When will you buy an EV car?

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Intelligent-Quail621@reddit

When my 208d gives up. It runs on fresh air.. the range is crazy how little it uses.

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donkomaniac@reddit

Actually trying to decide this myself.

Currently drive a 2008 petrol car, it's still in good condition and relatively low mileage.

But, I'm about to start commuting further for work, and with the cost of petrol, it's got me thinking that I'd be as well off getting a 3 year old EV and a charger at home.

I think it's going to cost between £250 and £300 a month for petrol, so I could use that money to pay monthly for a much newer and (in theory) more reliable car while charging cheaply at home.

The other thing is that if I do end up needing a new car, I'd still have to pay the fuel AND probably a monthly payment unless I get another cheap petrol.

Is that an crazy way to look at it?

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GrabbedByTheGhost@reddit

I'll buy them when I can get an EV charger either for free or at a rate which won't bankrupt me.

I'm finding cars of all types are becoming ludicrously expensive. I loathe the necessity of them

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Tesla FSD has just arrived in the Netherlands, so when it reaches the UK. Then I'll be saving on fuel and insurance. (Because it increases safety so much you get a discount) Plus I'll be able to take in the views on long journeys.

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CryptographerLoud236@reddit

Never. They’re not the answer. And they cause too much environmental damage to manufacture and maintain. There’s a better soloution out there but EVs aren’t it

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disembodied_voice@reddit

they cause too much environmental damage to manufacture and maintain

EVs still cause objectively less environmental damage than ICE vehicles, which is what matters.

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CryptographerLoud236@reddit

I think you need to research EV manufacturing impacts, which is conveniently left out of the evangelists playbook.

thats before we discuss installing infrastructure, methods of generating the electricity to charge the vehicles(highly dependent on country) , replacement batteries and installation, often before breaking even on the environmental damage mileage figure and EVs are down by quite a lot over ICE.

Although I wouldn’t expect a disciple to know that before arguing with a stranger on reddit. Facts don’t encourage profitability, nor do they fit the ‘save the world’ rhetoric that most EV owners have gullibly swallowed.

Information is the enemy of profits.

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disembodied_voice@reddit

I think you need to research EV manufacturing impacts

I did research it. I even presented the research to you. EVs are, in fact, better for the environment than ICE vehicles. That's just reality.

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CryptographerLoud236@reddit

Tell yourself whatever you like. I like how you tried projecting your own evangelical tactics back on my responses, but thats quite easy to see through and nobody is buying it. You clearly aren’t the type to be open to facts. You’ve conveniently dodged all answers to questions presented in the previous responses, misinterpreted figures, ignored others and at this point just looking to prolong an argument for no valid reason other than your ego and misplaced sense of authority based on a single source that supports your argument, which isn’t really in line with the critical thinking required for successful academia, which you’re trying to lean on but not utilising correctly. and Its likely you’re an EV owner and don’t want to admit that higher purchase price, cost of repairs replacements and diagnostics are not actually worth the perceived ‘benefits’. Which, FYI, we are yet to see in terms of climate, environmental recovery/improvement. And probably won’t for a very long time until either EVs are embraced for the purpose of conserving the planet instead of profit. In the mean time, cleaner energy is required and EVs are not it.

Be angry if you like but it doesn’t change things.

I won’t be responding further as battling belligerence is a poor use of time and effort.

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shadowboy@reddit

In June.

I’ve ordered a model 3 Tesla on lease. (Actually the cheapest EV lease I could find £305 a month 0 down)

I had 10k cash and I couldn’t find anything that looked even remotely worth that much. Yes I could have bought a 10k piece of shit which then would have died in 3-5 years anyway.

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BamberGasgroin@reddit

Have you looked under the kerbs?

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thecornflake21@reddit

Do you always manage to find a charge point and is it a worry that it will become harder as more people move to ev?

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ATSOAS87@reddit

Generally, I've not had an issue with finding a charger.

Near us there are 4 on road street chargers. But in an underground car park there are about 10 more, however, you need to pay to park there.

So if we need to use one of those we drain the battery down and then do a full charge to make the most out of it.

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Ok-Age5784@reddit

How much is charging per KWH? Have some down my street but theyre 40p+ per kWh for slow charging

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ATSOAS87@reddit

31p/kWh

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pronoobmage@reddit

Could you imagine if petrol was £1.10 a litre of you fill up using a spoon, but if you want to fill up using a faster hose it'll be £2.45 a litre. It's just totally wrong.

Your analogy is completely wrong there.
Filling up using a spoon or a faster hose is just matter of time.
Faster charging is a matter of technology.
High level, high performance technology has high price tag...

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Hillbert@reddit

I've just finished a fairly extensive piece of work on some of the underlying costs for charge point operators. Believe me, they are not trying to fleece anyone. Most of them are making no money at all.

For anything apart from slow 7kW chargers, installation costs, connection fees, standing charges, electricity network charges etc. etc. add up to something like 60 p/kWH

Then VAT, potential revenue share, etc. etc.

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1207554@reddit

I have just come out of the industry. It's basically a marathon for the operators that can last the longest before going bust. Only a handful will make it to the end.

People really dont appreciate the costs that go into this sort of stuff, while its a growing market, you have companies that are just constantly making a loss and relying on investment to keep them going.

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That's quite interesting. Wasn't it the same with their cars sold as a loss with the intention of starving the competition out of the market place?

So are Tesla chargers still owned by Tesla? (Sounds a silly question I guess) Does the money you'd spend using a Tesla charger go to them or is it Tesla in name only now?

If the money goes to them then that is a good enough reason for me to never use them. The idea of giving anything to the 🔔 end that is musk makes me shudder.

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HELMET_OF_CECH@reddit

And yet the government don’t give a shit about how this is all working out in reality as long as the Net Zero religion can be worshipped at all times.

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Unable_Efficiency_98@reddit

Yeah, a decent 2.5 MVA transformers is £67k. Then you’ve got the ducting, cable (around £150/ m), installation, switchgear, kiosk, circuit protection etc. And that’s presuming the local grid can handle the supply to it, then you have the various fees to the DNO before you even get started and once you’re running. It’s not cheap to set up.

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UnbalancedMint@reddit

Im a transport manager for hgvs and some elements of our operation would be manageable still in spite of the current range limitations of hgvs... Problem is the batteries are obviously massive to pull 44 tonnes so would need a fast charger to be able to fully recharge every night. Was quoted over 100k for this. If we went down the 7.5kwh charger route then it would take over 24hrs to charge so its not viable unless we run two trucks. Which then becomes twice as much tax, insurance, inspections and physical space etc... So its really difficult to make it work currently. We would still be game for it even if it cost us a bit more but the quick maths we did came back as almost triple our current costs so its just a non starter for us at least.

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bill_end@reddit

I should imagine that your home leccy is a domestic tariff which is is subject to a government price cap. The company providing a public charger will be paying considerably higher commercial rates.

Plus, if you're getting 5p/kwh no doubt you're charging at night when rates are lower. People using a public charger aren't going to be going there at 3am and doing a trickle charge.

EVs are great for people with driveways and their own house so they can install a charger. For renters, flat and terrace house dwellers, not so much

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Significant_Bear3843@reddit

There are subscriptions to lower price and tesla are roughly 25-50p.

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rohaan06@reddit

Who offers 5.5p overnight?

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eggs_and_ham_i_am@reddit

It's an economy 7 tariff with Eon. Our day rate is scary, but we're not around during the day, and we do all our dishwasher, washing machine, tumble dryer, and car charging between the hours of 1:30-8:30 using timers.

We are ordering an electric car next week.

I've done a lot of research and the best way for us to charge will be subscribing to be.ev for £100 a year. We will then be able to charge for 39p per kWH.

This is much more expensive than being on a special home tariff, but is also cheaper than I currently pay for petrol.

Yes I will have to charge it once a week, but it will only take around half an hour, and I can just potter round the shop whilst I wait.

Can you get petrol thats cheaper per mile than public fast-charging for EVs?

Right - and the person who parks outside my house and goes on holiday?

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RestingRichard@reddit

Even at the top end of EV public charging rates (service station without subscription/account) it still generally works out cheaper than running an ICE car. Using the tesla supercharger network (open to all) pricing is basically the equivalent of a car doing 70mpg.

Yes, that's nowhere near as low as what people who can charge at home can get, but it's still better than diesel at the moment, with less of the price volatility

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Happy_Chief@reddit

Totally, now add the cost of the EV against the 2016 ICE car I already own outright.

The numbers stop working without at-home charging, even less so if I add an inconvenience factor for having to drive across town to charge somewhere (I.e, my hourly rate)

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RestingRichard@reddit

Great job on moving those goal posts

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Happy_Chief@reddit

The only way is sorting the charging mess.

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ExternalSalad5212@reddit

Idk how much charging prices work out but for a new EV for my needs I am estimating around £300 a month. I pay (even with diesel nearly being £2 a litre) around £75 for two weeks. That's £150 a month and I can do it anywhere in under 10min. I don't have a driveway so the inconvenience. Also, my car is MK3 Skoda. The parts are dirt cheap and I can do 90% of maintenance myself so I am saving on that as well. I would be to afraid to work with ev without enough knowledge to not get shocked

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TheTreeDweller@reddit

You might an argument, we're counted with a logical response and moved the goal right after, hence moving the goalposts.

Totally, now add the cost of the EV against the 2016 ICE car I already own outright.

But that's not the issue. I didn't buy my EV, 3 years ago, because I wanted to junk my 2013 Diesel and switch to EV.

I decided 6 years ago that my next car would probably be an EV. Then I carried on driving my Diesel until I decided its usefulness was at an end (for me, at least - friend is still driving it).

So my choice was between a new/used EV or a new/used ICE.

I'd previously decided on the EV bit. The fact this was a car for my retirement made me decide on a new one.

