‘Everything is gone’: Israel destroys entire villages in Lebanon | Lebanon
Posted by SpontaneousFlame@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 107 comments
Posted by SpontaneousFlame@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 107 comments
SpontaneousFlame@reddit (OP)
I for one am really keen to see how the hasbara brigrade will spin this. Will the “explanation” be “this is perfectly normal in war. At least it’s not a nuclear bomb!” Will they say “I don’t support this but…” and then fully and completely support it? Or will they simply stay away because they have a sense of shame and they know this is indefensible?
And yes, definitely /s on the last one...
aelgorn@reddit
🤷♂️ all I have to say about that is I pity the ones who lost their homes and who were against the Hezb’s suicidal war. The others deserve exile. But not them.
Stubbs94@reddit
What is your opinion of Israel bombing Lebanon for nearly 2 years without any attacks from the other side?
aelgorn@reddit
Hezbollah breaking the ceasefire agreement and Israel fulfilling their part 🤷♂️
Stubbs94@reddit
Do you condemn Israel for the mass murder on Wednesday, or do you think that was them doing a good thing?
aelgorn@reddit
I condemn the indiscriminate bombing. But then again. 300 dead today is better than 30000 over 10 years.
Stubbs94@reddit
Do you believe Israel has/is committing genocide in Gaza?
aelgorn@reddit
Yes, and I care about Gaza separately than Lebanon. The two have nothing to do with each other. Gaza's government was already entirely made of terrorists, and they still are fighting to the death. Lebanon is different because it recognizes the terrorists and wants them gone more than Israel does.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit (OP)
This is such a brilliant defence of infanticide and genocide that I should print this out and frame it. Thank you. Well done!
aelgorn@reddit
Who defended infanticide and genocide? They are simply not us, it's all I said. As for you, Hezbollah defender, this is what you are:
"We will start wars that none of you want. We will fight for dominance over the land, and you have no say in it. We will assassinate all your country's democratically elected leaders who seek peace. But dare you say anything against us, and you are a traitor zionist who marvels at the blood of children."
Habibi, the only people who marvel at the blood of children are the ones sending them to betray their country and die for nothing more than a dead iranian despot.
Hezbollah is an occupier in Lebanon holding it hostage, just like Israel is in Gaza. Don't delude yourself into thinking it's a resistance. It only ever resisted the sovereignty of the state of Lebanon.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit (OP)
The underlying problem here is that you look at people born in Lebanon to parents, grandparents and great grandparents who were also born in Lebanon and you dub them foreign occupiers who should be driven out. You have a lot in common with Jewish Israelis, who look at Palestinians and feel they should be driven out.
aelgorn@reddit
No, the underlying problem is that Hezbollah is entirely supported by Iran, worked with Syria to keep our army week, assassinated the democratically elected heads of the state, and has a supporter base who believes they are the only ones in the country who should decide its fate, and that whoever says otherwise is a Zionist.
protonpack@reddit
The sovereignty of the part of Lebanon that Israel is taking over right now? I'm sure they're almost done though.
aelgorn@reddit
They hold the entire country hostage to their decisions, they undermine our army for decades to stay weak through their terrorism. They dismantled our economy through tax havens and money laundering. They made sure anyone who disturbed the status quo where their influence was eroding the state’s was assassinated. They violently disrupted our protests in 2019. But sure. Be blind
Stubbs94@reddit
The genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestine is not separate to the current ethnic cleansing of Southern Lebanon.
aelgorn@reddit
It very much is different. The gazans and palestinians are under siege by israel and being invaded by them. The lebanese are under siege by Hezbollah. Israel is coordinating with the lebanese army to get rid of Hezbollah.
Just because Israel is a monster terrorist state doesn't automatically make the monsters fighting it angels.
Stubbs94@reddit
You think Israel is coordinating with the Lebanese army? Where's the evidence? They've been attacking the Lebanese army, they have killed Lebanese troops and have targeted the Lebanese health system. If you genuinely believe Israel is just targeting Hezbollah or has Lebanon's best interest at heart... I have this fantastic bridge to sell you.
aelgorn@reddit
Israel was telling the army where it was going to bomb, and where to go look themselves for weapons caches if they didn't want the area bombed.
