What are the worst things Bulgaria has comitted in the past?
Posted by Cold-Pomegranate6739@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 107 comments
It's not something we learn in school (obviously) and I see people alluding to war crimes and suchlike so I'd like to broaden my understanding
Incvbvs666@reddit
WWI occupation of Macedonia and South-East Serbia
WWII occupation of Macedonia and South-East Serbia
bender__futurama@reddit
I dont know what is the worst. But WW1 occupation of Eastern and Southern Serbia(approximately half of Serbia, till river Morava) was awful. Not only that crimes was committed, Bulgaria worked systematically of cleaning any trace of Serbia and Serbian nation.
Killing intellectuals, teachers, priests. Anyone that didnt want to become Bulgarian was killed in brutal way, setting people on fire for example. Serbian monesteries and cultural heritage was looted. Chruch records burned. Serbian women raped. Gas chambers were used also. I could continue. But you can research by yourself.
Once Serbian army liberated those parts, they were so shocked that they wanted to burn Sofia to the ground, they were only stopped by Frenchman.
Bulgarians returned in WW2 to these lands, together with the Nazis, to try that one more time.
ApprehensivePiano457@reddit
'North' Macedonia: Write that down!
SuedeJacketMonster@reddit
Gas chambers?
bender__futurama@reddit
They would use exhaust pipes from cars or trucks, and connected them to sealed rooms to kill people.
EdrusTheSmall@reddit
Hahaha good joke
bender__futurama@reddit
There is no need to laugh at the victims. You are free to research by yourself.
hero_in_@reddit
Interestingly, we have the exact same stories but vice versa. That after the Balkan wars Serbians were killing and beating everyone who identified as Bulgarian.
HumanMan00@reddit
It did happen, mostly on the boarders near Pirot and Dimitrovgrad.
Its all Komite and politicans in capitals though. Šops and Torlaks are cool with each other. Grandma told me villagers were scared of Komite regardless of nationality.
Due to Bulgarian komite Suva Planina got its name - before that it was Kunovica.
They set fire to the forest and many churches in the south..
determine96@reddit
They were crazy, yeah.
I'm from the Pirin region where after WW1 IMRO created state within the state and take part of the brutal killing of Stamboliyski, nade Sofia into a Chicago because of the killings amongst the fractions, even I have read in a book about Dobrugea how after their organization were destroyed in 1934 some of the komitas became contract killers.
One friend of my father whose mother is from nortwestern Bulgaria from Vraca when he was a kid he went studying there and this was in the 80's but still people over there thought of Macedonians as crazy people, they asked him stuff like is it true you all carrying knives "down there" and such.
HumanMan00@reddit
These are the types of conversations we need to have. No bullshit, no politics.
bender__futurama@reddit
I could believe that. In Macedonia? For sure.
throwaway333444411@reddit
Can you recommend any books on the topic ?
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
My grandpa went through WW2 and then 99s Kosovo war. He was in the mindst of one of the greatest massacres that Serbs did in Kosovo.
Yet, he used to humbly say that Serbs didn't compare to Bulgarians in crimes. "Bulgarians were something else, much worse..." he didn't talk much past this statement.
shadowlight681@reddit
Other nation atrocities are always worse. The second Balkan war was worse for us
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
If that was the case, people wouldn't say Bulgarians were worse than Serbs. We had been under Serbian occupation for 100 years by then and lived through their massacres.
Also, people in the Balkans seem to love bothsideism. What was done to the Albanian nation doesn't compare to the slightest to what Albanians did to anyone.
arhisekta92@reddit
how do you know? Serbs famously had mass migrations from Kosovo, Albania and Macedonia before 1800s.
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
First, the mass migration of Serbs out of Kosovo is a myth.
There was migration of people's out of Kosovo. Those included Serbs, as well as Albanians and others.
Second, it was not Albanians that caused Serbs to migrate. They were fighting together with Albanians at the time.
arhisekta92@reddit
They were fighting together with the Albanians in 14th and 15th century (and fucking up together too). I am not saying that Albanians are the most guilty party for Serbian depopulation in Kosovo, but it's a fact that Ottomans colonized and islamized Kosovo, Raška, and Bosnia, to create a linked muslim enclave (and they succeeded). Not only Albanians, but a lot of Serbs were islamized too.