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No-Phrase-97@reddit

I've driven EVs for 5 years. The best mpkwh ive achieved LONG TERM (i.e. 1 calendar year or more) is around 2.8mpkwh. On a Tesla supercharger this is anything from 20-23p per mile. On a regular fast charger this is 28p per mile. On my Ford Focus at 40mpg and £1.30lt fuel (as of 6 weeks ago) its 15p per mile.

The cognitive dissonance among EV drivers is real.

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martini1294@reddit

Who owns an EV and only publicly charges? That’s absurd

The occasional time I publicly charge is enormously offset by the fact it costs me ~£5 to full charge at night

£5 gets me 250miles. Say I do that 10 times a month. That’s £50 for 2500 miles driven. Yeah I might have to pay £40 to charge publicly on a long journey but now I’ve paid £90 for 2750 miles driven

Can you drive 2500 miles on £90 of petrol? Nah didn’t think so.

The only cognitive dissonance here is people who can’t see the bigger picture. They both have a place but as someone that drives 25k miles a year I love my EV

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Hugh_Jorgan2474@reddit

Your comment just proves the point about how deluded some people can be

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martini1294@reddit

Are you saying I’m deluded, or they are deluded?

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Hugh_Jorgan2474@reddit

You! Going on a long rant without even comprehending what the comment said.

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martini1294@reddit

Well I did read the comment

I explained that having an EV without a home charger is stupid. Thats not delusional. That’s sensible. I then explained where expensive public charging fits in, whilst still being cheaper than ICE if you can home charge.

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No-Phrase-97@reddit

Totally agree.

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One-Conversation-203@reddit

What are you talking about, just do the maths. Tesla superchargers (3 nearest me for example) are 41p peak 21p off peak, 41 and 23, and 41 and 22. If you only charged peak, your proclaimed 2.8miles per kwh is 14.6p per mile. Thats cheaper than your 15p ford focus. If you charge off peak, at an avg of 22 then thats 7.8p per mile. You may drive them long term but you messed up the maths. Regular fast charger I’ll be the first to admit are super expensive, but re tesla ones you are plain wrong. Fwiw I charge at an overnight rate of 4p per kwh, and since getting my car I’ve averaged over 4miles per kwh, so my effective cost is 1p per mile. Obviously not applicable to anyone but shows amazing savings if home charging is possible, but even if its not and you are savvy then you can still make savings.

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No-Phrase-97@reddit

You questioned my maths and then attempted to disprove my calculations by doing the exact same arithmetic i did...

You're also picking Tesla superchargers to support a weak argument. I'm not sure that washes. You're also cherry picking further by qualifying Tesla membership and antisocial hours (off peak) rates. Im sorry but in the real world it doesnt stack up.

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bonzog@reddit

I've had EVs for a similar time and tend to agree. The running costs are entirely dependent on off-street charging and people tend to dramatically over-state the efficiency of their cars.

Our oldest EV has averaged 3.6mi/kWh over the past month (furthest back the data in the Kia app goes).

The other one has averaged 2.5mi/kWh over 13,000 miles.

Both are capable of better figures but we do not drive either of them with a particular care for efficiency - we have no need to, and it's the fairest comparison to how most folk would drive an ICE. Plus it's fun to zip around.

I obviously have access to home (cheap) and workplace (free, for now) charging but if I was relying on public chargers, it would be very very difficult to make a credible argument that the EVs were anywhere near as cheap as a sensible petrol car.

I really like my EVs but I don't like blind evangelism. They are still not a universal fit for everyone right now.

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No-Phrase-97@reddit

Good to see another real life response. My EV is a company car and I mostly charge for free at work, very occasionally home. I do however make the occasional long journey cross country and there is literally no credible argument i can make that positions an EV any better than an ICE in terms of economic efficiency.

Is it fun? Yes. Is it nice to drive? Absolutely. Is it affordable if you can home charge? Not on your nelly.

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thecornflake21@reddit

My 2019 diesel Qashqai does 80mpg easily (and that's not an uncommon car). So not the case for all diesels. If I did short journeys around town all the time that would drop to about 55-60 but then I wouldn't own a diesel (dpf reasons)

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CarpeCyprinidae@reddit

Even at the top end of EV public charging rates (service station without subscription/account) it still generally works out cheaper than running an ICE car

Just not true.

A typical EV gets about 4 miles per KwH
A typical petrol car on motorway use probably gets about 45mpg.
Therefore a typical petrol car for a motorway mile costs [Petrol price per litre] x 4.54609 [=price per gallon] / 45
That's a petrol price of 15.6 pence per mile today (1.54/litre), and would have been about 13.1 pence per mile back in January
If EV charging had price parity that's 52.53 pence per KwH in January and 62.23 pence per KwH today.

A quick Google shows that its still possible today to find a public 7Kw charger that costs 65p/KwH but the majority of fast chargers are more like 85p/KwH

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phead@reddit

You shop around, 85p is at the very high end, Tesla is always cheaper than that, as is some other chains. My nearest rapid charper is 39p (with 14 bays)

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CarpeCyprinidae@reddit

My nearest rapid charper is 39p (with 14 bays)

Even at the top end of EV public charging rates (service station without subscription/account) it still generally works out cheaper than running an ICE car.

That's just not true.

Anything over 68p kWh works out more expensive than running my wife's Seat Ateca per mile. Moat convenient chargers (as in will get you going again within 45 minutes) are already set between 75-85p That's considerably more per mile than a petrol.

I have an EV, I've had it 3 years, and I've never used a public charger because the expense is just so uneconomical. If we're going somewhere that would require a charge enroute, we take the petrol car.

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RestingRichard@reddit

Did you miss the word GENERALLY in what I said? Obviously there will be some exceptions, and yours is one of them, but generally it works out at about 40mpg at the top priced ones which is broadly what the average car does.

My defender does 20mpg on a good day, but I know that generally most cars are more economical than that, so didn't base it around what my defender does.

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eggs_and_ham_i_am@reddit

A Seat Ateca is probably the most middle of the road family car you can get. To imply I'm using a thirsty car to manipulate my point is very disingenuous.

It gets roughly 36-38 mpg.

Fast EV chargers are more expensive than that on any EV that gives 3.7 miles per KW, which is the average over a year of cold and warm weather that the majority of EVs will give.

Again, some will give slightly more and some less. But comparing an VW ID5 and a Seat Ateca ice car is very like for like for a family car.

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RestingRichard@reddit

Tesla and Ionity both cost around a tenner per month and broadly half the price of the most expensive network. So yes, while you pay a premium to fill up at a services by just tapping your credit card, thats no different to the premium you pay filling up your ICE at a services either.

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notouttolunch@reddit

There are almost none of these chargers available. There are only around 1400 sites across all of Europe!

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Mafeking-Parade@reddit

Home charging for people without driveways is the deal-breaker.

I have an Tesla, and it works brilliantly for my use. But you'd be mental to buy one without a home charger.

Loads of extra aggro, for practically zero saving against a really efficient diesel.

I had half an hour spare after dropping my partner to a hospital appointment in London yesterday, and thought I'd see if I could chuck a quick charge in the car to avoid stopping at a Tesla Supercharger on the upcoming motorway drive.

I have various cards/apps for charging services (Shell, Octopus etc.) that I never use. 95% of my charging is done at home (with added solar), and the odd 5% is done at Superchargers on longer drives.

After 20min driving around various chargers suggested by the apps, I couldn't find any that matched the app's availability or weren't taxi-only. I gave up, and we stopped for a 7min mega-fast charge at the services while I grabbed a wee and a coffee.

I got home and plugged it in yesterday afternoon, and this morning it has \~280 miles of charge for about £7.

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NinjaMonkey91@reddit

I still own a Diesel made in 2018 and I'm still pretty content but if I was to predict, I'd say maybe not my next car but the one after that could be electric.

This is pretty much the position I was in right before Covid (car was made in 2012 and I have owned it since 2015) doing 12-15k miles a year. Looking at the rate of improvements and if it continued at that pace switching to an EV within 10-15 years seemed like the sensible move to make (I have plenty of driveway for a charging point.

The used ev market has gone kinda crazy because of the fuel price, before that it was an easier choice to make.

Our previous used Ceed cost us £17,400. It was serviced annually and it felt like every service revealed new expensive problems - engine oil leaks, DCT issues, etc. We were paying £50 a week in fuel.

Our used Kona EV (Mini SUV) cost us £17900 and has needed no additional maintenance other than annual service and tire changes. It’s costing us about £7.50 a week in energy. Our insurance was about the same for both.

There are less unexpected costs with the EV, it’s cheaper to run, and frankly nicer to drive - I can always “make that gap” at roundabouts. We calculated that we were saving roughly £2500 a year with it vs our ceed - which is insane.

It might not make sense for everyone household but for us it’s been an excellent result.

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LordSn00ty@reddit

Thanks, this is really interesting. I think we'll hit a point when our MPVs maintenence and fuel bill will outpace the combined purchase and upkeep cost of an EV. maybe we're there already and I haven't been paying attention 😄

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EyeAware3519@reddit

Genuine question. What is your definition? What do you spend in total over the total length of ownership? I bet the costs are closer than you think.

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Daveddozey@reddit

I’ve owned my current car for 4 years, cost £1100. Petrol has cost £1500, maintence and MOT well uneer £1k, mainly tyres and suspension

I have a plug in hybrid, more of a cross between and electric and a hybrid. I love it, but it probably wouldn’t suit doing 200 miles every day. It can do it, but you may as well just have a normal hybrid.

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EyeAware3519@reddit

Not a lease no but plenty of EVs out there for 11k and car price inflation had a once in a lifetime spike in 2021 so you benefied from that. How much do you spend on fuel and servicing? How many parts that are designed to fail had to be replaced?

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Splodge89@reddit

The argument was about getting a new car on finance costing the same as buying and keeping. Fuel would be bought whether it’s new or not. Servicing, again the same. My old car costing me nothing but brakes and tyres (which you’d still have to find on a lot of PCPs etc) and a timing belt

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gash_dits_wafu@reddit

Yeah I purchased a 10 year old C'eed 6 years ago for £1000. Probably spent an average of about £400 a year maintaining her and getting her through her annual service requirements and MOT. £47 a month.

