So did a chinaman really take his legs from him in Korea or did he lie about that too? 🤔
Posted by AnxiousCommittee4190@reddit | lebowski | View on Reddit | 125 comments
CaptianBrasiliano@reddit
It doesn't matter. He went out and achieved anyway.
NotYerBoyBlue@reddit
I'm the guy that's gonna kick your phony, gold-bricking ass, that's who I am. Man.
Tough choice between who to believe. Walter is usually wrong. And Mr. Lebowski is usually a liar.
MechanicalTurkish@reddit
And the Dude just wants his rug back.
jeffbas@reddit
And Uli just wanted some money.
NotYerBoyBlue@reddit
Ve takes the moooney?
bebopgamer@reddit
Joking aside, this is one of the core themes of the film: it's impossible to know what to believe. "You have your story, I have mine" is a quote, bbut also a good summary of the plot. Is Maude a "highly commended" artist, or just a pretentious trust fund baby? Did TBL fail as a business man, as she says, or was he a success as he claims? Does Bunny in fact owe money to Jackie Treehorn? Or does he just see an opening to squeeze a wealthy man with an ego and an embarrassing wife? Did Jesus really do six months in Chino? Was that even the RIGHT Larry Sellers, or just some confused kid with the same name and a disabled dad? End of the day, you can only rely on what the camera shows, not anything any character says.
hornwalker@reddit
Is that some kinda Eastern thing?
jeffbas@reddit
Far from it.
jabalong@reddit
Yeah well, ya know, that's just, like uh, your opinion, man. But seriously, I don't see the movie like that, or at least not to the same degree. It's a play on mid-century hardboiled detective stories (notably Chandler's Marlowe), which I'm a big fan of. So, by its nature, all those involved in the case have to be looked at skeptically until the pieces start to make sense. But it's not impossible to know what to believe, as it becomes clearer as the case moves towards its resolution. The characters are not all unreliable.
Maude becomes a semi-trusted ally, enabling the breakthrough that solves the case. How commended an artist she may or may not be isn't really important. While pushed away, Da Fino also seems like a believable would-be ally and a source of useful information to the Dude in the case.
The Big Lebowski, and possibly Brandt as his associate, are the least reliable as they're driving the deception at the heart of the case. The Big Lebowski used Bunny's disappearance for a money con, but there’s no reason to think his story about his legs couldn’t be believed. If he was going around lying about such a fundamental thing, there’s every reason to believe that it would have been exposed during his public, commended life or by Maude.
The nihilists are also guilty of carrying out a deception. But beyond that, what we see of them as characters and their role in the story seems quite believable. The directors choose to show us the scene of the girlfriend’s missing toe to make it clear to us what has happened there.
Might Jackie have tried to squeeze Lebowski harder? Possibly. But fundamentally, Jackie’s core claim does not seem to be in doubt that Bunny owed money. The Big Lebowski doesn’t want to honour her debts (and maybe can’t if Maude controls his money), but he doesn’t dispute that Bunny would owe money.
I don’t see any reason to doubt that it was the Larry they were looking for. They found his homework and tracked him back. If it was a complete mistaken identity, surely any kid with nothing to hide would have said something (ie, protested that it wasn’t his homework). It’s more likely that he was indeed a lightly supervised little prick, who might steal a car to joyride in, and as such was stonewalling them.
Besides the deliberately deceptive Big Lebowski and Brandt, Walter is probably the most unreliable character. But that’s just because of Walter being Walter. Could he have made up the story about Jesus? Sure, possibly. But I don’t see a need to make that stretch.
Like the nihilists’ girlfriend’s toe scene, that the directors chose to show us Jesus going door to door, rather than just leaving it as hearsay from Walter, gives me confidence that it’s true. It also makes for a more compelling character, so I don’t see any benefit in undermining that. Jesus isn’t part of the case, so there’s no need to make him a character whose backstory should be doubted.
Beyond that, though not part of the case, other characters in the film seem straightforward and believable: Donny, Smokey, Marty, the Stranger-- aw, look at me, I'm ramblin' again. In short, beyond the mystery and deceptions in the case, inherent to the detective story genre, I don’t see the film as having an overarching core theme that it’s impossible to know what to believe.
elpayo@reddit
2wheelsThx@reddit
Yeah, and what about the beaver picture? We never see him actually fixing dein cahble.
HeavyGoose8183@reddit
The plot was ridiculous.
bebopgamer@reddit
So... maybe he wasn't der expert?
Banana_Pankcakes@reddit
Did the rug really tie the room together?
MechanicalTurkish@reddit
Well Dude, we just don’t know.