Honestly all I want out of you foreigners is to take a deep breath and filter out your hate for israel from the facts. You're right to hate Israel all you want, but you somehow excuse the IRGC operatives hijacking Lebanon, committing just as bad as war crimes in Syria and Beirut, and sending us all to our doom. And you're doing it all because you refuse to accept that the country you rightfully hate is not wrong in one single instance, which is that the Hezbollah is an iranian invader in Lebanon that has committed just as bad if not worse crimes as the zionists.
Stubbs94@reddit
You are defending Israel while they attack your army, ethnically cleansed your people and destroy your hospitals... Hezbollah hasn't done close to what Israel is doing in Lebanon.
aelgorn@reddit
Again, you are referring to PALESTINE, not Lebanon. You are lost.
Stubbs94@reddit
This is what Israel is doing in Lebanon right now.
aelgorn@reddit
Alright, let's debunk:
Stubbs94@reddit
What is the source of "less than 50% civilian casualties"? I assume this is directly from the IDF.
aelgorn@reddit
Just sum of the hezb members that died (hezbollah itself announces them all individually) / sum of total casualties in Lebanon. Don't trust me, do the research and math yourself. Or ask AI to do it, whatever.
Stubbs94@reddit
Are you saying the Lebanese Health ministry doesn't distinguish between combatants and civilians? Because the death tolls I'm seeing don't corroborate what you're saying. Given that UNICEF stated that 600 children were either killed or wounded since the invasion began by Israel.
aelgorn@reddit
All your questions are answered in the links. And no, the health ministry doesn't distinguish between fighter and civilian, since the fighters are not in the army but are civilians illegally carrying weapons of mass destruction. And as per reuters, since you haven't read the links and won't bother looking up the individual hezbollah announcements, In a 2023-2024 war with Israel, Hezbollah issued daily death notices for each fighter killed and said after the war that some 5,000 had been killed in total. Lebanon's health ministry said in March that Israeli strikes and ground operations had killed 1,142 people in Lebanon. They included 122 children, 83 women and 42 medical personnel. The health ministry does not otherwise distinguish between civilians and combatants.
aelgorn@reddit
All your questions are answered in the links.
splader@reddit
I'm sorry, but you're linking the 2020 explosion to Hezbollah because the IDF said so?
Is that where you're getting the whole "50% civilian casualty" rate too?
Pathetic.
aelgorn@reddit
lol
splader@reddit
By this metric Israel was "coordinating" with the people of Gaza.
kipperlenko@reddit
You have a Lebanon flair but I'm guessing you don't actually live there. You're probably enjoying western freedom whilst making simplistic criticism of your grandparents country.
aelgorn@reddit
I've lived there most my life and only recently gotten out because I won't be made a "martyr" for the self destruction of the Hezb
splader@reddit
Can you go message that to the mothers and fathers who dug out the corpses of their children from rubble?
aelgorn@reddit
If i knew them, I'd offer my condolences and tell them I'm sorry the hezb was near them. And if they are supporters of the Hezb, I'd tell them I'm sorry they were not taken in the strike as well.
splader@reddit
Look
aelgorn@reddit
Just because Hezbollah didn’t attack back due to their utter uselessness doesn’t mean Hezbollah didn’t start the war and didn’t agree to stop it.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit (OP)
The others deserve exile? Good to know.
eliedacc@reddit
They dont care about spinning it anymore, they can plain out admit to killing people for fun and no one's gonna oppose them
ycnz@reddit
Don't forget openly endorsing raping people for fun.
wq1119@reddit
Reminds me of a guy who always shows up on subreddits to spam "lose less wars" and "go cry to the UN", because might makes right it seems.
nudelsalat3000@reddit
Nothing happens anyway.
Imaging if the world would debank Israel like they did with Russia: All assets frozen and companies are not allowed to make trades.
But they have jesters license.