The best case of bangernomics I had was with a Passat I owned. I purchased a ~10 year old Passat for about £2000. Spent around £600 over 2 years for MOTs and services, and then someone rear-ended me and wrote it off. Insurance paid out about £2600. So I basically broke even, I was well chuffed.

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Happy_Chief@reddit

The issue is its not viable to own one.

Yeah, on a lease/pcp/whatever agreement, they're close on their 3 year deals.

There’s plenty of us in the EV camp that want the same thing you do: 3-7 kW charging points everywhere. Charging points at 50% of all new parking, upgrades to existing parking, and retrofit existing parking. Charging at a space within, say, 500 m of your home address should be billed at the rate of your home electric tariff + a small bit extra to account for the install costs and maintenance.

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LowarnFox@reddit

Yes, exactly - I live in a house with allocated parking that isn't a driveway. To charge I'd currently have to run some kind of cable across neighbouring property and an access route, I don't think I'd be popular! If there was a way that I could easily stick a charger in my parking space without causing everyone else loads of disruption, I'd seriously consider it.

I'll be honest, I haven't looked into it in lots of detail as I just imagine it'll be a lot of hassle and my current petrol car is "fine" anyway - but I really think this is what's needed. Cheap, slow chargers for communal parking and on street parking that work overnight.

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Former_Intern_8271@reddit

I've also seen some places cutting grooves in pavements for people to run their cables through without bothering people, that could help

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LowarnFox@reddit

That could work with on street parking- I don't think my neighbours would be keen for me to cut a groove across the front of their actual property though. The way it's set up as well is that multiple properties might want the same access route for a charger.

If there was a way to cheaply and quickly install electric chargers for all the allocated parking, I think that would be the way forward.

As a petrol head, why are petrol heads so against EV’s? They are faster and cheaper to run.

I get the manual vs automatic people. But I don’t understand people who prefer petrol over EV as a driving experience.

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PleasantGanache@reddit

I went from a Golf R to Model 3 performance, sure the Tesla is faster, but it handles like a boat and the brakes are scary bad. Yes running costs are cheaper, but for some, its not enough.

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TAOMCM@reddit

Thats not an ev problem it's a tesla problem. The i4 is glorious.

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Connorgri@reddit

Bet it sounds brilliant on a cold start or burbling through town … oh hang on.

Far from universal, even my little MG4 is a hoot to drive.

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iamabigtree@reddit

That was my impression the day I got my MG4 and took jt for a drive in the Pennines. Tonnes more fun than any car I've ever owned, just put your foot down and it shoots off.

Now I'm sure there are plenty of petrol cars that do the same, but not for the same cost.

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RestingRichard@reddit

I took an alpine a290 out for a test drive last week and it was hilarious to drive, genuinely felt like I was chucking a 90s/00s hothatch around some country roads. Fantastic little drivers car

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Fruitpicker15@reddit

If I could do my hiking and camping trips to the Highlands with an EV I'd happily get one.

Theres plenty of EVs that actually have plenty of physical controls. Teslas are kind of infamous for how much they offload onto the display.

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thelovelykyle@reddit

I drive a Ford Explorer SV.

I used to drive a Ford Explorer ICE.

The differences in operation are the lack of gears, I start the car with a knob rather than a button and that I can cap my 'Charge until' percentage (which I do have to use the ipad for).

And I fuel it using a different cable, of course.

dwair@reddit

Generally I'm at work or doing something else during the day so tend to buy fuel later on. This is especially true on longer journeys where I have to fill up along the way.

As I don't own an EV (yet) as far as the charging queues go, I'm just going on what I see around my town and on the motorways so I'm happy to be proved wrong about that.

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audigex@reddit

On a long journey you’d fill up at a motorway services not an industrial estate

And sure you’re at work in the day, but surely you’d charge when you go to the supermarket, or restaurant, or something like the cinema?

Almost everyone is going to be near one of those for half an hour a week regardless

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Splodge89@reddit

It’s more than half of car users who cannot charge at home who would be suited fine with charging publicly while they’re in the supermarket or the gym or having a cheeky McDonald’s once a week.

They don’t work for everyone, but that’s not to say it doesn’t work for anyone and should be dismissed.

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audigex@reddit

I think the point is that while it’s not ideal for everyone, it does work better for many than people sometimes seem to think

Let’s say (just for the sake of argument) it’s fine for people up to bang on the average mileage who can do a 15 minute rapid charge once a week instead of a 5 minute petrol station trip, and that half of people have driveways

By extension, you’d conclude that EVs work for about 75% of people. Because approximately half have a driveway (50%) and of the other half, approximately half do below average mileage (+25%)

And that’s already quite pessimistic considering the UK housing survey says 2/3 of homes have off road parking, and because really most people are around the average mileage so there’s no need to cut off at bang on 50%. If we said it’s probably 2/3 with a driveway and 2/3 could get by with a weekly charge, for example, then that’s 66% with a driveway and another 22% from the remaining 33% who can just do a rapid charge once a week. So 88%

Really I’d say 88% is optimistic, but the point is that we’re probably somewhere in the 70-90% range who would be fine

I say this as someone who had an EV without off road parking for 2 years, too - so I’m not just declaring that other people should take an inconvenience I haven’t experienced. It was honestly fine. I prefer it now I have a driveway, but it was totally manageable - as with the commenter above, we just charged at the supermarket or shopping centre or occasionally my partner’s work when she took my car

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iamabigtree@reddit

There's one exception and that is company car drivers. The BIK tax can mean you still save money even without a drive. Plus with the recent rises in petrol then rapid EV charging and petrol are just about on par as long as you stay away from the motorway services chargers.

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Junior-Tap-8503@reddit

I live in a terrace with on street parking that’s not even in front of my house and I manage charging fine

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LowAnimator8770@reddit

How?

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Junior-Tap-8503@reddit

I have a 32A commando socket on my front wall, cable from that runs down to the end of our terrace shared garden and terminate in small outdoor storage box.

I have a commando to type 2 charger plugged in to that which I coil up and leave in the box when not in use.

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The issue is possibly because you’ve got an ID5. Have you tried other EVs?

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eggs_and_ham_i_am@reddit

I've driven several EV's, Polestar 3, Leaf, Cupra Born, Renault 5, BMW I3, VW Buzz, and found them all to be very sterile dull driving experiences.

They are perfect for their use of commuting to work, taking kids to clubs, going on family days out that ain't weekends away, etc. But fun or engaging to drive they most definitely ain't.

FWIW, the Born was probably my favourite of the bunch, and will most likely be my next car, it felt the closest to "hot hatch" territory, my preferred type of cars. The Polestar was an absolutely awful car to drive.

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IanM50@reddit

Petrol heads find it difficult to understand that the instant torque, high hp, rapid acceleration, low slung mass, and rheostatic braking, make EVs great to drive, especially round places like the mountains of Wales, where you can accelerate hard, brake hard and drive through corners.

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the-holy-one23@reddit

We've just done the same. It makes her commute mega cheap

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EntrepreneurNice4994@reddit

When I can afford one

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AttersH@reddit

Made the switch last year & I’ll never go back. The car is a genuine dream to drive, smooth, quiet, one pedal (i-pedal), so you don’t even need to brake, it’s literally one pedal driving (obvs there is a break if needed). It’s very speedy. Packed with tech, heats up & cools down in seconds (literally), can defrost it from an app before you leave the house. It’s cheaper than petrol, far easier to fuel at home, there’s charging stations literally everywhere now (never had a problem, the car tells me where the nearest charger is & if it’s free & how long the current car charging has been there 😅). Also get cheap electric over night on our tariff, which saves pennies on the washing machine & dishwater. And I’m hopefully helping the environment a bit 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s certainly helping my bank balance at the minute with the cost of diesel, which our last car was.

dwair@reddit

I don't have anything against electric cars per-say, although I do treat their longevity with some suspicion, and charging them cheaply and easily on long journeys seems to be more hassle than it's worth to me (I live rurally, do high milage, don't want to have to hunt out chargers and hang about for someone else to finish before I start my 30 min wait).

Environmentally I'm also not fully convinced as lithium production is at least as environmentally destructive as oil extraction and refining, and electricity production although 'cleaner' than everyone running an individual ICE isn't exactly very clean in the UK either.

That said, if I was just doing a school run, pootling about town and keeping my milage under 20k a year I'd happily invest in one but until the battery tech and supporting infrastructure improves (which I'm sure it will), I'll be sticking to my old ICE diesel which does an OK(ish) 55 to the gallon.

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disembodied_voice@reddit

Environmentally I'm also not fully convinced as lithium production is at least as environmentally destructive as oil extraction and refining

It is not.

and electricity production although 'cleaner' than everyone running an individual ICE isn't exactly very clean in the UK either

EVs in the UK realize a 62% reduction in lifecycle impacts compared to ICE vehicles.

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dwair@reddit

Yet The cost of green energy: lithium mining’s impact on nature and people

Although the EV life cycle analysis you linked to confirms that in an ideal situation EV's might leverage a 62% reduction in CO2 emissions, they also state that this can drop as far as 22% less CO2 than diesel in the EU (Imported batteries and Polish power stations). As I said although EV's are cleaner, they aren't exactly clean to run until we shift to 100% renewables.

What was interesting though was the CO2 displacement depending on car size "For example a small electric car displaces 24 tons of CO₂ while a medium, large and executive EVs displace respectively 32-37 tons, 45-54 tons and 63-68 tons (depending if compared to a gasoline or diesel car)", which throws a massive spanner into the idea we should all be driving tiny cars and not massive SUV's which does make sense when you think about it.

The statements "LCA is an inadequate tool for vehicle emission standards" and "LCAs are inherently uncertain" certainly underlines the idea that they are cleaner but not clean - we just don't really know by how much, which was the point I was trying to make in the first place.

