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I2fitness@reddit

Bunch of overweight virgins discussing what women are the best

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LukeJaywalker0@reddit

It is the basis of the plot, not the entire thing.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

The amount of demoralization and psychological abuse it takes to convince an entire generation that kids aren’t worth having is unfathomable

This has only been seen before in abused zoo animals

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Ancom_and_pagan@reddit

Other mammal species have been known to avoid mating and rearing offspring when conditions are too stressful or resources are scarce. Its not weird for humans to do the same.

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Maybe now that women actually have a choice of not being a wife, they realize that carrying around a baby for 9 months and having to go through hours of labor pains kind of sucks ass. Doubt many men would go through with it if the shoe were on the other foot.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

They always had a choice, back then women didn’t have malls, travel plans, iPhones, etc to occupy their time. They simply wanted to have families

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rascal3199@reddit

They always had a choice, back then women didn’t have malls, travel plans, iPhones, etc to occupy their time.

Lmao what?

Women who were considered "rebellious" were lobotomized until like 1950-1970.

Women who didn't settle down were labeled as having "perverse syndrome" and lobotomized.

Added to that most jobs wouldn't even hire women and if they did they were heavily discriminated against.

They simply wanted to have families

They had no other choice. If you believe they did then you're completely ignorant of history.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“Women were lobotomized 😢” further proving my point westerners are brainwashed to hate their history

At most 20,000 women were lobotomized and these were usually women with severe mental illness at a time were mental healthcare didn’t really exist. Just compare that to the modern day were 25% of all American women are on SSri’s. Drugs that can cause permanent sexual / libido dysfunction

Why would women need jobs if they had kids to raise ?

Women WANTED families if you don’t believe that than literally read any biography written by a woman 100+ years ago

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rascal3199@reddit

“Women were lobotomized 😢” further proving my point westerners are brainwashed to hate their history

What are you on about? Women being lobotomized was terrible.

At most 20,000 women were lobotomized

That's already a lot.

these were usually women with severe mental illness at a time were mental healthcare didn’t really exist.

As I already said, women were lobotomized simply for not settling down. Those women labeled with "perverse syndrome", for example if they slept around, would be lobotomized in some cases.

There is a reason "Magdalene Asylums" existed.. Promiscuous women were literally treated as crazy people.

Just compare that to the modern day were 25% of all American women are on SSri’s. Drugs that can cause permanent sexual / libido dysfunction

Yeah that's what's prescribed for depression. Better than the alternative which is suicide. People with depression on SSRIs are less likely to commit suicide than those who are depressed and don't take any.

Women are prescribed more because they are more likely to seek professional help for mental health. It's why men are almost 2 times more likely to die by suicide.

Why would women need jobs if they had kids to raise ?

Why would men need jobs if they had kids to raise?

I really don't get what conclusion you're trying to reach here. People take jobs to have their own money and for some it gives them a sense of purpose.

Women WANTED families if you don’t believe that than literally read any biography written by a woman 100+ years ago

As I already said they had no other choice they weren't allowed to experience anything else. If they did they were put in mental institutions

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Ofc lobotomies were terrible but tends of millions of women being on psychiatric drugs is even WORSE

“Some cases” how many like 12? You literally cannot even begin to compare what we’ve done to women to what is currently being done to them.

“They’re prescribed” ssris were literally created off of a thoroughly debunked chemical Imbalance theory. Psilocybin, ketamine, MDMA etc. these drugs can cure life long depression in a single season but that doesn’t generate the income that popping a daily pill does

My point is that women went from choking to work to having no choice but to be a slave to the 9-5 grind

“Put in mental institutions” again an a historical fantasy

Explain to me why women are unhappier in every measurable way compared to 50 years ago according to the “female happiness paradox”

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rascal3199@reddit

Ofc lobotomies were terrible but tens of millions of women being on psychiatric drugs is even WORSE

“Some cases” how many like 12? You literally cannot even begin to compare what we’ve done to women to what is currently being done to them.

You already said like 20k women were lobotomized genius.

One was forced on them for the mere fact that they were women who didn't adhere to social norms and the other is a drug used to treat depression that people choose to take voluntarily. Of course I prefer the latter rather than forcing lobotomies on people.

“They’re prescribed” ssris were literally created off of a thoroughly debunked chemical Imbalance theory. Psilocybin, ketamine, MDMA etc. these drugs can cure life long depression in a single season but that doesn’t generate the income that popping a daily pill does

You have no clue what you're talking about.

This is coming from someone who has taken high doses of shrooms and lsd. Psychedelics aren't for everyone.

First of all each person handles psychedelics very differently, a bad trip can cause PTSD/trauma.

Second of all people can develop psychosis from psychedelics especially people who have a history of schizophrenia in their family have a way higher chance of developing psychosis.

Third psychedelics may be a permanent solution of some people's depression but in most cases it's not. Only case where it seems to work consistently is Ketamine but even Ketamine has been shown to only last for like a month or few weeks and they need to do another session. The idea that it permanently solves depression for anyone is a myth.

My point is that women went from choosing to work to having no choice but to be a slave to the 9-5 grind

Women can still choose to find someone who can support them and be a stay at home wife. Now there are even stay at home husband's.

If they decide to not get married and be alone then yes they will have to work.

But they can choose. They now gained more choices because more jobs actually hire women now. They can study what they like and get into a job they like.

“Put in mental institutions” again an a historical fantasy

I literally linked you a wikipedia page on Magdalene Asylums. Read through the history of them a bit. Show me evidence of it being a historical fantasy.

Explain to me why women are unhappier in every measurable way compared to 50 years ago according to the “female happiness paradox”

Because everyone is unhappier. Men are also more unhappy. There aren't enough jobs to go around and even if you do get a job a single average wage isn't enough to pay for a family, wars are starting around the world constantly, the earth is warming and in general social media affects mental health of everyone negatively.

You need a bit of female perspective in your life. Go out make female friends and actually listen to them a bit.

Or go about as you are and continue acting like the average incel MAGA supporter.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“Didn’t reply to social norms” meanwhile they were literally banging their heads against concrete because they had SEVERE mental illness. You watched American horror story and thought it was a documentary

“They take the drugs voluntarily 😢” except there lied to about what it does how it works and it’s potentially permanent side effects. Instead of choosing one or the other how about neither ?

It’s funny how you jump to the potentially side effects of psychedelics which you also admitted can be a permanent cure but you fail to acknowledge the harm of SSris.

“Women couldn’t vote” women themselves were the biggest advocate against suffrage. They literally warned that with voting and equality comes equal pain. And guess what? Most nations now require women to join selective service. For all of human history women were protected from war and now they’re cannon fodder just like men. Isn’t that great ?!

You can cite asylum abuse without pretending that it only affected .000001% of American women

“Incel maga supporter” this is like when boomers don’t understand the difference between libs and leftists.

I’m a AF nationalist not MAGA, I hate MAGA 😂

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rascal3199@reddit

“Didn’t reply to social norms” meanwhile they were literally banging their heads against concrete because they had SEVERE mental illness. You watched American horror story and thought it was a documentary

Then why were around 60-80%% of lobotomies in the US performed on women?

“They take the drugs voluntarily 😢” except they were lied to about what it does how it works and it’s potentially permanent side effects. Instead of choosing one or the other how about neither ?

What do you mean by "neither"? Look up any research paper on depression and see that people with depression who don't take SSRI’s are at a much higher chance of dying by suicide.

Of course it would be better to not depend on them and the treatment is meant to be temporary until they work things through in therapy.

Other alternatives have not been proven to be as effective as SSRI across the board, and in these cases you need something that you know will work or you risk a suicide.

It’s funny how you jump to the potentially side effects of psychedelics which you also admitted can be a permanent cure but you fail to acknowledge the harm of SSris.

Never did i mention SSRIs are harmless. Long term use alters your serotonin system. As I stated their primary use is to help prevent suicide until patient has stabilized, not much point in thinking about long term issues if the patient ends up killing themselves. They are meant to be taken temporarily and in conjunction with therapy.

Psychedelics as I mentioned are simply not as effective across the board as SSRIs, and in some cases for people with bad mental states they can even worsen symptoms.

Psychedelics can work, they are just very variable from person to person, majority of people they won't work.

I'm just restating my points here, please read my comment more thoroughly.

“Women couldn’t vote” women themselves were the biggest advocate against suffrage. They literally warned that with voting and equality comes equal pain.

"The person i hold hostage in my basement since they were a baby is terrified of going outside, he doesn't want to! He would get hurt if he were outside! Therefore it's a good thing they are kept in the basement shouldn't be allowed the choice of going outside!"

This is the logic behind what you're saying.

The Patriarchy extended to all areas of life back then, women themselves also enforced it. Many women back in the early 1900s will tell you "men are smarter than women" because they grew up being told that.

And guess what? Most nations now require women to join selective service. For all of human history women were protected from war and now they’re cannon fodder just like men. Isn’t that great ?!

Military conscription sucks yeah. So why would it be fair for women to not be conscripted to the military while men are?

Either nobody should be conscripted or both should be on equal terms... I don't get your point.

You know what sucked when women DIDN'T have equal rights?

a Women couldn't easily divorce her husband and in the US each state had different rules about how many times a man could physically abuse his spouse before she was allowed to divorce him.
Rape from a husband to his wife didn't exist, it was always viewed as consensual.
couldn't own property while married.
Women couldn’t shop on their own until late 1800s, always had to be accompanied by a man.
couldn't serve on a jury, so a women in court because she was raped would be tried by a jury composed solely of men.

Many other things, I don't see what you're trying to get at here, are you advocating against equal rights for women?

“Incel maga supporter” this is like when boomers don’t understand the difference between libs and leftists.

I’m a AF nationalist not MAGA, I hate MAGA 😂

Ah I don't think there's much changing your mind then.

Do you believe all races should have the same rights?

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“60-80% were performed on women” and how many of those women consented ? Last i checked a large majority consented to the operation. Women have always been more likely to seek treatment for mental health issues.

“People who take SSri’s are less likely to commit suicide” the same can be said by those who smoke weed or go to church (women who go to church are 500% less likely to commit suicide)

I notice how you’re not mentioning taking ssri’s can even increased the odds of a suicide attempt when fist starting

“Majority of the people they don’t work for” I can pull up a study right now which proved shrooms cured depression in 80% of terminal cancer patients

“I’m restating my points” You can keep doing it, I just don’t think they’re good points

“Women are secretly brainwashed to love being protected by men” Lmao. You’re like the average westerner who sneers down on Muslim women for choosing the hijab

“Why is it bad that women will be forced to fight and die”

Because they’re literally Not built for war
Because a nation dies without women

It’s funny how you’re literally proving my point that patriarchy is meant to protect women, and you want to literally send them to the front lines to die. Actually insane. Did you know that there has NEVER been a poll In which the majority of women have voted to be added to the draft. They literally don’t want to do it and here you are forcing it upon them

Most debt is held by women , women had her entire family to protect her , it was literally the norm that her husband/ brothers would kill her husband if he abused her. Too pretend like male / Female relations are better now than 100+ years ago is a joke. Romance is dead everyone is addicted to porn and the sexes hate each other

Race is ultimately a social construct but to answer your question, yes

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rascal3199@reddit

“60-80% were performed on women” and how many of those women consented ? Last i checked a large majority consented to the operation. Women have always been more likely to seek treatment for mental health issues.

