Does your country’s economy rely more on tourism or industry ?
Posted by TurkOmbre@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 215 comments
Are you satisfied with how tourism and industry are developed in your country, or should things be improved?
For me, Turkey still has some industrial lag. It produces a lot, but what’s really missing is higher value-added products. We’re still quite dependent on foreign technologies and focus more on assembly than innovation.
As for tourism, it’s very developed, but I’d also like to see more winter tourism. It could help less developed regions, especially in the east and the north, generate more income during the winter.
vukojarac8@reddit
As a croat, one bad season and people are fucked
AusCro@reddit
Tourism is temporary. Vegeta is forever
lemonbaked@reddit
🤣🤣🤣😭
Dear-Ad1582@reddit
Dude... We ain't having no Vegeta.. And no tourism... Aparrently we produce stuff..
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Industrial revenues are far more valuable than tourism revenues, which are more unpredictable 👍🏼
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Depends on the industry. Turkish industry, for example, relies on the imports and vastly anchored to the constructions - which makes it way less reliable, especially given construction isn't going to last forever, and it tends to create bubbles.
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Construction materials are a crucial element of the industry, and this sector represents 17% of Turkish industry. Many countries depend on Turkey for their construction needs.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Overall industry had grown 6.5% while the construction sector had grown ~14%. That's not that healthy tbh, as the construction sector do represent 10% of the overall economic growth of Turkey and the employment is way too skewed towards the said sectors, while the housing is a bubble already...
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
The housing market is definitely a bubble, but humanity will always continue to build and replace old buildings. Turkey, in particular, needs to replace many of its buildings due to a lack of seismic standards.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
I can refer to you graphs regarding the growth of the population and the housing sector & housing units, let alone the second hand vs newly constructed buildings. It's not going to last, as the said sector known to not last in general and causing crisis in the end. Waiting for earthquakes to create a demand is also not the best, as if a serious earthquake hits to Turkey's urban centres, the economy would be turned upside down anyway.
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
According to many specialists, 70% of Istanbul should be rebuilt for aesthetic and regulatory reasons. The construction sector is desperately needed for several more decades, perhaps even a century.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Istanbul isn't going to be rebuild unless an earthquake hits it, let's be honest here. If that happens, then it'd be a catastrophe for Turkey and Turkish economy anyway. Although, there's surely going to be lots of construction in Istanbul under the current government, yet it'll be furthering the said bubble, and do so with crappy buildings and via mostly butchering the scenery and the city itself.
Brbi2kCRO@reddit
Depends. Companies can fail too.
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Yes, but industry trains brains and prevents further imports: for a country, these two elements are truly crucial.
ManVSReddit@reddit
On the flip side one great season and you are not
vukojarac8@reddit
for many this is not the case. private accommodation has exploded in number, and the vast majority have gone into it with loans. one bad season and these individuals will not be able to pay their loans until the next good season. not to mention that there has been a perfect storm of price increases in the last 5 years, covid+euro+inflation, we have become more expensive to live in than some Western European countries, and we only manage to keep our heads above water because of tourism…
OldYogurt7161@reddit
This is same for Turkey and Greece too. Also explains why there will be no conflict.
NoPause9252@reddit
Can you cite your sources for these data. It seems that you multiply tourism with an "economic impact" multiplier. This makes industry that doesn't seem to have the economic impact multiplier not directly comparable to tourism. Also it seems that different countries have a different economic impact multiplier which may be justifiable but requires a link to a methodology doc.
adriandur@reddit
They used ChatGPT lol
dwartbg9@reddit
Dude, OP just discovered ChatGPT and this is his daily post with AI slop here. I'm getting tired of seeing his bullshit
mihacamper@reddit
In Slovenia we have turism, but we don't depend on it. Its just one of the industries, that bring money. I prefer it this way.
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Indeed, Slovenia is an industrial country, just like Turkey and Romania.
TheRealPizvo@reddit
How can industry be only 13% of Croatia's economy if the industrial output worth from your first list is 18 billion and our total GDP for 2025. is 104 billion? Are you making this stuff up?
Fault23@reddit
The OP's statistics seems to be coming from an AI (much likely gpt). It probably look every country's data from different dates or just made up stuff.
Fault23@reddit
Can you give us more reliable sources and not just chatgpt outcomes?
