'Israel's Mossad spy agency issued a direct call urging Iranians to press on with protests, saying it was supporting them "on the ground" as demonstrations spread in capital Tehran and other Iranian cities.
"Go out into the streets together. The time has come. We are with you," Mossad wrote in a post on its Farsi-language X account, Israel's army radio reported on Wednesday.
"Not just from a distance or through words. We are also with you on the ground." '
People protested, Israel said we're with you protesters, even on the ground, now all protesters are charged as Israeli spies for Iranian kangaroo courts (and that's coming from an american and our pay to play court system).
I guess I dont know how you think a non violent protest could overthrow a militarized theocracy.
The majority of people in Iran would very much like a regime change, hundreds of thousands were willing to go the streets knowing it could kill them. Some everyone brought violence and weapons to bear.
No, peaceful protests dont change sht in the kind of country Iran is, you know that. You absolutely would need outside assistance to over throw a regime like that.
Dont get me wrong im not a fan of this recourse. I hate violence and im greateful that, for now, my country still has some peaceful tools left.
When you leave no peaceful option, you create the enviornment for revolution and your enemies will absolutely capitalize on that.
Iran is literly an expert at this, how do you think the Houthis got armed, by smuggling the guns in from Texas?
The United States of America has more guns than people. If you count just young Americans fit for war fighting there are multiple firearms per person. They already have a pistol, hunting rifle, and shotgun. Military style assault rifles that fire NATO standard ammunition are common (AR15). The AK47 and SKS are popular too. There are many complaints about China and Russia but definitely not complaints about the rifles these countries sell here.
Nonviolent protests ha e a much higher success rate historically. Also historically most people refuse to believe this fact. Nonviolence is slow. Nonviolence requires commitment and widespread public support.
Non violent movements have only had strong momentum since the twentieth centurary.
They also generally require a free press to have any real leverage.
Im also talking about regime change not cultural change. Its very very hard to get a dictator to step down non violently.
I mean that would be awesome and it would be great if im wrong. I just dont really see that being thr case.
Regardless im not neccecarly for arming protestors, I just wanted to emphasize these protestors had very little recourse for change. Depriving that option is a failure of state first and foremost.
You're correct but how do you expect the government in power to respond? They'll crack down harder. Israel made the situation a million times worse for iranians
Oh I dunno, I'm probably just overthinking the fact that Iran had an uptick in spy executions after Mossad openly said it was operating on the ground in Iran during the peaceful demonstrations they violently hijacked in order to lay the groundwork for the war on Iran which happened immediately after
Yeah, an opresive theocracy definitely doesnt have people willing to fight and die to free themselves from them.
You're speaking as if the two are even mutually exclusive - that someone can't be against the Iranian state, the same as opposition to every state in every country of the world which exists and has always existed for various genuine ideological reasons - and simultaneously be in service of and working on a foreign payroll as they believe it'll better ensure their success and the accomplishment of their goals.
Someone can have their own legitimate reasons for opposing Tehran, but that doesn't mean they haven't been turned and co-opted into either a U.S. or Israeli intelligence asset exploiting that ideological distance and hostility they feel toward the state.
That's how all color revolutions and attempted color revolutions and other forms of foreign-backed civil unrest, rebellion, insurgency, terrorism, etc. function. That's what proxy wars are. Why do people always talk and treat it as if it were one or the other? There are always legitimate real people with earnest convictions and there are always hostile foreign actors weaponizing some of them to fulfill a malicious objective to puppetize, destabilize, and destroy the country (because it's their geopolitical adversary, is too independent and doesn't obey their will, etc.).
Anyone with even basic historical and political learning and even barebones context should be able to look at Iran and see clearly that that was one of many instances of that dynamic at play.
These issues gives Iran ground to execute protestors as traitors backed by a foreign force (that happens to be at war with them). The same thing happened in January.
Iran is executing people in active armed rebellion against the government??? I’m shocked and horrified that terrorist groups directly armed by the CIA and Mossad are not being allowed to run rampant.