Rosemary Kennedy was part of the well known Kennedy family. Her father did not seek consent from her or her mother. She was strapped down and lobotomized.

At a time when women were considered their husband's property this isn't really surprising.

By the way do you even bother researching anything you write?

They were characterized by a lack of informed consent: https://orca.cardiff.ac.uk/id/eprint/183100/1/6921c41ad75ff.pdf

Why do you not bother providing evidence for what you write?

“People who take SSri’s are less likely to commit suicide” the same can be said by those who smoke weed or go to church (women who go to church are 500% less likely to commit suicide)

And? Do you want people to smoke weed for depression? If someone can't work while high weed won't work and also many get paranoia from it. Makes no sense.

If someone doesn't have faith church won't work either.

I notice how you’re not mentioning taking ssri’s can even increased the odds of a suicide attempt when fist starting

For people over 25 or under? What percentage difference is there? what percentage difference is it on average across all cases vs those who do not take anti depressants?

“Majority of the people they don’t work for” I can pull up a study right now which proved shrooms cured depression in 80% of terminal cancer patients

Psychedelics have been proven to help reduce fear of death. Show a study for the average person who isn't terminally ill.

“I’m restating my points” You can keep doing it, I just don’t think they’re good points

Yeah because you're literally not disproving what I say. You just grab a snippet misinterpret and try to hint that it would be better for women if they didn't have equal rights.

“Women are secretly brainwashed to love being protected by men” Lmao. You’re like the average westerner who sneers down on Muslim women for choosing the hijab

You quote me on something I never even said. Proving my previous point. You completely misrepresent what I say to try and prove your point.

And yes many parts of the Muslim ideology are meant to oppress women as it was for Christianity many years ago (and still is in some states of the US).

The hijab can be worn if they wish, but the root reason of why it is worn is simply misogynistic, a woman should not need to cover herself in front of men. If men cannot control themselves then we men need to work on that ourselves, not force women to cover themselves.

“Why is it bad that women will be forced to fight and die”

Again literally quoting something I never said. Do you know how to ready or copy and paste?

Because they’re literally Not built for war

Because a nation dies without women

Men aren't built for war either, do we have machine guns as hands? Can we transform into tanks?

A nation dies without men too.

It’s funny how you’re literally proving my point that patriarchy is meant to protect women, and you want to literally send them to the front lines to die. Actually insane.

Wtf are you on about? I don't want to send anyone to front lines to die, if peace were an option that would be great.

If there is no choice but conscription I believe it's fair everyone capable be conscripted.

Did you know that there has NEVER been a poll In which the majority of women have voted to be added to the draft. They literally don’t want to do it and here you are forcing it upon them

And men DO view the draft favorably? Majority of men don't want to be sent to war. Yet here we are forcing it on ourselves. And?

Most debt is held by women , women had her entire family to protect her , it was literally the norm that her husband/ brothers would kill her husband if he abused her.

So you have evidence that this occurred in majority of cases then? Why did laws allow women to be abused a certain amount of times before getting a divorce instead of allowing them to divorce?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape_in_the_United_States

Too pretend like male / Female relations are better now than 100+ years ago is a joke. Romance is dead everyone is addicted to porn and the sexes hate each other

A woman can actually have male friends now without people considering her a slut/whore.

I'd also argue that alot of the problems between men and women that persist nowadays is specifically because of people like you who believe women to be weak and below men and acting like women had a perfect time back in the day.

Your whole idea is that patriarchy was made to protect women, then why did laws allowing marital rape exist?

Why do you think women shouldn't be allowed to vote? Seems you tried to justify it by saying women didn't want it? I already gave you an allegory for that you just completely ignored.

I go point by point quoting everything you say and disproving it. What have you done? Put things i didn't even say in quotes and respond to that while also ignoring many of my points.

Can you understand why from my point of view it seems like you aren't even trying to engage in an honest debate? You literally consistently misquote what I say, and jusf leave out what you can't refute. that is not a basis for honest debate.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

I’m aware of rosemary. She was literally a Kennedy not the average American woman.

“Women were property” dude come off it, they weren’t forced under robes and to live inside their entire lives. This fantasy that men hated and oppressed women in the west is a MYTH. Both the sexes loved each other more back then it’s so painfully obvious through marriage rates, divorce rates, casual sex encounters etc etc

“Lack of informed consent” Literally my argument for ssris which 10000x the amount of women have been subjected to. Modern lobotomies are the norm and you don’t care because big pharma said the drug makes you a happy NPC

“Smoke weed if depressed” literally yes , there’s entire subs about how weed helps depression. Low thc high CBD strains. I’ve worked on both drugs for YEARS and they both impaired me but I’d lately lose my train of thought mid sentence on SSRI’s on the lowest dose (two different kinds)

“You need faith to go to church” lol No. Just going and being around other people who have hope for the future, people from your community is how you make companionships. It’s wholesome at its core.

“Someone who isn’t terminally ill” why? There’s literally no depression worse than knowing for certain your death is impending

“Wearing hijab is misogynist” billions of women would disagree , you’re literally just a biased uncultured westerner

“I never literally said women will die on the front lines” dude wtf so you think the draft is ? What it’s meant for ? This isn’t a game if you can’t visualize the corpses of dead female soldiers then you don’t to speak on this at all

“Men aren’t built for war” ignoring all of human history and the Hunter vs gatherer phenotype ingrained in us

“Men view the draft favorably” correct most men still don’t want their sisters and daughters to die in war.

“Women can have male friends” they always could? wtf are you even saying? Even know with my very liberal friends you don’t just hang out with another man’s girl if he’s not there even if you’re friends out of respect. There’s nothing wrong with that

“People like you who believe women to be weak” this right here is the problem. I love and respect women more than anything and your twisted world view makes you think the opposite ?

Men and women are DIFFERENT (more the same) and that’s OK. I can think of 20 women I know irl and none can bench press more than 50LBS. I can easily lift 5x that amount. Women aren’t weak, men are STRONG

“Why did this law not exist?” Dude the country was literally just a collection of random colonies a few years prior, modern law/ morality didn’t just appear overnight

I already explained why. Because I don’t want them to be drafted to war which you’ve advocated for MULTIPLE times. I’m sorry if that upsets you dude, that doesn’t mean I hate women or think they’re weak, FFS man image your mother being forced to kill Someone

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rascal3199@reddit

“Women were property” dude come off it, they weren’t forced under robes and to live inside their entire lives. This fantasy that men hated and oppressed women in the west is a MYTH. Both the sexes loved each other more back then it’s so painfully obvious through marriage rates, divorce rates, casual sex encounters etc etc

Again marriage rates and divorce rates make no sense to look at because Women could not work most jobs so they had to marry (men were also expected to marry early) and then women couldn't get divorced because the law literally didn't allow them to unless they were beaten a certain amount of times.

Casual sex has increased nowadays btw.

“Lack of informed consent” Literally my argument for ssris which 10000x the amount of women have been subjected to. Modern lobotomies are the norm and you don’t care because big pharma said the drug makes you a happy NPC

The doctor has a duty of informed consent before prescribing any drug.

If you like I can agree with you that there information regarding side effects should be more prevalent but comparing them to lobotomies in the 1900s? That's insane.

And different to lobotomies SSRIs side effects don't turn you into a vegetable.

I still don't get how you can even compare the 2.

“Smoke weed if depressed” literally yes , there’s entire subs about how weed helps depression. Low thc high CBD strains. I’ve worked on both drugs for YEARS and they both impaired me but I’d literally lose my train of thought mid sentence on SSRI’s on the lowest dose (two different kinds)

You are not everyone. I for one could never work while high and the majority of people I know can't either. Also many stopped because it just made them more anxious. So again it makes no sense to prescribe it to everyone. At most it can work on a case by case basis which I would be fine with when legalization turns through (surprise surprise the right wing tries to stop that at every turn though)

All the people I know who have taken anti depressants at some point can function while working.

“You need faith to go to church” lol No. Just going and being around other people who have hope for the future, people from your community is how you make companionships. It’s wholesome at its core.

No, I've grown in a great Christian orthodox house. If you have no faith it means nothing.

Also for anyone who is LGBT they are not at all welcoming spaces.

“Find study of Someone who isn’t terminally ill” why? There’s literally no depression worse than knowing for certain your death is impending

As I said psychedelics allow one to be more accepting of death which is the main reason terminally ill patients are depressed in the first place. Go read the studies and the accounts will tell you the reason is because they were not as afraid of death after.

“Wearing hijab is misogynist” billions of women would disagree , you’re literally just a biased uncultured westerner

Again never said that. You're quoting something I didn't say. The root reason why Hijab exists is misogynistic, it was made to cover women from the eyes of men. So because of men's inability to control their actions women needed to cover up.

You are just quoting things I don't say and it makes no sense to continue this discussion if you keep doing that. Either you don't understand what I'm writing so you genuinely believe I said these things or you are purposefully changing my words to try and debate me.

“People like you who believe women to be weak” this right here is the problem. I love and respect women more than anything and your twisted world view makes you think it’s the opposite ?

You are the one who keeps talking about how women shouldn't have equal rights. Women should be able to decide for themselves what they want to do without being dependant on a man for it.

I have had the fortune of meeting many women who work at their dream jobs and my current girlfriend who wouldn't be able to work these jobs at all back then. Without marrying a man they would have had few options of what they can buy or do and would be dependant on their parents. Their careers would have been stifled by discrimination at the College/Uni level.

We are on a level playing field. She is not dependant on me and I am not dependant on her. Our support for each other only makes us better and isn't a crutch we need to rely on.

This support can come in many forms, she can support me emotionally or vice versa and sometimes she is the one with a plan whereas I am not. Traditional roles stifle women's and men's development. We are each confined to our role and the main objective is for women to be a good wife and mother.

Fuck that. I wish to travel the world with my partner, she isn't here just to have my baby or support me, she is as capable as I am and emotionally/intellectually as strong as me.

Men and women are DIFFERENT (more the same) and that’s OK. I can think of 20 women I know irl and none can bench press more than 50LBS. I can easily lift 5x that amount. Women aren’t weak, men are STRONG

Physically? Yes.