You saying that the mass migrations of the Serbs is a myth is pretty funny. I am not denying anything you claim about Serbian crimes in late 1800s and 1900s, but you are denying the suffering of my people (which is well noted in Austrian, Hungarian and other archives), and that is kinda sad.
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
Omg, you have been told such lies and I sincerely don't understand how much bs is everything they told you about Kosovo.
Kosovo has ALWAYS been majority Albanian. Studies of ancient sites in Serbia identified that only in the 13th century did Slavs become 50% of the population around the Danube. South of Danube, they had not yet become 50% of the population by the 13th century.
When the Ottomans occupied the Balkans, it was the Albanians who waged the greatest wars against the Ottomans. That's why they were heavily devastated. They were killed, exiled, or forced to become Muslim.
All that time, the Orthodox Church had continuous agreements with the Ottoman Empire, and that's why they were left alone to function in Kosovo. Slavic language and churches were allowed, while Albanian language was forbidden.
During that time, a large number of Christian Albanians became followers of Serbian Churches. Ethnicity wasn't a thing back then. Religion was. That's the time when many Albanians assimilated into Slavic.
And that is why 50% of local Serbs in Kosovo today have Albanian ancestry. The other 50% came in the 20th century as colonizers.
I am not denying the migration of Serbs. But it was not a MASS migration, and it was never only Serbian. Arsenije (Serbian patriarch) wrote in 1690 that it was 30-40,000 people.
Morever, it was not from Kosovo.
In 1689 " the largest number of refugees were from the Niš region, Morava Valley and Belgrade area. ".
The 1739 migration was again, mostly from Raska.
arhisekta92@reddit
Of course. I am also Albanian.
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
People remember the times when local Serbs in Kosovo spoke Albanian. Moreover, genetic studies prove it.
You are not Albanian if you identify as a Serb. Just as a Macedonian is not a Bulgarian. But, some Serbs do have Albanian ancestry.
It is a FACT that 50% of Kosovo Serbs have Albanian paternal ancestry. And it is not from the time of Illyrians. It is much recent.
12% of Albanians also have Slavic paternal ancestry, but that's from 1000 years ago.
The only amcestors of Illyrians alive today are the Albanians. A small part of Slavs were assimilated Illyrians. The largest part comes from Albanians.
It's like a Swiss person having started to identify as Swiss around 200 years ago, and before that they spoke and identified as Italian. However, this Swiss person now denies to have Italian ancestry and jumps to "I am a germanized Roman". That's what Serbs are doing.
arhisekta92@reddit
People also remember the time when local Albanians in Kosovo spoke Serbian. Some Albanians have Serbian ancestry as well. You are aware of Hoxha's Illyrianization? You know Serbs controlled Shkoder area for 700 years? No Serbs remain? Why is that? They went their business?
Were your proud families such as Balsha (Balšić), Jonima, Kastrioti pure 100% Illyrian blood Albanians? Why do you deny even a common heritage when it's so obvious?
A small part? Bro do you even know how much the Sclavenians overwhelmed the entire Balkans?
No. The Albanians became a coherent nation long after the Illyrians were gone. Illyrian ancestors Albania don't get to claim all of Illyrian heritage or ancestry just because they are closest to an old culture. Albanians have evolved and changed from their Illyrian ways as well. You can't behave like you are Illyria personified..
But Illyrian culture is gone, don't you understand this basic fact. Albanians are genetically maybe closer to Illyrians, but it doesn't mean that they evolved purely influenced by their Illyrian heritage. Albanians didn't do that it Medieval Ages, they started doing it in the 19th century, and sadly the mindset hasn't changed as of now.
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
Everything you wrote now has nothing to do with your initial claim that "Albanians did bad stuff to Serbs, and there was mass migration of Serbs out of Kosovo". But alright, I'll bait.
In Albania, yes, they were assimilated and we don't deny it, unlike you.
What is Hoxha's illyrianization, and what does it have to do with Kosovo?