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disembodied_voice@reddit

Yet The cost of green energy: lithium mining’s impact on nature and people

As per the lifecycle analysis I cited, lithium mining only accounts for less than 2.3% of an EV's overall environmental impact.

Although the EV life cycle analysis you linked to confirms that in an ideal situation EV's might leverage a 62% reduction in CO2 emissions, they also state that this can drop as far as 22% less CO2 than diesel in the EU (Imported batteries and Polish power stations). As I said although EV's are cleaner, they aren't exactly clean to run until we shift to 100% renewables

And yet even in the worst case scenario you cited, EVs are still cleaner.

The statements "LCA is an inadequate tool for vehicle emission standards" and "LCAs are inherently uncertain" certainly underlines the idea that they are cleaner but not clean - we just don't really know by how much

onetimeuselong@reddit

400 mile real winter range small sports car.

Like the Alpine A290 sized, but with 400miles on a charge in winter.

I won’t.

Will never earn enough to buy brand new to justify any monthly lease cost, and am I fuck wasting decent money on a 2nd hand one whose battery life is completely ruined.

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Asoxus@reddit

Battery life of more recent evs exceeds 300k miles or 20 years… it’s a myth that second hand ones are completely shagged

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luckyrubberducker@reddit

Why are there only 2 EVs above 200k miles on autotrader?

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Asoxus@reddit

Not entirely sure what point you're trying to make?

How many ICE cars are there on autotrader over 200k miles?

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luckyrubberducker@reddit

I'm just trying to understand the true longevity of EVs, I'll believe all these claims of 400k miles once I start seeing more examples of that kind of mileage

I bought an EV 3 weeks ago and in that time 2 of the remaining 6 public chargers in my town have stopped working, making a total of 12 that are not working and 4 that are. Which is... Annoying

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Rowdy_Roddy_2022@reddit

I don't think that's fair. I'm on that sub quite a bit and people are very aware that if you can't charge at home and/or at work, EV ownership is a hard sell.

The government needs to step in on public charging prices because we're being taken for mugs and paying far more than other countries in Europe for the exact same infrastructure.

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boomerangchampion@reddit

In fairness there are questions virtually every day on that sub from people who can't charge at home and the unanimous response is always "you won't save any money"

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Fine_Cress_649@reddit

Yeah but it neednt be that way. It's slowing the adoption and it goes against a sense of natural justice if people who can afford driveways can save a load of money compared to povvos like me who can't.

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NotSayingAliensBut@reddit

I don't believe that they will ever be cheaper to run, because the government will claw back what they're currently losing and will continue to lose in fuel duty and emission-based VED if more people move to EV's. It's already started with duty on hybrids. Then when they have ramped up the taxes they will say, 'look, EV's are as cheap to run as ice!' because that's how governments work.

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PatchcordAdams@reddit

I bought an EV for £2k and it’s 32 times cheaper to run than my petrol*. Absolutely insane really.

The infrastructure thing is valid though. That price difference comes from solar+overnight combo.

It’ll get sorted eventually and I reckon we’ll end up with price parity to petrol and rapid charging available everywhere. It’ll be decades though.

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StampyScouse@reddit

Many of them already are, if you do some research, several new EVs are cheaper than their petrol equivalents, and the used EV market is significantly better than what it used to be.

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notouttolunch@reddit

This is only half of the requirement.

Also, that Chinese shite like BYD and Jellycoo doesn't count.

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StampyScouse@reddit

I ain't talking about BYD and Jaecoo, I was talking about actual western brands, Ford, Vauxhall, etc. And I never said it was the whole solution either, I just said that they're not as expensive as people still percieve them to be.

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Tomby_93@reddit

The cost is currently basically directly related to whether you live somewhere with a drive. With a drive = cheaper running costs than current ICE. Without a drive = higher running costs than current ICE.

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ShareCrafty5822@reddit

Drive at least four times a year from pompy to Edinburgh, can I do that journey on a single charge ? If so I would consider it. Can do quite comfortably on over a quarter of a tank in my current car, diesel ⛽️

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Ok-Notice-6092@reddit

Its amazing how many people seem to drive from lands end to john o'groats and back everyday when the issue of EV's comes up.

If you have a driveway and are in the market for a new car then an EV is pretty much a no brainer. I've just got mine and wish I jumped a lot sooner.

I do around 15,000 miles a year but maybe once a year I do a journey of over 150 miles. So an EV is perfect for for 99.9% of my journeys.

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Phoenix_Kerman@reddit

when they have physical controls and no touchscreen, don't want to connect to a phone and don't have forced lane assist or braking

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GooseyDuckDuck@reddit

That’s almost every car, not just EV.

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Phoenix_Kerman@reddit

i wouldn't buy any car with those issues

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RubberDucky882@reddit

I do not plan to unless the battery tech changes from Lithium, (batteries that big made out of Lithium should not exist) the range increases a lot, and the charge time actually gets realistic and the charging infrastructure actually gets better. Unfortunately Net Zero policies will make the charging infrastructure needed a no no.

I will stick with my 2 V6's on the drive, one costs £740 a year in car tax, still rather pay that than have a soulless, boring. heavy depreciating, awkward to live with EV.

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RefrigeratorOk8237@reddit

I just put a deposit down on a used one this weekend. The wife and I decided at least one of our cars needed to be non-petrol.

Been thinking about it for a while and the Iran/petrol situation has pushed me over the edge.

When I went took my test drive the EV dealer was rammed - they sold at least three while we were there! (We're in the sleepy Somerset countryside)

The PCP is £120 less per month than my outgoing Tucson and hopefully I'll be saving on the £70-80 a month in putting in the tank.

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Zooport21@reddit

Bought a 71 plate MX-30 a few months ago, the other cars a 3.5 v6 Alphard. Did about 630 miles last month and it cost me £17 in electric the same trips in the Alphard would have cost me £247.

It’s great having both but I could 100% go all in on a bigger EV now I’ve tested the waters.

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JoPOWz@reddit

When there's something worth buying.

I don't want an SUV, and I don't want a tiny car with no range. When there's more choice of car-sized cars with medium-long range, or some more options in the 2-seater-sporty category than just MG's "funky doors" cyberster, then it'll be a lot more appealing.

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EyeAware3519@reddit

Currently on my third. I'm a proper petrol head too but I just prefer the instant torque of an EV. Cost savings are nice but if I was a proper skinflint I'd get a £1500 shitbox.

Have a look for Ioniq Electric 38 kWh, Kona EVs and Kia e-niro's - all great range cars that you'll be able to find within your price range.

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" I won't dignify the rest of your waffle with a reply "

Thats a great was to concede when you know you are wrong.

" why do you think 96% of all cars sold in Norway are now an EV? You seem keen to dodge the exact fact that you're an edge case and very much in the minority with your reluctance to get one. "

Wtf are you waffling now? What do you think we are even discussing? Ill answer your question once you answer the last one I sent.....

" Can you please quote me where I said EV is wrong? I said that financially it doesnt make sense for me to buy one at the moment "

LowerPick7038@reddit

Right. So its a £30+k car.........and you are giving it back in 3 years. " the savings in fuel are great "

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sillwuka@reddit (OP)

No more waiting for the inevitable next repair bill for the Landy!

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Chance_Somewhere_826@reddit

Yeah the £4.5k to get it through its last mot wasn’t fun 😭

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frithrar@reddit

Probably the same year as Leeds gets trams.

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I got my EV just after paying off my previous car, for me the monthly payments broke even after 80k miles in fuel savings, that is now about 60k miles

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spardha@reddit

What did you get?

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Mattman254@reddit

BYD Seal, on HP with PartX from my Mercedes

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mkaym1993@reddit

I live in a fist so have no way of charging it at home. Until I do I would never get one

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Next - have my eyes on a model Y second hand, purely because I have a large driveway and only commute 4 or 5 miles a day

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Never

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profprimer@reddit

Given the catastrophic levels of depreciation on premium EVs, the fact that I own three old ICE cars worth a £6k deposit, and diesel is nearly £10/gallon, I can afford to buy a two year old Audi Q4 e-tron with 12,000 miles on it and be a net £200 a month ahead on the deal. Once I strip out my current VED and fuel costs, it turns out that I’ll be getting a free premium EV and cash back each month.

When someone makes one I want to buy, I currently have a Discovery Sport as I live in a rural area and have a big dog to take to muddy places.

When someone makes an EV with a flat boot floor, almost-vertical bootlid, 300 mile+ range, physical heater controls and 4WD I'll seriously look into but so far nothing ticks all those boxes so I'm sticking where I am.

I'm sure someone will make one soon (Defender Sport coming out next year) but until they do EV is off the table, as are most ICE cars to be fair.

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sillwuka@reddit (OP)

I'm sure LR are aware there's a market for current customers looking for similar practicality of their current cars on an EV platform like you said, I'd be very interested too

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Tall-Reputation-9519@reddit

The Fiskar Ocean was looking like a great car and I almost went and looked at buying one but didn't need to change at the time, then they went bust so that's no longer an option!

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LordDethBeard@reddit

Never.

But that is mostly down to not having a divers licence.

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Imperial_Squid@reddit

Have you bought EV cars?

Vill you buy EV cars?

Vhen vill you buy EV cars?

(General context and specific reference for those who need it)

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jd8585@reddit

Id buy one tomorrow if I could charge it.

Am in a apartment building, and directly asked the housing association for permission to install a charger, or if they have plans to do so, and answer was no to both.

They'll need to find a way to get convenient and cheap charging available to the masses without driveways to make EV more attractive.

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Civil_Classroom6399@reddit

We are currently looking into it, we have an a6 diesel currently (with a small personal loan at 230 a months) and we do around 250-300 a month on fuel. So by my math if I can get somthing for around 450 a month im saving money (man maths). But im still not convinced about it, out a6 will fill up and get 800-900 miles on a steady run ( i know you dont do that in one stint). I just cant get my head over the range anxiety thing. Got an id3 as a courtesy car when my caddy went in for some warrenty stuff and I was shocked how fast it lost its range. But it was freezing outside and knowing I only had about 30 miles round trip I blasted every bit of heating (it was cold).

