citaku357@reddit

In the beach we always use sunscreen tho

That's because we are gay /s

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gljivicad@reddit

Pair that with extremely strong sun in Dalmatia and it’s over

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belgranita@reddit

Overuse of sunglasses?

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Anxious_Lake_5566@reddit

These are very white Slavic people in constant sun. That’s why. The average prevalence of blue eyes is 25%. The non white population of Croatia is maybe 0.2 %. It’s one of the whitest populations of Europe where 91% of population is Croat, and the rest is almost entirely white. That’s why. The average Brit gets one sunburn a year in Mallorca. It’s as simple as that

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foreverpasta@reddit

Match it with vaccination rates. And there's your answer.

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

Match it with vaccination rates. And there's your answer.

https://i.redd.it/p8s35nadd8vg1.gif

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Nordlysss@reddit

I feel weird for being Slovenian wearing SPF every day.

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Hopeful_Bite3518@reddit

We smoke

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dario-lazic@reddit

because of alcohol, 14 days of vacation a year are exchanged for 14 days of getting drunk and sleeping on the beach

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Candid-Material8253@reddit

Because they spray chemicals over us every single day 🤣

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19SlimShady90@reddit

Because we apply a lot of sunscreen and wear sunglasses at every opportunity.

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Forward-Rub-8187@reddit

Maybe because Cro and Slo report better the incidence of melanoma? I would assume the prevalence is the same accross West Adriatic coast, but that Bosnia and Montenegro are not reporting sufficiently well as they are not part of the EU statistics or lck the ressources to do so, hence the “lower” incidence.

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Defiant-Strength2010@reddit

you think that when people die at 50 from skin cancer in Montenegro the doctors just shrug their shoulders and write it up as a natural death?

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Spiritual_Trouble_14@reddit

It wouldn't surprise me. Their health system doesn't seem to be fantastic imo

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Forward-Rub-8187@reddit

No I meant that it metastatises and then you die from methastasis or complication from a methastasis (Lungemoblism, Thrombosis of any kind) and that Melanoma goes unnoticed or not clearly marked. Melanoma is not only on the visible skin, it can also be on the head under hair, Iris of the eye or in internal organs like Brain, all struxtures that derive from the ectodermal plate which gave rise to skin And skin derived organs (yes brain has same embryonic origin as skin).

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Defiant-Strength2010@reddit

That seems plausible, but it might be just darker skin that tans better. That is the general pattern that we can see on the rest of the map too, countries with more sun get less skin cancer because of higher melanin.

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Forward-Rub-8187@reddit

One very important aspct is that there is a regular melanoma check up from the age 35 paid by the health insurance in Germany and I would assume the rich countries in the north. That is why melanoma is very fast detected and suspectful moles as well. Maybe there is something similar in Croatia, or people are just so obnoxiously negative and pessimistic that they would not believe that Croatia and Slovenia have a good preventative healthcare system

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Defiant-Strength2010@reddit

These are skin cancer death rates, not melanoma rates. I have no problem accepting that a part of it can be explained with better reporting, but the pattern that we see in greece, italy, spain and portugal, points to melanin as a better explanation. And the population of Slovenia in particular is significantly whiter than the rest of the adriatic coast.

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ILikeTujtels@reddit

I think thar is the case here.

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MapResponsible6057@reddit

It's not just the lack of sunscreen and UV exposure, but because many people fail to identify possible melanoma before it's too late.

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Mashinekalibar123@reddit

Slovenes and Croats are much lighter than other mediterians. Even Serbs are much whiter than whitest italians, spanish, albanians and greeks

Also it could be that they are obssesed with tanning which is case with Serbia

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Lumpazy@reddit

looking at this map skin cancer and average sun exposure seem not to correlate. draw a line through greece vs denmark.

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Even-Degree-4589@reddit

No suunscreen

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RevolutionaryEnd8760@reddit

We hate son. I do at least.. always avoid iz by default.. i also wear my sunglasses at night 🤣

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jvb2989@reddit

probably because they are slavs with very little mediterranean dna? Bosnia, Montenegro, Kosovo and Albania are all a bit more mixed with Turks I guess?

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NoSync22@reddit

Would be interesting to see a regional geographical breakdown. I suspect many are people from inland areas who should get rid of their seaside obsession or at the very least use sunscreen.

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WooddieBone@reddit

Have you seen our coast?