Emotionally women are more mature than men.

Intellectually, the same.

Nowadays majority of peopme don't work physical jobs. Physical strength does not make one sex better than the other.

Im fact women are better equipped to handle modern society than men, it's why they live longer on average and die less to suicide.

Women are strong from my perspective.

“Why did this law not exist?” Dude the country was literally just a collection of random colonies a few years prior, modern law/ morality didn’t just appear overnight

Marital rape was legal in Britain and around most of the world at that time too.

Your point was that patriarchy protects women, marital laws were specifically patriarchal and literally allowed women in marriages to be raped. That is not a protection of women.

“Why would you be against them voting” I already explained why. Because I don’t want them to be drafted to war which you’ve advocated for MULTIPLE times. I’m sorry if that upsets you dude, that doesn’t mean I hate women or think they’re weak

Why do you have a problem with women going to war but not men going to war? I believe war in general is wrong.

Your only reason for disallowing women's rights to vote is because of war?

How many women soldiers have died at war?

How many women have died at the hands of their husband's in the past because they were forced to stay in a physically abusive marriage?

Why do you only care when they are sent to war but not when they are raped and beaten by their husband's LEGALLY in the eyes of the law?

FFS man image your mother being forced to kill Someone

Imagine your father being forced to kill someone. Many men break down when forced to kill people. War sucks for everyone, i don't see it as a justification for mantaining a patriarchal society where Women are consistently treated as 2nd class citizens.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“Women HAD to marry” They WANTED to marry

“More people are haunt casual sex” Here I googled it for you -“

Sex in general is declining

The share of young adults with no sex in the past year doubled (12% → 24%) from 2010–2024 Overall sexual frequency has declined compared to past decades.

“SSri’s don’t turn you into a vegetable” debatable

“Christian orthodox” makes up literally 1% of American Christians.

“They can accept death” but can’t accept being alive ? Which is the atheists of depression. Faulty logic on your part.

“To cover from men” I’m a man who chooses to wears long sleeve even in the summer because I don’t like the female gaze. Does that mean I’m suffering from misandry ?

“Women should be able to do what they want to do” If a woman wants to jump from a bridge and end her own life, I will stop her 100% of the time I’m sorry if that upsets you

I work in a field where 90% of Co workers are women. They literally have to work to support their children when 9/10 of them would rather be at home raising them. That choice no longer exists and I’m allowed to be sad for them.

“Women don’t work physical jobs” I’m very well aware the burden of doing the jobs that make society function , like trades, falls on men. While women do jobs like…. HR and marketing.

“Women are strong” again I’m not disagreeing

‘Marital rape was legal”

1) that didn’t mean it was common 2) that doesn’t mean it no longer exists

Just not a good argument.

“The patriarchy allowed the marital rape” I’m confused are we still In the patriarchy ? If so why do the laws now exist ?

“Why ok for men to go to war but not women 😭” I literally already explained it. Bros failing to understand literally all of human history.

“I believe war is wrong 😢” so does literally everyone else

“How many women have died in war” too many

“How many women have died by their husbands” I’m sure that number hasn’t changed

“Why don’t you care when they’re raped and beaten 😢” strawman. I literally told you the woman’s brothers/ father should kill her abuser (which used to be the norm and still is , in places like Latin America)

“Imagine you father killing-“ done. I can imagine him killing 100 people without losing any sleep.

Basically you live in a false reality that men for all of human history into 100 years ago hated women and oppressed them. You think relationships are better when all of humanity has a sub replacement birth rate

You believe in the myth of equality. We now live in a world where hundreds of Thousands of American women do only fans when they turn 18. Where women are unhappier , have to literally die in war etc

But that’s ok because… women couldn’t take out credits cards and go into debt ? lol

I hate that you can vote we should take you voting rights instead of conservative women

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rascal3199@reddit

“More people are haunt casual sex” Here I googled it for you -“

Sex in general is declining

The share of young adults with no sex in the past year doubled (12% → 24%) from 2010–2024 Overall sexual frequency has declined compared to past decades.

Do you know what casual sex is? You are not differentiating sex in a relationship from casual sex in what you googled.

People had sex more on average before because more people got married younger. Early 1900s 80-90% of people eventually married.

So only 10-20% MIGHT have had casual sex because they weren't married and of this percentage it was probably a small amount since these people already had trouble finding a marriage partner.

Nowadays almost half of the population is unmarried. Many more people for casual sex encounters.

So let me know if you find info on percentage of actual casual sex back then vs now.

“Christian orthodox” makes up literally 1% of American Christians.

We are the same as Catholic Christians just more traditional/conservative something you would agree with given your conservative views. I don't see what % of population in US has to do with it either, doesn't change the fact that if you have no faith church does nothing.

“They can accept death” but can’t accept being alive ? Which is the atheists of depression. Faulty logic on your part.

It's not fault logic. It's exactly the point. Average depressed person without terminal illness is depressed because of issues in their life and WANTS life to end.

Average person with terminal illness is depressed BECAUSE their life is going to end.

“To cover from men” I’m a man who chooses to wears long sleeve even in the summer because I don’t like the female gaze. Does that mean I’m suffering from misandry ?

Are you purposefully misunderstanding what i say? The root reason hijab/niqab were made was so that women would cover themselves from the male gaze.

And both you and I know that you don't wear a long sleeve due to the female gaze, as a Man i have never had to worry about a woman's gaze. Women have to be on guard especially when the community they live in tells then they must cover themselves to "not tempt" men as if the female body were purely some sexual object and not the normal anatomy of a human being. When a community treats Women this way of course you end up with even more cases of rampant misoginy.

“Women should be able to do what they want to do” If a woman wants to jump from a bridge and end her own life, I will stop her 100% of the time I’m sorry if that upsets you

Yeah i agree with you, but you're tripping over yourself because you don't want them to take SSRIs that lower the odds of suicide.

You don't want them to have a vote so they can vote against misogynistic laws like those that allowed marital rape and intra-marital abuse.

I work in a field where 90% of Co workers are women. They literally have to work to support their children when 9/10 of them would rather be at home raising them. That choice no longer exists and I’m allowed to be sad for them.

Uh sure Men also would like to be at hone raising their children. That's capitalism for you. Your point?

“Women don’t work physical jobs” I’m very well aware the burden of doing the jobs that make society function , like trades, falls on men. While women do jobs like…. HR and marketing.

Again quoting something I never said. Read my comment.

‘Marital rape was legal”

1) that didn’t mean it was common 2) that doesn’t mean it no longer exists

Yeah but something being legal meand there are no legal repercussions for it, essentially allowing it.

That is a patriarchal law that you say protects women.

“The patriarchy allowed the marital rape” I’m confused are we still In the patriarchy ? If so why do the laws now exist ?

We no longer live in a strictly state sponsored patriarchal society. Nowadays it is only perpetuated by a few conservative communities. A woman is no longer discriminated in western society by the law in my eyes although some people might disagree.

The laws now exist because the Patriarchy has been slowly dismantled over the course of a century.

Do you believe the patriarchy now is equally as strong as it was back then? If you say patriarchy protects women why did the state allow marital rape at a time when patriarchy was very prevalent?

“Why ok for men to go to war but not women 😭” I literally already explained it. Bros failing to understand literally all of human history.

“I believe war is wrong 😢” so does literally everyone else

“How many women have died in war” too many

“How many women have died by their husbands” I’m sure that number hasn’t changed

“Why don’t you care when they’re raped and beaten 😢” strawman. I literally told you the woman’s brothers/ father should kill her abuser (which used to be the norm and still is , in places like Latin America)

I live in Latin America and that is not the norm genius.

For one you're saying the responsability of protecting a woman falls to the family of the woman. What if she has no brothers or father? What if she doesn't get along with them? What if they sold her off to her husband like it occurs in many middle Eastern countries.

The state is a objective 3rd party that always exists. Do you genuinely believe it was better if these laws protecting women didn't exist so the "family" could sort it out? Think about what point you are trying to make here.

Unconditional Military draft doesn't target women like patriarchal laws estabilishing a woman is her husband's property.

I find the state purposefully allowing rape and physical abuse to be much much worse, but it seems you don't!

“Imagine you father killing-“ done. I can imagine him killing 100 people without losing any sleep.

Why do you not care about what a man has to go through but care when it's a woman?

Basically you live in a false reality that men for all of human history into 100 years ago hated women and oppressed them. You think relationships are better when all of humanity has a sub replacement birth rate

Yeah except for a few matriarchal societies. Until recently majority of jobs were physical jobs and that's why men ruled. Last 100 years we shifted to less dependance on physical jobs and now majority are intellectual/social so women can finally compete and surpass us.

You believe in the myth of equality. We now live in a world where hundreds of Thousands of American women do only fans when they turn 18. Where women are unhappier , have to literally die in war etc

You do know everyone is unhappy not just women right? Social media, over population, rich get richer, etc. All contribute. In fact as i state multiple times Men have a higher suicide rate than women so if anything we are unhappier than women on average.

But that’s ok because… women couldn’t take out credits cards and go into debt ? lol

And they couldn't vot, couldn't go to police when their husband raped or beat them, couldn't buy property, couldn't drive, couldn't go out without a male escorts, etc.

All of this state mandated.

The state isn't forcing women to be unhappy, everyone is unhappier. Why can't you make the distinction between the state telling women what they can and can't do vs just letting them do whatever they want?

Do you think women are so weak that they must be shielded from thinking for themselves and doing what they like?

You say you don't believe they are weak and say "it's because men are strong" but we commit suicide more than women. Why not protect men in the same way?

I hate that you can vote we should take you voting rights instead of conservative women

OK bro.

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rascal3199@reddit

“60-80% were performed on women” and how many of those women consented ? Last i checked a large majority consented to the operation. Women have always been more likely to seek treatment for mental health issues.

Rosemary Kennedy was part of the well known Kennedy family. Her father did not seek consent from her or her mother. She was strapped down and lobotomized.

I have never met a white girl who had a distinct personality from what is conceived as the "norm" and it's kinda demoralising. Except for autists who cannot function with assistance from someone else, they always have the same 5 interests that are in the zeitgeist in that given month

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Alexander_Russo@reddit

People who can't defend themselves physically (women, children, weak men) parse information through a consensus filter as a safety mechanism.

They literally do not ask "is this true", they ask "will others be OK with me thinking this is true".

This makes them very malleable to brute force manufactured consensus; if every screen they look at says the same thing they will adopt that position because their brain interprets it as everyone in the tribe believing it.

Only the powerful and aneurotypical people (Autism shoutout) are actually free to parse new information with an objective "is this true?" filter.