No-Championship-4632@reddit
It is somehow contradicting, Serbia has lower percentage but higher industrial output, yet it is a smaller economy than Bulgaria.
mihacamper@reddit
Slovenia has almost 4th the population and almost the same size of economy.
No-Championship-4632@reddit
It has almost 3th the population and its economy is 2x smaller.
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
Yep, over its 11% (and 20% total if you account things like retail and construction that benefit from it too) which is far too much for my taste.
Looks like we will turn it around through tech tho.
Btw great country, recently visited Maribor, very nice town.
Comfortable_Cress194@reddit
Bulgaria has really big tourism potential in my opinion
Excellent_Jeweler_43@reddit
Would rather not tbf. Tourism is insanely low margin business, creates low paid jobs and wrecks the infrastructure and increases the cost of living with very little in return
Fault23@reddit
At least it makes some parts of your city look nice
throwawaycarg@reddit
Also increases low quality migration
Typical-Farmer-1462@reddit
dude i visited plovdiv and i was like these mfs have THE OLDEST CONTINUOUSLY INHABITED CITY IN EUROPE where you can randomly see roman ruins on the street and they're not saying anything about it???
besides the way they handle their seaside better than us romanians and their beautiful mountains, they also have very interesting cities like plovdiv and veliko tarnovo for history enthusiasts
Panzerscout_SRB@reddit
Why would anyone go to the Black Sea? Warsaw pact doesn't exist anymore.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Nature, fresh air, etc. I mean, why not?
Panzerscout_SRB@reddit
So many more beautiful seas around.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
I mean, it depends on what you're looking for. Black Sea offers a milder weather, and it's with a more beautiful scenery if you're into woods than the lemurs/maquis.
Panzerscout_SRB@reddit
I like my sea mediterranean, not communist.
Substratas@reddit
Uhmmm wdym? The most communist country was Mediterranean. 😂
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
I'm half Cypriot so one of my country is literally on the Mediterranean Sea, but I can't deny that Black Sea has its charms.
bored-and-asleep@reddit
One of the few remaining subtropical forests in the region ,have very interesting culture and very delicious foods?
dwartbg9@reddit
13,6 million foreign tourists say otherwise. Making Bulgaria the 3rd most visited place on the Balkans
driftstyle28@reddit
I've "stepped foot" there and there definitely is a reason I'd rather go to Greece, Albania, Montenegro or Croatia instead.
dwartbg9@reddit
Where have you been in Bulgaria? And I'm just curious about the reasons for not liking it.
driftstyle28@reddit
Sunny Beach, the beach is really good but the hospitality, hotels, resorts and restaurants are very bad, you definitely do not get what you pay for, I was also dissapointed of how people who pay a f*ckton of money for service are treated. I truly like Bulgarians as a people, but it seems that they don't even want tourists at touristy places.
Panzerscout_SRB@reddit
Sadly, I did.
dwartbg9@reddit
Where have you been?
Panzerscout_SRB@reddit
Zlatni Pyasci, or however you spell it, in the early 2000s. I just dont like that type of seaside, same goes for northern and central Greece (Halkidiki or Thessaly)
dwartbg9@reddit
What type of seaside?
Stealthfighter21@reddit
Tourism is such a crap activity. R&D is the real deal.
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
Agreed
Safe-Razzmatazz3982@reddit
Our R&D goes into maximising tourism profits.
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
Looking at the number of unicorn startups in each balkan country, id say it goes into a lot of stuff.
Infobip is worth like 10 billion.
LocodocoBamBamBoom@reddit
Too bad tourism is a lot easier both to get in, make some money AND hide that money because stupid tourists prefer to pay cash to save 5 euros.
Choice_Length3287@reddit
You need tourism money to fund r&d
SwimmingAttention133@reddit
If it's anything like sunny beach or just another crappy way to make a portion of my own country unlivable money wise for me then no thanks.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Tbh, Bulgaria is more competitive regarding the mountains rather than the typical seaside.
dwartbg9@reddit
Not really, seaside tourism is our main sector and when we get the most tourists.
As for 2025 - we had 13,6 million foreign tourists, another record year in our history.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
I'm aware of that, but I wouldn't call it competitive since the other countries around. Mountains do have the edge though.
dwartbg9@reddit
Yeah, fair enough.