CitroenUK@reddit

On my second. It's only practicable if you have home charging. I'll never go back to ice cars.

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DamMofoUsername@reddit

I bought a 2014 ford fiesta 1.2 for £7k in 2018, £30 road tax, 44mpg in London, serviced it myself, changed the lower control arms (£30 each) the car owns me nothing it’s been reliable and cheap for 8 years without any monthly payments. I think the term ‘cheap’ has lost its meaning

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summerwine75@reddit

When you can buy one for £1,000

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improbableneighbour@reddit

When there are long range high quality estate second hand EVs for less than 25K and 3 years old. The ID7 is about 5k£ away from that price so in about a year.

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reni-chan@reddit

My diesel car is fully paid off, annual tax is £20, I service it myself, does on average 55-60mpg, and a 50L tank of diesel often lasts me 1-2 months.

Even though I have a driveway and would love an EV, it makes 0 economic sense to switch right now or anytime soon.

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EccentricDyslexic@reddit

Been all electric for 4 years now. Solar on roof, WFH a leaf and a Tesla charge for free.

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rupertbarnes@reddit

I have no problem with en EV. I think most hate towards them is driven by petrol heads and I drive a fantastic ICE car that cannot be replicated. Also it’s bought and paid for so effectively free, even if I have the odd cost on repairs.

I’m also a high mile driver at weird times so charging in the night at an expensive services would be a pain. If I was a commuter, less than 25 miles each way and needed a new car then an EV would be perfect. I think many of the anti battery claims are fuelled by haters. Infact one of each where local short trips and driving about are EV then long work trips with the diesel.

That’s how I see it.

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RedactedStatement89@reddit

Never. Fuck 'em

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sillwuka@reddit (OP)

You'll be waiting another 10 years+ before they hit that depreciation rock bottom but I get you totally

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Daveddozey@reddit

It won’t though -the batteries are worth more outside of a car.

Need batteries to drop another order of magnitude in cost at least.

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Good_Ad_1386@reddit

When there is one that functionally duplicates what my current car does at a price I can justify. I am not holding my breath.

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Heathy94@reddit

I bought one last year. Was weighing up what car to get next after my diesel, was thinking of getting a hybrid but as I looked into it more I thought they were pretty pointless and decided to jump straight in and go full electric.

I obviously have a driveway so can charge cheap overnight and I don't think I'd ever go back to a regular car. I know us EV owners can sound like 'stereotypical vegans' harping on about the benefits and how great they are and how everyone is missing out but a lot of people genuinely are.

Every time I drive past a petrol station now and see diesel at £1.96.9, like this morning, I just think thank god I'm not paying that anymore. Last night I added 40% charge to my car and put the dishwasher on before bed, it cost me £1.17.

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Turbulent_Pace_2388@reddit

I recently changed from a 2017 Mercedes GLE 250d to a three-year-old Tesla Model Y Performance.

It’s still early days, but so far I don’t regret it at all. To be fair, it’s the best car I’ve ever driven.

I was sceptical beforehand, but we now do relatively low and irregular miles, so it works well for us. I do a lot of miles for work, but that’s in a diesel Transit van and I don’t pay for the fuel.

It is a bit extravagant to just ferry the kids to school and go to the supermarket but it does make it more exciting.

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zephyrmox@reddit

When/if my flat block gets at home charging. I'm in no real rush.

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theegrimrobe@reddit

when hell freezes over

or they make batteries that are a lot more efficient and a lot SAFER than the current ones

so likely hell

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Avionykx@reddit

When I can charge cheaply, efficiently and quickly away from home, and when there's a charging solution that allows those without driveways and guaranteed parking outside their homes to charge.

Currently, even in a relatively large town, the two EV charging places I drive past (with the 150KWh chargers) on my average commutes, will get clogged up quite heavily with works vans in an evening.
The local energy companies and Fibre companies seem to have switched to electric vans and, at least since Christmas, there's been all the charging bays filled with them from about 5pm onwards, and a queue for other vehicles to charge.

I was at the petrol station at 11pm last Wednesday and a bloke was sat there in his EV saying he'd had to wait 2 hours to get on a bay and needed a full charge because he had a big trip the next day.

I'm sure not every charging experience is like that but it sounds like a bit of a pain in the backside to me.

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yyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet@reddit

I’m on my third EV now. Id never go back to petrol/diesel now.

dickybeau01@reddit

I moved to an EV in 2019. Never going back. Cheapest motoring because I can charge overnight at home. It would be a nightmare without that.

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underwater-sunlight@reddit

We were considering one a couple of months ago as a lease option, but we still have a year left on our car loan and im still concerned about visiting my family north of the border as home charging isn't an option there and local charging points are sparse.

With solar panels and the wife working from home most days, we could charge in the day for next to nothing but its the longer journeys to friends and family that pose issues. Holidays are manageable as most locations now have EVCP and as more rapid charging stations pop up, charging on longer journeys shouldn't be too bad so I think our next car might just be electric - although the government's bait and switch by promising that they are the cheaper option, then adding on additional charges makes me second guess myself

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Comfortable_Tank1771@reddit

When IC cars become unavailable or unreasonably expensive.

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Dazza477@reddit

Just bought a 2022 CX-30 this March with a 5-year loan term, so perhaps after that.

The benefits of them appear to be reducing with road tax requirements (even though it's based on emissions??), government grants reducing, energy prices increasing, slow charge time (compared to fuel), and generally more expensive.

Negatives appear to outweigh the positives at the moment. We shall see in 5 years' time.

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Pericombobulator@reddit

I have given it real consideration, based on the current oil price debacle.

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crispysnugglekitties@reddit

We did about three weeks ago due to the war.

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sockeyejo@reddit

When I can afford one (will take a very long time)

and

When I live somewhere that I can charge one with a dedicated charger instead of an extension lead passed through my window and down the driveway (i.e. when I own my house with a driveway or garage... probably never)

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apfm141@reddit

When I can do at least 450miles in one go and if I need to charge it to full it takes no more than 10minutes.

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BlueOvalRacer@reddit

I will buy an EV when there’s literally no petrol or diesel left to fuel ICE cars and if no one has thought of another fuel source, hydrogen etc. If it gets to that stage (I’d be surprised if it did) though I’d probably just get public transport everywhere. I have no interest in driving a microwave on wheels.

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Whole-Strawberry3281@reddit

I will delay it as long as I can, I love petrol and charging isnt practical for me since I park on a street where I often have to pay for parking as they run out of permit space

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TheTreeDweller@reddit

Had one for four years now, never had an issue with charging and the "costs" of public chargers. Have used it driving across the country Glasgow-London for an example and zero issues. That 30mins charge = sensible break from driving to eat and hydrate.

Maintenance costs? One air filter and two tyres(due to a nail puncture) since getting it.

Junior-Tap-8503@reddit

Both my EVs are from 2021 and have 90% battery health; when looking at used EVs you just check if they’ve had a battery health check 🤷🏽‍♂️

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PatchcordAdams@reddit

I own a 2015 plate Leaf. It’s a dinosaur compared to modern cars which thermally manage batteries. It still has 11/12 bars of battery. I’ve looked after it. Genuinely reckon it’s got another 7-odd years.

I think that a lot of people who live in houses with driveways just don't understand or realise the problems that less well off people have with the whole electric car situation.

Of course, people who live in houses with drives are probably more able to get an electric vehicle.

I was once well off, got divorced, now living in a second floor flat. No way I'd be able to charge my car when I can't usually park on my street at all. I really don't know what we're expected to do.

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Daveddozey@reddit

People who store their property for free on public land?

Fortunatly a majority.

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Nebulousdbc@reddit

Yup, the whole EV debacle really rams home those that are well off can save even more money, yet people that don't have a driveway either have to pay petrol prices or pay comparable fast charging station rates.

Oh and let's not forget those on higher incomes are likely to be offered EVs on salary sacrifice further increasing the savings between upper/maybe middle management compared to the lower level employees

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Glimmerousdream_@reddit

I have no plans to buy a new car as there’s nothing wrong with my 20 plate petrol Fiesta at the moment - buying a new car when I don’t need one feels a bit counterintuitive to the whole environmental benefits of an ev.

I’d consider an EV or Hybrid for my next vehicle whenever that is, but the price needs to be right.

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I've done a fair few 300mi trips in mine (Manchester to Cornwall/Devon/London/Edinburgh/Cardiff). You can get a fast charge and after about half an hour you're genuinely good to go. By the time you've nipped to the loo and got some food/drink you're pretty much done, I just schedule a break in at a sensible time (about 2/3 way in) and factor the extra half hour in. Almost all serviced stations have multiple fast chargers now, and there are even super fast charging hubs in a few places now which are often dead, it's great.

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the01li3@reddit

Stopping for 30 mins with a dog in the car isn't really the way to go, then finding a place I can eat with the dog in there. I have room to charge at either end but it's still a lot to trust the charge to last.

I get EV is a good way to go, but it's JUST not there for me yet. Give it an extra few miles, some extra car designs so they actually look different and I'd happily jump on the EV wagon.

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Daveddozey@reddit

300 miles is a 5 hour drive. You should be stopping for half an hour to walk the dog anyway.

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the01li3@reddit

It is, I do, not for 30 mins. She's getting a big of an old girl and can't do 30 mins on a normal day let alone in some new environment.

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tomatta@reddit

This is such a niche problem to present as some kind of criticism for EVs. Setting aside the EV debate, are you saying you regularly drive for 6 hours non stop with a dog in the boot? I bet the dog wouldn't mind a pit stop to stretch his legs.

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the01li3@reddit

"for me" I had already stated that its not really criticism of EVs as a whole and would annoy me in this niche scenario.

Never.

I live in a flat with no charging facilities. I work part time delivering food so wouldn't be able to charge between my main job and that one.

For me the problem with it EVS isn't so much that they're electrically run it's a combination of the cost (even second hand) and the driving experience.