This is why your average white woman has no personality, they conform to one another, and all in turn conform to pop culture.

Alternatively: "Women stop existing when alone", because they become mirrors with nothing to reflect, chameleons with nothing to imitate, their camouflage is useless without a social environment to blend into.

That's my theory, feel free to debate me.

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Arkiiana@reddit

naw i love my alone time that's when i can create, draw and think about stuff. When socializing I only show ppl my personality/interests when I think they are worth my time and are actually interested. Most people don't care and that's fine. Online, people assume im a dude a lot of the times but I'm ok with it either way if gender has nothing to do with the discussion

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cheezie_toastie@reddit

Women stop existing when alone

... Is your argument that women do not have inner lives?

In my experience -- and I realize that the plural of anecdote is not data, but I want to mention it anyway -- men just don't bother getting to know the women around them. Most men see women as supporting characters instead of fully realized people in their own right.

It reminds me of that one study showing that while both men and women want a partner with a sense of humor, they define that differently. Women want a man with a sense of humor, meaning that he makes jokes. Men want a woman with a sense of humor, meaning that she laughs at his jokes.

To me that implies that if men see women as only having mirror personalities, it's because they want a woman whose personality will mirror his own.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

I believe this phenomena is dubbed by Ted Kaczynski as “over socialization” spurred by chronic internet usage at a young age

It can especially be seen in trans people. I stumbled across a 14 year old Redditor yesterday, they identified as MTF. I checked their history and I could literally pin point the moment they discovered and started engaging in the trans community and eventually identifying as trans when they were just 11 years old. He want from posting about Fortnite and memes to only trans shit

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DonaldLucas@reddit

heir version of TikTok is very different in the sense that it’s education-based

This is a lie, and not even a chinese lie, but a western commie lie.

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biogoly@reddit

Dude, FFS they are the undisputed KINGS of brain-rot trends. We live in their doom-scrolling shadow.

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HiTekLoLyfe@reddit

Re-education based

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NutsInMay96@reddit

Ehh, I did see a shopkeeper playing simultaneous games of counter strike on separate phones and plenty of people driving mopeds whilst watching movies so I reckon there’s still a fair bit of brain melting going on

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whitcliffe@reddit

Was just in shenzhen and the amount of ppl smoking indoors and spitting everywhere is nuts. Also the moped riding on pavements and in ground floors of shopping malls 🤣🤣

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urixl@reddit

simultaneous games of counter strike on separate phones

top 1% Commenter 20k+ karma on 2 year old acct says women and trans use internet too much

Ok

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JustChillin3456@reddit

I’m also hopelessly addicted (which is how you know I’m speaking from experience) and would be in a much better place if I didn’t use reddit

I need to read his manifesto, everything I hear of it is so based.

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EtteRavan@reddit

https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/\~rogaway/classes/188/materials/Industrial%20Society%20and%20Its%20Future.pdf

It's litteraly one quick google search away

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Velghast@reddit

I mean it's an abstract. You could basically fathom any level of dystopian nightmares from what he wrote or a Utopia. In the end it's what Ted thought the end of the world look like and what we were going to. There was no for saw future, there was only what a man thought the future would hold.

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I’ve read it and about 90% of what he predicted has come true definitely worth the read

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TeslaCrna@reddit

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JustChillin3456@reddit

I agree, kids should be banned from the internet

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Let me get this straight.

You ran across a random child on the internet and obsessively read their their profile history to determine when they discovered and began engaging with Trans content.

And you think you're not the weird one in this story? Bro, this is actually unhinged behavior

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Chicken_wingspan@reddit

Fuck me, thank you for this I thought I was crazy seeing everyone ignoring this absolute cringelord talking about stalking a child online to prove some imaginary point AND stating that "they" are the weird ones. I am mildly shocked.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

a child has unrestricted internet access, ends up being groomed into believing he’s something he’s not, this all happens under the guise and protection of Reddit / its moderators. And bros mad at for for noticing it

Humans deserve oppression

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dannerc@reddit

Yeah.. stalking children on the internet because of some misguided sense of moral superiority is not great

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“Stalking children”

going through one kids account one time to make sure it wasn’t a LARP

“Moral superiority”

genuine concern

Nice try tho

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dannerc@reddit

Bro, reading through years of a child's comment history is weird. Full stop. I'm sorry if this is news to you

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Comments ? lol it was their posts and took me 3 minutes tops

It was removed for cursing

HippoRun23@reddit

We probably shouldn’t have unleashed this Web 2.0 shit on the world. Should have been reserved for high speed information sharing with scientific discoveries and not “I hate my dick and breeding is a waste of time”.

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thereoncewasahat@reddit

That's pretty creepy of you to stalk that much.

I'm sure you're right though.

Ask a white girl to name 5 ancestors from her lineage (she can't)

Should could name 100 celebrities that don't know she exists

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Unusual_Round_1631@reddit

girls don't care about things I care about and have their own interests, so basic!

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Reapero8841@reddit

Your lineage and history isn't important

Maysock@reddit

That's because you're probably 17 and you play video games 30+ hours a week.

Sorry, your post has been removed. You must have more than 25 karma to submit posts to /r/4chan.

And mysteriously all the POC families always consist of 10+ members with tons of children in each one, with an overwhelming majority of those families having 1 to 2 working members

You’d rather have extra money to do what exactly ? Fuck off to Disney land ? Buy the newest videa to distract yourself from life until you’re a lonely old man ?

Would I rather enjoy life or be poor and raise kids?

Let's see, FUCKING ENJOY LIFE.

The reason rates of having kids is down is because intelligent people realized you can save money and enjoy life by not having kids.

Sorry you are lower on the scale there my dude. And many in this thread, guess it is called 4chan for a reason. Hah you regards.

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GREG_FABBOTT@reddit

I'm married to a Colombian woman that doesn't want kids. We take a big vacation every year. This year we are doing a road trip through Central Europe. I'm also on the market to buy a ZL1. Already have the funding lined up, just waiting to find a good example.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

You actually seem to be doing something worthwhile with your life instead of rotting at home, I respect that

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Baldazar666@reddit

Lmao who are you to tell people which way to live their life is worthwhile? The arrogance is astounding.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

lol arrogance is pretending like all lives are equal

I can EASILY point to a school teacher who is a mother of 3, who volunteers at her local church

And point she contributes more to society than a unemployed 30 year old porn addict who lives in his mother basement

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Baldazar666@reddit

This isn't about contributions to society. It's about whether they way you live your life is worthwhile to you. And guess what? You don't get to make that decision for anyone other than yourself.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Actually yea I do get to judge other people just like others have judged me in this very thread

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Baldazar666@reddit

This isn't about judging people. You seem to be unable to understand that you don't get to decide if people's way of life is worthwhile.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Actually I do just like you got to decide that I don’t get to decide that

Americans will blame everything but refuse to acknowledge income inequality and Marxist class struggle.

Why would I make my life harder when the real wage and real COL graphs make a fucking K. People breed when they’re optimistic that things will get better. They don’t add misery to their lives when they can’t afford the house they grew up in.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

It’s literally libs that perpetuate race / sex based politics that completely ignore the class struggle

I can prove it too https://imgur.com/btvadW9

IMO the solution is to internet nationalism then begin rolling out socialist policy.

You’re so out of touch it’s genuinely scary. Having kids is a 24/7 job, doesn’t mean to only wake up earlier. Do you know anything about what happens after childbirth? The physical and mental condition of the mother is usually miserable. She’s still sore, bleeding, had her internal organs shifted, may struggle with postpartum depression an overall moodiness hence the sudden hormonal changes etc. Not to mention the relationship struggles at such times. And on the top of that, a newborn that needs constant care and attention, mostly from the mother.

In addition to all that, think about the hospital fees, the debt that comes with the childbirth. Not only are you obligated to pay for another family member from now on, but you’re also required to pay back a couple thousand dollars at least. That’s the minimum tho, let’s say you have a bad luck and someone’s health starts declining or something equally bad happens and you have to take care of it financially. Nowadays, the demography is that bad, because having kids is a privilege that not everyone can afford. Employment regulations and opportunities suck, the cost of living is getting higher and when it comes to the housing market, there has been no wage indexation relative to housing costs. Oh, and don’t forget about the rise of the radical right ideologies within the Gen Z men. The dating pool sucks as well here.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Yes I’m aware childcare especially in the early years involves pain and suffering. That’s life. Kids are an investment, by struggling now you have a much easier/ full filling end of life

“Having kids has become a privilege” that’s the issue

“The radical right 😭” what have they done exactly that’s so radical ? This country has never been less right wing and it’s also the worst it’s ever been. Funny how that works

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Nivi_1312@reddit

Wholly privatized healthcare is a con in and of itself, if there are private healthcare institutions functioning side by side public ones you could make an argument it has pros and cons. Not now while all people of your whole ass country are depending on their income to get fucking medical care. It's a human right bro

“Lower standard of living” when it just means waking up earlier and having a much better end of life.

Yes sure bro, I know it's unimaginable for you but some people like the life they're living. They make do and travel here and there, in between wageslaving. They have hobbies, they have jobs and promising careers, they want to educate themselves further. Why would kids necessarily be worth that sacrifice? Not even going to talk about raising kids in a world that fucking hates both kids and parents and the economy being atrocious (don't even give me the caveman argument bro, it's a drastically different context I could write paragraphs about). Also "waking up earlier" is a really daft oversimplification of what it takes to actually take care of kids.

Dude nationalism and socialism don’t immediately mean Nazism

National Socialism is the full name of Nazism bro, holy. Read a book (preferably one besides the Kazinsky manifesto).

“Revolution without the death of millions😢” then it’s not a real revolution

A revolution is not defined by the number of victims but the degree of radical change it brought to a certain area. I am well aware people die in revolution wars, I would still call that drastically different than dying with women and children in a gas chamber.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“It’s a human rights” if that were the case should doctors be chained to hospital to perform life saving surgery’s 16 hours a day ? No? Then it’s not a human right.

“Bro it’s in the name !” By that logic is North Korea a democracy ? 🤭

show me any meaningful revolution without mass death.

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Nivi_1312@reddit

“It’s a human rights” if that were the case should doctors be chained to hospital to perform life saving surgery’s 16 hours a day ? No? Then it’s not a human right.

If you are seriously arguing that medical care is not a human right you are brainwashed by the propaganda of your capitalist country altogether. And I don't know if you know, doctors and nurses already ARE chained in their hospitals for 16 hours +/- ,they just take fucking turns. That's why their pay should be better and we should treat them like kings. It's a horribly stressful job BECAUSE medical care is a human right.