New-Ranger-8960@reddit
As a Greek visiting Bulgaria every now and then, I massively agree.
bagdf@reddit
Their ski resorts are really good.
Impressive_Youth_331@reddit
Bulgaria’s only issue is hospitality. You can tip someone 300% and they’ll still give you a grumpy attitude.
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Ah, I noticed that too, lol
padel_zdravlje@reddit
Don't do it, tourism fucked us locals in Croatia big time.
Left-Fennel5600@reddit
Couldn't agree more
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Yes thank to Black sea and also mountains (for winter tourism)
No-Tomatillo-9217@reddit
What is the source of this table/ information? Pls provide.
Soguyswedid_it2@reddit
Wow Romania is really bad. I mean more people go to Bulgaria. Granted half of those people are Romanians in the summer. Bulgaria is to us what Spain is to the British atp but like 8 billion is nothing man. We truly have dogshit marketing.
InevitableWest6515@reddit
Romania is so bad in the tourism area, that is because of the government(corruption). We have so many things to do and to view.
betacarotentoo@reddit
Thank God for that. All those of you wanting more tourism in Romania clearly don't have the habit of thinking about consequences (damages to nature, price growth, overcrowding).
InevitableWest6515@reddit
We have the same “beach” like Bulgaria, and they have more tourists than us… more romanians prefer Bulgaria because of the prices.
We already have higher prices:)
Clearly I don’t want tourism like in Spain :))
my-opinion-about@reddit
Romania has a big potential for tourism, we have almost everything, mountains, sea, historical regions and others.
But we have the most imbecile businessmen in the entire Europe.
amazingamy19@reddit
How are you not higher? I’m baffled by this.
faramaobscena@reddit
Because it’s expensive for what you get (like the other commenter said, the government is offering tourism vouchers to state employees, which leads to high prices and no incentive to improve their hotels because they will receive guests anyway). We don’t even have a dedicated ministry for it and politicians don’t seem too interested.
One_more_drink_@reddit
100% this.
One_more_drink_@reddit
There hasn't been a big focus in the country to attract foreigners. Our tourism industry has survived the last few years thanks to the vouchers given to government employees and by putting high prices on any kind of service possible.
There's a reason a lot of Romanians during the summer vacation just go to Bulgaria/Greece or Turkey and it's because you get more bang for your buck.
amazingamy19@reddit
Still. I’ve been to Romania two times and it’s beautiful. It’s such a beautiful and big country and has so much to offer.
Ndr2501@reddit
I agree, but to be fair it does not help that the country is pretty big and divided in 2 by mountains. Also, Ceausescu left us with pretty much 0 km of highway, unlike other countries.
faramaobscena@reddit
We do have highways now but that’s a minor reason. A much bigger one is bad public transport between major cities, terrible rail transport… and even when it’s fine, it’s almost impossible to figure it out if you’re a foreigner. Have fun navigating autogari.ro or mersultrenurilor.ro as a tourist!
karlowolf05@reddit
Industry is mid-development trap, when I hear an argument "TREBA OTVARAT TVORNICE I FABRIKE" from someone I feel irresistible urge to smack him in the head with an ashtray.
driftstyle28@reddit
Yeah, maybe those people are right you know. Tourism is not as sustainable as actual industry.
karlowolf05@reddit
They aren't, and they don't know shit about economy anyways.
podivljali_vepar@reddit
True. R&D and services
karlowolf05@reddit
This.
brownnoisedaily@reddit
What is the industry in Kosovo?
BarskiPatzow@reddit
Romania should really have much more from tourism.
EZES21@reddit
We can't do tourism despite the potential. We're too retarded and corrupted for that.
Neutrinomind@reddit
It doesn’t have much potential, romanians overrate their country’s beauty.
They are obviously not retarded, much to everyone’s need for it to be so
floare_salbatica@reddit
🤦🏻
Neutrinomind@reddit
🤷🏼 Orașe, monumente sau castele mai frumoase au mai toate țările la vest de noi. Iar când e vorba de natura României, mie chiar mi se pare supraapreciată, dar poate fi și un bias că trăiesc aici, cine știe
floare_salbatica@reddit
Dacă tot ce știi e orașul în care locuiești și satul de la 30 de km distanță, sigur!