We have them at work and I just do not like driving them, everything is on screen behind a menu and they're all different. Take any car from a decade or more ago and they're all basically the same to drive. If you can drive one safely you can drive them all without having to read the manual to work out how to turn the wipers on.

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VagabondOfLancashire@reddit

I love buying 25+ year old cars too much

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Radiant-Mycologist72@reddit

I kinda want EV's to be publicly chargeable as quickly as an ICE vehicle.

I spoke to a guy from the AA who said he recovered an EV that had gone to a charging station but it was not working and so had to be recovered to the next nearest. The problem was, because the other charging station had broken down, there was increased demand on the working one. The dude was going on holiday and had his family in the car and they were stuck at this charging station for 8 hours.

We do have a salary sacrifice car scheme too, but as it stands my monthly costs would almost double if I were to upgrade. I have become far too used to driving a cheap to insure and run shitbox.

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arabidopsis@reddit

As soon as I can afford one.

I'm waiting on the EV cayenne to try but if that isn't great, I'm going back to my Taycan

When oil runs dry. But I doubt it’ll happen in my lifetime.

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RaidersGunz@reddit

Im buying my first EV in December. It will be a polestar2.

Ive worked it out that my costs will be £100 per month to charge it vs £300 on petrol per month. Much better off.

This pay per mile will hurt me though.

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ygbjammy@reddit

When there are some reasonably priced used models which are a decent family size with a big boot. Only thing under £10k at the moment seems to be the mg5 which is a small estate in the grand scheme of things. After that maybe an Enyaq or ID4 but they're still over £10k. So holding on to my ICE car until the prices on those drop more, or until the cars currently at nearer £20k (e.g the electric 308sw) drop down a bit.

I figure that the longer I hold onto my ICE car, the more numerous and better options I'll have for an EV

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OldLondon@reddit

This year made the switch and id never go back. However public charging infrastructure needs to massively improve IMHO

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sideone@reddit

If you're charging at home for the majority of the time, public chargers seem fine for long journeys. Plenty at supermarkets, car parks and motorway services. Sainsbury's ones are usually a bit cheaper and decent.

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If it ever becomes economic to have one when buying an old used car

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ChangingMonkfish@reddit

Switched three years ago it works well because I can charge at home and have an Octopus EV tariff with 5p per kWh between 11:30pm and 5:30am.

If you can’t charge at home, it’s probably still cheaper to charge on a public charger than buy petrol or diesel, but requires more planning then just filling the tank in two minutes.

Range is increasing though and charging times are coming down, it’s still a relatively new technology and as it matures, I’ve no doubt most people will just naturally transition.

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ProfPMJ-123@reddit

I switched in 2018, and if I ignore the fact I’m in the market for a Caterham 7, just for a laugh, I’ve had my last ICE car.

My original EV was a Nissan Leaf that was bought just to do the commute, but what it let me realize was just how much more convenient EVs are (if you can charge at home) than ICE cars.

If you can charge at home, unless you have highly unusual driving needs, an EV would be better for you now.

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1Marmalade@reddit

If you can see good in the Lead, you’ll love a modern/fast EV. They are a world apart.

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Ill-Recognition2054@reddit

This is us. We got a Leaf 18 months ago to test the EV world and while we think its great as a commuter car (100 miles a week) its also got its limitations (as have most things in life).

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Willeth@reddit

When I can easily charge at home. I'd have one already if I wouldn't be trailing a cable through my letterbox and in front of the neighbour's front door.

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Getoiu@reddit

I got one and I love it BUT I upgraded to three phase to make it work and for now it’s £30 per month to charge.

For reference we have 4 cars in the family - Petrol, Diesel, Hybrid and Electric. They all make sense for a specific use. It’s important what’s best in your case and not just switch because they say we must - i.e. old person who drives to the grocery store once a week doesn’t need to invest in an expensive EV and a small petrol car is financially more sensible choice.

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jaypalmer2000@reddit

Never

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4BennyBlanco4@reddit

Hopefully never.

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NeddTwo@reddit

Never. Fully electric cars are not the way forward. There's NEVER going to be the infrastructure or generating capacity in place to satisfy the needs of 40+ million cars.

Hybrid is the way forward. My friend is still running his Toyota Prius over 20 years after buying it. It never needs plugging in as it charges itself, so it never runs out of electric power.

I have already owned one and sold it because it was more expensive and less reliable.

I would consider it again when I can get one for about 5-10 grand like I can an ICE car. Something decent, not the equivalent of a Yaris / Mondeo etc.

I've been driving an EV for a year and average about 2K miles a month. I have a charger at home, but only use it at weekends due to my work schedule. Even the most heinous motorway chargers are still substantively less expensive per mile that any ICE or hybrid ICE car that i've had.

“For under 10k”

I mean let’s at least try to have some realistic expectations.

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04housemat@reddit

Do that regularly?

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stewieatb@reddit

Weekly.

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04housemat@reddit

Kia EV9, Polestar 3, BMW iX4, Tesla Model X?

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stewieatb@reddit

Will they tow the trailer in that image for 2hrs/120 miles on a charge?

Given that I get about half the fuel economy towing at 60 that I do driving at 70, and that EVs don't achieve anything like their official range when driving on motorways anyway, the answer is no.

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Toodle-Peep@reddit

IX4 has a 400 mile range so.. It's probably capable.. It's not doing it for 10k though!

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sneakyhopskotch@reddit

This comments section has made me realise how thoroughly pervasive disinformation and misinformation are.

So many different situations and opinions are being justified by straight up incorrect facts or assumptions.

There are plenty of reasons to drive an ICE. The main one for most people has got to be “I already have one that works.” If you want to keep driving your ICE car that is a fine enough reason by itself. But being closed off to EVs because they are EVs and then justifying your take based on what you think is true instead of actually trying it or looking into it faithfully to see how it could work, just results in a whole lot of confirmation bias. It’s frustrating because people who are genuinely looking into their options get flummoxed by all the mis- and disinformation.

To answer the post: I am leasing my first EV. The infrastructure is there. Of course it can improve but it’s long past the “good enough” point for all but niche use cases. It’s much better if you can home charge but if you can’t it is still often the best option. I did that for months. With the right tariff and some household load shifting, an EV can earn you money in fuel costs. Not saves money on fuel, I mean give you more. Range anxiety is in your mind, you’ll get over it. The driving experience is incomparable. It’s not bike : e-bike, it’s car : spaceship. I still see value in driving manual ICE cars although I’m not sure why bar nostalgia. Good EVs aren’t really old enough yet to have £1000 bangers so if that’s your budget then that’s that really. But there are insanely cheap old Leafs going around and they are decent options for the price.

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The_JimJam@reddit

I'd love to.

But my current car just works (2011 Peugeot 107) and I don't have the choice to charge at home or work.

When the 107 dies (hopefully not soon) I'll likely be learning towards a cheap hybrid next. While hoping more small electrics come out (with buttons and not touchscreen-for-everything). Seeing the Renault 5 do well gives me confidence for the future in that regard

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Asoxus@reddit

When our government approves FSD.

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IndividualCurious322@reddit

Never. I don't drive.

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offensive_ferret@reddit

When I can charge one up as fast as I can fill a tank up. When I can get an affordable estate car second hand for £1500 (what I paid for my current astra estate). When they're as easily user serviced and repaired as conventional cars are providing you use a bit of uncommon sense.

Don't have a drive so not yet

But, if we was to go all in and make more charging spots then it's a no brainer.

I'd love an EV and it might even be possible to charge at home from a standard mains plug (live in a flat). For long journeys/big top ups though I'd be stuck with public charging.

martini1294@reddit

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tribordercollie@reddit

Do you let your ICEV get to running on fumes before filling it up? If so, fair point. If not however…

It’s the same concept with an EV. No need to try to use the whole “tank” before refilling it.

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fatcakesabz@reddit

Mate of mine describes the different thought process required when owning an EV as the ABC of ev ownership.

Always Be Charging

How can I own electric, I would love to, but I’m not wasting my money. Even on current prices I wouldn’t save that much money ditching diesel. As soon as it makes sense to me I will do it

And if the 3p a mile comes in for ev tax then a low tax diesel gets even more appealing.

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alphahydra@reddit

I bought a 21 plate MG5 in 2024. Prior to that, I drove a 12 year old Peugeot 508. With that car, I spent £200-250 a month on diesel. With the MG5 and a home EV charging tarrif, I do the same mileage for about £30 a month.

I think the cost for the car, and to have a 7kw charging point installed, was just over £12k all in. The ICE estate cars I was considering of a similar age and mileage were about £8k.

So, two years in, I'm pretty much at break even point versus the ICE options I was looking at (high upfront cost for EV vs higher ongoing cost for diesel). And that's not taking into account the fact that overnight charging on an EV tariff is a lot less volatile than diesel prices.

I haven't noticed any drop in range during that time, and am happy to keep driving this for several years to come. I would be very surprised if I ended up at more than £2k per on the purchase price.

Granted it doesn't get anything like 700 miles on a charge. More like 200.

My one big downside is operators of public chargers not always keeping on top of maintenance. You might arrive at a public charging park to find half of the chargers out of action, and then have to queue for the remaining ones. Which might mean waiting half an hour for a family to finish up at MacDonalds. That's only happened a couple of times to me though, when going on long holiday road trips, but it is a headache that's unique to EVs.

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scandibedclothes@reddit

A small point of your comment but - your home does have a charger already, every socket on the wall can become one.

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Belterhaze31@reddit

When I’m forced to, until then I’m more than happy where I’m at, they’d never work for me, some weeks I do 500 miles some weeks it’s 1500. Just thinking about trying to charge one on those miles makes my brain hurt

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hhfugrr3@reddit

I've done that in my EV - it's two years old and has nearly 60,000 miles on it. The first 34,000 went on in year 1. Not really a problem. If anything it can be faster than an ICE car because the car charges when I'm in the services so I don't have to make a second stop for petrol any more.