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SorbetEfficient6035@reddit

Because they are originally not from the region genetically. Slavic speaking migrations centuries ago from colder regions in Europe. They are not genetically adapted to withstand sunnier climate. It’s the same thing with Israel. A bunch of Eastern Europeans in the Mediterranean.

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0Zaseka0@reddit

White skin + vacation culture + ppl don't use sunscreen. My dad has been fighting skin cancer for almost 30y now, eg it keeps popping up on different spots, especially face and back. His nose is eaten up from all the treatments..it's horrible. People plz, wear sunsreen and hats ffs. If you tan, it's already skin damage.

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Slkotova@reddit

Im surprised by the brits not being also on the top. Every brit I've seen on the seasides of Bulgaria and Greece looked like skin cancer will be diagnoses right after the vacation. They are so white and those sunburns look so painfull.

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Gramerdim@reddit

brits in bulgaria? first I'm hearing of it. usually they f off to spain or portugal in the mildest weather inconvenience (it drizzled for 5 minutes and the temperature was 10°C)

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Free-Celebration4562@reddit

I live in the UK. They might be burned once a year for a week but literally there is no sun the rest of the year. I would guess that’s overall less sun exposure than Mediterraneans who walk and work under the sun (sunscreen or not) continuously for 5+ months and also get sun in the winter too.

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Slkotova@reddit

Im no specialist but I guess getting gradually darker (tan) is better than those full blast sunburns. I myself start getting tan as early as the spring (face, neck, hands, legs) when the sun is kinda okay. The summers are getting pure hell recently and if you are as pale as brits are and go on vacation under this hellish sun, I think is worse for the skin.

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Free-Celebration4562@reddit

That’s mostly a myth I’m afraid. At the very best, this practice can offer an 8 SPF protection on your skin for the summer. Actual protection starts from 30 SPF which means you are still fully unprotected with gradual tanning.

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Slkotova@reddit

8 SPF is a good start, please, dont ruine it for me, I've been living peacefully under the sun until this thread came up.

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Free-Celebration4562@reddit

Safety first! I know very well how tedious it can become to reapply sunscreen every few hours but cancer is a bitch. Saying this with love ♥️

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debela_zena@reddit

It’s bad to gradually tan too. Skin tanning is a method of defense of one’s organism due to reciving enogh UV exposure to cause DNA damage. Reciving small doses that are tolerable and won’t start the decay of DNA in skin cells won’t cause tanning.

Though, by this defense system, you are right, additional sun exposure to a skin that has already started to adjust to the bad environment should be less harmful than new sun exposure to “raw” (untanned) skin.

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technotronica@reddit

It's the accumulative exposure over time that is dangerous. No matter if you get burned or tanned. It's like with any other ionizing radiation. That's one of the reasons why I stopped tanning all together. Love being super white during summer...its sexy. Being tanned is not "exotic" anymore with the current demographics in Europe. I use SPF 50 all over and embrace my whiteness.

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RijnBrugge@reddit

It’s always bad but yes sunburn is extremely dangerous and most people in northern europe don’t really think it is

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Objective-Basil-5396@reddit

Some British have a very dense collagen while other have a lot of fatty/oily texture with some full of cholesterol which is protective.

Croatia and Slovenia are mostly Slavic with a lot lesser density of collagen and fatty protective layers, so it's esiser to get it.

Same with me, if I go burn on the sun in 2 days I'm black as Napolitan and get neon since my skin is Slavic and lacks the oily fatty layer that others have, plus my collagen is quite weak, especially skin vs uvb radiation.

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Fubardir@reddit

They die of alcohol poisoning before cancer gets them.

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BoratSagdieev@reddit

But back home there is almost no sun at all so maybe jt balances?

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ephesusa@reddit

It’s not different for norweigans though

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ayayasanti@reddit

We get UV rays in the 8s and 9s during winter due to snow reflection though

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Many_Mud_8194@reddit

I'm Spanish and Algerian origins and the only time I got a sunburn in Europe was in the Alps while skying lol. Its insane how it can be strong without noticing it

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Happy-Hour88@reddit

I got more sunburns during summer in Prague than in Sofia, Bulgaria. The air there is cleaner (so no pollution screen) and the lack of trees lining most streets I suppose.

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P-l-Staker@reddit

👆

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mbensa@reddit

You must distinguishe the difference between pale skin type and skin pale because of illness.