Neutrinomind@reddit
Nu, dar voi rămâne cu părerea mea.
floare_salbatica@reddit
Ești foarte deschis la minte. 😅
One_more_drink_@reddit
Nici tu nu prea ești, ai trecut la un atac ad hominem fără să aduci vreun argument.
driftstyle28@reddit
Romanians definitely do not overrate their country's beauty. Romania is one of the rare places where I could stay for long times and where I'd want to go multiple times :)
betacarotentoo@reddit
As someone said, tourism is a crappy activity, and it is right. Romania is well oriented towards industry.
EZES21@reddit
We're not oriented towards anything. The fact that we don't bring much money from tourism is not because we chose to focus on other industries. It's because we don't have a coherent plan to increase tourism even though we could.
Hospitality may not be the best industry but between bringing money in from tourism and not at all I'd rather we got some money from tourism.
dwartbg9@reddit
Romania is actually not a very popular tourist destination.
2 million foreign tourists in 2025 compared to 13,6 million for Bulgaria. You can see the staggering difference
driftstyle28@reddit
I don't understand why though, I've been to both countries multiple times and no offense here but I'd much rather visit Romania once again than Bulgaria.
Kutabare-Pepoto@reddit
Cheap alcohol tourism funded by easy access from the EU
No-Championship-4632@reddit
It should be though, quite a lot of tourist potential there.
SoulEkko@reddit
Romania produces half a million cars a year, versus Bulgaria's 0, you can see the staggering difference.
BarskiPatzow@reddit
It should be, though.
New-Ranger-8960@reddit
Industry in Greece is a joke. Tourism is the only thing keeping us "steady".
Panzerscout_SRB@reddit
When I was a kid obsessed with everything car related, in the 1980s, I just couldn't believe that there is a country which doesn't have a national car industry.
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Unfortunately, Serbia has regressed in the car industry.
Panzerscout_SRB@reddit
And it's not national car brand anymore.
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
st4lk33r@reddit
Where is the Romanian brand Dacia?
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Dacia = Renault (French)
Shaolinpower2@reddit
Wait... If a rich Turk would buy Renault, would it make it a domestic brand? Is this how it works?
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
it will be a hybrid brand
iongion@reddit
Maybe somewhere, but in Europe I don't see them otherwise than Dacia, today saw a hybrid for the first time, in the middle of Brussels, Dacia Bigster, who knew ... I remember my dad's 1310 and vacations countryside, coming back to Bucharest with watermelons under our feet :D, Long live the Balkans!
43282348@reddit
Dacia's (at least most of the ones sold in Europe) are designed and produced in Romania, headquarters of Dacia are also in Romania, it's a Romanian brand owned by the Renault Group. Lamborghini is also owned by the VW group, still doesn't make it a German car/brand.
BadBasik@reddit
How the hell did we get a negative number😂
bored-and-asleep@reddit
That not - but this ~ meaning approximately
BadBasik@reddit
Damn, now I am disappointed ☹️
a_bright_knight@reddit
well 2025 numbers is because the factory in Serbia didn't have a platform for 3 years because they were transforming it to make EVs.
Production only restarted in mid 2025 so we will see. They plan to make over 150 000 cars yearly
driftstyle28@reddit
No more Yugo💔💔
New-Ranger-8960@reddit
Fun fact is that we once had our own cars, but in the 1980s, Greece’s economic model shifted entirely. This shift caused many of these companies to fail, and as competition improved, the Greek auto industry was ultimately abandoned.
Check this if you can translate: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Αυτοκινητοβιομηχανία_στην_Ελλάδα
Shaolinpower2@reddit
Can you write the name in Latin too please. I couldn't find the translation button.
New-Ranger-8960@reddit
There isn’t an English version unfortunately, only Greek. In Latin transcription is Autokinitoviomichania stin Ellada.
Shaolinpower2@reddit
Well, I'm sure chatgpt can explain the story. Thanks again.
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Why do you think Greece isn't industrialized enough? If I'm not mistaken, around the year 2000 Greece was much higher in the rankings.
LocodocoBamBamBoom@reddit
High costs, small domestic market that works like a closed friend group in school, government only supports its own buddies. Everything else people will tell you is BS.
Oh yeah, and I’d tell you 15 years ago that the average Greek worker was very productive and had good work ethic. Nowadays none of this is true anymore the quality of the work force is hot garbage. You might not believe it because the average Greek Redditor is useless but it is easier than ever for a good worker to get a good job and above average money because of this.