No, there is no "pure" blood. But, Albanians and the Finnish are very unmixed compared to others in Europe. That said, mixed or pure, they were still Albanian. What does that have to do with Serb migrations or crimes against Serbs?
I am not telling you you are a mixed Serb. I don't care about your heritage.
I am telling you there was no large Serbian population in Kosovo in the 17th century (or ever), because there is PROOF that even those that identify as Serbian today, did not identify so few centuries ago.
Bro, do you understand that modern genetic studies can tell you with precision at what time your bloodline was driven away from others. E.g. at what time a group of people (part of a tribe etc) assimilated into something else? Moreover, don't you think it's absurd for you to claim Ilyrian ancestry? What's next, you're gonna claim you have ancient Greek ancestry, too?
You see, everything you claim about Albanians, you do so because that's what happened to Serbs and you think it's the same for everyone. Albanians had their ethnic identity since 2000 years ago. Nationalism started in the 19th century. The division between different Slavic identities started late. But not the identity of Albanians.
There are mentionings of the Albanoi tribe being an Illyrian tribe from 2000 years ago. In the 15th century, Albanians clearly identified as descendants of Illyrians. There's many writings about it.
There's nothing that doesn't support my authoctonous theory. I have done a DNA test and am a direct descendant of someone that lived here 7000 years ago. Lol. What about you? What bs do you have in your hands to claim I am not authoctonous? Why do you deny somethings that's crystal clear?
Huh? You just claimed there was a mass migration of Serbs out of Kosovo, and implied it was caused by Albanians. But YOU "accept" history?
Again, the migration was not massive. It was not out of Kosovo. And it was not caused by Albanians. 6000 Albanian soldiers in Kosovo (only) were lead by only one Albanian priest fought in the same side as Serbs at that time.
And, Albanians are authoctonous. Albanians are descendants of Illyrians. It it is not bs. It is not a theory anymore. It has been proven.
Serbs are NOT descendants of Illyrians, and claiming so is 🤯
Albanians have been assimilated into Slavs in large numbers for a long time. Not vice versa, except for a very small number in the modern Albanian state.
Rebelbot1@reddit
Holy, I have no idea why we committed such atocities agains albanians out of all people. They have never been a neighbour, let alone a hostile one.
The wikipedia article though portrays Serbia as the bigger perpetrator, massacaring 4x more people, so I don't get your fathers thinking. This does not excuse at all our atrocities, of course.
arhisekta92@reddit
Nationalism, Revanchism, Anti-Ottoman sentiment. Albanians were in closer relations to the Porte at the time (they didn't have an independent nation), so they were targeted like the Turks.
determine96@reddit
I have heard stories about the Bulgaro-Albanian relationship in the wars and it wasn't friendly for sure.
I have read somewhere a person was talking about his great grandpa who was mobilized in the WW1 on the Salonika front and how they entered an Albanian village or neighborhood in Macedonia and they were wearing white socks, but after they "finished" the job their socks turned red.
Also one Macedonian told me how some Macedonians where he live was saying how Bulgarians were massacred an entire village in his region, but it turned out it was populated by Albanians at the time, not Macedonians.
Also where I live right next to the Greek border many refugees populated the city after WW2 and I was speaking once with a guy who's coming from such family and gis grandpa who came from Greece said to him that we Bulgarians are the biggest bastards, because he haas seen how they were treating the Greeks, like he witnessed during a Greek wedding at the time how Bulgarian soldiers entered the wedding and raped the bride in front of the people who was present at the wedding, basically family, friends etc.
But of course you can't be 100% sure in such stories all the time, some are exaggerated, some miss few details, like was it the regular army or paramilitaries like "Ohrana" which usually do such things, like in Yugoslavian wars during the 90's people like Arkan and such which were just an armed thugs.
Other stories which was told to me by my grandma was about her father who was mobilized in WW2 in eatern Serbia and he was telling stories how they were going in a Serbian villages, but they were usually empty and they pillaged, killing the livestock and burning the houses, basically ethnically cleansing the areas.
Just once he witnessed I guess partisan who got caught by the Bulgarian army or some helpers or something, because there was a woman with them and one of the soldiers liked her earings, and started demanding her to give them to him, but she refused, so he took a knife and cut her years.