No-Gas-1684@reddit
Tomorrow's already the tenth!
MechanicalTurkish@reddit
Far out
Cool-Bodybuilder9498@reddit
You’re not wrong. After all, it’s neither a marmot nor a Pomeranian
bebopgamer@reddit
Yeah, don't even get me started on the folks spouting, "Walter was right about everything." Far from it.
YouOk5627@reddit
Is that some kind of Eastern thing?
logicflawz@reddit
Far from y
Ok_Tour_1525@reddit
He was right about almost everything. Except smoky was not over the line and I’m pretty sure TBL does not fuckin walk. And he was wrong about who owned the corvette. You know, Walter might have only been right like half the time.
bebopgamer@reddit
In the 14th century, did the Rambam really say... darnit, lost my train of thought
Ok-Adeptness3884@reddit
The Rambam was long dead by then.Â
Loud-Vacation-5691@reddit
"Because the Talmud says..."
"I don't give a shit what he says!"
Oops, wrong show
Adventurous_Tower348@reddit
But 50 percent of the time, Walter works it right every time.
I5I75I96I40I70Me696@reddit
Look, the fucking dog has fucking papers.
mat_srutabes@reddit
I just like how he said he didn't blame anyone for the use of his legs and then immediately blames some chinaman in korea
Ok-Adeptness3884@reddit
That's some new shit that has come to light.Â
Ok-Adeptness3884@reddit
His name is Sellers? That's your name, Larry.Â
Grizz807@reddit
Do you have to use so many cuss words?
Loud-Vacation-5691@reddit
Ah'll have some o' that good sarseparilla.
roshanritter@reddit
We see Jesus go door to door so I think he did 6 months in Chino for something.
I5I75I96I40I70Me696@reddit
Eight year olds, dude.
bebopgamer@reddit
This is a fair point, the camera supports Walter's narrative in that case, while it leaves other statements of hos unconfirmed
hotsliceofjesus@reddit
It’s how the whole durned human comedy perpetuates itself down through the generations Westward through the wagons…
YouOk5627@reddit
Look at me, I’m rambling again
bebopgamer@reddit
Eitz chaim hee, as the ex used to say
imstevieshield@reddit
1CryptographerFree@reddit
johnvanarsdale@reddit
That's fucking interesting, man. That's fucking interesting.
bebopgamer@reddit
Thank-ee
Swimming_Height_4684@reddit
Story is ludicrous
CapitalPunBanking@reddit
That was the right Larry Sellers, he was just befuddled because it was the nihilists who stole the car.
in_n_out_on_camrose@reddit
Lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-yous… a lotta strands to keep in duder’s head
lojay13@reddit
Maude as an artist... her rorschach looking paint splatter piece is the only one I liked. I started to question her artistic caliber when really stopping to look at her other pieces.
OllieTheMLGPro@reddit
What in god’s name are you blathering about?
mattchuckyost@reddit
Fuck it Dude, it might have been the 11th, the Dude's check was not a ringer, and Marty had the date wrong!
SXIOPO@reddit
Phone’s ringing, Dude!
SanibelMan@reddit
Thanks, Donny!
DeeEmm@reddit
I did not lose a leg in Vietnam to sell hotdogs to teenagers.
Cool_Hand_Lute@reddit
I didn’t know that the Chinese fought against the USA in the Korean War, but I am a stunad
Human-Document-8331@reddit
My guess is his own men tried to frag him.
elpayo@reddit
Just like Douglas C. Neidermeyer
player3390@reddit
Also, Dude, 'Chinaman' is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please."
Radicle_Cotyledon@reddit
I was always confused by Walter being so adamant about this, only to turn around in a later scene and refer to Burkhalter as a kraut.
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Well, being Jewish and Polish, he probably has beef with Germans.
elpayo@reddit
As Jewish as fucking Tevye.
Radicle_Cotyledon@reddit
That had not occurred to me.
Turdfurgeso@reddit
Dude come on
YouOk5627@reddit
That had not occurred to us, Dude.
hundredgrandpappy@reddit
Well that’s why you pay me.
MechanicalTurkish@reddit
I think Walter has beef with a lot of people
EstimateKey1577@reddit
He's not even fucking Jewish. He's fucking Polish Catholic.
DatBeardedguy82@reddit
What the the fuck are you talking about? He converted when he married Cynthia.
Adventurous_Tower348@reddit
It's all just a part of his sick Cynthia thing.
I5I75I96I40I70Me696@reddit
He’s living in the past.
sharkzone@reddit
SHOMER SHABBOS!!
