Leaving Ireland, moving back
Posted by myrighthandwoman@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 146 comments
We have only been in Ireland 7.5 months and my
partner (M 44) has determined it’s time for us to go back to the states because he hasnt found a job here yet. We are legal residents, I have a critical skills work permit and I’m working. But I don’t want my partner to be so miserable anymore. So I’ve conceded that we can give up on this adventure and go back in a few months. It’s depressing that we couldn’t make it work here. If only he’d found a job comparable to what he was doing back in the U.S., it could have been so wonderful here. A Heartbreaking decision.
ohmygolly2581@reddit
No stay. We don’t need you back.
ponpiriri@reddit
7.5 months is nothing...
Eli_Knipst@reddit
He needs to finds a job back in the US first before you move back.
And you need to find a job too back in the US before you agree to move back. Because you don't want to be the unhappy one either. You deserve to be happy too!
Yassssmaam@reddit
Yes it’s amazing how one partner being happy and set up doesn’t seem to count for anything in this scenario? This family has healthcare, insurance, a safety net, and one partner working steadily. That’s way ahead of many US families.
But this guy wants to go back to the US in the middle of a recession because he’s not the breadwinner? Jesus Christ that’s not good thinking
jd-snips@reddit
Ireland is completely fucked and going to have its own issues due to high immigration.
It ain't roses
Careful-Trade-9666@reddit
Not realising that “expats” are adding to migration problems is a rather first world view
retrosenescent@reddit
Especially since the USD is rapidly losing value the longer Trump stays in office.
tivnan1989@reddit
We left the USA 5 months ago. I was a construction project manager back home but I never went to college. I just started in the field and worked my way up to management. My wife has a masters degree and got a job in Germany so we left but I knew I couldn’t continue in my field here because they require degrees for jobs like that and experience doesn’t matter.
I just started as a barista at Starbucks 🤣 I know I’m capable of more but it works for now and we are okay financially which we wouldn’t have been back home if I did that job. She makes A LOT more money than me here but we’re happier being here so I don’t really care. She’s happy I’m willing to work at Starbucks to help support. It is what it is
In these subs I always mention to people it’s not always going to be easy making these moves. It takes sacrifice in many ways and sometimes people don’t want to sacrifice enough in order to make it work. We wanted out of the USA bad enough and I was willing to do whatever until I can figure out something different
Constant_Industry472@reddit
My family has something of a tradition of moving abroad for periods of our lives. The one piece of advice I got was: your life is going to look very different than it did back home. I found out this includes everything. House, friends, food, clothes, career and even how much you feel you are worth in that career. Im went from rig hand to English teacher to domino's supervisor and a dozen things in between just keeping the dream alive.
rainbud22@reddit
The job situation in the states is worse than during the pandemic. Good luck
Eli_Knipst@reddit
That's exactly why they need to find a job before they move back.
MilkChocolate21@reddit
If this is a hetero couple, I feel like this can't be said enough, but it sounds like either the partner doesn't care, or perhaps is really somehow quickly employable here, but that doesn't mean they both are.
Nyetoner@reddit
Why does gender preferences matter?
jamjar188@reddit
If I'm understanding correctly, gender matters to people on this thread because they are projecting all kinds of motives onto OP's partner just because he's male. It can't just be that OP and her partner are two adults who are coping differently with a move and are having to consider what's best for the relationship.
No, it must be that OP's partner is not doing enough to support OP and is being a baby about it all (literal words someone said on this thread!), and it's probably because he feels emasculated by OP's success, and OP should just ditch the loser.
I guarantee you no one would be saying this if it were OP struggling to adapt, and her partner the one wanting to stay...
GotOotJIT@reddit
THIS, how are you going to pay for US health insurance/ healthcare otherwise? Going back without a way to pay for those expenses is incredibly foolish.
Cigany-elet-69@reddit
I’m sorry, but giving up after only 7.5 months sounds (negatively) surprising, and way too early, especially since one of you already has a good job. Maybe it’s an idea to just work anything until they find a suitable role. Many of us start out like this, and although it can take years, there’s always an end in sight for challenges.
sha_ma@reddit
They never said it was a good job. Just that it was a job.
No-Front5879@reddit
And a lot has changed in the last 7.5 months. Make sure to check that gas, groceries and insurance will cost now.
Icy-Maybe-9043@reddit
The States is having a tough time with the jobs market at the moment as well
360VideoGuy@reddit
The economic outlook for the US looks not good. The EU will reap a lot of the benefits a failing US will create. I would not move back to the US
okiicomputer@reddit
what country isnt
Sayahhearwha@reddit
So what did you do that worked that can help OP?