But I mean, all of the Balkan countries and not only did such stuff in a war, some just in a bigger scale than others.
CalydonianBoar@reddit
Somebody wrote once that in the Balkans we form our national conscience on the basis of what atrocities our neighbours had done to us
Excellent_Jeweler_43@reddit
It really do be kind of like that. But people need to remember that all of our states were wild in the years following the Ottoman times. It was times rife with hypernationalism and there were atrocities commited by all of us against all of us.
Even in Bulgaria itself there used to be a lot of killings and massacres between communists and tsarists, I think same goes for Greece and early Yugoslavia at the times. It’s actually wild how all of those things have happened less than 100 years ago, it really seems like it’s been way different times back then.
Substantial-Peach-90@reddit
Yes, unfortunately Bulgarians are known to have been the worst of the occupiers in Greece during ww2. I think there was a lot of hatred that was carried from WW1 and found opportunity to burst in ww2. Generally after Ottoman times Balkans had to mature as an area, the national identities to be figured out and the countries to be formed, it always takes war for these things to happen because that’s the human nature and that’s how this world works unfortunately. As long as we take the peace we have these days for granted because in the end of the day we really just get used to it and we think war is something of the past and we forget what it took to have peace, we go astray more and more and then the cycle repeats again
sangueblu03@reddit
The Bulgarians in WWI and WWII were also very upset that they missed taking Thessaloniki by a matter of days
CoachStev@reddit
Basically all land here belonged to everyone in the region at one time or another. Then it's just about who fought whom about it, with malice. Then in the end the bigger players just drew the lines of the borders based on their own interests
AccomplishedFront526@reddit
Because the Ottomans used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashi-bazouk, to terrorize the non-muslims levied from the local muslim ethnoss… who are the muslim minorities in the Balkan Peninsula that took upon the revenge of the National Cristian countries created after the ottoman empire lost control? (Bosnia and Albania…) you’re now seeing the same thing in Palestine- creation of a “living space” for one particular religion group, in a surrounding of hostile religion.
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
Oh, I believe all of it. We lived it in the 90s. It wasn't just Arkan and the likes of him. They were all in it together. Even local Serbs, people we grew up together with as neighbors in the village, took part in the worst crimes.
determine96@reddit
Yes, especially in the Balkans you can always found some frustrated volunteers for such stuff.
I mean was there tensions between the different ethnicities in Bosnia even before the wars, like 80's or before that or something ?
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
I don't know about Bosnia, I am Albanian from Kosove.
I suppose there was though. Serbia had it set to eliminate Muslims from the Balkans and claim their territories.
As for Kosove, yes, there clearly was. They saw us as a target since 1830. Then the worst happened in 1877-78 and then 1913, WW1, WW2... it never really stopped.
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
I believe at that time, Bulgaria and Serbia were fighting to get as much land as possible in the Balkans after Ottomans left.
Substratas@reddit
Holy shit 🫢
ViscountBuggus@reddit
Oh boy I actually have an entire compilation in my notes app
arhisekta92@reddit
I don't want to tarnish this topic, as it's respectful, but to me personally the worst thing is when Bulgarians immediately turn to fight mode when we argue. To the point of not taking a common joke (that degrades both of us).
Cold-Pomegranate6739@reddit (OP)
No we don't!
arhisekta92@reddit
I want to joke with Bulgarians so hard but we turn so serious so fast
EphemeralOcean@reddit
Bulgaria tried to invade and conquer Macedonia four times in four decades. First Balkan War, Second Balkan War, WWI, WWII. The side the chose to be on was the always the side that would allow for them to conquer Macedonia, even if that meant allying with the Nazis. And are now still giving Macedonia problems...
IvoBrasil@reddit
"Still giving Macedonia problems"? You're clueless.
_Spiderbrood_@reddit
In schools it is taught with very high honours how Bulgarians saved their Jews and resisted the Austrian. Never talking about escorting Jews from occupied regions in Greece and Macedonia directly to the death camps.