“Bro it’s in the name !” By that logic is North Korea a democracy ? 🤭

No, like bro, the term Nazi is literally short for Nationalsozialistische, they chose that name themselves, and tried to back it up, in their strange way.

show me any meaningful revolution without mass death.

You misunderstood my original statement, that might be on me ( I'm not a native English speaker). I am well aware that oftentimes people die in revolutions. However it's radically different to die for a revolution whose system when in power is gonna kill millions more.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“Chained” Lmao the absolute irony is that in communist countries like Cuba doctors are literally NOT allowed to leave their country. Meanwhile more doctors immigrate to America than any other country . Why is that ? Oh that’s right ! Because they make more money in America than any other country by far. It’s almost like a profit incentive is actually a good thing when it comes to dedicating your entire life to practice healthcare.

So do go on about the horrors of capitalism this is truly hilarious

Again I’m not sure how else I can explain this. You can literally use national socialism without genocide / state sponsored racism . Just like you can have communism without mass murder

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Nivi_1312@reddit

“Chained” Lmao the absolute irony is that in communist countries like Cuba doctors are literally NOT allowed to leave their country. Meanwhile more doctors immigrate to America than any other country . Why is that ? Oh that’s right ! Because they make more money in America than any other country by far.

Chained is a term you yourself used by the way, I just stated that by your logic, that is how it works. Also many doctors in systems with socialist policies get free housing, especially if their workplace is in a rural area. The lack of incentive thing is a myth proposed by capitalists because they themselves cannot deal with the fact that systems exist in which people are motivated not by profit, but by the need to help people and better their community. That is not to say it was all perfect and free from error, it wasn't but at least doctors don't count the pennies in your pocket when treating you.

To address your point about healthcare in America, be that as it may, it doesn't address the simple fact that medical care is a basic human right, a need. You need water when you're thirsty, you need care when you're sick. You are so brainwashed by your country that would rather have you think that you deserve medical care proportional to your income then treat you as a human being. Your country hates you, it treats you like an expendable human recourse it can replace. Your country wants you to justify your existsence by wageslaving at McDonald's only to abandon you as you're sick and dying if you don't have enough on your account. Your country keeps you stupid and complacent by making education inaccessible through student debt, and makes a slave out of you later in life it can replace with another unfortunate person and you people keep telling yourself that that's ok. You were asking about declining birth rates, well let me tell you, where I'm from families don't need to take out a loan if they have complications with birth, if their child is sick or they themselves feel unwell. Public healthcare is just objectively a huge factor in making your country a more motivating place for raising children. Even disregarding the economics and the fact that it would take a huge financial load of parents, at end of the day, people like having guaranteed care, people SHOULD have guaranteed care.

Again I’m not sure how else I can explain this. You can literally use national socialism without genocide / state sponsored racism . Just like you can have communism without mass murder

Nowhere does communism stand for mass murder? National socialism is however a name for a group of specific policies and structures that were implemented by the Nazi party in which socialist principles that in practice didn't exist were basically bait for the workers to vote for them. Socialist Nationalist (which I assume you actually mean when you say National Socialism) system have never been found to work in practice because those are 2 beliefs whose values crash at its core. It is not truly left nor is it truly right, it's a copium construct for hopeless romantics that promises nationalistic aestheticism of your country implemented with socialist structures, but that kind of reign can only be short lived with its ultimate end goal of falling into either ultimate nationalism or left wing socialism.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“Free housing” and it’s a literal shack with a hole to shit in.

“Doctors are only motivated to help people 😭” what a fantasy ! Actually hilarious !

Hey pal , calling something a human right doesn’t magically render it immune to scarcity 🤭

“Public healthcare will motivate you to have more children” literally every country except those in Africa currently has sub replacement birth rates.

“Socialist nationalist are at odds” Please explain how. And I’d be happy with just nationalism tbh

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Nivi_1312@reddit

“Free housing” and it’s a literal shack with a hole to shit in.

That is a statement said without any semblance of truth and said in bad faith. Most often those people get dignified, even modern living conditions. Not only do I know that that's a general fact I know it first hand.

“Doctors are only motivated to help people 😭” what a fantasy ! Actually hilarious !

Alright bro if you say so, I know it has to be unimaginable for you to imagine that people have other motives than money but it's true. Not only in science, but in art, music etc. There's an innate need to create and help and we've been discovering and improving things without a profit incentive for eons, especially once we're satiated. I know, it is unfathomable for someone to have empathy and be very passionate about what they're doing.

“Public healthcare will motivate you to have more children” literally every country except those in Africa currently has sub replacement birth rates.

Why would Africa matter in this context? You asked what would motivate people in America to have kids, I answered and said multiple arguments as to why would Public Healthcare be one of the reasons as to why. There is a difference between America and other countries in the west that have a great living standard and level of happiness, and that is that people in such countries don't have, or have less kids because they like their life that way. People in America don't have kids because they're pisspoor and have too much to lose ( the too much being literally just an apartment and job). The only thing you've been continuously answering with (while not addressing pretty much any of your ignorance and hipocrisy) is "No you're wrong, you don't know anything".

“Socialist nationalist are at odds” Please explain how. And I’d be happy with just nationalism tbh

Because it is a system made by guys like you that want socialist principles but with the machismo of right-wing aesthetics. It's not cool for you to say that objectively right wing countries are shit to live in because the aesthetics of left wing systems are not cool enough for you. Fundamentally, those set of beliefs are at odds because one celebrates community and no man left behind principles whilst other celebrates individualism and each man for himself principles. That could function only for a limited amount of time until a part of the population starts to promote exclusively one or the other. Also I don't know if you understand, nationalism by itself isn't a political system, it's a set of beliefs and an ideology that in practice often becomes ethnocentric and xenophobic.

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laihipp@reddit

paying a living wage

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JustChillin3456@reddit

That will happen when we stop importing cheap foreign labor

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laihipp@reddit

bro, reading your comments is just painful lmao

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“How can we solve decadence of western nations?”

“Hurr durr pay dah living wage🤪”

Dude no way ! if only someone else thought of that !!

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laihipp@reddit

oh they did, then they invested in AI because profits

you do realize people benefiting from increasing pay to a living wage are not the ones making decisions about said wages right?

we don't need foreign workers or a well educated and paid workforce if they're mostly robots

we're just in the early stages of the industrial revolution labor edition

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JustChillin3456@reddit

The masses have the power to vote, we can vote to end H1B visas, immigration, Ai regulation etc

You are correct that coming Ai change / mass lay offs are inevitable . It’s why Andrew yang has gone full Black pill on social media recently

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laihipp@reddit

The masses have the power to vote, we can vote to end H1B visas, immigration, Ai regulation etc

almost like there is a reason we keep defunding education

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Club_Penguin_Legend_@reddit

Immigration doesnt need to end, it just needs to be much more strict.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Agreed , but apparently that makes you a fascist

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Nivi_1312@reddit

Quotas for immigrat work force is a socialist principle. Seeing immigrants as lesser and trying to almost entirely close borders of a country (built by said immigrants) is fascist sure.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Brother Karl Marx himself warned of the 1% using immigrants to break down unions/ prevent a revolution

It’s funny how lefties don’t actually read their own theory

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Nivi_1312@reddit

Brother Karl Marx himself warned of the 1% using immigrants to break down unions/ prevent a revolution

I agree? That's why I support quotas? It's better both for them and us.

“Built by immigrants” it was built by pioneers and settlers

By definition they literally immigrated from their respective nations, and therefore are immigrants. Why tf are you people acting like the word "immigrant" will give you the plague it's really not a big deal, immigration has technically been a part of world history for eons.

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educated enough to have a modicum of self-control

Education == Self-Control?

it is a terrible idea to handicap yourself in a situation where you are barely hanging on.

What a "situation where you barely hanging on"?
You listed it yourself. We are talking about a group of people who arguably have one of the best conditions in this regard in the entire history of humanity. In most historical cultures, you would not have had access to birth control or anything like it.

Now that I've spelled this out for you in a way that an elementary school kid can understand you don't get to pretend to not understand it anymore.

I understand it even less now.
If there is a group of people who could be expected to have large families and many children, we would expect to see them in the "First World". However, empirical data suggest otherwise.

Legitimate-Trip8422@reddit

Yes, Having kids when you can’t even provide food or shelter is indeed regarded, good morning. The only difference between you and an Afrlcan is that you are born privileged, the apelike regardness remains the same across.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Bro think most humans born throughout history has easy access to food / shelter / medicine

Legitimate-Trip8422@reddit

Yes, Having kids when you can’t even provide food or shelter is indeed regarded, good morning. The only difference between you and an African is that you are born privileged, the ape regardness remains the same across.

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token_internet_girl@reddit

That's because they don't have access to birth control, education on pregnancy prevention, or much of a choice.

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It’s literally the truth 😂 women look back on history as though they faced constant abuse through men and they hate this country for being “patriarchal” despite it being the least patriarchal nation to ever exist

Me planning on having kids has already irrevocably changed my life for the better

It’s inspired me to meet my part, To go back to school, to turn down the dozens of women who have offered to have casual relationships (loyalty is worth more than gold)!

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19Alexastias@reddit

Yeah I’m sure you’ve put loads of effort into “planning to have kids”. It’s much more cost effective to plan to have kids then it is to actually have them.

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Candidwisc@reddit

As someone who has been there and lived there, the situation is different and isn't comparable to the situation going on in the west.

In developed areas there people are having less kids, the birth rate is being held up by the less developed and poorest areas and the children they have by birth birth in a more developed area.

Lots of people are less attached to their kids and less worried about their outcome than people in the west.

Those kids are also labor early in their lives first they take care of household activities(house chores, maybe helping mom sell phone credit) , then do outside work like helping with the field, then they go do real work like selling food in the streets or helping miners or fishing.

They don't need to go to school at the same time either, a lot of families send 1 or 2 kids to school at a time, it was a common sight for me around west africa to see 16 year olds in the equivalent of 7th grade.

A lot of people wear rags and use hand me downs, no need for expensive clothes, school materials, etc.

They living a completely different life than Westerners.

Those subsaharan Africans in developed areas are living similar lives and their birth rate is also plummeting and is only being held up by new families moving to the cities or officials lying about a growing birth rate for more funding for them to steal.

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McCrackenYouUp@reddit

I for one can't believe that any person wouldn't look to the obvious dystopian future we're heading towards, where the ultra rich intend to create a "techocracy" where nobody below them owns anything and are virtually serfs at their every whim, and wouldn't want to make their descendants deal with the shit show we've created.

If it's not concern for the future, is it that they think they're not worth having or that they don't want to deal with the responsibility while they selfishly continue to be consumers in our vapid society?

Your analysis is kind of superficial and seems to place all the blame on women while we have allowed American men to become some of the biggest little bitches walking on our planet, too.