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hipokampa@reddit

I'm surprised most people are so susceptible to seleaction bias. Most brits are in Britain.

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Slkotova@reddit

What?

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Confident-Evening-49@reddit

No joke, I've seen tourists skip the red phase entirely and go straight to purple.

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Citaku357@reddit

Isn't that dangerous?

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Unhappy_Performer538@reddit

Yes definitely

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

https://i.redd.it/mirykdrmowug1.gif

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Gramerdim@reddit

r/adressme

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Sectorgovernor@reddit

Hungary is slso pretty bad 🤔

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

I thought that was Slovakia.

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Sectorgovernor@reddit

Hungary is also orange

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vinmaskinen@reddit

Would be interesting to do a map of which countries buy the most sunscreen

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Turbulent-Ad1123@reddit

Because slavs have fairer skins duh, they arrived in 7th century in the sunny Balkans. Human body takes way more to adapt evolutionswise

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ete_indien@reddit

Except for norway, all of the countries that are red or orange flood the Croatian coastline in the summer.

The sun must shine differently here

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falcone1234@reddit

Mofos don't care for sunscreen

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RichKidsOfCroatia@reddit

We are at the beach alot and smoke alot. But wtf is Norway's excuse?

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

Gran Canaria.

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ziiggaa@reddit

vegeta

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Content-Schedule1796@reddit

Cause the people here are primitive and stubborn. Also, our healthcare is slow as fuck even if you're in a dire need of oncological treatment.

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Savings-Internet-864@reddit

R1a R1b

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Federal-Routine7619@reddit

Because they are Balkan, not Mediterranean

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trippy_toads@reddit

I once got called pussy

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grgech@reddit

Croat here.

Reason is probably as following: I am proud to answer every "did you put on a sunscreen?" question with one "Yes, of course, last year!"

We just don't care about it and are sunbathing all day long all summer long.

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Downtown-Inevitable2@reddit

More slavic than indigenous balkan genes

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Fast_Advantage_9790@reddit

Dalmatia is definitely not more Slavic but I’d say it could be true for people from the north vacationing on the coast. Also, better detection costs.

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CamelAmbitious7425@reddit

Dalmatians also have more Slavic than Paleo Balkan genes. All South Slavs except for Bulgarians and North Macedonians are genetically more Slavic than Paleo Balkan.

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Fast_Advantage_9790@reddit

I don’t know about percentages but I’m pretty sure Dalmatians and Montenegrins are very similar genetically, yet we don’t get a big incidence. Could be detection, but my theory is that Adriatic Coast Slavs get more gradual exposure starting in spring and have no need to roast themselves in the summer in the span of a week, unlike the people from the inland.

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phariom@reddit

Dalmatians are generally closer to Bosnians genetically than Montenegrins.

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Fast_Advantage_9790@reddit

Not really. The axis of Dalmatia, Herzegovina and Montenegro, the Dinaric Alps make up a single genetically distinct population with tall stature and a Dinaric look.

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phariom@reddit

Yes really. Dalmatians are autosomally more similar to Bosnians than to Montenegrins. Physical appearance is not an accurate indicator of genetic similarity, at least in Europeans who are genetically all quite similar all things considered.

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CamelAmbitious7425@reddit

Yes Dalmatians and coastal Montenegrins get more gradual exposure to the sun but they are also naturally darker on average. I know some Dalmatians with natural Olive Brown skin. They look tanned even in Winter.

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garfielsTits@reddit

stupidity

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AFKE0@reddit

Very interesting map. Somewhat inverse of what I expected.

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low-sikeliot-9062@reddit

Really? it is about as i would have expected

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AFKE0@reddit

I mean, where the sun is more intense, there would be more sun related complications. In the north, there is less sun and people usually dress more thickly, so I assumed there would be less sun related disease. Maybe they neglect their sun protection because they assume they are in the north, so they should be fine...

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Zanzotz@reddit

To quote a croatian friend when asked if she used sunscreen while tanning every day: "I don't care about skin wrinkles as long as I get married first. Then it's my husband's problem"

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El-brunNoctis@reddit

Cause we are treating everything with cabbage and rakhia

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Roufianos255@reddit

Well just a wild guess, but aren't many Croatian people pale?

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Important-Stop-3680@reddit

My mom had skin cancer (thankfully caught in time and after a few surgeries she was fine), and yes, she’s a blonde blue eyed woman living in the intense Croatian sun.

