What do you think happened to Admiral Satie after that kangaroo court trial? You know word had to get out on her

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displacedbitminer@reddit

Admirals don't get punished like every other rank does. They get retired.

Now if there were enlisted to blame and send to space jail, there's the ticket.

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kidney-displacer@reddit

Iirc wasn't she brought out of retirement for this? So back to retirement, just with the weight of what she's done

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Yeah, this. Her reputation was ruined, but she didn't exactly break any laws. So her reputation is ruined and no-one will ever take her seriously again. So all she can really do is shuffle off and go live quietly in one of those wilderness cabins that ex-Starfleet officers tend to get lost in post-retirement.

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ericsonofbruce@reddit

probably for the best all things considered. unless she was really committed to humiliating that young enlistee for lying about vulkan instead of romulan.

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Large_Jeweler7944@reddit

Methinks the punishment for Crewman Tarses might not be as severe as being drummed out.

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Throdio@reddit

I could see Picard stick up for him and allow him to stay on the Enterprise and give him a chance to build his reputation back up. Much like he did for Ensign Sito.

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EvernightStrangely@reddit

I mean he wasn't objectively wrong to lie. If Starfleet knew about his Romulan heritage you can bet your ass Command would never let him near the Enterprise, in fear that he would pass off classified Intel to the Romulans.

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ericsonofbruce@reddit

Taking him in does give credibiltyto federation values though. I always felt it was a bit damning for the federation that tarses felt compelled to lie in the first place

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Rich-Picture-7420@reddit

Especially when Worf is allowed in as a member of a belligerent species.

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Gorbachev86@reddit

Sorry, WTAF? Worf was a Federations citizen and the Klingons had been allies for half a century by the time he signed up

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Rich-Picture-7420@reddit

The Klingons were at peace not allied with the federation, a period of non beligerence that later turned into open war, the Khitomer accords were a peace treaty not an alliance.

Simon Tarsis was also a Federation citizen and the Romulans were not in open warfare with the federation.

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Leucurus@reddit

I agree, but remember that Worf didn't lie on his application.

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Rich-Picture-7420@reddit

Right, because he wasn't required too.

I bet he could get away with it though, he commits Premeditated Murder against Duras and gets a slap on the wrists meanwhile poor Simon who lies gets a trial.

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shakebakelizard@reddit

Starfleet / Federation has no jurisdiction over Klingon citizens. Imagine you travelled to a star system 30 ly away and killed an alien in a duel to settle a dispute. You came back to Earth and everyone knows about it. What are they going to charge you with? Who's the complainant?

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Rich-Picture-7420@reddit

Worf is a Federation citizen and serviceman, the charge is Conduct unbecoming an officer at a minimum, the complainant is the federation, even if the klingons allow honor killings (premeditated murder) and waive charges his own service is required to charge him.

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shakebakelizard@reddit

Maybe. Worf and the Klingon High Council would probably both say he was just following the Klingon legal system as it's laid out for them.

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Rich-Picture-7420@reddit

Yeah I already allowed for that, it doesn't change the fact the federation should be prosecuting him, Picard even knows it, giving him a formal reprimand (the slap on the wrists)

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shakebakelizard@reddit

Maybe they came up with a way to deal with citizens getting involved in wildly differing legal processes outside of Federation territory. With the same idea, what if an Orion were to become a Federation citizen, then went back to visit relatives and ended up involved in Syndicate operations (but only in areas of Orion territory) then came back to the Federation?

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Rich-Picture-7420@reddit

Think about it this way a US soldier is stationed in a foreign country, he goes on leave and kills someone, his own army should punish him even of the locals decide not to, even off duty he is a representative of his nation and must uphold their laws.

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EvernightStrangely@reddit

The peace with the Romulans is also uneasy, and just in the TNG series there's quite a few episodes where the Romulans antagonize the Federation abd violate the Neutral Zone. Galorndon Core and the two capacity Romulan craft that the Romulans initially claimed only held one, for instance.

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Optimaximal@reddit

Someone wasn't paying attention...

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rubyonix@reddit

Ensign Sito was almost expelled from Starfleet Academy, but NOT expelled (because Locarno fell on his sword to protect the rest of them). And then after graduation, Picard picked her for the Enterprise because he wanted to make sure she was given a fair chance, and didn't get bullied by some other Captain/crew.

Crewman Tarses seemed to imply that his career in Starfleet was finished, because it was discovered that he lied on his application, which was a minor crime, but a crime nonetheless. His Starfleet application is probably void. It's likely similar to when Bashir got outed as genetically enhanced, where Bashir says there's going to be a trial, and then he'll be found guilty (because he IS guilty), and then he'll be kicked out of Starfleet. And the only way to avoid that is to resign before the trial. If he resigns, there's no trial, and no guilty verdict.