Wooden-Carrot4283@reddit
I was a substitute teacher in my host country and then got a long-term sub role. Honestly, I loved it in the end. Sometimes those types of jobs teach us more than we expect.
zmpart@reddit
Lower your expectations and get a job at a supermarket or something.
Frankje01@reddit
this might be a big shocker to some people, but I dont think most adults want to work in a supermarket if they have any sort of decent career in their home country.
zmpart@reddit
What about adults who made the difficult and complicated situation to escape their own country and move to another country who have a spouse earning a living wage?
Frankje01@reddit
Read the OP, read my message, draw conclusion
DelilahBT@reddit
Seems too soon to give up imo
PeepholeRodeo@reddit
Maybe he should go back and see if he can find a job he’s happy with in the US. If he does, then you can follow afterwards. If he doesn’t, then he can come back.
Feisty-Art8265@reddit
Most of my friends in the US have been struggling to find rolesz so don't move back until both of you have roles in the US
Intrepid-Leather-417@reddit
Sounds like you are giving up your dream and making a huge mistake because he is insecure, it’s been only 7.5 months…. Has he secured employment back in the US or after 7.5 months of looking there is he going to give up and demand you move somewhere else.
Just for context I moved to Germany with my wife because she got an amazing offer that made her feel valued so I quit my job and moved with her, I haven’t found a job yet in my field so I settled at took a job doing something I’m very overqualified for at a much lower wage because we make enough to be secure and she is happy my ego isn’t tied to my job title or salary, my self worth is tied to my marriage being successful.
Sounds like he needs to put his big boy pants on and be the man of the relationship and swallow his pride
tktk77@reddit
I don't think he's bitter that she's making money and he isn't.
He sounds depressed or something because he's struggling to be a productive member of society and in his relationship too.
jamjar188@reddit
This sub is really something. Nobody knows this guy but everyone is assuming he's some emasculated bully who doesn't want OP to be happy and hasn't tried hard enough to adapt to a new life.
Out_of_ughs@reddit
It’s more the statement of “ If only he’d found a job comparable to what he was doing back in the U.S.” It screams of American ignorance about the country they moved to and the general belief he could roll up to a new country and just get a job. It’s the thinking of an expat not what they actually, immigrants.
MostMediumSuspected@reddit
To be fair, given the information provided, that’s what it seems. OP is free to chime in at anytime with more info or to clear things up.
Not even sure what kind of response they were looking for with this post.
jamjar188@reddit
How is it "what it seems"? You've never heard of someone not finding a job in their field? They have moved somewhere far smaller than the US, with a smaller economy, and high rates of immigration (remember, Ireland is in the EU).
We have no idea what conversations OP and her partner had prior to moving. Perhaps the objective they set for themselves was to find professionals jobs within their field and this was going to be a determinant of whether staying in Ireland permanently was on the cards.
I've re-read OP's post -- at no point does she indicate that he has reneged on a promise, or that he hasn't looked hard enough, or that she asked him to consider a job in a totally different sector only for him to refuse. For all we know their financial needs depend on him finding something at a particular pay level, and maybe his skill set is niche.
How are people so quick to fill in the gaps with the worst possible assumptions when none of that information has been provided?
zoidberg3000@reddit
My wife was like this when we moved cities. She didn’t find a job for about 7 months and it really made her depressed. It was so hard to watch but also so hard to live with. Thankfully, she was willing to volunteer after a few months and made a great network that way that led her to a job. It’s tough when you feel useless though.
fakesaucisse@reddit
The first thing that came to mind for me was that he should volunteer somewhere. It is a great way to do something rewarding, easier to get into than a job, and provides future networking opportunities. I lost my job over a year ago and after several months I started volunteering for a couple of orgs in my town because I needed something to do that would make me stop feeling worthless. I have started looking for a job again and some of my volunteer projects have become a great talking point in my job interviews.
_Loyd_Christmas@reddit
What are you talking about. How can you make those assumptions based on such little information? Why the condescension?
“Be the man of the relationship”; honestly that sounds like projection. Perhaps you should consider your own circumstances that would make you say something like that.
MostMediumSuspected@reddit
He has determined this based on his inability to find a job, but you seem to not want to leave and have found work? Why let him dictate what your life will be?
Sounds like maybe he should just go back by himself if that’s what he wants to do.
Has he actually applied to jobs in the US? Unsure how it compares to Ireland but the job market here is BAD right now.
I definitely would not quit your job until he has actually secured a position in the US, otherwise you both may be unemployed longer than you anticipated.
martin_italia@reddit
Also “a job compatible to what he was doing in the US”
Who’s gonna bet he was looking for €200k a year salary like he was on in the US?