Or a more recent one, the "Revival Process" where the communist party forcefully made the Turkish minority to rename and erase their Muslim identity replacing it with Bulgarian culture and Slavic names. Pomak communities too (which are not Turkish but Muslim Bulgarians). If not, they were "migrated" to Turkey. The thing about it is, you don't impose a cultural change without making a few examples out of people who resisted. (Military personnel were led to any village that resisted or had people trying to escape, in special night operations)
I mean, unfortunately schools kinda cherry pick some of the things and it really depends on your history teacher's nationalism levels to be objective and teach you extra material (which I'm happy to have had when I was in high school but maybe it was because I was in a History focused program)
Ev_Batchvarov@reddit
Probably depends on the school and teacher. This was all thought in mine. Was fortunate to have very nuanced teachers that pointed many of our own attricities, evils and nationalism and populism
_Spiderbrood_@reddit
I didn't until late high school. It's certainly not in the curriculum 10 yrs ago
Ev_Batchvarov@reddit
I graduated high school 2015 and had all those examples mentioned. A story from my teacher stuck with me of how a friend of his had one of his Muslim neighbors in Kardzhali jump to her death from a high floor of her building as a sign of protest to the renaming.
It's super important how objective your teacher is, much of the time my history teacher would spend bringing up counter arguments and other points of view. (Another example is how he suggests we chose which Christian sect to become based on who was paying more Constantinople or Rome.)
What I did learn from this post is the stories about Albanians. Never heard those before sadly.
_Spiderbrood_@reddit
As I said, it wasn't in the curriculum - no textbooks, no tests. Only if the teacher wanted to add something extra
LittleBigBaws@reddit
Letting Buzludzha fall into disrepair.
IvoBrasil@reddit
Hm, I thought the thread was about bad things Bulgaria did.
iswhhrxi@reddit
They literally collaborated with the N*zis, so that was definitely the worst thing.
Also, I'm pretty sure they committed a massacre towards Macedonians during both world wars if I'm not mistaken.
Routine_Comb_7277@reddit
N.Macedonians
sangueblu03@reddit
They did it to Greek Macedonians and North Macedonians
EdrusTheSmall@reddit
Gosh, a lot of self-hating Bulgarians here... 🤣
Voters of PPDB - proclaimed liberals and eu lovers
CalydonianBoar@reddit
The reluctant alliance with Nazi Germany in WWII was one thing, but the harsh occupation of neighbouring countries during that time was probably the worse.
In Greece, Bulgarian armies came after the initial German attack and formally annexed (not occupied) the areas of Eastern Macedonia, Western Thrace and the islands of Thassos and Samothrace. Afterwards, Bulgaria expelled all Greek intelligetsia and officials, and the confiscated land to be given to Bulgarian settlers. Additionally, they banned Greek from all public life. Essentially Greeks became second-class citizens, and sometimes they were send to forced-labour camps in Bulgaria (тру̀дови войски was the name ?), they where tortured and some did not not return. This was the worst thing. As a result there were revolts and partisan activities in the occupied regions , which ended in brutal reprisals by the Bulgarian army, i.e. in the region of Drama.
I have no idea about what happened at the same time in occupied Serbian territories or in North Macedonia, but I suspect similar stories.
Anyway, the alliance with Nazi Germany, allowed the fascistization of the Bulgarian officers and eventually this lead to all those things.
EdrusTheSmall@reddit
And Greece had done the same just couple years prior after the Balkan wars and WW1. Whole Bulgarian villages and towns were genocided, Serres was the "headquarter" for the Bulgarian revolutionary movement. Schools, churches were destroyed, bulgarian was forbidden to be spoken. Thousand of people were killed and displaced so Greeks for Anatolia to be able to settle the lands. On the other hand the Turks had done the same for the Anatolian Greeks.
shadowlight681@reddit
Ahhh the good old times
Pinkninja11@reddit
And we would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids.