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Roufianos255@reddit

Ah man, glad they caught it early. Even as a swarthy Greek islander it scares the shit out of me given how quick it spreads.

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Rumbling_Butterfly1@reddit

My friend don't underestimate the sun. I have a friend and her family comes from Leros. Skin cancer runs in her family and her father has skin cancer precisely because he didn't give two flips in the bottle about the sun. And she tries to avoid the sun as much as can.

Don't be reckless and protect yourself.

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Important-Stop-3680@reddit

Even as a swarthy Greek, please check your moles and skin regularly. We learned it the hard way, but I beg all my friends to see their dermatologists regularly after my family’s situation. Gotta stay safe!

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

Here’s to 100 more healthy years for her! 🥂❤️

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Important-Stop-3680@reddit

Thank you 💙🥂

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gljivicad@reddit

Not the ones at the seaside, like Dalmatia. They are perma roasted by sun in summer

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HrbiTheKhajiit@reddit

We arent that dark here tho, we on avarage get a bit tanner skin, but still most people id say are relativly lighter skinned, especially comparing to italy. Also a lot of people on the coast arent generationally from the coast

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gljivicad@reddit

The family that used to rent us rooms in Tučepi were very tanned all the time. It’s obvious that inherently they are white, but the sun does its job.

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HrbiTheKhajiit@reddit

It can be a bit decieving, some people are actually tanned all year do to mixing of genetics with other ethnicities, especially ive seen a lot with roma, but in general from day to day in split 70-80% of people are a medium white toward pale white, not tanned

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gljivicad@reddit

The woman was very tanned, you can tell by the tan lines from her shirts. She’d work hospitality in a restaurant all summer in short sleeves.

The man was super, super tanned, he worked all summer in the extreme sun in Gornji Tučepi on their private family house. He was straight up dark brown, and his skin had very visible aging due to sun.

Their son, also a hospitality worker that was tanned during summer.

They weren’t Roma, they were 100% Dalmatian from the region

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HrbiTheKhajiit@reddit

Well yeah but thats when we are talkimg about summer. When we get tanned is when we develop skin cancer possibly, our natural tan is something more like you see in winter. Which is similar to most people id see from bosnia, because over winter ofcourse there isnt as much sun. Also noone uses sun block. But i too get super dark even tho im "medium" white, like not fully pale. But i can see a huge differance from the top of my thigh and my arms for example, due to them being covered unlike my arms

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Similar-Speech2371@reddit

Yeah but probably the statistics take into consideration the whole country, Slovenia and Croatia have a lot of blondish people, match that with culture of sun sun sun but no suncream and u get the result. Similar to Australia, they have a big chunk of population that are basically blonde-blue eyed British .... and 24243 UV index LoL

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ddeads@reddit

I'm first generation Croatian-American living in Miami and I get darker than many of my Latino friends.

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Diermeech@reddit

Average Croatian arm in the summer

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fat-wombat@reddit

I came here to say this. Yeah, I know, there’s variance within Croatia but let’s be honest, that variance in Greece is skewed a bit darker.

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OkWorld4800@reddit

Cant generalise. There are a few different phenotypes occurring in Croatia.

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elifaktastr@reddit

I recently came accross a study as follows:

The trial group of mice was fed with healthy oils such as olive, coconut, butter etc. and the other groıp was given seed oils.

After a few weeks, both groups were exposed to UV light, seed oil-fed group developed skin cancer but the other group didn’t.

Then they fed the healthy oil groıp with industrial oils for some time and reexposed them to UV light. Surprisingly, they developed skin cancer, too.

Diet and consumption of seed oil definitely have an effect on the death rate from cancer.

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

Very interesting! Where can I find the study?

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elifaktastr@reddit

Might be this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/s/YJABCrK5rC

I have read thousands of papers due to my husband’s diagnosis and am really not sure where I saw it.

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

Thank you! I hope your husband is doing better btw ❤️

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Dan13l_N@reddit

Because getting the tan is "healthy". Also, if you're male, you don't need need sunscreen, you just need beer.

BTW a lot of people from Croatia and Slovenia are light skinned, pale eyes and so.

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Fast_Advantage_9790@reddit

To be honest it might just be detection methods and culture.

As a Montenegrin there is no difference in our sun culture compared to Dalmatian Croats. Yet the incidence seems low and North Macedonia which gets both less sun and less beach culture is significant my higher.