Out_of_ughs@reddit
This comment needs to be higher. He can obviously find a job just not the one that makes him feel special enough.
PFCCThrowayay@reddit
Unhinged teenager Reddit take. OP ignore. Adults know that a happy relationship means both of you need to be happy and fulfilled.
MostMediumSuspected@reddit
Way to completely ignore the fact that OP says they don’t want to go back, that it’s breaking their heart and they’re only reluctantly agreeing to make their partner happy.
Real adults have the ability to see and empathize with both sides. Real adults also understand that sometimes people’s dreams lead them in different directions and that’s okay. One person giving up on theirs to pacify the other will only lead to resentment.
If OP is happy and fulfilled there, and is heartbroken at the thought of leaving, they should stay. There is nothing unhinged about that.
PFCCThrowayay@reddit
You’re clearly not in a successful relationship.
MostMediumSuspected@reddit
Sure, me and all the other people who upvoted and posted comments with similar sentiment.
But just so we’re clear, happily married 10 years so far. First and only marriage.
PFCCThrowayay@reddit
Being on the same side of Reddit is not a good thing FYI. The demo is mainly teenage boys.
MostMediumSuspected@reddit
Yes, everyone knows teenage boys love spending their free time on the r/expats sub
PFCCThrowayay@reddit
Reddit is full of bitter people like yourself. To be clear, OP and husband embarked on a life changing experiment, he’s not happy for legitimate reasons and your advice is for her to divorce him and end the relationship. If you think that’s a normal response then I feel very bad for your spouse.
MostMediumSuspected@reddit
You have launched personal attacks on me since your first comment. “Unhinged teenager who should be ignored, clearly not in a successful relationship, I feel very bad for your spouse”
You do not know me or my life experience. It appears the only one bitter is you.
I never said divorce or even ending the relationship. People can be in two different locations and maintain a healthy relationship. I simply encouraged OP to do what makes them happy.
Take your weird personal attacks and twisted interpretations elsewhere. Maybe go argue with the several other people that said the same exact thing I did.
PFCCThrowayay@reddit
“Sounds like he should just go back by himself” oh yes, this is a healthy resolution, rather than work it out, just break up. “People can be in two different locations and maintain a healthy relationship” yes but you’re on another planet to suggest a healthy marriage can exist in two different countries.
Nothing I’ve said here is unreasonable IRL but what you’ve said only flies on Reddit where people encourage each other to break up over any problem which should be approached with care and the goal of a resolution.
Sorry for the personal digs but encouraging a stranger to effectively end their long term relationship when they’re asking others for help is just a shitty thing to do.
MostMediumSuspected@reddit
Also, him going back by himself IS a healthy resolution.
OP has a secure job, health insurance, is happy and doesn’t want to leave.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with him going back to the US solo and finding a job if he thinks he will have better luck there, then they can revisit the living situation when he attains a safety net.
But OP giving up their safety net and happiness for them both to be unemployed and uninsured when they land back in the US is just foolish.
Relationships aren’t just about compromise, they’re also about flexibility and adaptability.
PFCCThrowayay@reddit
You're trying very hard to convince yourself of your argument. Have a good one.
MostMediumSuspected@reddit
It’s clear you were having serious difficulty comprehending my original comment, so I thought I would break it down in more simple terms for you to more easily understand.
Hope it helped!
PFCCThrowayay@reddit
lol ok 🤣
MostMediumSuspected@reddit
I never suggested they break up either. I made multiple suggestions. None of which were that they end their relationship.
People can live in different locations temporarily and still be in a healthy relationship. Military families, people with certain career paths do it all the time.
We have zero details to be so intensely defensive and make declarations on their behalf. You completely are out of line.
Repeated personal digs at someone you’ve never met is also a shitty thing to do. Pot meet kettle.
DigitalAmy0426@reddit
... Yikes.
phillyphilly19@reddit
Relationships require compromise. I don't think OP wants or needs relationship advice from you.
Tall-Winter2507@reddit
OP absolutely needs advice because she is about to uproot her life again after only 7 months in a new country which is nothing nowadays. Her husband is a baby.
phillyphilly19@reddit
Wow. So easy to pass judgement based on gender.
Tall-Winter2507@reddit
Please explain how this is based on gender….
phillyphilly19@reddit
I'm trying to imagine that if a man wrote in and said his female partner is really struggling with finding work and is extremely unhappy, so he's thinking they will move back to the US, if you would a minute call her a "baby." If anything you would probably call him a hero for being so sensitive and sympathetic to her situation. So my read is that you are applying gender norms to how each of them should be behaving and because he can't "man up and find a job and accept that she did," that he's a baby.