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-Desolada-@reddit

This is always such a laughably out-of-touch concept. Yeah, bro, being born into 2026 in a place like America is just such hell. Compared to the prior hundreds of thousands of years where you could die a horrible death from drinking out of a puddle, or coming across a rival tribe, or had an actual realistic chance of dying in childbirth but they still had 10 kids. Or the high birth rates in objectively shittier places to live all over the modern world.

But sure, because billionaires exist and stuff is on a subscription service and people are vapid, being born right now is just SO intolerable. If only we could go back to 30,000 B.C.

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McCrackenYouUp@reddit

I mean, I'm doing great- have a decent job, bought a house, get to drive a fun car, tear it up in the mountains and the streets on various boards, get to make art whenever I want, have ladies much younger than me regularly giving me the eyes, and I don't disagree there is a lot to be stoked about in general. Nor do I encourage anyone to do anything different than what they would do anyway. A lot of people I know are having kids, and a lot more are not.

Sure, things are pretty amazing compared to early humans that lived in caves and had to fight off sabretooth tigers. I didn't realize that was the bar we were comparing to. Really puts things into perspective. LOL

I'm still not impressed with where we are. I think we can do better.

All I'm trying to do here is explain why people are not having kids. In my state we had almost 20,000 more deaths than births last year. Are you suggesting there is no general feeling our population is having that's causing this? A shitload of people are absolutely struggling right now. I get the struggle isn't as bad as it once was, but if people don't want to bring kids into the world when they can barely afford their own lives, I don't blame them.

Again, I think we have a lot to be pretty happy about, too. That doesn't change how I see our future due to the trends society seems to be taking.

What Marxists, and what revolution? The United States is a corporate oligarchy where there is no real opposition. The Democrats are just about as responsible for the mess we're in as the Republicans. Or do you think the Dems help Republicans just enough in congress EVERY time because those 3-4 Dems really just happen to agree with Repubs on JUST that one thing? We are completely cucked to monied interests.

MAGA has shown us how rotten our system is to the core. The presidency can literally be a mechanism to siphon money through a plethora of avenues not previously out in the open. I'm curious how that can ever be a good thing.

You've got your head completely in the sand if you don't see the degradation of our society over the past 30-40 years. We are at a crossroads. Better heads may prevail, or not.

If you think people with kids won't feel like they have nothing to lose when they can't feed themselves or their families anymore, I don't know what to tell you. I hope it doesn't go there, but it's not out of the realm of possibility either.

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koifarming@reddit

Personally, I think it's just too much effort, and I wouldn't be able to give it a decent childhood, not to mention my weird (physical and mental) genes. It's like if I can't raise it properly, why even spawn it? 29M and I still feel 18 and want to do my own things in life. Who knows if my mind changes at some point though.

I'm just yapping here but yeah, I definitely agree that now is objectively a much better time to have children compared to a thousand years ago or something. Sure, maybe 20 years ago was better, but we're still in a good spot imo. It's all about how you see the world, and I've always been a bloomer and rolling my eyes at doomer takes.

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ShakuSwag@reddit

I think you're right, personally. There's never going to be a "best moment" to have kids. There's always going to be some strange bleak outlook if you twist it enough.

That being said, I've met a few parents that have had regrets on having children. It's a small handful, and one them has a birth-defect, so I can understand that one more. Not to say every parent thinks this way, but there are a small percentage of them that have regrets.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

My goal was to never blame women , their nihilism is just the most apparent

Men are also to blame for not starting families, for engaging in vices like porn , for not becoming leaders and role models etc

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bumf1@reddit

people’s interest in reproduction is linked to their perception of resource availability, so when you have two generations that have the lowest earning and saving rates and a high percentage living with their parents, it shouldn’t be a surprise that they reproduce less.

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Iceklimber@reddit

Patented lie: Poor immigrants reproduce way more despite 0 Income. Inversely, all countries that raised child benefits saw decline of birthrates.

Hate Redditors so much it's unreal.

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oby100@reddit

Not really true though. It’s quite the mystery as to why even in more stable countries where affordability isn’t as much of an issue, people still won’t have enough kids to maintain the population.

To me, it’s dead simple. People have more children when kids are a net benefit to their life. In very poor countries, even a child’s labor can be invaluable to your survival. By the time they’re adults, you’re old and can lean on them for survival.

Developed countries haven’t figured out yet how to translate this deal to modernity so instead having children is a fucking massive drain on your resources and often the ideal result is them fucking off at 18 and never supporting you.

It’s just a shit deal. Can’t tell you how to address the problem but that’s really the long and the short of it

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Countermove@reddit

Pretty sure education is also inversely related to the amount of kids someone has. I personally think lower birth rates are a non-issue, we have 8 billion people on this planet we really don't need to keep multiplying. We can absolutely address problems like income and quality of life but they don't need to translate into having more kids.

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Buddy. None of this is true. Whether you came up with this or were convinced of it by Alex Jones or whatever, it's not the case.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

I think women are not meant to work grueling 9-5 jobs , I think their nature is that of empathy, they are happiest caring for others instead of being corporate slaves. Not only am I engaged im hit on fairly often but nothing means more to me than loyalty.

2 . “White women anti white” not sure what that means but that’s basically proving my point 🤭

“None of this is true” explain to me the Female Happiness Paradox

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scotems@reddit

I think women are not meant to work grueling 9-5 jobs , I think their nature is that of empathy, they are happiest caring for others instead of being corporate slaves.

Firstly, no human is meant to be a "corporate slave", male or female. Secondly, you're saying what women are meant to be and what they like. Maybe let them make decisions for themselves?

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JustChillin3456@reddit

They have decided and I’ve seen the outcome

There’s nothing more to say except

Return to tradition

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scotems@reddit

Ah, so they aren't exactly what you like. Sorry to say but that's life, once you grow up maybe you'll be able to adapt to the world and find that it''s pretty cool.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Them being miserable and unhappy ? Correct I don’t like that

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scotems@reddit

Them being miserable and unhappy

Who are you to determine that?

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Google the Yale study “The Female Happiness paradox”

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I didn’t need demoralization when I understand climate science, biome diversity, and don’t pt human life in higher esteem than other forms of life.

I know that last point is where a lot of people get hung up because they think humans are a superior species. But the very fact you’re reading this comment in this sub proves you’re not as superior as yon think you dna makes you.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

I’m curious do you think any other species does anything else but put themselves above the rest ?

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Jibjumper@reddit

No but the difference is we have sentience. Which makes us have a higher level of responsibility. So when we continue to act like a cancer we actually have some accountability for our actions.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

We are literally the only species that cares for and preserves the lives of thousands of other species

“We act like a cancer” speak for yourself

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UtahMan94@reddit

It is estimated that humans kill over 2 billion vertebrate animals every single year from cars alone. Over 1 million vertebrate animals are killed by cars every single day in America alone. What is the response to this atrocity? Deem it a necessary evil and normalize it as “roadkill” since we’re more important than all other life and have places to be.

I left out all the environmental destruction from making roads, parking lots, mining for resources, gas & oil, pollution, etc. Even in roadkill alone we’ve brought countless species to extinction.

We are growing at an exponential rate and wreaking havoc where ever we spread as we threaten to kill the very host that we survive on. Sounds like cancer to me.

We are bringing about a new extinction event. Humanity itself will likely not go extinct, but we will see a massive extinction event and we will kill almost all of life on earth in the process. Hell, it’s currently estimated that since 1970 we have decimated the global wildlife population by 60-75%.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“Necessary evil” yes

“Kill our host” humans will die LONG before the earth does

“Humanity has killed” literally ANY other species would do EXACTLY as we have if they had the capacity to do so

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Jibjumper@reddit

So you’re not denying humans are a cancer? If you agree any other species would kill us the way we kill them if they had the power, then you’re admitting we are cancerous. It’s us above all others.

So be the big bad cancer cell. Replicate and reproduce regardless of the consequence to your host because you value yourself more than anything else.

Just don’t tell me you’re the selfless one for creating more cancer cells.

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Yeah, and what about famine caused by the new dust bowl? Or running out of water? What happens when everyone around you is running low on resources? Are you gonna single handedly protect them from that?

You’re isolating yourself and ignoring the collective humanity happening around you. We have world leaders actively threatening nukes because we’re already starting to feel the strain of what climate change is doing to human society.

What happens when someone throws a nuke and your family is in the radius? Or what happens when we have a new dust bowl and can’t reliably produce enough food for everyone? What happens when sea levels rise high enough to flood major cities? 70% of the global population lives within 5 miles of the coast and would have to migrate.

The consequences of humanities actions will kill BILLIONS over the next few decades. More than half of all human life will more than likely die off and we will take almost all other natural life with us. Any child brought into that world will likely be the one to suffer the worst consequences and fallout of anyone else.

We broke free from the natural order long ago and have proven to be unable to handle that responsibility and as such have wrought our own destruction. I may not have had any say in being here, but I am not required to proliferate.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Modern hydroponics and water filtration systems will make those a non issue

“You” again I’m Literally just one dude what humanity chooses to do has nothing to do with my options. This is literally human nature to be this way I’m sorry if that upsets you

“But what happens if a bomb drops on your head” I die

“We can’t handle that responsibility” here’s me issue. YOU can’t handle that responsibility / pressure. Meanwhile 4 brave souls just got shot out into the atmosphere so we can take the necessary steps to harvest unlimited resources by reaching to the stars

We’re trying. Humanity is trying. And you ? What do you do besides trying to convince others to take the black pill

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UtahMan94@reddit

“humans will die LONG before the earth does” That’s literally the point. The earth can change all it wants and not care at all. It matters to us. If we change it to sometime inhospitable WE die with out hospitable environment. We’re taking that natural world that sustains our life for granted and actively destroy it in such a manner that it will change to a climate that will kill the vast majority of existing life, including ourselves, and a lot sooner than expected.

In my lifetime, the Great Salt Lake will likely dry up and make a massive swath of land inhabitable and it will kill millions. This is in my own backyard. This is not isolated and shit like this happening all over the globe. 70% of coral reefs are dead. Bio-diversity is plummeting. Dangerous weather is increasing dramatically. The caps are dying.

Even the most conservative climate models prove that we are beyond the tipping point and would need to actively work at undoing our damage and reversing course just to mitigate the fallout. As such, we will see major droughts, famines, and mass migrations that will create war and conflict over scarce resources and it will result in mass casualties that will cause the global population to plummet.

If I had a child today, this cataclysm will likely happen right in the middle of their lifespan. Why would I bring someone into this world right now to needlessly suffer and die as they are likely swept up and destroyed by humanities hubris.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

And if humanity goes extinct would that not be us getting what we deserve?