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Dan13l_N@reddit

\^ this

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Striking_Company9486@reddit

I suspect it's because these maps are pulled out of someones ass. I don't know anybody with skin cancer and I live in Slovenia and Croatia.

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u250406@reddit

Since covid i learned many people believe subscreen causes skin cancer and/or is toxic. The map is interesting though, seems like there is a whole time zone that falls in this category.

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Froggo32@reddit

A real man in Croatia would rather die like a man than live with some creme on our skin.

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Big-Vegetable4550@reddit

May be a question of competition with other cancers. Hard to die of skin cancer when you've expired from lung cancer after smoking like a chimney your whole life.

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morbihann@reddit

Use sunscreen people. It isn't manly to burn.

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Vank4o@reddit

I'm surprised, that we are not higher on the list. My cousin, his other cousins, his dad etc think that sunscreen is for weaklings, even though they are covered in moles.

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TheVoidIsBees@reddit

My dad's the same. I think they just don't get checked out, that's the reason. Or we're very very lucky

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morbihann@reddit

I bet that will show that giant fusion explosion in our sky who is the boss.

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max_kotovsky@reddit

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Working_Leg_2280@reddit

More interesting question: Why does Israel have such a high rate compared to their neighbours. They ARE native to the region, right? RIGHT?

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Saphan24@reddit

We try to get natural protection by getting darker (burned) first. It's a process... white -> red -> brown; and every true Balkan person has to do it.

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emrakk@reddit

too blonde an too slav to be in a sunny mediterranean country

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mihai2me@reddit

A croatian fling I had would spened most summers on nudist beaches and act like suncream is full of toxins. So yeah...

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ComprehensiveEar680@reddit

Chernobyl disaster

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Training_Shine_111@reddit

white people act weird around the sun.

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FewZookeepergame5825@reddit

Check out suicide rate as well

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Kutabare-Pepoto@reddit

ugly slavic genes

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True-Blacksmith4235@reddit

I think this is concerning for Serbia as well, considering we are landlocked

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drunkguyfrommunich@reddit

More "eastern slavic" phenotypes in combination with intense sun.

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ZAMAHACHU@reddit

And reluctance to use sunscreen.

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Fruloops@reddit

I think this is changing drastically, however, so hopefully it improves in the future.

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ZAMAHACHU@reddit

Unfortunately, homo balkanicus prefers olive oil as it's natural. Doesn't matter that it only protects in their fantasies.

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auroralemonboi8@reddit

We use yogurt to treat sunburns lol

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ZAMAHACHU@reddit

Yeah, that's after the olive oil

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ActuallyLauron@reddit

Look at a bottle of olive oil, small sip of rakija, one glass of coke and all bodily ailments are gone. Or so my grandma used to say.

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kerelberel@reddit

I have seen people applying olive oil, which does not protect against UV radiation..

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zara_anwar@reddit

They're white

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

https://i.redd.it/s35xannkvxug1.gif

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low-sikeliot-9062@reddit

Why is it lower in Bosnia compared to Croatia?

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saddinosour@reddit

Bosnians are darker in my experience

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low-sikeliot-9062@reddit

could be but the Bosnians i've seen irl have also been lighter than the Serbs (also a non coastal nation, unlike Croatia) i have seen

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Designer-Feed6319@reddit

Everyone talks about the sun this, the sun that. But in general anything cancer related can be linked to the Chernobyl disaster. You can even see how the cloud moved on that map. The DNA of people has been "infected" and it is passed down generations. This opened the doors for other cancer types to come in uninvited.

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HrbiTheKhajiit@reddit

Because we are all light skinned unlike south italy, most people dont do any skincare AND THE SUN IS FUCKING HOT here. Literally april here right now on the coastline and we are allready dressed for summer. Also might be a lot of cases of older people from villages who worked on farms through childhood, and unlike bosnia we are much more sunny

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LetterheadFlaky6574@reddit

In Spain is very cultural to hide from the sun, sleep in midday and if you go to the beach to it at 5pm. Also to use hats and cream.

If you are from a sunny country and do not take care in hiding from it you are ultra fucked

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DifficultWill4@reddit

Eastern European (Slavic) DNA prevails causing lighter skin features compared to other Mediterranean folks. Also everyone wants to get a tan and refuses to wear sunscreen

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Antique_Birthday6380@reddit

I’m not sure, but in Albania people don’t usually go out in the peak heat unless they really have an reason to. Maybe Slovenians and Croatians aren’t like that.