Tall-Winter2507@reddit
No sir, heros exist only in movies or comic books. You are projecting your insecurities - my comment was not related to gender and you failed to explain why, you just wrote what you think happened. Ask yourself where this is coming from and if it’s doing you any good.
I would absolutely call a woman a baby if she wanted to make a huge life change after only 7 months.
phillyphilly19@reddit
Not buying it. But ok.
Sayahhearwha@reddit
Advice without any data is opinion and can be dangerous. When someone is already in a variable stress, that is not a state to increase their cortisol levels. Again, to reiterate, this poster is using fear to get the OP to stay but didn’t offer any PRACTICAL advice. Basically they told OP don’t leave, but deal with it and along with the possible loss of savings and not being able to pay the bills. Great so now what? As for you, what can you advise OP? I have given sound advice.
ChickenTreats@reddit
That works both ways. Perhaps the one without income should be the one to make this particular compromise.
phillyphilly19@reddit
The one without income is going to be severely unhappy. I trust OP's decision-making skills since they were able to secure a job in their field, and that they know what they are doing. I assume they decided to go together and they are deciding to leave together.
MostMediumSuspected@reddit
Happily married 10 years.
jamjar188@reddit
What kind of presumptuous shit is this? If you're in a couple, both partners' needs should be considered and you make decisions as a unit. That's normal and reasonable. Nothing in OP's post indicates that the partner has not tried to find a job or hasn't done his best to adapt. It's a good thing that they are discussing their situation openly and that she is taking his views and feelings into consideration.
So yes, it may be a compromise for OP to agree to move back after a few months, but compromises go both ways -- and for all we know, it was OP's partner who compromised by agreeing to move to Ireland in the first place.
spoonorfork1@reddit
This!!!!!!!!!
AlfaHotelWhiskey@reddit
Also note that a good chunk of your time there was through winter months with limited daylight and cold. Is this decision being swayed by even a whiff of seasonal depression ?
skeylinebee@reddit
This. I had the misfortune of moving abroad during a really hot summer (I dislike heat) and then went straight into a brutally cold and drab winter. That hit immediately after my body got used to the heat.
Now that the sun is out more often and the cold isn't too cold, all of a sudden life doesn't seem so hard 😂
TLDR: Take the spring to see how it feels, everyone!
nightcirus@reddit
As someone who moved to Ireland over the summer ...this winter was fucking brutal. Many days spent telling myself I am upset because the sun is gone and that it wouldn't last forever. Or deciding to buy a canoe bc of the rain.
conodeuce@reddit
Exactly what I was wondering.
Responsible_Read_644@reddit
Wow, TONS of misandry in this. Amazing how people project. Dude wanted to go there and get a job. You have no real idea of what their relationship dynamics are.
Fabulous-Web7719@reddit
Could he not do some volunteering or something not “comparable” to what he was doing in the US?
Just staying active and involved can make a big difference to wellbeing?
Or is this just ego based?
gribisi@reddit
This is a good answer...
And could open doors to a job similar to what he was doing.
Similar-Ad-6862@reddit
His problem is that he's complaining and thinks he's going to get the same job as the US. Ireland is a different country and NOT the same as the US. How many job opportunities has he passed over because they're 'not the same'? And now he expects you to uproot after only 7.5 months when you're doing well
Moving back to the US will not be as easy as he thinks
brasscup@reddit
it seems like he isn't giving equal weight to her desire to remain. also who's to say he'll get another job equivalent to what he last had in the USA now? The job market here is comsiderably worse now than seven months ago.
Effective-Birthday57@reddit
Therein lies the problem that many people who want to leave the US don’t understand. Finding comparable work is much harder in Europe.
Floridaapologist1@reddit
Cost of living is better there. Can you get by on what you make?
Vigmod@reddit
Not Ireland, but Norway, coming from Iceland. After a good deal more than 7.5 months, I still didn't have a job, but she did.
So I just did the chores, doing the laundry, sending out applications, doing the budget, making sure our meals were both nutritious and within our budget (I had some passive income from my flat I was renting out, but otherwise the income was all hers).
I finally got a job, about a year in. Shortly after we broke up. Now, 12 years later I couldn't be happier, still on Norway. Last I heard, so was she.
So, stick it out. It might not be the happiness you were looking for, but it's happiness all the same.
--2021--@reddit
The job market is not good in the US. You both need to find jobs before you move back. It might a scenario where he goes back to find work, and you stay in Ireland till you both find jobs. You want at least one of you holding a job.