Sanctus_Poopabumsus@reddit
It wasnt the guys building the railroad man
RedKingCrab99@reddit
THE CHINAMAN IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE
draizetrain@reddit
One of my favorite fucking bits. Walter immediately contradicts himself, as he so often does
AbidinginAnubhava@reddit
"... Walter immediately contradicts himself, as so many of his generation, before his time..."
Turdfurgeso@reddit
Fucking Boomers
Acceptable_Self_7732@reddit
How about the "camel fucker" he drops later in the car 😂
RedPhule@reddit
I've seen a ton of spinals, Dude...this guy walks!
Loud-Vacation-5691@reddit
Stay away from me, mister
Particular-Village91@reddit
I had buddies who died face down in the much so you and I could enjoy this family restaurant
knoxx2020@reddit
Actually a chinaman did take his legs and a chinaman pissed on the dude’s rug. So yeah.. chinaman are the issue…😂
Eric848448@reddit
Walter! He isn’t the guy who built the fucking railroad!
He’s the guy-
Top-Use4277@reddit
Were you listening to the dudes story?
Denver-Ski@reddit
I was bowling
live2ride73@reddit
So you have no frame of reference
Consistent_Low2080@reddit
I am the walrus . . . . . oops wrong scene.
MechanicalTurkish@reddit
You’re like a child who wanders in in the middle of a movie
Consistent_Low2080@reddit
I was out for popcorn sorry.
BendAppropriate614@reddit
This guy fuckin' walks.
Slightly_Mid015@reddit
Man help me put him back in his chair.
Acceptable_Ratio_382@reddit
Stay away from me, mister!
Adventurous_Tower348@reddit
ACHTUNG BABY!
kinkyslc1@reddit
I've never been more certain of anything in my life!
VisitAbject4090@reddit
Fuck it let’s go bowling
Recent-Raspberry-691@reddit
I've seen a lot of spinals dude.
KarlPHungus@reddit
That creep can roll, man
mat_srutabes@reddit
He didn't blame anyone for the use of his legs. A Chinaman took them from him in Korea. But he went out and achieved anyway.
Were you listening to the Dude's story?
PharmD-2-MD@reddit
Are you employed, Mr. Lebowski?
oneofthehumans@reddit
In the book it was was a Kraut in WW2 that took his legs and it was a chinaman down at the league office. They decided to switch it around in the movie as a subtle joke
Ok-Adeptness3884@reddit
Why did they leave the Flitcraft story out? Hammett wasn't exactly a lightweight.Â
Loud-Vacation-5691@reddit
He never blamed anyone for the loss of his legs, then immediately blamed a Chinaman in Korea for taking them from him. But he went out and achieved anyway!
downtune79@reddit
Chinaman isn't the preferred nomenclature, dude
BusyStudio5759@reddit
Cmon man he isn’t trying to scam anyone.
Cambren1@reddit
Honestly, you are like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie, and wants to know what’s going on
AccomplishedWork687@reddit
This is my favorite sub
Carnaldiem@reddit
Dude, "chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
TheNJGM@reddit
let me tell you something, I've seen a lot of spinals, dude. This guy's a fake, a fucking goldbricker. This guy fuckin walks, I've never been more certain of anything in my life.
russellphotographer@reddit
Yes, and he went out and achieved anyway.
bebopgamer@reddit
I'm a fucking veteran, that's who I am
russellphotographer@reddit
You stay away from me, mister!
Evolutionary_sins@reddit
Well dude, we just don't know
OddsAreBenToOne@reddit
It doesn’t matter - he went out and achieved anyway.
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Probably polio.
_JediJon@reddit
No, no, the wealth is all mother’s.
man0vv@reddit
This whole fucking thing
Sitting_in_a_tree_@reddit
Bulk of the series; not exactly a lightweight.
Green_Bast3rd@reddit
And let me tell you something else...I've seen a lot of spinals Dude, and this guy is a FAKE! A fuckin' goldbricker...
Greater-Scope@reddit
That had not occurred to us, dude.
Pat-da-Cat@reddit
So I guess racially he’s NOT pretty cool
stoneman9284@reddit
I always assumed that part is true
Repulsive_Aside_4122@reddit
He didn't blame them - until he did
Repulsive_Aside_4122@reddit
The Chinaman is not the issue
timpratt83@reddit
That had not occurred to us, Dude.
m1dlife-1derer@reddit
What day is it?
AllegedlyGoodPerson@reddit
Human Paraquat
milderhappiness@reddit
Well Dude, we just don't know.
Amischwein@reddit
Gold bricker if ever saw one.
901Soccer@reddit
I do know that he went out and achieved anyway