Bashir got out of it because Sisko talked to the Judge Advocate General, and they negotiated a plea bargain, where Bashir's dad pleads guilty and goes straight to prison for two years, with no trial, and in exchange the charges against Bashir get dropped.

So it's possible that Picard could have talked to the JAG and negotiated some way for Tarses to stay in Starfleet, especially if Picard got the Head of Starfleet Security (the guy who walked out of the trial) to help out in trying to save the kid whose career retired Admiral Satie obviously ruined. Some sort of plea bargain where maybe Tarses does a month in jail and then gets to come back to Starfleet.

But if Picard can't get Starfleet to drop the charges against Tarsus, there's nothing he can do for the kid, besides give him a job on the Picard Vineyard.

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47of74@reddit

In the pre-Coda (the Star Trek version of the Legends continuity) EU, Tarses was suspended for several months for this crime but then allowed to return to duty. Picard recommended him for Starfleet Academy and he became an officer after graduating from there. He went on to become a full MD and served as a CMO on a starship.

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shakebakelizard@reddit

I'm not an expert on the Starfleet justice system, but in reality I think it would probably go like this:

1) If it were just a regular trial, they probably would have put him on inactive reserve duty or something. He would likely be called back up during the Dominion War, when they needed everyone they could get. If not Reserve List, he might end up working at some supply depot doing something boring where he absolutely doesn't have access to classified material, at all.

2) After the Satie debacle, the charges and everything are probably dropped. The wild witch hunt would have served to discredit the Starfleet military tribunal system, so they really had a huge incentive to keep everything quiet. Satie probably went back into retirement and everyone just understood that they weren't supposed to talk about it. Don't let it happen again, but don't make it a public thing either.

3) Tarsus likely got off with a very minor slap on the wrist and Starfleet just said, "Yeah, you're a quarter Vulcan. Whatever." He won't be making admiral anytime soon, but he could definitely move up to NCO. They probably didn't want to make a big deal out of it, because it's a big can of worms, and Tarsus sure as hell isn't saying anything.

4) So basically, because Satie tainted the trial and it went off the rails...likely everyone more or less packed up, went home and agreed not to talk about it.

5) Unfortunately for J'Dan, he probably got horribly executed by the Klingons for espionage and treason.

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damageddude@reddit

Wasn't Saavik of Spock's Enterprise (no bloody A, B, C or D) part Romulan?

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Silenceisgrey@reddit

You hit that pun on the head

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ericsonofbruce@reddit

i would hope that startfleet wouldn't do anything less than dismiss all charges and expunge the incident from his record

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tsukiyomi01@reddit

For what it's worth, in the novels he receives a brief suspension but is then allowed to enroll at Starfleet Academy, and later becomes a doctor on DS9.

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ericsonofbruce@reddit

I can live with that

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Pagannerd@reddit

She presented false evidence during a trial to try and force a confession to a crime that had provably not actually occurred. I can't say for sure as we don't have the full text of the Federation legal codes available to us but I strongly suspect that was indeed breaking the law.

I have a feeling that, given her long and stories history prior to that point, there would have been a vested interest in shuffling her back into retirement quickly rather than attempting to prosecute her.

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mz_groups@reddit

Weird retirement plan for a supposed post-scarcity society.

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BurdenedMind79@reddit

When money means nothing, reputation means everything.

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mz_groups@reddit

I'm talking about the wilderness cabins, not the reputation.

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Delicious-Gap-6678@reddit

Good question. I think it's because it makes a very nice contrast to have a retired SF character out chopping wood and such.

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BurdenedMind79@reddit

Then you'd retire to an urban location. Just because we only saw people who chose to retire to wilderness locations, doesn't mean there's no urban retirement opportunities. It just means that the wilderness might appeal more to the sort of person who lived their life on the frontier.

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spectre73@reddit

Riker was from Alaska, so he got a cabin, and his daughter hunted horned rabbits and he picked wild herbs to make pizza in an outdoor oven.

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LeicaM6guy@reddit

San Francisco it is.

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MolybdenumBlu@reddit

Oh. Okay, I'll take the wilderness cabin.

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LiminalSapien@reddit

Who else besides riker?

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Max_Danage@reddit

Isn’t ruining your reputation in the 24th century like going bankrupt today?

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Constant-Aspect-9759@reddit

Keep in mind too that in a post scarcity society your reputation and achievements are the currency you use to advance in life and she flushed it all.

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tonytown@reddit

Although she might have been told to not go too far. Likely her previous cases would be called into review and she might have had to answer for any overturned convictions.