No-Championship-4632@reddit
Funded organizations like VMRO and whitewashed the brutalities and assassinations those guys did because "them good patriots". Not that the communists after that didn't do the same later on, but at least they supported foreign terrorists/militants. Like the Bulgarian state supported, funded and even issued a Bulgarian passport to Carlos the Jackal, provided support to leftist Palestinian terrorists like Fatah and Popular Front for Liberation of Palestine, trained and assisted some western european leftist extremists, etc. Also Ghislane Maxwell's father was a big friend to the regime, got the highest honor (Stara Planina medal) and he in return helped them launder their money in the west. It was so obnoxious that at some point there were photos of him in the newspapers, wearing a "King of Bulgaria" t-shirt on his birthday party.
Chemical-Practice908@reddit
Nazi collaboration, wiping out Jews in Macedonian occupied parts, annulation the existence of the Macedonian minority, asking (twice) the USSR to join but got refusal…
UltraSpeci@reddit
Geez. I'm from Trakia in Bulgaria and honestly I didn't had any idea what the Bulgarians have done. I suspect it was intentionally hidden from our history books and public information.
Sincere apologies to all our neighbors. We are actually one people.
zanimljivo123@reddit
I heard that bulgarian soldiers were ripping limbs of serbian civillians apart during the occupation in ww1, and also that they played some kind of a game using beheaded heads of serbs. I can totally believe this because bulgarians showed to be pretty ruthless in history. Wasn't there a bulgarian khan who drank wine from the skull of a byzantine emperor? Krum, or something like that...
determine96@reddit
Ok, you are dragging history too much.
Bulgarian army was brutal, and as I said in the other comment mostly the paramilitary organisations, in WW1 for example mostly IMRO operated in the rear in Serbia and they participated in the brutal suppression of the Toplica rebelion.
In WW2 in Greece also there was an organisation called "Ohrana" which was mainly formed from local Bulgarians or again I think from former IMRO members in Macedonia too, there were special units formed for fighting the partisans and they were mainly doing those atrocities there, like cutting the heads of the victims and such.
But all countries had people like this.
Serbians were much better in Macedonia too.
dorin21@reddit
Bulgarians killed romanians.
Romanians killed bulgarians.
Why?
Because we are too fucking dumb.
My family comes from the Danube, border with Bulgaria, i really don't care what happened in the past, i always considered Bulgarians and Serbians as our brothers until death.
pdonchev@reddit
If you mean to others - the collection of 11000 Jews from Macedonia and Western Thrace by the German army and and allowing their transit (by rail) to Treblinka. Societal pressure in Sofia cancelled the extradition of Bulgarian Jews, but there was noone to protest the extradition of Jews from occupied territories. Bulgaria had the power to refuse it - Hitler had huge armies in Serbia and Greece, but it was unlikely that he would attack Bulgaria over the collection of Jews and risk abandoning important positions.
Sss_ra@reddit
Liliana Panitsa, the societal pressures.
markohf12@reddit
Ah yes, the "others", definitely not you, definitely has nothing to do with you at all, definitely nothing to do with the "Law for Protection of the Nation" which has nothing to do with Tsar Boris III (the Germans forged his signature), which has also nothing to do with the temporary administration of Macedonia and is definitely not an invasion, right?
JarJarBingChilling@reddit
My god, learn to fucking read. He said “to others” - meaning something the state did TO others. It’s not so hard to grasp.
markohf12@reddit
Fair enough, ur right, removed the comment.
JarJarBingChilling@reddit
I appreciate that and I’m sorry for the tone of my comment. Just rubbed me the wrong way as I assumed (my problem) you did actually read it but replied like that purely because of the flair of the commenter. It’s not often that Bulgarians admit the “issues” (and that’s putting it lightly) of our occupation of Macedonia in WW2, or admit it was an occupation to begin with.
Ok_Eagle_3079@reddit
Please don't be so aggresive this is his second language after bulgarian /s
pdonchev@reddit
"To others" mean non-domestically, to non-Bulgarians. Bulgaria did way worse things to Bulgarians - in the 20s and 30s many thousands of rural population were killed in revolts (and sending cavalry to massacre villagers is arguably worse than collecting people as passing them in someone else's custody).
Routine_Comb_7277@reddit
N.Macedonia if you mean your country else your correct.
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
You believe killing 11k people is the worst Bulgaria did?
pdonchev@reddit
To non-Bulgarians, definitely yes. Collaborating in rounding up, knowing that they will very likely be killed at some point.