Broad-Ad-2193@reddit
That’s how long it took most of my friends (who didn’t have internships, other friends who had internships walked into job offers but I digress) to find jobs after college. He’s lucky he’s not even on a limited visa either! How many jobs has he even applied to?
Green_Mind60@reddit
The US job market sucks right now.
Fritatas-Bouillantes@reddit
I moved to canada west coast with my husband in september 2019,from France originally. I couldn't find a job in my field. I couldn't find a side job working in a coffee or such either. I couldn't find people I connected with. Our place was small and frankly crappy. And we arrived in October and the weather here is like Seattle, 6 months of gloom. I was frankly depressed. In March I decided to go back to France to reset and think. I came back to Canada. Started to take classes in an adjacent field of my work just to keep my brain busy and stop spiraling in my "I am useless" spirit. Kept applying. I volunteered. We decided that if I couldn't settle after 16 months in the country, we would try our luck somewhere else. Having this new deadline motivated me because I could see an end to my misery if things didn't work out. I made objectives: go do that trek. Go see whales, bears. Learn to make cappucinos, play the clarinet.
And I finally found a job in my field. Was originally paid a misery but I grew in it and now make way more than I would in France.
All in all, I understand your husband. Try to set a deadline and for him to set new goals and achievements outside of finding a job.
iskamoon@reddit
Not OP but as someone who moved from US to Canada really needed to read this today as my husband would never move to the US under these circumstances and I’m so homesick. Thank you.
Fritatas-Bouillantes@reddit
Being homesick is totally understandable and not shameful at all eh? 8 years later and really happy now in my situation, but I still have some homesickness moment. Don't feel bad for going home whenever you can. France is really far and expensive from Vancouver, but I go back twice a year. I couldn't go back during covid for obvious reasons and it showed me that I needed to go back every year. Just to remember why I am away (and see friends and family too obviously) If it was just across the border, I would be back there every quarter!
It is also your sign that you don't necessarily need to travel with your husband either. Take that break back home to reconnect with what you want and need from this expatriation!
Just-Here2-Learn@reddit
Maybe he is using the job as an excuse. My father did this same thing to my mom, literally excuse after excuse, when reality he just wanted to go home because he hated where they moved. Not saying this is the case but I would really speak with him about it. Surely he could get a job he may not like until something better comes along. I love hearing people say "I would never work there" If mine or my partners life, food, hone depended on it I would work anywhere doing anything to get by.
Burn_ThemAll@reddit
I would not move back until he secures a job in the states at the very least.
If I were you I would insist on a compromise or phased approach:
MilkChocolate21@reddit
This is a realistic plan.
Eli_Knipst@reddit
This is an excellent compromise and suggestion! Strategic, pragmatic, and safe.
MilkChocolate21@reddit
Will you both be unemployed if you return to the US? One job is better than no jobs, and less than 8 months is nothing. Maybe your future is Ireland while single. And I'm not even an expat or interested in becoming one. I do, however, think that no man is worth abandoning a dream you have for yourself.
Tamia91@reddit
I moved abroad alone and I can only tell you it’s not always so easy and ideal as people would tell you. I also understand how difficult it is without job. Integrating is really not always so easy and having a job is the easiest way to integrate. I think we cannot judge her husband, they should decide what for them is the most important in life!
MilkChocolate21@reddit
I do not disagree with you. But one of them has a job, and honestly, it's a compromise that is often accepted by women because so many people think a woman's career is always less important than a man. It sounds like moving back would be a version of this, which is why maybe this person needs to rethink what going back means.
NCGlobal626@reddit
Instead of looking for a "comparable job" he needs to assess his skills and experience irrespective of the job titles he's had, and then look for positions that need his skills. This is coming from someone who has changed roles numerous times, and excelled because they capitalized on my natural talents as well as learned skills, not past job titles. So he needs to focus on his abilities, not the laundry Iist of the jobs he's done. Look for online skills inventory tests, and both of you take a critical look at his resume/CV, and how he's applying online. He needs to put a different foot forward and showcase what he CAN do, not just what he has done.
This method has worked for numerous people I know, young and old, and if your partner is willing to stretch himself a bit in another direction, he can find fulfilling work. Meanwhile back on the ranch, if going back means back to the US, I would caution against it. Jobs in many fields are scarce, housing is expensive, health care is dismal and if we ever had a safety net, the last of it has been shredded. It's not a good time to start over here. Please don't rock the boat and give up your stability there for an uncertain future here.