Successful-Mood1574@reddit
I disagree I see a ton of smart, capable people. The job opportunities suck. The difference between a 1200 euro coffee job and a 2000 euro job at Deloitte is a ton more work for a tiny amount of incremental salary.
I’m an American living in Athens. Could be wrong.
LocodocoBamBamBoom@reddit
I employ around 60 people currently so if I parrot what other people with businesses say it can be wrong but I can tell you from my perspective. However before telling you this, I think it is important to note that from 1200 to 2000 euro it is a pretty big increase. Currently it is quite easy to job hop between companies up to the 1600 euro net mark (I always refer to net) which with 14 salaries which is what private sector legally has to pay is around 1800 closer to 1900.
Anyway, so most of the people (and especially the younger ones) only ask for money upfront and have the mentality that regardless of how much they will get it is too little and do not want to prove they are capable. I do something different, I start with whatever we initially agree on and I reevaluate in the 3 month mark where either they get a sizeable raise or leave and then at 6 months when they will get another raise and then depending on the position, a plan of how their income will grow. Different positions have different ceilings but if a person is good and shows interest I will find something else for them to do and make more money.
Since I am a medium sized company for international standards, I don’t have the pull big names do. People who come will learn and I will also invest a lot in them for jobs that have clear growth potential. A private business will always require more work because it doesn’t have the turnover of a multinational for redundancy but this is also where you can be seen and be given opportunities. I’m also in relatively niche segments where I’ll get people either for the lab or for sales and they know absolutely nothing about the job and as such it makes zero sense to start people from very high salaries but again, when someone shows potential and interest I sit them down and I tell them, every year you will get this raise, after this time I’ll cover your gas, after this time I’ll give you a car (for some), I’ll add private insurance and bla bla bla. Not everyone is like me but I’m also not in a million. So having said that, one can choose to work initially for marginally more and prove themselves and get money when they are actually useful or they can stay at their lower income jobs forever.
Successful-Mood1574@reddit
I think more contracts should be structured like that. Companies would take more risks on potential and hungry employees would be rewarded. What types of jobs do you hire?
LocodocoBamBamBoom@reddit
Accountant, order placement to suppliers and basically putting them in ERP, invoicing, B2B sales etc. Surprisingly, blue collar jobs used to be the hardest to fill but haven’t had issues with them at all in the last year or so. Actually warehouse workers were always the hardest because most work without having a forklift certification.
Successful-Mood1574@reddit
Interesting. Sent you a DM
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Why this dramatic decline? I think the European Union and the euro are largely to blame.
I think Turkey would have followed the same path if it had joined the European Union.
desertedlamp4@reddit
Well and now we have our opposition leader in jail instead, Orban of Hungary couldn't jail his rival because he was simultaneously a member of the EU parliament and had impunity which Orban challenged in court in order to jail but failed
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Okay, but that has nothing to do with industrial and tourism development. China has an authoritarian regime; there's no opposition, even though it's the country that excels the most in this area. Under Erdogan, Turkey increased its tourism revenue tenfold, but that has nothing to do with Erdogan. With or without Erdogan, Turkey was going to make that progress anyway.
desertedlamp4@reddit
Yes, in the 21st century overall there's a growth of international tourism, comparing today to the 70s or shit is unfair
LocodocoBamBamBoom@reddit
People gave up. I could have given up too, taken all my stuff and move to our cheaper neighboring countries. Easy for me to say though because I’m established now and do well. Don’t get me wrong on one hand I understand them completely, and when they want they can be great. However, we have always had a victim mentality and it just got worse because now the mountain needed to climb to succeed has become both steeper and higher.
Without the euro and the EU I can promise you we would be a lot worse off. In Turkey you produce raw materials as well and you also function as a hub for EU companies - actually a few of the EU companies I work with moved their factories in Turkey and China.
bored-and-asleep@reddit
If we joined eu we would have a drastical brain drain ,even now we cant keep people in plus trade being free and all ,we would mostly import rather than export. Also for Euro once you get in and things go awry you cant get out because economy may collapse. Powerful currencies are addictive things. Turkey's economic crisis happened due to that .Usa was the one who started it but it would cause issue on its own regardless.
desertedlamp4@reddit
Poland had a 20% unemployment rate and millions of its citizens abroad when it joined EU, today Poland is much better than Turkey and it sees a reverse immigration of Poles from Germany, the UK and the Netherlands. It turns out keeping us caged here isn't the solution ultimately
mico9@reddit
I think you might be wrong on the brain drain part (saying this based on limited experience in hiring). White collar workers never had too much issues. In blue collar jobs, Turks seem to be much more welcome than some other citizens.