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Belterhaze31@reddit

Thing is though, I don’t want to have to wait at a services if I’ve got somewhere to be, that’s why it’d never work for me

I have a driveway. I can charge cheap. I have a PHEV i use for commute and its fine but i have a very old ICE too that is horrible when it comes to fuel economy and maintenance....

I want an EV i just don't have the money. I like owning cars and running them into the ground, i don't like leasing. I think leasing its a waste of.money.

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LordAnchemis@reddit

When I move to a place with a charging point

It will definitely be our next car. We don't have a driveway, but we're not on a street with pavements so that will be fine. A couple of neighbours already have set-ups. Fuck being beholden to oil and gas. Next stop plug-in solar panels.

Also a heat pump for my Dad who has oil heating due to no mains gas. With the grants, it will pay for itself in a year, with the price of oil now.

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Thank you, that's really helpful. We keep the heat pretty constant for Dad with a thermostat, so that should work fine.

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Junior-Tap-8503@reddit

Never going back to petrol/diesel

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Parker4815-2@reddit

The cost of replacing a battery in an EV is at least £6k for the smallest ones. Eventually, they'll need replacing as the range gets worse and worse. Like using a laptop.

When that price goes down, maybe.

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Middle--Earth@reddit

I don't want one.

I don't have a driveway, nowhere to fit a charger, and I don't agree with the cost of human misery involved in mining the heavy metals for the batteries.

I'd buy a hydrogen car, no problem.

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leah_amelia@reddit

Hydrogen cars still use batteries, it's just that said battery is charged by a fuel cell which is powered by hydrogen.

That said, battery chemistries are changing to get rid of cobalt from their mixtures to try addressing this. Even if EVs didn't exist, the minerals needed to make other types of batteries and circuit boards for computers would still necessitate their mining. As time goes on, we'll get past the need for the heavy metals for batteries. There's a reason they're a lot safer than they used to be.

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reelmonkey@reddit

I am not sure when I can afford one. I would like a newer car. Got a 2016 Auris at the moment. But I would like to get solar panels and battery storage on the roof. That would be expensive as well. I am not sure what would be better. I would hate to get solar panels and the cost of that just for the car to need something expensive that would mean it would be better to get a secondhand EV.

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CptBananaPants@reddit

Around 3 years ago. It ties in very well with my solar, battery, and Heatpump so that all in my utilities come to £1 a month.

Recently my supplier, Octopus, reduced the rates too.

IF you can charge at home, they’re fantastic. If you can’t…yeah, I don’t think the country is there yet. A shame, as other countries seem to have dealt with the problem.

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resistBat@reddit

If you get Octopus agile then you save money if you're willing to pay attention to the rates. Looking at the price history over the last couple of weeks you could probably charge exclusively on negative rates if you're averaging less than 10 miles per day.

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EcoNorfolk@reddit

Bought my first EV in 2018 .

You guys crack me up.

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twirling_daemon@reddit

I’ve never wanted to buy a new car, I’m not interested in a monthly payment and I’ve not yet seen any electrics I’d want (my preference is large hatchbacks, I can role with a saloon - neither seem to really exist in this landscape) and currently I don’t have an easy way to charge so I can’t see it happening

I’m hoping my current car goes on for many years because I really do love him and fits 99% of my needs so I’m planning to keep going until there’s no hope/reasoning to keep repairs up

I’m hoping this one keeps going for long enough that it’s not really a choice tbh so hopefully many, many years 😂

Mountain-Bat-9808@reddit

No because in my state we have hurricanes and sometimes we are without of electricity for days or even months. Case in point the New Orleans area and the Mississippi gulf coast after Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Rita also Lake Charles got hit with hurricanes back to back within a year. No I wouldn’t so we one

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Omadster@reddit

Im going to wait and see what the government's are going to do about the lost revenue from petrol diesal sales , I think there will be a tax on charging , or something of that nature in the near future

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na481@reddit

When the used EV market matures. It’s currently still £15k+ for most decent EVs, slowly reaching £10k+

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danddersson@reddit

I am running a diesel Volvo V90 2018 (best car I have driven).

I am pretty certain my next car will be a full EV.

I recently refurbished my house, and when the floor was up, I ran a suitable cable from the meter (understairs cupboard in the middle of the house) under the hallway and dining room to the driveway.

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English_Joe@reddit

Last week. Not a single regret

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Cold_Raspberry520@reddit

Never my husband is a master technician. Those cars are very expensive 🫰 to fix and break a lot easier

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ThingyGoos@reddit

Hopefully never

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Arbycutter@reddit

I currently drive a transit tipper for work. You pricked my interest, a new tipper equivalent looking at £30-50k

Hmmm probably not for a while then

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IanM50@reddit

Awoken1729@reddit

I sold my Ford Focus 1.8 Petrol Zetec from 2009 and bought a Skoda Enyaq IV 60 three weeks ago. I'm loving it - already made two big road trips of more than 600 miles and both were easy with a short stop of 20-30 minutes now and again for charging. I love this car - especially the adaptive cruise control. Diving electric is so much easier and being able to fuel up at home is a dream. They arent for everyone - lack of home charging, the expensive public charging network and the neex for 500+ mile range daily for some means they dont fit all jobs yet but the technology & infrastructure is constantly improving.

Despite having told me she'd never get an electric car the year before, my wife ditched her 2015 Ford Focus Zetec and bought a 2022 Kia E-Niro.

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ToffeeAppleCider@reddit

Mid thirties and only just learning to drive. I'd decided to go automatic for simplicity, and EV for home charging. It's looking like that was the right choice, but I've still got 4 months till my actual test. Hopefully the political climate settles down and the price of EVs doesn't double before then.

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sgst@reddit

When I can afford a new (to me) car. More likely is when our current 2014 Golf dies and we have to get a new one.

I've wanted an EV for many years now, but have never been able to afford one.

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Excellent-Day7461@reddit

When I can afford one.

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BewareTheMoonLads@reddit

Never, I live in a terrace house with a busy pavement outside my house so I’ll never be able to charge

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Nebulousdbc@reddit

When they stop looking dopey and fugly. Actually that's just all new cars.

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oli_ramsay@reddit

Never

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Specialist_Emu7274@reddit

If I had my own driveway I maybe would. But right now petrol is so much more convenient for my lifestyle. Plus my car is from 2012 and the newest car I’ve ever owned

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Ill-Basil2863@reddit

I have an 06 diesel and a 14 diesel and they are giving me nothing but headaches with the poor emissions systems. Will go back to petrol before EV. I love on a narrow terraced street and will never be able to charge a car.

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highrouleur@reddit

I'm still on a 2006 subaru. When this dies I'm probably going for a cheap hybrid. I normally look to buy used under £5000 and big enough to fit a bike in the back without having to take wheels off and with fittings for roof bars so I can carry a kayak. So it's gonna be a while before full EVs are in my consideration.

Got nothing against them. I drive an EV work van which is brilliant, just a matter of affordability for me

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Bought one in 2021. Love it and would never go back so bought a second one in 2025.

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Curious-Term9483@reddit

I'm in the "parking on the street 50 meters from my house" camp. So until the infrastructure changes it's not going to be practical for me to have an EV.

My current petrol vehicle is doing just fine. It's 9 years old now and I hope I have a few years before I get to "cheaper to replace than fix" territory. So I imagine I will get one more 2 year old petrol car and see where we are at in 10 years or so?

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reddit_recluse@reddit

Bought a Tesla last month right before fuel prices spiked

Yes I'm smug

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project46@reddit

I went from electric to plug in hybrid last month before fuel prices spiked.

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HeartyBeast@reddit

Tesla’s a poisoned brand for me at this point.

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Free_Ad7415@reddit

I love mine. And I don’t have a home charger, I just charge it when I’m walking the dog or getting coffee or groceries and it’s no issue

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When the government subsidises one enough that i can get a 4x4 pickup truck EV, at zero expense, swap my diesel for it, job done.. Until then. Nah m8.

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mpsamuels@reddit

My next car will almost inevitably be an EV but I'm in no rush to replace what I'm driving at the moment.

I don't owe any finance etc on what I've got and maintenance hasn't been costing too much so I'll probably keep running it until it becomes less viable.

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SometimesMonkeysDie@reddit

Mortgage is due for renewal in 3 years. Going to see if we can borrow a bit extra and get solar panels. Probably won't need to be ferrying my kids around then either, so won't need a 7 seater, so I'll get an EV then

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idonthavebroadband@reddit

In my past four cars I replaced three alternators, two gearboxes, five batteries, two clutches, two fuel pumps and one coolant system. I'm sick to death of petrol and I'd never go back.

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robinscotland@reddit

I have two - the other half bought his a month after I bought mine as he fell in love with it. Mine is a 4 year old polestar and his is a new ford Explorer.

Tbh any ev made in the last 5 years doesn't have the battery issues if older evs. You see people with polestar and tesla with moon miles now and they're just fine.

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VariousBeat9169@reddit

3 years ago. Best decision re a car I’ve ever made.

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_arch_tech@reddit

Never. Just ordered a new D350 Defender. Diesel all the way baby.

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elom44@reddit

When this car goes belly up I might see if I can manage without one. My new place has no parking and one of the hourly car rental companies has just started operating where I live. An EV would be nice but I have nowhere to charge one.

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Anubis1958@reddit

I need to see next gen batteries: longer range, faster charging. We really have no idea how long these EV batteries are going to last, because changing them is way more expensive than changing an engine.

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knittedbeast@reddit

Every car we've had has been at least 20 years old when we got it, and all of them were mid-priced when they were new. So I guess when the mid-priced electric cars hid 20 years old.

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_studio_sounds_@reddit

I can’t see it happening any time soon. It would be a huge expense, and with job security feeling shaky, higher taxes, and household disposable income under real pressure, it just doesn’t feel like the moment to take on that kind of cost.

There’s not much incentive for me either. I’m not convinced it makes environmental sense to replace a perfectly usable petrol car yet, the charging setup still doesn’t feel good enough for my needs, and electricity is hardly cheap.