Serious_Escape_5438@reddit
Do you know anything about the job market in Ireland? The fact is that the way to demonstrate what skills you have is by what you've done in the past. If OP's partner has never worked with particular skills there's no way to showcase he has them.
VerySaltyScientist@reddit
He found a job in the US first right? I was in three mass layoffs in a row and could not get a single interview after the last one. When I gave up on the states and applied back in the UK then that was the game chancer, I had to leave the US just to get a job. I had other friends who also went back to their original countries after layoffs and not being able to get a job in the US, all had citizenship in the US as well.
Sad_Invite_5228@reddit
Does he have a job guaranteed in the US? Can he work remotely. Giving up after this time is crazy and honestly it was a bit delusional to expect having everything in order so fast.
Subterraniate2@reddit
Cannot work here remotely (bar certain faffsome tax and employer arrangements are set up)
HVP2019@reddit
It was unrealistic to make immigration plans based on hopes of finding comparable employment as new immigrants.
Be careful not to make the same mistake twice. Because returning home may not go according to best case scenario either: you may not find comparable employment, you may not be able to settle in comparable locations, find as good housing as you used to have.
Make future plans assuming that things will go not as good as you are hoping.
Subterraniate2@reddit
Seconded. There was never any guarantee he’d find his ideal employment (or even close) here as the partner of someone on this visa; it was always gamble, but 7 months really is throwing in the towel far too soon if he was on board with a long term commitment to the move.
PerpetualTraveler59@reddit
Better to have one job than no jobs between the two of you. Maybe they should line up some interviews, go back for a month or so and run the numbers. Not such an easy decision. I’d stay in Ireland especially if you, the OP, is happy and fulfilled.
grogi81@reddit
He's unreasonable and immature.
Salaries in Ireland are NOT comparable to what high-skilled professionals do in the US. But you get different benefits...
Sayahhearwha@reddit
You’re completely dismissing the health sector. I get job offers for 2500-3000K per week for 13 week contracts. It’s 100% job placement rate in medical right now. Don’t promote propaganda.
To OP, I wonder though if there are temporary jobs your husband may take on for now until he finds something in line with his profession?
brzantium@reddit
It's not dismissive. If OP's partner qualified for healthcare work, they'd likely qualify for a critical skills visa themself and this wouldn't be an issue. The rest of us schmucks out here are having a miserable time.
Source: wife works in healthcare care and I do not.
Modullah@reddit
Only healthcare is doing well right now…. Should we all go to nursing school?… economy is 100% cooked right now stateside…
Sayahhearwha@reddit
Nursing isn’t the only area. There’s many fields that pay as much and doesn’t require 2-4 years of coursework - surgical tech, phlebotomy, radiology tech, among a few.
Modullah@reddit
That’s all in healthcare… requires years of training and expenses…. We’re talking about people’s health. It’s not a regular white collar job where you mess a couple hundred dollars on a spreadsheet or financial forecast and it’s not a big deal. This is a complete pivot and commitment. In 2-4 years who’s to say healthcare wont be in a downturn?
Most folks have families, mortgages, etc. they can’t just drop everything and go to school. You’re trivializing the current economic situation and minimizing people’s struggles. Let’s be real, there’s no safety net in this country. Hope everyone can figure something out to weather these uncertain times.
Sayahhearwha@reddit
I’ve been in the field for 20 years. I can say that in the 2008 crisis, and COVID pandemic and everyone lost everything and we were still there. Healthcare is never going to have a downturn as long as their newborns, elderly who need care, and people who continue to prioritize their health and unfortunately, those who put their lives at risk. I can speak for both Ireland, US and Canada since I have experience.
ToTooThenThan@reddit
Obviously ops partner is not in the health sector then
Uncle_Richard98@reddit
Are you okay? You don’t seem very well of your head
Sayahhearwha@reddit
I’m healthy. You should be asking that poster for trying to scare OP. Didn’t you see they didn’t even offer any advice? That’s not helpful.
MaintenanceEmpty7159@reddit
Advising OP of the employment landscape from their perspective is considered advice by any metric, just because it’s unaligned with your viewpoint doesn’t change the fundamental fact that it is advice.
Sayahhearwha@reddit
Advice without any data is opinion and can be dangerous. When someone is already in a variable stress, that is not a state to increase their cortisol levels. Again, to reiterate, this poster is using fear to get the OP to stay but didn’t offer any PRACTICAL advice. Basically they told OP don’t leave, but deal with it and along with the possible loss of savings and not being able to pay the bills. Great so now what? As for you, what can you advise OP? I have given sound advice.
MaintenanceEmpty7159@reddit
That is a laughable notion and a contrived attempt to fit a factually incorrect description to rectify your error.