National-Frame8712@reddit
I find it fascinating that pretty much all of you listed above are also valid for Turkey, too.
Admirable-Roof-1933@reddit
Its valid everywhere… the decay of Europe is real
SE_prof@reddit
Do you have a way to translate audio my friend? I have two awesome sources!
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Yes
SE_prof@reddit
https://open.spotify.com/episode/19zDEJVzJVHeWSaXqYj5uy?si=dYu-LtsbSeSVQUGXQXUA8Q&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A0tDcSjIXJXbLtpWWMkzJyl
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3InTcXo0SMdQqhYTNTQ2wl?si=KOaHJf8hR8i6u5g-BLz9Sw&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A0tDcSjIXJXbLtpWWMkzJyl
https://open.spotify.com/episode/11dyYe3zZisFkhPjuPlYmr?si=fHqrfPLRRg6xm5a6x2xNOQ&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A0tDcSjIXJXbLtpWWMkzJyl
https://youtu.be/DyE18dDUw7Q?si=Q-_maGy9aN25VKFi
The first one is about the growth of Greek industry after WW2.
The other two are about the decline since 1974.
The last one is an interview with the president of the association of Greek industrialists.
Mysterious-Sky4382@reddit
It was awecome track "Greece 2000"
New-Ranger-8960@reddit
Due to high taxes, high energy costs, brain drain, poor infrastructure, and incompetent politicians.
Greece's growth in the 1990s and 2000s was not true growth. It was fueled by debt money poured into overblown public projects that were designed and built with corruption, nepotism and clientelism.
The bubble inevitably burst in 2008. No one was jailed, no one was tried, and the same old parties (ND and PASOK) continue to be voted for and praised despite having destroyed the country for their own party insider benefits.
Prod_Meteor@reddit
"""""steady"""""
New-Ranger-8960@reddit
Big emphasis on the quotation marks, as it should for everything in this country
Prod_Meteor@reddit
""""""""""greece"""'"""""""
There you go.
checkliver@reddit
Looking at how big Romania is, we could do way better in tourism but the hospitality and services are crap
Ndr2501@reddit
and the infrastructure.
also, for example, if you want to hike in the Carpathian, good f luck finding info if you don't speak Romanian. want to find a place in a cabin? well f u, because there is only a cellphone number on an obscure forum and the guy answers 1 times out of 5, doesn't speak English and is super rude.
faramaobscena@reddit
Ah yes, plus the medieval high altitude mountain cabins when compared to Western ones. I avoid them like the plague and I love hiking!
Also…. the bears 🐻
betacarotentoo@reddit
We are doing just fine.
driftstyle28@reddit
To be honest, the hospitality in Romania was just fine for me, better than most places. I haven't been on the coast though.
checkliver@reddit
Then you are one of the 5% of tourists that got lucky
Hot-Charge198@reddit
Better like that, nobody really likes tourists
ProductGuy48@reddit
Not all hospitality services. Services primarily at the sea side are crap. There are loads of great places to stay at in the mountains, Transylvania, Bucovina, etc. Lots of foreigners visiting Romania going Bucharest -> Brasov -> Sighișoara. We need to focus more on urban, historical and mountain getaways and less on the Black Sea where there are far better alternatives.
Extra_Loquat_5599@reddit
Thank god there is so little tourism in Serbia.
amazingamy19@reddit
Why?
ferevon@reddit
because that would lower the ratio of Turks among the tourists
driftstyle28@reddit
Turkish tourists love coming to Belgrade for some reason.
Dear-Ad1582@reddit
So finally Turks are conquering Belgrade..
driftstyle28@reddit
Yep... Those grandmas really did damage to our fortress... (They dropped their ice cream)
ferevon@reddit
no visa
driftstyle28@reddit
That makes sense
vukojarac8@reddit
Be happy about it. My hometown changed dramatically in the last 20 years. You can see that it’s slowly losing its soul. As one unknown author said:
“A place that starts living off of tourism stops living for itself.”
avrend@reddit
AI slop, what is the source for this data, your butt? ChatGPT?