The whole institution of execution is barbaric--and yes, regardless of the country--it's even more barbaric when it's being deployed against the pro-democracy protestors. I get that with US's imperial war against Iran that there's gonna be an impulse kneejerk regime apologia, but you don't have to justify evil regardless
Like when the CIA killed all those people as part of their coup d’état of Iran‘s democratically elected government in order to install their hand selected violent fascist the Shah?
Be terrifying if a single word you just said was actually happening. Problem is it's not, despite those intelligence agency's best efforts, because that's not how revolutions work.
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'Israel's Mossad spy agency issued a direct call urging Iranians to press on with protests, saying it was supporting them "on the ground" as demonstrations spread in capital Tehran and other Iranian cities.
"Go out into the streets together. The time has come. We are with you," Mossad wrote in a post on its Farsi-language X account, Israel's army radio reported on Wednesday.
"Not just from a distance or through words. We are also with you on the ground." '
r0w33@reddit
What is the relevance of this to the above?
elkaki123@reddit
Looking at the article, the charges are them being spies, so it's relevant in that sense
giboauja@reddit
People protested, Israel said we're with you protesters, even on the ground, now all protesters are charged as Israeli spies for Iranian kangaroo courts (and that's coming from an american and our pay to play court system).
Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit
And then the CIA and Mossad smuggled weapons to some of those protesters.
giboauja@reddit
I guess I dont know how you think a non violent protest could overthrow a militarized theocracy.
The majority of people in Iran would very much like a regime change, hundreds of thousands were willing to go the streets knowing it could kill them. Some everyone brought violence and weapons to bear.
No, peaceful protests dont change sht in the kind of country Iran is, you know that. You absolutely would need outside assistance to over throw a regime like that.
Dont get me wrong im not a fan of this recourse. I hate violence and im greateful that, for now, my country still has some peaceful tools left.
When you leave no peaceful option, you create the enviornment for revolution and your enemies will absolutely capitalize on that.
Iran is literly an expert at this, how do you think the Houthis got armed, by smuggling the guns in from Texas?
FederalSandwich1854@reddit
You'd be ok with Russia smuggling in weapons and bombs into the US during the peak of BLM protests?
Taviii@reddit
A better parallel would be russia having American KGB agents mixed in the crowds of BLM protesters, using firearms to kill the police by the hundreds from within the crowds, setting fire to churches (while children are inside them), clinics, ambulances, banks and shopping centers. For a protest that was agitated not due to their government’s misdeed (in this instance) but due to the international manipulation of a foreign adversary
giboauja@reddit
I think your analysis is extremly propaganda tilted.
Its offputing that you dont know why the people of Iran would protest legitimatey...
It seems like your taking some truths while, intentionally or not, ignoring the massive dissatisfaction Iranians have with their governmemt.
One could easily argue the IRGC is existentially threatening the states very future. Google water mafia for one such reason.
giboauja@reddit
Why smuggle? Just venmo would do it here.
NearABE@reddit
The United States of America has more guns than people. If you count just young Americans fit for war fighting there are multiple firearms per person. They already have a pistol, hunting rifle, and shotgun. Military style assault rifles that fire NATO standard ammunition are common (AR15). The AK47 and SKS are popular too. There are many complaints about China and Russia but definitely not complaints about the rifles these countries sell here.
NearABE@reddit
Nonviolent protests ha e a much higher success rate historically. Also historically most people refuse to believe this fact. Nonviolence is slow. Nonviolence requires commitment and widespread public support.
Violence tends to undermine nonviolent movements.
giboauja@reddit
Non violent movements have only had strong momentum since the twentieth centurary.
They also generally require a free press to have any real leverage.
Im also talking about regime change not cultural change. Its very very hard to get a dictator to step down non violently.
I mean that would be awesome and it would be great if im wrong. I just dont really see that being thr case.
Regardless im not neccecarly for arming protestors, I just wanted to emphasize these protestors had very little recourse for change. Depriving that option is a failure of state first and foremost.
mammogrammar@reddit
You're correct but how do you expect the government in power to respond? They'll crack down harder. Israel made the situation a million times worse for iranians
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
There were hundreds of thousands of legitimate protesters. They are not being executed.