Personal advice by its very definition is individual opinion, it can of course be bolstered by evidence but it is by no means a necessity. Internet forums are for the sharing of unique viewpoints so the reader can assess the nuances offered to make an informed decision by those on a similar predication. When I post on an employment forum in my field to ask about experiences in advancement, I don’t expect responses like “27% of people resign in the first year while 32% find themselves unable to advance further”.
You’re disputing their advice, which I honestly do not care about in the slightest. The only thing that piqued my interest was blatantly incorrect assertion that the advice given did not qualify as advice as it did not satisfy your personal opinion.
Sayahhearwha@reddit
I can tell you’re not a health worker as you lack any fat to support your claim. This iterative argument is futile. Goodbye.
MaintenanceEmpty7159@reddit
Studied a Bachelor of Biomedical Science if that counts :) It’s hardly an iterative argument, advice is opinion, thats the definition. re: advice
grugling@reddit
It took my one of my best friend’s fiancé almost a year to find a good job as Americans in the US. He has a BA and was a military officer. So he worked as an electrician until he found his current job. Throwing in the towel at 7.5 months after uprooting your lives in a whole other country when you’re still learning about the lifestyle and work culture is actually insane. Unless you’re both already guaranteed good jobs in the US, YOU leaving the one job that exists between the two of y’all is counterproductive.
bubblyH2OEmergency@reddit
not being able to find a job is depressing
I had this problem in the US a couple of years ago, and my adult child here is struggling to find work now.
Even if you guys still leave in several months, encourage him to take any job now. He needs to meet people, get out of the house, just be out there.
doubtfulisland@reddit
This is wild. 7.5 months is barely long enough to get into a gym routine. He'll quit everything else in life if you go along with this move back.
The US had zero net job growth. The trades are the only thing hiring which is softening while most of the economy is shedding jobs.
He needs to toughen up and take any job offered and start from there. He sounds entitled making the decisions because he's not getting what he wants.
HotMountain9383@reddit
That is a shame but come back, it is way less expensive here. Move to somewhere else in the EU perhaps?
Colorado. Grand Junction. That's where you come back to.
liltrex94@reddit
Moving to somewhere else in the EU is probably not the best option. I live in England (no longer a part of the EU since brexit but we are still in Europe) but we have a lot of expats from other parts of Europe here because job opportunities and wages are better than they are in their home countries. My mum who is a community carer works with a woman from Poland, who is a live in carer for an elderly woman (my mum cares for the elderly lady during the carer's free time). Anyway, she has a child back in Poland who lives with her mother/child's maternal grandmother) and she sends money back to them. She works 6 weeks and then gets 2 weeks off, time that she uses to visit her family in Poland. It is far more economical for her to work here in England. Granted, she is a live in carer so no rent or utilities to pay for. She gets 2×2 hour breaks a day where she can go out and do her own thing. Most of her money gets sent back to her family to support her mother and kid because she doesn't really need to pay many expenses over here, the old woman that she cares for provides the money for meals as they usually eat together and they get along really well. She can buy her own snacks or food if she wants to eat something different. She is basically a paid companion with extra duties to take care of the wellbeing of the old lady. But she has to sacrifice time she could spend with her son, the 6 weeks work then 2 weeks off though means that other than him going to school, she gets to spend all that time with him.
There is also the language barrier when moving to other parts of Europe. Whilst a lot of Europeans can speak English, not all do and it would be difficult to find a job if you aren't fluent in the country's native language. So that very much limits employability, socialising and even just a basic understanding of pretty much anything, unless you are willing to put in the work to learn the language first. Which will put a whole new pressure onto OP and their husband who is already struggling. Most people who immigrate to the UK or USA already have a basic grasp on the English language. A Spanish friend of mine who is a nurse moved here and could speak English, not amazingly but now 7 years later she is fluent with the occasional misunderstanding. People from places like Poland, Romania and Lithuania are taught English and other languages quite early and even for them it is hard to transition.
So basically what I am saying, is that if OP and her husband want to look at somewhere else in Europe, it would have to be England. But I would recommend they stay put in Ireland for now, less than a year is not really enough time to make a decision. People everywhere go through long periods of unemployment. Much longer than 7 months, and who is to say that it will be better in the USA?
I have gone on for a bit there, sorry
Modullah@reddit
It doesn’t seem like op is asking for advice here. I think it’s obvious husband is in the wrong….
GotOotJIT@reddit
If they’re even married, since he’s referred to as a “partner”.