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ryhoyarbie@reddit (OP)

I can see some admirals asking for her to go for psychological evaluation after she left the Enterprise. She was nuts.

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Prudent-Income-5284@reddit

That makes sense! Great actress btw!

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Aridyne@reddit

Admirals actually getting psych evals in STARFLEET.... nah if they did that there would be far fewer evil admirals

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First_Pay702@reddit

Sure they do. They are completed by a board of their peers that determine they all seem normal enough to them.

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Rustie_J@reddit

I always hoped that was the case.

Some people are just fascists at heart, whether by nature or thanks to an authoritarian childhood. But as weird as that little vignette about the dining room table debates was, it's hard to tell if that's the case for her, or if she just saw one too many things in her career & snapped.

But either way, she was in pain, whether she'd gone crazy, or just because all fascists are full of fear. And I'd rather they got help for that fearfulness than just be ostracized, if that's at all possible.

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MAJORMETAL84@reddit

100%

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Glacier2011@reddit

Admiral Henry probably ordered psych evaluation for sure

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QualifiedApathetic@reddit

I'm more interested in the question of what happened to her assistants. Their role in this can't look good on their resumes.

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theurbaneman@reddit

Backwater postings, to the Vehicle Licensing Centre in Swansea/DMV or whatever the 24thC equivalent is.

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Kord537@reddit

Vehicle Licensing Centre in Swansea

Yes, Minister enjoyer? Or is that a more common joke that the show simply borrowed?

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theurbaneman@reddit

Yes Minister enjoyer.

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dobrowolsk@reddit

Completely off-topic, but I loved that the CIA guy from Mission Impossible 1 (William Dunloe) >!who was posted to a listening post in Alaska is actually important in the last movie.!<

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Rustie_J@reddit

The thing about Starfleet is that there is an expectation that everyone do the right thing. Obviously the chain of command is supposed to be followed, orders are supposed to be obeyed, etc., but, no matter how low on the town pole you are, you are supposed to go to someone if you have concerns about the orders or behavior of your superior.

I figure, not only would her assistants from the episode be answering a lot of questions, but her pre-retirement staff would be, too. There'd probably be a full inquiry into her office, because now all of her cases look suspect. Any defense attorney worth a shit would be salivating as they wrote up their appeal paperwork.

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kidney-displacer@reddit

I think the lead investigator would have some difficulty for sure, the note taker would likely be just fine, but I've got no clue, ive only dabbled with court life

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QualifiedApathetic@reddit

The note taker sure seemed to take pleasure in telling Picard that he was next in the witch hunt. I'd have liked to see consequences for all of them.

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kidney-displacer@reddit

Thats fair and understandable

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tatertrap@reddit

She became a host on "the view" with Guinan.

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angelwolf71885@reddit

Disgrace hopefully a tribunal about her and hopefully court martial and loss of law license and possibly penal colony

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IllustratorComplex13@reddit

She kills traitors for section 31 her dream job.

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KrakenKrusdr84@reddit

Relived of duty or arrested and placed under psychiatric observation.

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wizardrous@reddit

Scrubbing out plasma conduits.

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ericsonofbruce@reddit

nah, holodeck cum filters

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Romulan-Jedi@reddit

Ugh, people really use it for that?

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TwilightReader100@reddit

I mean, do you REALLY think that the senior staff on the Enterprise would have reacted the way they did if Barclay's holodeck fantasies were actually PG rated?

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Romulan-Jedi@reddit

It's mostly that.

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YeTDrk5ayw)

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AustinFan4Life@reddit

She was retired. I would assume she resumed her retirement after she was thoroughly embarrassed.

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GABigBear@reddit

I hate that bitch. You shouldn’t put kangaroos on trial like that.

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jasonite@reddit

I've always thought her career was over, so she went back into retirement, and hopefully later realized what she had done. Either way she's not being pulled up again.

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Michelle_akaYouBitch@reddit

Her new office has nice padding all around.

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strangway@reddit

Probably went back to the Norpin colony to retire with Captain Scotty and Doctor McCoy.

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Idiot_Savant_13@reddit

Transporter incident.

"Never seen or heard from again!" - After Hours

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thorleywinston@reddit

It depends on how long she lived afterwards. She had a long and distinguished career before "The Drumhead" and while this certainly took a hit to her reputation, it's not going to undo a lifetime of distinguished service. She accused Picard of betraying the Federation which seemed absurd . . . but then the events of "I, Borg" (where Picard refused a chance to take out the Borg once and for all) and "The Pegasus" (where Picard disclosed a top secret cloaking-phase program to the Romulans) happened and it's likely Starfleet Command was giving Picard the side-eye by then and she probably seemed less like she went too far and more like someone who may have picked up on things that others refused to see.