“We” we we we you keep saying “WE” when it’s literally some people more than others. Not just celebrities taking private jets I mean countries like India that dump their water in the river for other nations to clean up.

How exactly should you and I stop that ? Why do you think that the pollution countries crate is out of malice instead of necessity to fuel our homes/ cars/ lives ? No there’s NOT enough resources to go around. Yes every nation is in competition with one another

“That will likely happen in the middle of their lifespan” zero evidence for such a claim, literally on pair with global warming ending the world 20 years ago

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Jibjumper@reddit

I’m not speaking g for myself. I’m citing scientific fucking facts based on what humans as a collective do to the world globally.

Facts:

Roughly 117 billion people have ever lived since the start of what we consider “modern humans”.

In the modern day we kill 80-90 billion (with a b) land animals for food production PER YEAR. That includes chickens, pigs, cows, and other modern livestock. Chickens making up the majority.

When you add in fish that numbers jumps into the TRILLIONS annually. Literally trillions of fish. It is hard to pin down exact figures because fish is counted by weight not exact number of fish.

I feel very confident in stating we’re a fucking cancer on the natural world.

There used to be between 30-60 million Bison in North America before European settlement. That number cratered to as low as 1,000 in less than 100 years.

There’s plastic in the bottom of the Marianas trench. Humans are destroying this plant.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

How many billions of fish do other fish eat ? How many billions of land animals do cats eat ?

Plastic that will Exist in the grand scheme of things in a blink of an eye. I feel like it’s hard for you to conceptualize humanity’s brief second of existence compared to trillion of years

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Jibjumper@reddit

If you come to the same conclusion that nothing we do matters in the end then why would I chose to further our parasitic species destruction of the world? Objectively there would be less pain, suffering, and death. If you agree the planet will die anyway; I just hold the position that a few billion humans feeling happy from fucking eating other animals, and getting warm and fuzzies from pretending anything they do isn’t anything more than self serving bs that mostly doesn’t matter, isn’t worth subjecting the world and other humans to the misery concocted by our species.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

That’s literally what I’m asking you. Why do you choose to partake in this destruction ? (I already know the answer, because you also enjoy the pleasure of modern existence)

You can now either cope and accept that this is our reality and you’re just like the rest of us

Or you can

Reduce your cancerous impact through self deletion
Self delete and take as many other cancerous “people” with you as you can before you are forcibly deleted
Convince as many other humans as possible to join the antinatalism movement which in turn could potentially prevent the most amount of humans from being born and you get to justify your existence

Maybe you could go pick fruit on a farm instead of a mexican.

Instead, you provide zero value.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Yes even kids shows like Captain Planet explicitly said this “remember to have a small family to prevent global warming !”

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Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit

It was a really weird moment when Captain Planet turned to the camera and explained how we need to enact the Kalergi plan to destroy the white race, construct Greater Israel, and build the Third Temple to bring the Messiah to Earth so the Chosen will live in Paradise and the goyim will all burn in hell. It was just so out of character with what he says in the rest of the series.

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Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit

Except what the other guy said is actually true...

https://captainplanet.fandom.com/wiki/Population_Bomb

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Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit

That is a very racist and hurtful thing for Captain Planet to say about Africa.

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FutBineApasat@reddit

nah dude but every generation is supposed to be better parents then the one that raised them, right?

how tf can i be a better parent then my parents when i can't afford my own home, if im laid off frim work i may be doomed and not find anything in at least a year, the salary im making can barely feed me, let alone a child?

I'm not bringing kids into this world just cause "its my duty" if i can afford to offer them the great life they deserve.

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ban_speedrunner@reddit

You can try to be better parents in the intangible and free ways (like caring for you kids, being there for them, instilling them with proper morals) if the material stuff is hard. It is impossible to require every generation to have better material standards than the previous one as a precondition for having kids. Idk your personal life situation regarding work but I think more people are closer to your financial status than you might think. We (as a society) should try and ease that burden on parents, but it has never been normal for people to have some huge rainy day fund before having kids

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pVom@reddit

Sorry Timmy there's no food tonight, here, have a hug.

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ban_speedrunner@reddit

If that’s actually your situation financially, then yeah you should wait to have kids. But I don’t think the average persons financials are nearly this dire. Especially among the young upper middle class professionals that are not having kids

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Relevant-Physics432@reddit

Why would anyone reasonably want to have kids? Like legit

You're locking yourself to an at least 18 year old commitment that's gonna cost you a ton of time and money, limit what you can do in your free time, and cause you more headaches

Makes perfect sense people only want kids when they have a stable life. It's not their fault a stable life is getting harder to come by

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pVom@reddit

The big 2 reasons are a. Actually having a choice, it's cheap an easy to get an IUD and just not have kids if you don't want and b. Children being a burden instead of useful.

First is easy, most children throughout history have been born by accident. People want to fuck, they fuck, oops guess we're going to be parents. The main biological driver for children isn't the desire to have children, it's the desire to have sex. Remove the accidents and the biological drive isn't so strong.

Second, throughout most of human history children were useful. Kids would help in the fields and earn an income working shitty jobs, like chimney sweep and also work around the house. Most didn't even go to school. These days they're just expected to go to school and provide nothing in return basically ever. The parents are expected to secure themselves financially until they die and leave their children the remainder. On a pure cost benefit analysis it really doesn't make sense.

Add to that these days you're competing with dual incomes for resources, having a child means sacrificing a lot more. With 2 incomes my wife and I live pretty financially secure lives, we don't stress about the mortgage or food or the rising price of fuel. Losing a job isn't a huge stress because one can cover the other for a time. Cut one of our incomes semi-permanently and suddenly all that shit matters and your security is gone. Add in some kids and extra lives to be responsible for and suddenly there's a whole lot more stress in my life beyond just being woken by a crying baby.

It's not like we're choosing to not have kids, we're just kicking the can down the road and at some point it will be too late.

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Jibjumper@reddit

I’d say it is moral to have a safety net for your kids. The fact it hasn’t been historically the case is just due to ingnorance and wishful thinking.

There are things that are out of your control, but not having some sort of contingency plan for life, and then at the same time yeeting a baby into the world to be subject to everything that is entailed with conscience life is just naive and immature.

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Supremely_Zesty@reddit

How the fuck are you supposed to do that when you can barely pay rent? "Just downsize lol"

How the fuck do you downsize from a 1 bedroom apartment? "

Just get another job you lazy fuck" What if you already work two jobs?

"Just move to where it's more affordable you dumb city slicker" And where the fuck are the jobs out there?

This argument would work if the majority of people born into this flesh prison checked out as soon as they could

But they don’t. Proving the struggle and pain of life is worth the brief moments of happiness

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GTAIVisbest@reddit

I agree with you to an extent. I think it's our biological condition that makes us pre-disposed to justifying the insane amounts of pain we go through with the brief islands of bliss. I recognize that within myself. I can go through so much suffering and relativize it all away if I can feel the occasional treat, which could be as minor as just eating food or being able to sleep in a bed (been there)

All living things have this to an extent, being alive = stressing and fighting against something to keep living. So it has to be baked into DNA to literally keep fighting and not just give up. Otherwise plants would stop photosynthesizing sunlight, trees would stop growing, zebras would stop running away from predators or stop walking hundreds of miles across the savanna, etc

But I think that objectively, without that biological condition that ensures our survival as a species, people WOULD check out, especially if there was a simple way to just snap your fingers and do so. The other reality is that checking out involves inflicting huge amounts of scary, scary pain and trauma on yourself in a violent act. That will make most people think "errrrr ok I'd rather just keep living and going through what I already know". If you had a button you could press which would simply gently end consciousness without being destructive to your meat body, then reality would be way different

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AdagioElectrical6764@reddit

All wild creatures would just find a method of masturbation and starve if there was no struggle and moments of joy.

That feeling of having just eaten, waking from a really good sleep, being a valued wolf crucial to a hunt, making that perfect jump, getting the most tender leaves at the top of the tree etc is worth risking predators, prey that is too strong/fast, dehydration etc.

Having said that, being a dog or a cat in a first world house with an owner that provides frequent stimulation is probably the luckiest as they face very little danger and get the moments of happiness free of charge.

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Exepony@reddit

Proving the struggle and pain of life is worth the brief moments of happiness

All it proves is that our meat sacks have evolved an extreme aversion to suicide and the pain associated with most ways to commit it. Plus most organized religions promise eternal suffering to those unsporting enough to "check out early". Overcoming both the social and biological pressures is too much for most, but that doesn't mean the alternative is "worth it".

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you're literally in complete peace unable to experience anything and not even existing

Not a logical statement. You're not in peace if you don't exist. You're not in anything, there is no you. "Peace" is a feeling only a sentient being can know.

and then we're going to stuff you into it and you're going to live a shitty life of (best case) economic stagnation, lowering standards of living, worse health outcomes or (realistic case) warfare, economic and political destabilization, runaway climate change, and that's NOT to even mention the every day pain of abuse, struggle and degredation of your meat sack body.

Buddhist monks who live on one meal a day and asceticism have no possessions and are extremely happy. Poor people all over the world by are extremely happy. Look at the eskimos, monogolians, siberians, finnish people, etc.. They literally live in Tipis eating meat. Watch life below zero or Happy People A Year in the Taiga, shows men with their 10 kids hunting and working together as nature intended. Better than separating kids into schools all day.

Kids just need love above all else.

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GTAIVisbest@reddit

As nature intended? What does that mean? Nature doesn't intend shit, and there's no morally good aspect to "natural" (i.e non-human) life. Some antelope stumbles on a rock and gets violently and painfully devoured by a predator ass-first while it's still alive. Just for the predator that ate it to die itself, so the death was all for naught. Is that as "nature" intended? There's no intention, just violent chaos as all living beings struggle to stay alive and propagate themselves.

Unless you're trying to say "as the lord intended" or "as god intended", in which case, faux-christian muh based Youtube christian iceberg explained cringe detected, don't worry you'll grow up one day and the hormonal acne will subside

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zurvivl@reddit

Nature intends human parents to be with their children, as seen among mammals.

Also your caveman theory is false. You were born into a tribe, you saw an average of 50-60 people your entire life, and you were happy and healthy. Low life expectancy is a produced of the industrial revolution (kids working in mines), the neolithic period had long life expectancy and low child mortality.