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
I'd say cutting out the eyes, tongues, and raping people or burning them alive themselves is much worse... as a non-Bulgarian whose ancestors went thorugh that by the hand of Bulgarians.
JarJarBingChilling@reddit
the question is “what are the worst things Bulgaria did” and the person you replied to gave a pretty good example from recent-ish events. I don’t think it’s appropriate to partake in atrocity Olympics, grow up.
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
I just know they did much worse to Albanians in Kosove and Macedonia. While, partaking in this case is bad, what they did here is much much much worse.
Stealthfighter21@reddit
Bulgaria did not have authority over the Jews in those territories.
pdonchev@reddit
It did, though. They did the actual collection. Hitler would be mad, but they had the practical power to stop it.
No_Magazine_6806@reddit
Join euro.
no1rezefan@reddit
oppressing the turkic and pomak minorities during 80's maybe, anything other than that is 6+ centuries ago 🫤
kus-avci@reddit
nobody saying this is weird. but yeah anything bad to the turks is a good thing for most of the people here.
Michitake@reddit
"they deserved it" “they were occupiers" or "it's bad, anyway you did this and my doing is justified" etc.
hero_in_@reddit
The forced conversion of Pomaks after the balkan war was not 6+ centuries ago.
Western_Rock9414@reddit
În the WW1 they commited a lot of crimes in the southern part of România, they kill, rape and loot. They even try to take the Saint Dimitrie the protector of Bucharest, luckily their car fail in the middle of the road between Bucharest and Ruse
TripluStecherSmecher@reddit
In Constanta au vrut sa arunce statuia lui Ovidiu in mare si numai interventia insistenta a aliatilor lor germani i-au facut sa se opreasca. Iar prin sate au facut prapad impotriva populatie romanesti si nu numai, au nivelat sate intregi cu tot cu locuitori.
Nu intelege de ce ai luat minusuri, e istorie. Acum suntem prieteni cu ei dar acum 100 ani nu prea.
Western_Rock9414@reddit
Nu înțeleg nici eu dacă după terminarea războiului Bulgaria ne-a plătit reparatii de război, am înțeles ca după terminarea războiului prin 1930 stocul de animale si-a revenit la cifrele de dinainte de război, la voi în Dobrogea știu ca au avut o disputa cu turcii în legătură cu Medgidia
TripluStecherSmecher@reddit
Ce disputa? Si nu am auzit ca bulgarii sa fii platit ceva vreodata.
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
Ok_Eagle_3079@reddit
Revival Process in the 80s.
Stealthfighter21@reddit
Communism. As far as mistakes, I would argue also choosing Orthodoxy instead Catholicism as that put us squarely in a phere of backwardness.
Max_ach@reddit
Interesting. Can you elaborate more on the orth and cath
Vaisiamarrr@reddit
It’s a widespread belief of self hating eastern europeans to see orthodoxy and their culture as lesser than <<>>
NoReportedTaxes@reddit
One time I had to explain that larping as westerners is pathetic and it's ok being us to my people. One guy deadass asked me:"What's so bad about being western?"
sonte2@reddit
No really what is so bad about being western? Half of the Balkans lives there for a reason.
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
That's very interesting to me. Albanians have this same selfhate regarding Islam.
Substratas@reddit
How though? IReligion is something you choose so if u hate Islam it means u don’t follow it…
Stealthfighter21@reddit
And with reason
Additional-Gur7915@reddit
Well, tbh, no religion is better than the other. And all three, Catholic, Orthodox or Islam come from the Middle East. Their books are a copy paste of each other...
Now, if you'd compare religion with atheism, then yes, hating any religion is very reasonable.
Stealthfighter21@reddit
Name one successful orthodox nation. Not to mention that had we been catholic, we'd have been liberated much earlier.
sonte2@reddit
Bulgaria would’ve been light years ahead had Kaloyan went through with his plan until the end.
markohf12@reddit
Reddit has a character limit, can you give a more specific timeline?
sonte2@reddit
The same things as every other Balkan country.
Educate-Me-Now@reddit
The Vataša massacre. They were kids.
hero_in_@reddit
Joining the Nazi?