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

I’m not sure, but in Albania people don’t usually go out in the peak heat unless they really have an reason to. Maybe Slovenians and Croatians aren’t like that.

Frrrr, I wasn’t allowed to stay in the sun at all between 12.30 & 16.30 as a child. 😂

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SnooObjections9061@reddit

When I was I child, whole summer we were outside, mostly in swim trunks and without sunscreen with burnt hair and skin color like we are mulatto. And now you are full of moles and some gets skin cancer.

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hosiki@reddit

Idk about others but my grandma used to put oil on my skin so I can burn faster in the sun when I spent summers on Hvar with her. I was 7.

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Sunbee_Peanut@reddit

Vir podatkov?

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captain-lowrider@reddit

are you ok NORWAY??

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shovepiggyshove_@reddit

Culture/mentality. Often you'll see old people in the garden or at fields in high noon and +35C . Many people gloat when they go to work sick and don't take days off. Stuff like that. Weird af

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Remote_Succotash@reddit

They spend too much time in the sun, or they simply have more accurate statistics than other countries.

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Additional-Gur7915@reddit

I bet it's more accurate statistics.

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Additional-Gur7915@reddit

I believe they have a better health system and smarter people who actually go to the doctors.

E.g. in Kosove, most people who have skin cancer might never know it. And when they do, nobody really keeps score. The statistics are shit.

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casual_philosopher02@reddit

their moms dont yell KIIIIIIIIIIIIDS SUNSCREEN when little, that's why

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mahi3ds@reddit

i think women are 10x more likely to use any type of sun protection than men. my mom would always drench us and herself in sunscreen and all my girl friends use it everyday no matter if they like to tan or not. it's just a thing about sunscreen being gay for men. also as we have a large older generation who didn't use sunscreen in childhood and still don't, they are always the tannest in the summer and i would guess they're the biggest percentage of this statistic.

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casual_philosopher02@reddit

my dad tries to use it but he hates the texture so much, we bought him the spray ones that are supposed to be like water even🤣 we get used to it because we women also always use moisturisers I think

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

their moms dont yell KIIIIIIIIIIIIDS SUNSCREEN when little, that's why

I have PTSD bc of that 😭

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casual_philosopher02@reddit

I see in my nightmares that I have to stop playing mermaids to put spf on....

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RedLemonSlice@reddit

SPF 50+ is your friend

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trisul-108@reddit

Light skin, high UV exposure in sports and "vacation culture" coupled with early detection. Sunburns in childhood are very frequent and that leads to complications in later life.

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

Wouldn’t early detection actually lower the rate of cancer deaths?

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trisul-108@reddit

Good point, I was going from the title "high prevalence of & death". Early detection should strongly increase prevalence stats, but decrease death stats.

Nevertheless, undetected melanoma can also cause death nominally attributed to other causes e.g. respiratory failure, organ failure, infections etc.

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sqjam@reddit

THIS!

Maybe early detection is also one of the factors.

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perverteconomist@reddit

They are Mediterranean now?

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

Uhm yes?

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perverteconomist@reddit

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Familiar-Custard-216@reddit

Idk why they are , compared to a country like Bulgaria.

My first guess would be how deaths are counted, since it doesn’t make sense for example that Armenia is that different from its neighbours

Maybe some countries have better screening and treatment process than others

Maybe it was just the ottomans and 500 years in Bulgaria caused the difference

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Substratas@reddit (OP)

Isn’t Armenia way sunnier and at a much higher elevation (thinner air, less natural protection) than Azerbaijan & Georgia?

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NimrodvanHall@reddit

I know for the Dutch it is their tendency to take vacations in sunny countries and bake in the sun till they have golden brown skin and yellow sun bleached hair.

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darksugarfairy@reddit

People talk about ethnicity and characteristics of people, but also forget that climate changed over the last few decades drastically. Summers are waaay hotter than they used to be. When I was a kid, my parents would not let me go outside in the middle of the day because it was too hot and i could get a heatstroke... at 33 or 34 degrees. Now, that's normal temperature and we go up to around 40 regularly. It's burning hot from early morning until sunset but people think they're going to be alright if they just use spf 30, only when they remember to put it on and think that's enough

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