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GTAIVisbest@reddit

Your seriously-flawed idea of human prehistory has likely been shaped by countless right-wing content creator grifters who pander to the idea that reactionary politics and reactionism in general is based and good, modernity is bad, individualism is good, collectivism and technology is the woe of all our evils, etc. That kind of propaganda slop usually works on lead-brained boomers at the end of their lives, assuming you're a really young dude I expect a little bit more critical thinking and big-picture nuance. "low life expectancy only happened after the industrial revolution because all children worked in mines" lol what even is this take bro

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zurvivl@reddit

Pre-neolithic humans moved with animal migrations resulting in better health

Mothers residing in camps with permanent housing experienced significantly higher childhood mortality rates than mothers living in camps with temporary housing (β = 0.7 ± 0.3, P = 0.005). The relationship for semipermanent camps was in the same direction but of marginal significance (β = 0.5 ± 0.3, P = 0.08). This relationship results in a 63.2% increase in mortality rates for settled mothers living in sedentarized camps (0.93) compared with nomadic mothers in temporary camps (0.57). Thus the sedentarized camps with the highest helminth and viral disease rates also experience the highest childhood mortality rates. As with the morbidity results, the proportion of time spent in cultivation had no significant relationship with child mortality (β = 0.01 ± 0.04

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zurvivl@reddit

Your ad hominem is invalid, see here about the rise of sedentarization due to farming causing a rise in infant mortality. Being sedentary caused health problems.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4855554/
https://www.sciencealert.com/prehistoric-mothers-were-probably-better-at-caring-for-babies-than-graves-suggest

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JustChillin3456@reddit

I see the issue you don’t even know what echo chamber means

“An echo chamber is an environment—often online or in media—where a person only encounters information or opinions that reflect and reinforce their own”

GiveSparklyTwinkly@reddit

It's not your views on children. That's not where your cognitive dissonance is. Your all or nothing mentality is not about children.

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"I'm not MAGA, I'm a groyper which is an even more extremist white nationalist subset of MAGA, making me even worst than MAGA itself".

Ho boy what a comeback.

"Our system caters to minority because everyone can get a loan". Buddy have you stopped for a single second to consider what if ALL UNIVERSITY TUITION was FREE FOR ALL THROUGH TAXES instead of requiring CORPORATE BANK LOANS which enrich THE RICH BANKERS instead of being FREE FOR YOU. It's the same damn thing as health care and health insurance. The thought of everyone having free services instead of 15% more money is somehow incomprehensible to you because you got brain washed into thinking "non white people are replacing white people".

You want everyone to have a basic experience of having a family while not having kids yourself yet (why are you behind? how dare YOU not have kids yet when you're past 20 years old according to another comment? cognitive dissonance much? what is wrong with you?).

WHat does OF and porn have anything to do with any of this? Is this another whataboutism step on your way to saying more racist shit from your brainwashing far right echo chamber that wants you to hate other people instead of the literal rich white people who own the echo chamber that is trying to control you?

"meaningless", here we go back into the anarchist roots of 4chan being an echo chamber for angry youth to get manipulated by slightly older and richer men. Be open to others and try to develop empathy. Anarchy is just other men trying to burn the system so that they can themselves control the next one and be the ones profiting from you instead of others.

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goneparticle@reddit

man it's not unfathomable look at the state of our economy. take a look at the charts. and you have to pay to even give birth, some families go into literal debt for giving birth. then you have to really put in good money to take care of the child. and none of that where people say you "don't need a lot of money to take care of a child" because you have a responsibility and you have to give them the best life you can. living in poverty is not the right life you can give them. i'm not even a proponent of abortion. birth the baby, give them a chance, but if your financial standing is not good (most people) you're gonna find out.

our country isn't even the worst when it comes to birth rates, but it's only going to get a lot lot worse. but my financials are good so i don't have to worry a lot about that. it's just simply not the reality for lots of americans tho.

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AtomicShart9000@reddit

Tell me youre a virgin without actually telling me

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Relationship going 4 years strong soon to be married 🤭

Do tell me why people are having less marriage/ sex/ kids than ever before I’m eager to hear this

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mrheh@reddit

Yep, I don't date WW anymore and havent for at least a 2 decades because it's they are so broken.

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ban_speedrunner@reddit

I like how yellow fever frogs and passport bros act like shallowness or materialism is a white/European woman special when many women from other backgrounds exhibit the same negative traits in spades. The only special thing about white women is the amount of negative propaganda they have been exposed to, which causes me to pity them rather than despise them. No other group of women (or men) have been tested the same way we have.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

I also don’t hate white women but feel bad that modern life has become so shallow

In a lot of cases if that were to happen it be the guy who was to carry all the financial weight.

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Effective_Olive6153@reddit

sometimes I get off the computer and go outside. I'll be honest, I don't see a single woman hating on their country or being crazy in any way that you see on the internet. I see just regular people having normal lives, trying to survive, some struggle with depression, financial issues, but none have the type of crazy people keep showing on the internet. I am sure those people exist, somewhere, but they gotta be a tiny minority

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SwordfishOk504@reddit

lol. Meanwhile here in actual reality, women start having fewer kids when they have actual agency and choice in life. While lower income countries where women have fewer rights have higher birth rates because women have fewer choices.

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ExtraGarbage2680@reddit

People just want high quality of life and kids are the opposite.

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HippoRun23@reddit

I’m literally as left wing as it goes, but I absolutely agree with you. It actually sickens me the amount of anti-family propaganda that I see online. It’s probably all a psy-op but still.

Positive-Face1705@reddit

Yes, men who have children tend to have wives as well, so there's someone taking care of the stuff at home. If all he has to do is work, then he'd be successful.

Back then a dad at 30 came home to a warm meal and kids greeting him lovingly at the door. Food and warmth. Someone his age came home to silence and needed to make his own pasta.

I will only speak for myself, offer some perspective.

My mother did the whole traditional wife schtick. Gave up her job to have kids and everything. For the most part a great marriage, so why would she tell the girls to not rush to get married, to prioritise having our own money?

I hear and I actually do believe it's only older women who've had bad marriages who talk it down to younger women, but seeing someone I'd say had a good one tell us pretty much the same things... maybe there's some truth to the whole waiting thing.

If men don't want the same, I get it. Nobody's saying don't do it. Just don't do it right away iy thing. Women have a shorter window on that than men do.

Yeah, useless shit like a stroller, a bed, diapers, food, clothes - everything completely optional.

An apartment that’s big enough to house 3 or more people? who gives a fuck.

Lack of income from at least one of the parents until the baby is old enough to go to daycare? Deal with it.

Money for daycare or a nanny, when you want to work again? Pff.

Toys? Why would a kid need toys in the first place.

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stop_talking_you@reddit

you dont need anything beside washable diapers and baby food for the first months. daycare and toys are a scam.

how do you think people in the third world take care of their babies? they dont even have clean water

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ElKaWeh@reddit

lmao

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ElKaWeh@reddit

Yeah, useless shit like a stroller, a bed, diapers, food, clothes - everything completely optional.

An apartment that’s big enough to house 3 or more people? who gives a fuck.

Lack of income from at least one of the parents until the baby is old enough to go to daycare? Deal with it.

Money for daycare or a nanny, when you want to work again? Pff.

You've probably been meeting cross latina-gringa mix.

This country taints them.

Not only am I puertorican so I know what I'm talking about, by my girlfriend is, and lives (thanks Trump) in Colombia. I have been there multiple times. Most of every woman I met aspired to become a trad wife. And would not fuck around with other people's business.

Unlike here, women can actually make friends in these countries, and I've seen women look out after each other over there. If their man is trying to flirt with their friends, the man can be the hunkiest piece of macho, and they will rat you out to your girlfriend. Even if they don't know each other.

There's so much support between women. They raise children together, and just love sharing this love.

ZyklonFart@reddit

I suppose leaving a warzone and getting stabbed in your neck on a bus in a "first world country" is preferable.

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Connect_Ad_3361@reddit

isn't the norm and the guy was clinically insane and shouldn't have been out in the free world. Comparing that to rampid rape and gang rapes that happen in India every single day is not a fair comparison.

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arecbardrin95@reddit

We'll give that one some time. Cultural mosaic, remember?

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ThunderCookie23@reddit

Random indian hate? Why?

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Think_Monk_9879@reddit

Also she doesn’t look like that. After three kids she’s likely very round. Probably cooks bussin food but she hefty

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NerdxGirlx69@reddit

Men just want women to drop out a few of their crotch globins to trap them in a lifetime of family ties, so the women can never really be rid of them.

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Americanized and didn't speak any Spanish

Las "no-sabo".

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Cheploscamm@reddit

Glad you got out bro

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upyoursize@reddit

Thx bro I'm a survivor or some shit.

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Grand_Bad8317@reddit

annoying white bitches

Racist af

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AnalysisParalysis85@reddit

White hands made this fake post

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julie3151991@reddit

Cooks me “launch”?

Fake: anon has a wife and kids

Gay: anon likes women

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TendieBot2000@reddit

be me

get home from my vasectomy

hear moaning and slapping coming from my wife's room

must be Chad again

know they would want privacy, sit down at my computer

log onto reddit and open /r/4chan

read a funny greentext from le 4chins and chuckle as I listen to my wife begging for the genes I can't give her

think of a convoluted way in which I can relate homosexuality and falsehood to the events in the greentext

suck the cheeto dust off my fingers as I begin to type my masterpiece in the comment section

Fake: anon has a wife and kids

Gay: anon likes women

giggle as I imagine the intellectuals of leddit perusing my incredibly witty and original comment

hear my wife moan with ecstasy as Chad floods her fertile womb with his seed

it's been a good day

i'll get lots of upvotes for my impressive contribution to internet culture, and Chad might even let me eat his cum out of my wife's pussy if he finds my comment funny enough

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Haunting-Island6611@reddit

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Drunk-Kobold@reddit

I mean, you should be happy its a chancla, trust me, latinas could do worse than that, specially when you feel the bloodlust in their eyes and a belt in their hands (memories of my mom flashes by....)

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Canadia86@reddit

Worth it

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MexicanoStick575@reddit

That wey's latina wife

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MarleyandtheWhalers@reddit

Both of these women are available to meet in the United States. You don't have to marry either of them

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mrboomtastic3@reddit

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mrboomtastic3@reddit

Tortas

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rumSaint@reddit

There is still problem with overpopulation. Besides whatever makes them happy, they won't pass their genes and trades political views. Seems like a win for society.

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socalking3@reddit

Latin women peak at a very young age. It’s why instead of a sweet 16 they do it at 15. They start shrinking at 25 and by the time they’re 40 you got a 4’9 grey haired abuleta.

Now your 3 brown kids. They’re going to wear Mexican soccer jerseys, won’t be taller than 5’6 and are going to join a gang.

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Judah_Earl@reddit

Anon clearly hasn't met a Latina...

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Puchaya123@reddit

They clearly don't understand that Latinas are the same as in the United States, The only difference is that they treat people from that country better because of their status, because they're from a first-world country, but they treat men from their own countries like shit, when a gringo tells you how they are treated It's a dissonance with what we experience

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Theoulios@reddit

Spoiled ass