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Airurando-jin@reddit

If the cost of diesel keeps going up, that incentive may come sooner

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Frohus@reddit

when the range is bigger, more predictable and recharging takes as long as refueling. Only then I'd consider.

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fatveg@reddit

Never. I don't live on a road and have to park 100 yards away from my house. There are 2 chargers in town 3 miles away and when I check they are always broken. So that means going on a special trip to the big town 10 miles away and hanging around for who knows how long while it charges.

It's great for people with big houses and drives, but most houses round here are terraced so it's just not practical.

Also I'm in my mid 50s, I may buy one more car before I retire, and it's not looking like I'll have enough pension to run a car.

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No_Air8719@reddit

When the wheels fall off my SAAB 9-3 Vector convertible 1.8T and not a day before

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72dk72@reddit

When the cars can do a real 700 mile on a charge and whe. Replacing the battery doesn't cost more than a couple of k and whe. They make something that is manual not auto.

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International-You-13@reddit

Unsure, currently it doesn't make sense for me to get one, I don't have a drive or anywhere to charge at work, and nowhere between home and work where I can charge quickly and reliably.

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DeadlyTeaParty@reddit

I highly doubt it, if it'll ever happen. It'll probably be the last car I'll get. But still doubtful.

I think petrol and diesel cars will still be around even into the next generation.

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Scottish_Santa@reddit

Yes, definitely 👍🏻

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TheSmallestPlap@reddit

When I can buy one for 2 grand and get 400 miles out of it for less than £40

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Legal_Alternative258@reddit

When I am ready to accept that I have no soul left for motoring.

I've had a EV rental and was soulless. I've had a PHEV which was great but expensive, had some benefits of an EV but not many.

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justdont7133@reddit

Husband just got his 3rd EV, I'm getting my 2nd in a couple of weeks, so we've had them for a few years now. We're lucky to have easy access to charging at home and at his office so they're really cheap to run, and I love how mine drives. I'd hate to go back to petrol now

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Tarvoric@reddit

It’s quite easy to get a EV with 200+ mile range. And now there’s double the amount of chargers than there are petrol pumps

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/369077/uk-electric-car-chargers-outnumber-petrol-pumps-almost-two-one

MillyMcMophead@reddit

I love my HUD, it's just so bloody brilliant.

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mh1191@reddit

Mine is 2018 and the last of my brand with buttons on the centre console. And even that isn’t buttons for everything.

But it do most of my control via the buttons on the steering wheel - they can’t take those away from me…

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alijam100@reddit

A good few manufacturers are bringing this back, I believe Audi are, Hyundai and Kia look like they are going to as well

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Thalamic_Cub@reddit

Just ordered one and no I dont have a charger. Will be relying on public chargers and granny charging.

I understand if people don't have this why they wouldn't want one.

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buffalosoldier111@reddit

I’ve never even drove one, or been in one.

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CaptainRAVE2@reddit

The moment my wife bought one and it warmed itself up on the night tariff while I was battling the ice on my ICE. I then also realised how much it would save me on petrol.

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Live-Negotiation3743@reddit

I can get one through wok so I reckon in the next year or so

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sidneylopsides@reddit

Bought our first in December.

We can charge at home, we don't do long trips, 80 mile round trip once a week is the most we do.

It's cheaper to charge, even without being on an EV tariff yet, it's faster, quieter. The way power is delivered is constant, no smell, no noise, no delays for turbos spinning up or gears changing.

I much prefer to cruise quietly in comfort, but with the ability to accelerate quickly, than to throw a noisy car around winding roads.

I'll happily enjoy a nice sounding engine drive past, but I can't stand it being there all the time.

alltorque1982@reddit

I'm on my second EV and when the lease is up I'm going back to an ICE car, or Hybrid (have had a hybrid before too). My last fully petrol car was 2017.

I have a driveway, a home charger, and for local, simple journeys it's amazing.

Longer journeys, trips away etc it's proven to be a nightmare and I just can't bear the stress of it anymore. Have had too many awful situations. So much so I'm hiring a petrol car for our next trip away and the one after that my wife is driving her petrol car.

I fully realise I'm going against the grain and general opinion here.

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Tollowarn@reddit

I don't much care what powers my car, it could be unicorn farts for all I care.

The issue of home charging without a driveway has been solved. Cable across the pavement with an antitrip cover.

The tricky one is that it needs to have a wheelchair ramp. I know that this is a very specific requirement but it's the reality of my situation.

We currently have an old fiat doblo van that is both loud and unrefined but it works for now.

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LahmiaTheVampire@reddit

As soon as they can drive as far as a petrol car and fill up as quick.

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FluffiestF0x@reddit

About 4 months ago apparently. Perfect timing too!

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waterwite@reddit

Next week.

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the_uk_hotman@reddit

Never. Hydrogen should be the way forward that or some better way of storing electricity safer than using lithium and lasts longer than the current battery needs fewer cells to provide more power and quicker to charge.

Ultimately I won't buy an EV

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Captain_English@reddit

If I could charge one at home, I'd have bought one already. Unfortunately, I have no rear access, and on street parking out front, like a lot of the UK.

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jimmybiggles@reddit

i only just bought a relatively new petrol car, so hopefully not any time soon.

however, i don't believe we've currently got the infrastructure set up to support everyone moving from petrol to EVs. i currently don't have a drive to park on - so where would i charge mine overnight? same goes for the other thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people who would be in a similar situation to me. i don't think we have enough chargers, and i recall hearing that we don't have a strong enough power grid to support EV chargers across the country due to the huge draw it would have on the grid.

FunGuyUK83@reddit

Never! My wife had an EV mobility car for my son and it was the worst decision she's ever made. Within 6 months the battery had failed and spent another 2 months in the garage waiting for parts. The ball ache of waiting for it to charge and not being able to do long journeys wasn't fun. Not great in freezing weather either, milage reduced and sacrificing battery life for heat isn't ideal. Also when you look into what it takes to manufacture an EV (cobalt mining etc) it's not really ethical to own 1. Unsafe working conditions and child labour!

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IanM50@reddit

I've had one for over 4 years now, but i do have a drive and can charge very cheaply.

Public charging is still not good enough in the UK for those without off road parking. The government should force every large supermarket to have multiple and cheap chargers that can charge a car in 45 minutes, for example.

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Codders94@reddit

I’ll be driving my 2011 a4 estate until it dies. so all going well, never?

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Monkfish786@reddit

When my hybrid conks out , it’s a plug in which can be annoying but £20 road tax is the sweet trade off.

I only drive to work/supermarket and I avoid driving when possible and utilise public transport.

I’m the ideal candidate for one due to consistent short trips so a full charge of a 300 mile EV with a real world range of 250 in the summer with AC usage so it would last me nearly 1 and half to 2 months of a charge in theory.

Of course the best case is to top up on cheap overnight electricity with a home charger.

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Yeah similar, our diesel lives on the drive 5 days a week then takes us on a long trip somewhere most weekends.

Theres one journey we make several times a year though, which is to see family who live mid terrace in a town 200 miles away with no public chargers.

This one journey feels like the dealbreaker to me atm, as we can currently go there and back with no break, and I can't see how we would charge when there without designing our whole trip around a visit to somewhere with a charger.

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PolarLocalCallingSvc@reddit

Yeah I feel like like I get labelled as anti-EV quite often but I'm genuine in saying my average journey is over a hundred miles and if I'm considering a round trip in the Highlands where I live, I need more reliable charging infrastructure or a much bigger battery. Yeah I know I can get some theoretical 450mi cars but up here with the hills and the roads they're looking at idk 300ni, and then you're looking at tens of thousands of pounds and I just can't justify it... Yet.

The time will come, hopefully soon, where I believe it ticks over, but it won't be for a while yet.

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grahamthegoldfish@reddit

This year.

Currently my other half has an electric car and I have a diesel. The electric car is a lot cheaper than diesel to run because we are fortunate enough to have a driveway and a charge point and we have an off peak ev electricity tariff. That means we get a couple hundred miles for maybe 3 quid.

They're not without their challenges, though. In particular, public charger availability is good in towns, cities and motorways but not great in holiday locations like Devon, Cornwall, the lake district, snowdonia, etc. These are places we go a few times a year. Also, public charging takes 30-40 minutes and is more expensive than running my diesel.

LayingInBracken@reddit

Bought one yesterday.

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Sweaty-Possession-19@reddit

I bought a 73 model Y awd LR last month

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funnystuff79@reddit

Would love an EV, just started commuting to work. But with no charger at my rented flat and no charges at work for at least 6 months it's going to have to wait

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Mdl8922@reddit

When I can afford a 7 seater that I like more than the petrol options, & my housing association allows me to get a charger fitted.

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sly870@reddit

We are in the process of investigating making the switch. We have a 24 plate Kodiaq and looking at a slightly older EV. Either a Skoda Enyaq or Cupra Born at the moment.

Other option is salary sacrifice a new EV through work and get back into the 20% tax bracket but meh.

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Commercial_Treat4591@reddit

On my second now. If you can charge at home, unless you have a highly unusual driving pattern the best time is now! Even public charging is mostly cheaper than the equivalent ICE unless using the most expensive rapid chargers. One you drive electric, going back to an ICE when renting or driving someone else’s car is like going back to the Stone Age.

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eth0izzle@reddit

I vowed never to buy an EV because I’m a massive petrol head—I’ve had a GTR, F-Type SVR etc. But now I’m looking to buy a 3-4 year old I-PACE because they’re ridiculously cheap for the car you get.

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lankyman-2000@reddit

When I consistently work close by and don’t get moved miles away with a weeks notice

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Evening-Tomatillo-47@reddit

I'd like to. Only issue is I do 200-400 miles per day so I'd like the benefits of cheap charging to not be wiped out by regular expensive charging. If I could get a van that would do 300 miles I could work that

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kilgore_trout1@reddit

3 years ago - and I’d never go back to an ICE now

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mrthreebears@reddit

when i have no other choice, i live rurally

About 3.5 years ago

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