The ones who took the call from Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu as well as their weapons, are now either dead or in custody
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
Oh I dunno, I'm probably just overthinking the fact that Iran had an uptick in spy executions after Mossad openly said it was operating on the ground in Iran during the peaceful demonstrations they violently hijacked in order to lay the groundwork for the war on Iran which happened immediately after
Probably ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
r0w33@reddit
I think you might be underthinking it.
"in Iran during the peaceful demonstrations they violently hijacked in order to lay the groundwork for the war on Iran"
Amazing what you can get away with if you just get idiots to walk around saying "whoever I murdered, the jew made me do it"
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
Interesting you bring up judaism, why? Does Israel act for all Jews?
NearABE@reddit
The statement is in quotes. It is the violent idiots who bring religion into the politics.
giboauja@reddit
Yeah, an opresive theocracy definitely doesnt have people willing to fight and die to free themselves from them.
Another countries oppurtunism disproves that. After EVERYTHING you've heard about Iran must have just been propaganda.
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
You're speaking as if the two are even mutually exclusive - that someone can't be against the Iranian state, the same as opposition to every state in every country of the world which exists and has always existed for various genuine ideological reasons - and simultaneously be in service of and working on a foreign payroll as they believe it'll better ensure their success and the accomplishment of their goals.
Someone can have their own legitimate reasons for opposing Tehran, but that doesn't mean they haven't been turned and co-opted into either a U.S. or Israeli intelligence asset exploiting that ideological distance and hostility they feel toward the state.
That's how all color revolutions and attempted color revolutions and other forms of foreign-backed civil unrest, rebellion, insurgency, terrorism, etc. function. That's what proxy wars are. Why do people always talk and treat it as if it were one or the other? There are always legitimate real people with earnest convictions and there are always hostile foreign actors weaponizing some of them to fulfill a malicious objective to puppetize, destabilize, and destroy the country (because it's their geopolitical adversary, is too independent and doesn't obey their will, etc.).
Anyone with even basic historical and political learning and even barebones context should be able to look at Iran and see clearly that that was one of many instances of that dynamic at play.
DSoopy@reddit
This sub has such a strong bias and willingness to ignore fact they don't like that reading comments is an exercise in frustration
r_uan@reddit
These issues gives Iran ground to execute protestors as traitors backed by a foreign force (that happens to be at war with them). The same thing happened in January.
mycoctopus@reddit
So... agent provocateurs..
OccasionNo2675@reddit
That sounds very like an invite to the red wedding....
Robdul@reddit
THE SHAH IN THE NORTH!!!!
Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit
Iran is executing people in active armed rebellion against the government??? I’m shocked and horrified that terrorist groups directly armed by the CIA and Mossad are not being allowed to run rampant.
PoliticalAlt128@reddit
The whole institution of execution is barbaric--and yes, regardless of the country--it's even more barbaric when it's being deployed against the pro-democracy protestors. I get that with US's imperial war against Iran that there's gonna be an impulse kneejerk regime apologia, but you don't have to justify evil regardless
Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit
Like when the CIA killed all those people as part of their coup d’état of Iran‘s democratically elected government in order to install their hand selected violent fascist the Shah?
GrahminRadarin@reddit
Be terrifying if a single word you just said was actually happening. Problem is it's not, despite those intelligence agency's best efforts, because that's not how revolutions work.
ChaLenCe@reddit
You're jonesing for a visa to go marry a child bride aren't ya pal
InevitableTension699@reddit
Yeah plus isn't the age of consent still 14 in Japan? He can just go there or Trump's club if he has money
duncandun@reddit
Why do that when you can marry a child in 31 states in the US?
Mr1ntexxx@reddit
I don't fully agree with the guy above but child marriage is legal in many states in the United States so your point doesn't make much sense
duncandun@reddit
Only Israel and the US are allowed to execute Iranians!
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