What If: Pederson, Thompson and the 1919 Spring Offensive
Posted by CT2145Trapper@reddit | ForgottenWeapons | View on Reddit | 14 comments
I recently re-watched the Forgotten Weapons video on the Pederson Device and it got me thinking. What if the 1919 Spring offensive had occurred and the Pederson, Thompson and M1918 BAR were pressed into extensive front-line combat, and how would that change small arms development.
My main focus was the Pederson Device because we never really saw anything like this come up in a developmental cycle ever again, and I was wondering if it being officially adopted and used in combat might change development. Would it be quickly done away with after the war? or would dual rifle-pistol caliber weapons become standard (We know there were devices developed for the M1917, SMLE and Mosin). potentially slowing down the procurement and adoption of semi-automatic weapons.
Secondly would be the Thompson SMG (Then known as the 'Annihilator) If it were to be used in combat, would that speed up western adoption of the Submachine gun into the military? Instead of having to mass purchase them in the beginning days of WWII?
Idk, just a cool thought experiment
aisa9000@reddit
If anything, the fact that Pedersen device doesn’t use the same ammo as the one used in pistol is a huge let down. In that way, Pedersen + Mosin might work, but only a tiny chance. The thing is, the system only works with something .32 acp power, which is weak. For it to works, I would expect some sort of short recoil action. Still, the fact that a lot of the mechanism is literally so that you can use same trigger doesn’t sound very good to me.
Like, I put some thought on what can we do to make it more reasonable, which is something Pedersen himself should have done. Otherwise, for something I can best think of as a training adapter, it sure is expensive.
Barbarian_Sam@reddit
The Pedersen/Mosin did work
Popular_Mushroom_349@reddit
The BAR as well.
I think it would have proven their worth against German positions during the war. And the Pedersen Device would have probably helped steer the Army towards semi-auto rifles.
We definitely would have seen earlier advancements of SMGs and LMGs. But I don't think the Army would have considered developing an intermediate cartridge, until they got field reports of the semi-auto rifle first.
Popular_Mushroom_349@reddit
The BAR as well.
Temporary_Border7233@reddit
1919? Basically no change other than a difference in total deaths.
If they appeared in 1915 and firearms tech proceeded from a "pistol caliber carbine is effective" 30 carbine would have come about MUCH sooner than the 40s.
justaheatattack@reddit
How much can we cut down a springfield, and have the pederson still work?
Intoducing, the ENFORCER!
Temporary_Border7233@reddit
See, hear me out. 1916, the department of war decide its better to send 15 smgs in a box than 5 rifles. They focus on producing cheaper alternatives to the Thompson but with more power.
30 cal Thompson delayed blowback is born
justaheatattack@reddit
no way ordnance does that. they adopted the pederson as a temporary thing.
US ARMY is about aimed controlled fire. and wave attacks.
Temporary_Border7233@reddit
Ordnance no, pencil pushers in congress? Maybe
AKMike99@reddit
More people would die and not much would change
fendtrian@reddit
This 100%
Haunting-Top-1763@reddit
Germany gets belgiumed
Vandecker@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M637KpEP1_E
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