Modullah@reddit
If they’re not married then op really needs some counseling or an intervention
Teach-Chemical@reddit
The US job market is in shambles. If you all can both live off of your salary then stay. If he’s miserable then he needs to reframe his perspective. Keep applying and enjoy the free time in Ireland. He should be exploring, picking up a hobby, etc.
1acre64@reddit
A lot of the comments are assumptive about your and his situation because you leave a lot of key details out of your original post. Is your job transferable back to the US or are you going to be in a position of having to find a another job? Do jobs exist in Ireland that are comparable to his in the US? If so, is it a salary demand issue or are there just no jobs avail in that field? Has he considered other types of jobs/professions? Are the costs of moving back and setting up shop again in the US factored into the equation vs remaining in Ireland on 1 salary (albeit temporarily)? Is there any reason he can't return to the US first to find a job before you resign and return?
LibrarianByNight@reddit
I understand how your partner is feeling to some extent. I've been in my current country for 8 months with no employment. However, I knew it would be difficult to impossible, even in "menial" fields, and my partner and children are living their best lives here. I wish I had employment, but I'm not telling my husband that we're moving back when he's gainfully employed and happy.
What does your partner do? Does he have a job to go back to the US? Can he not do something outside his field, or more unskilled?
WoollyMammothwapo@reddit
Usually the second six months of any move are the most difficult. The newness has worn off and one has to work a little harder to make the place feel like home. I would encourage you to wait until at least one year. Then consider what others have said - he has to move back to USA and find a job before you return.
Glass_Chip7254@reddit
Honestly I’d be letting your boyfriend go… he doesn’t like Ireland, so you must give everything up for him… errr???
Beneficial-Koala-670@reddit
That's not a very long time. I'm in a field with very low unemployment even during recessions, and even people in my field have gone over six months without her job in the USA the past 2 years. he may be out of a job just as long in America.
mousekonijn@reddit
He's a quitter I'm sorry to say and he's not made for living in a new place and all that comes with it . You can't except to move somewhere totally new and have it all golden in 7 months. And if you love it , don't let someone else even your husband ruin the dream for you.
xlouiex@reddit
I have a feeling that him wanting to go back has nothing to do with not finding a job.
Choice_Technology791@reddit
Ireland has full employment. There are jobs for anybody willing to do them, maybe not in favoured field initially but easier to find work when you're already working.
us-of-drain@reddit
The us job market is abysmal right now.
Union_Biker@reddit
I would take any job to be able to not return to the US. If you are working and you are surviving, he can show some grit and figure out something to do.
gasu2sleep@reddit
It took me over 2 years to find a footing when I migrated to the US. By end of year one I was worse off than I was in my home country (In Latin America). It takes time and it's never as easy as people like to think.
arlenejoy22@reddit
Talk him out of it. For him to find a job “ comperable“ to his job in the US, he would have to include all of the other benefits that Ireland gives you. For instance, the cost of living is much lower. The quality of life is much higher. And when he looks at his salary in the US, he’d never be able to match those dollar amounts in Ireland or anywhere in Europe for that matter, but what do you get for that money in the US? Versus what do you get for half of that money in Ireland or elsewhere in Europe. Unless he’s MAGA. Then just send him back.
No_Vegetable7280@reddit
It’s not good in the us. It’s so bad. Why have you conceded? Has he looked for a job doing something else or is he fixed on doing something comparable right off the bat.
These are the realities of moving abroad. You may not find something in your field right away, so you get a different job while still looking for something you want to do.
lovepeacefakepiano@reddit
Partner or husband?
I wouldn’t even let my husband “determine” when it’s time for us to do something, but I certainly wouldn’t let someone who hasn’t even put a ring on it decide shit for me. Don’t go back to the US without a job. You have work. That’s not a given on the other side. And he shouldn’t go without securing work in the US either, that’s, sorry, abysmally stupid. Work first.
Able-Impression7567@reddit
Sorry to hear it is but what do you do for a living?
Admirable_Drawer8824@reddit
I’m sorry to hear this . What kind of work does your partner do ? Has he consider a sideways move to begin with ? I’m from usa originally and live in Dublin - lived here 4 years and UK before that . My partner is from uk and struggled to find work here so he works remotely for a uk based company .
Smores_and_Tents@reddit
Maybe he should find a job in the USA before you bother moving back. The USA has made the entire world market worse including in no small part its own. Its gotten hard everywhere due to erratic moves of a unfortunate world power. The US is not done getting worse I'm sure.
No-Giraffe7571@reddit
Sorry for your disappointments. What does your partner do, or what kind of jobs has he been looking for?
GringoVerde32@reddit
That's a pity. Barely enough time to get settled. What field is your partner in?