NoPause9252@reddit
ChatGPT can easily flag the issues with the data, expose how it was manipulated to make them look plausible and give you the correct sources ;)
avrend@reddit
I'm sure it can, but instead of that we have whatever this is
Dom8331@reddit
Croatia and Greece are one balistic missle landing on their soil away from bankrupting their economies😂
MechaAti@reddit
It really doesn't feels like Turkey has a big Industry
TheRealPizvo@reddit
I don't know where you get your data from, but Croatia never even sniffed 25 billion in tourism revenue. 2024. was one of the best years since we have records and we ended with 15 billion.
I also found that your data for Serbia is inaccurate. According to World Bank statistics, in 2024. Serbia had around 21 billion worth in the industrial sector with only a 0,7% increase in 2025..
https://statbase.org/data/srb-industry-value-added-total/
They also never exceeded 3 billion in tourism revenue.
I find your lists to be very flawed and inaccurate.
NoPause9252@reddit
The OP seems to be applying an 'economic impact ' factor to the tourism revenue which is different per country and makes also the comparison to the overall industry (without any impact multiplier) very misleading.
I have asked for citations from the OP in another comment but have not yet received any.
Superilosa14@reddit
Turkey has 317 industry while Albania has only 4 (what are these metrics?)
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
Well, the Albanian industry has become a joke, at least since the 1990s. Back then, instead of gradually privatizing it like other post-communist countries did, we shut everything down, and those few factories that remain don’t even have Albanian workers.
Now 1 in 5 Albanians works in the tourism sector, and this industry has become the main one in Albania. To be honest, Albania does not have the potential to be a fully industrial country, we are a small country with less than 3 million people and we can’t invent rockets. Albania has extraordinary potential for tourism, so now is the best time to take advantage of it, but we also shouldn’t have a nonexistent industry like the current one.
Puzzleheaded_Sail729@reddit
Wish it was 0 or smth
ChrisCryptosGR@reddit
Unfortunately greece relies mostly on tourism! There is a dying about tourism that I don’t remember but depicts that tourism sucks as a country’s economy!
Exotic_Cantaloupe_96@reddit
Isnt tourism an industry? Was that meant to be tourism industry vs another or a mix of other industries? (Manufacturing, construction, services, agriculture, energy etc?)
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
The term ‘tourism industry’ is not accurate; it’s a figure of speech used to refer to an important sector of the country. That’s why when we talk about tourism in Greece, we refer to it as an industry. In strict economic terms, tourism is not an industry.
Industry = manifacturing
Exotic_Cantaloupe_96@reddit
You re allowed to make stuff up but that's not how it works.
An industry means any group of economic activities that produce similar goods or services. Categories are as follows:
Primary industry Extracting natural resources → agriculture, fishing, mining, forestry
Secondary industry Turning raw materials into products → manufacturing, construction
Tertiary industry (services) Providing services rather than physical goods → tourism, banking, retail, healthcare, education
Quaternary industry Knowledge-based work → tech, research, data, consulting
SmartFlyNR1@reddit
Why did they put Slovenia there? Slovenia is not Balkan
driftstyle28@reddit
Yeah, cope harder. You will never be Western or Austrian, you are Balkan South Slavs.
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
So why do some Slovenians come to the subreddit?
SmartFlyNR1@reddit
No idea. Guess they like Balkans...
AlexNachtigall247@reddit
Romania relies on the Romanians working abroad though.
driftstyle28@reddit
Maybe 10-15 years ago, definitely not now.
Downtown_Ad_8508@reddit
It doesn’t RELY on it. It’s just a small proportion of the overall money flow.
Ndr2501@reddit
Yes and no. It's about 3% of GDP. But, the trade deficit is 9% of GDP, so this 3% actually helps offset a lot of that and creates demand for RON.
Vaisiamarrr@reddit
2-3% remittances, crass exaggeration to say that Romania relies on the diaspora sending money back home, a lot of the Romanians that left the country brought their family over there
EZES21@reddit
Source: I made it up.
pieptdepui@reddit
yeah fuck that. tourism is one thing that I'm glad we're lacking.