You also look at how Starfleet changed because of the Dominion War (shapeshifters infiltrating the Federation, the Klingons breaking the Khitomer Accords, the Cardassians shifting loyalties, having to trick the Romulans into the War, being brought to the brink of defeat, etc.) and there are probably more than a few officers who would say (privately) "maybe Admiral Satie had a point and we should have listened to her rather than dismissed her."

And if she was still alive by the time of the the events of Season 1 of "Star Trek Picard" when Picard threatened to resign if Starfleet didn't give in to his demands about nearly their entire Starfleet to try and evacuate Romulus after the attack on the Utopia Planitia shipyards, I think by then Starfleet Command had enough of Picard and she would have felt vindicated.

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47of74@reddit

Something I've wondered too is if she had been an excellent officer before her initial retirement and age was starting to catch up with her and she had started declining mentally. It's not typical, but there are a few people who start slipping into dementia in their 50s and early 60s.

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benjaminjnorton@reddit

Hopefully she got sent to Turkana IV for attitude adjustment.

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andychef@reddit

Joined the private sector doing the same thing for more pay

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psydkay@reddit

Back to sucking dick

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LaxBedroom@reddit

Started a podcast where she interviews likeminded people who think the Federation is weak on crime.

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Comfortable_Poem_841@reddit

Imagine how smug she'd have been after the events of Picard season three. "Oh, I was imagining a conspiracy against the Federation, was I? Oh, we shouldn't probe too deeply into possible treason? Oh, Jean-Luc Picard is definitely beyond reproach, apart from his multiple acts of disobeying orders?"

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LaxBedroom@reddit

"People ask me, they say, 'Nora! How did you see this coming? How were you so ahead of the game?' And you know what I tell them? Interphasic Tricreatine. I've been starting my day with IT since I was little. With the first link the chain is forged, and you don't want your link to be missing crucial supplements and minerals."

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wootio@reddit

And sells premium Ferengi supplements.

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r000r@reddit

She went to assisted living. Even her family probably didn't want to deal with a batshit conspiracy theorist.

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stubob1701@reddit

She went full MAGA.

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Lost_Balloon_@reddit

She went back into her memory care facility.

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AdagioVast@reddit

Given her status she was probably requested to resign. I doubt any formal charges were brought against her, and all charges were dropped against the defendant.

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danielsangeo@reddit

"Voluntarily" left Starfleet to spend more time with her family.

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VoicesofGusto@reddit

Mod on one of the pro-NuTrek subreddits.

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ItyBityGreenieWeenie@reddit

oh snap!

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Wonderful_Pension_67@reddit

Transporter accident

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Facehugger81@reddit

Quiet return to retirement.

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LordOfFudge@reddit

She went back to running the “Federation Moms for Liberty” facebook page

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BathFullOfDucks@reddit

went back into retirement, started posting on space twitter about "those people", ran for president, made an ill timed joke about Vulcans, bowed out of the race. Died of a heart attack after seeing a Romulan restaurant in town.

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Intelligent_Fly_7455@reddit

Probably forcrd to return to her retirement as she was pulled into service for this investigation.

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Commando_NL@reddit

She probably lead the Democratic party for many years to come.

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pakrat1967@reddit

Along with going back into retirement. She was probably given a psych eval.

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ChicagoJoe123456789@reddit

Became the Democratic nominee for POTUS.

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SmashRadish@reddit

I hope she got screwed over by quark repeatedly.

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dobrowolsk@reddit

(Later season) Quark is actually a good guy. He'd need to know what she pulled in order for him to screw her over. But if he knew, he'd make Odo proud by screwing her over using completely legal methods.

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ericsonofbruce@reddit

she wishes she could pull quark.

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Cute_Repeat3879@reddit

She retired again. I'd guess most people in the Federation never heard about the incident. Her reputation in legal circles would be damaged, but if she stayed retired they would mostly remember the good she did.

As far as her personally, I like to think she was ashamed of what happened in hindsight. Once she had some distance she'd be able to see how misguided she was.

Jean Simmons was a really good actress.

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dobrowolsk@reddit

Her reputation in legal circles would be damaged

I feel like her legal stances would be put under scrutiny. Her tendency for witch-hunts can't be a new and sudden appearance. Maybe some of her judgements would be put up for review.

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skoda101@reddit

Forced to retire, made a fortune as a right-wing podcaster

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SPECTREagent700@reddit

Best outcome: Faded back into quiet obscurity.

Worst outcome: Joined Section 31.

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