No-Carpenter4346@reddit
Hair transplants are boomin in Turkey
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Yeah but it is like 3-4 B$ (1 million people)
No-Carpenter4346@reddit
Still only one sector of the plastic surgery economy you guys have. It’s definitely not you’re only draw but you gotta admit that 3-4 b more than we have
ferevon@reddit
plenty of dentist services are getting popular as well. Recently i saw a guy come from London for a custom suit. I guess despite everything looking expensive for the average joe for higher cost services Turkey is still cheap.
UnhappyBreadfruit607@reddit
God created baldness to support Turkish economy
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
it will be a hybrid brand
drjet196@reddit
Would be nice to see a breakdown per capita.
RetardedKing1919@reddit
Bosnia is not exactly a tourist country. The Stari Most in Mostar or Sarajevo's Baščaršija may be the hot-spots for many tourists, but that's it (I can't name any other things). Other than that, the places in Bosnia are nothing special.
Mashinekalibar123@reddit
Croatia surpassed major industrial powers like Hungary and Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia. Tourism is much better for mid countries. Profits are well distributed among common population. In industry there are like 1 or 2 owners of factory who offshore their profits or just foreigners. Tourism doesnt require your country to accumulate knowledge and make brand, capital. Which is great for sanctioned, ex commie war-torn countries. Once tourist investments bankrupt they can easily be repaired again meanwhile when heavy industry bankrupts its just over. Balkan countries do not have much to offer in terms of inputs machines so all of them are imported abroad. The one thing that balkan countries have to offer is labour. You can invest 70 million of euros in phoshatic acid factory like we did in serbia. It generated just 35 jobs. How many jobs can you generate by investing that much aparments block which you can rent restoraunts and cafes? Problaby a thousand. Tourism doesnt require industrial policy (textword subsidies). Tourism is less prone to automatisation.
Ndr2501@reddit
Not 100% about tourism. Yes, "common" people can make money too (but it requires owning real estate in some desirable location). But one could say that industry produces (or can produce) high-paying jobs for educated people. Tourism just needs minimum wage workers, essentially.
ArhivatorBG@reddit
But key downside is that there is no sufficient R&D development in the country. Those who are interested in science, mathematics, etc. have limited options. To be fair, this is the general case in the entire Balkans.
What most people neglect is that Croatia has middle class tourism. Beautiful sea, coasts and solid infrastructure with high potential to upgrade even further. But the world did not have real crisis since 2008 and such situation is everything but normal. The achieved growth in tourism will be very difficult to maintain in the next 10 years.
When the economy slows down and when people's disposable income goes down due to the inflation, job losses, etc. they will first cut on vacation spending because tourists are not high / luxury class (as far as I know).
Mashinekalibar123@reddit
I forgot to mention. Everybody believed tourism will die after covid. What actually happent is that Europeans travel less to other continents, airfares are expensive. And all they do is turn their mercedes and go to croatia. The only thing that actually happened is that mercedes is older because european industry is in shambles, cars suck and no one can afford them. Germans will stop buying new cars but wont quit their vacation in croatia.
ArhivatorBG@reddit
I was thinking of COVID while writing the post. But my prediction is that Europe will find itself in a very difficult position because of everything that is going on - weakening economy, decreasing consumption, geopolitics, Trump, etc. And these factors will influence tourism more than COVID because COVID was not as persistent as the slowdown, once it occurs.
Esdoorn-Acer@reddit
Most of Slovenian tourism is related to Alps. Which are not Balkan. So putting Slovenia on the list doesn’t make much sense, does it?
Fancy-Sherbet8787@reddit
A healthy community should make enough money from other things such that tourism is a perk, 5-6%.
BadBasik@reddit
As a Bosnian, I would say neither 😅
AZAH197@reddit
Last year was the last time for me to go to Turkey. The prices are insane. Gonna boast my Greek brothers.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
You can try the Eastern Black Sea shores, if that's your jam. Other than that, surely, don't even care to touch that unless you want to explore Istanbul or visit some specific historical sites.
Afraid-Narwhal-7501@reddit
I don’t know what’s changed, but I’ve started to feel like we’re not as bad country as I thought we were.
Good_Problem_6576@reddit
Well... it depends on your perspective.
How much do you value equality and human rights?
TurkOmbre@reddit (OP)
Which country ?
Komursiyahcelik@reddit
No 1 kilogram of pepper cost 10 euros whats there to be satisfied with
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
Still tourism, but we are turning it around, tourism used to be a lot more dominant.