Guaire1@reddit
I have seen a few times claims that all shiites are an existential threat to israrl anf thus their destruction is justified
historicusXIII@reddit
"All the Shiites are member of Hamazbollah"
proceeds to bomb Sunnis and Christians as well
Stubbs94@reddit
Thankfully there's no historical comparison to this viewing of an entire religious group as an existential threat that needs to be eradicated...
Crouteauxpommes@reddit
Don't worry, after that they will explain they need to expand the occupation all the way to Tripoli because the Lebanese state is a failed one unable to silence opposition to their military actions. Then the Syrian government will be described as unable to secure the Latakia area and that the IDF need to go there to stop insurgents from having a rear base. And maybe afterwards they'll try to force the Turks into giving them a "security zone" that includes Antakya and demilitarize their size of the new border.
Damaniel2@reddit
Nah, it's probably going to be the standard 'every man, woman and child in the Middle East (other than us, of course) is a terrorist and is therefore a legitimate target' justification.
AzracTheFirst@reddit
I mean you read their official excuse it in the article. They claim Hezbollah has built underground tunnels that connect these homes. Of course you are never going to see evidence of these tunnels. Trust me bro. They were military targets and so on. And as the other comments below me say, once they excuses run out, they will just admit it, cause no one cares unfortunately. No one holds them accountable.
iNuminex@reddit
Isreal is single handedly keeping the hollow earth conspiracy alive with how many tunnels they claim to be existing under Palestine and Lebanon.
ChillAhriman@reddit
We gotta destroy this whole apartments block because we found a room that had the Mein Kampf in it. Look, have a photo.
What do you mean the lower side of the cover is in English? How dare you ask me if we planted it there to take the photo!? Are you antisemitic!?
pmckizzle@reddit
Permanently banned for world news for saying this is a zionist expansion campaign.
wq1119@reddit
Not even worldnews is defending this.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit (OP)
worldnews seems to have killed the article, if one was even posted. It’s not worth doing, generally. They’re all too busy justifying why it’s ok to bomb synagogues and schools.
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
They half heartedly repeat the same lies they used in Gaza about tunnels and ambulances being used by 'terrorists' even though they know no one believes it anymore
OWOfreddyisreadyOWO@reddit
"Collateral damage needed to destroy Hezbollah"
faultydesign@reddit
Same as with those paramedics they murdered in Gaza they will just stop talking about it and the world will forget
Naurgul@reddit
The latest I've seen is "we reserve the right to be genocidal maniacs and completely destroy everything in our path because the other side is threatening our safety and mere existence".
ChosenArabian@reddit
Thing about Hezbollah, they do think god is on their side. So, no matter the destruction, they will never understand that fucking with Israel, a bunch of maniacs, is a losing game always.
LineOfInquiry@reddit
And famously no other government or military force ever thought god was on their side /s
ChosenArabian@reddit
They are called Hezbollah, educated american. Meaning Party of God.
LineOfInquiry@reddit
Yee, and Israel is literally named after a prophet of El. It’s like if a country was named “Muhammad”
ChosenArabian@reddit
Huh? What the fuck are you talking about?
LineOfInquiry@reddit
…have you not read the Bible? Israel is the name bestowed upon Jacob after he wrestles with El/Yahweh (which is what his name literally means). Later on in the narrative the descendents of him come to be known as “Israel” and even later the first state of Israel is named after them.
Of course in real life the people/state came first, and the myth of Jacob was created to explain their origin. But this state was still a theocratic monarchy and fell around 700BC to the Assyrians. 2600 years later the modern state of Israel was named after that state intentionally to claim continuity with it and the idea that Yahweh has returned the state to existence after all this time. The state claims the land it does because the Bible claims David controlled that land at one point thanks to god. It’s intimately connected to religion.
And of course I’m sure you know how the US leadership are convinced they’re chosen by god and bringing about the ends times.
ChosenArabian@reddit
Uh... I know all this. I just have no idea why you brought it up...
LineOfInquiry@reddit
Because Israel and the US are even more insane and religious than Hezbollah, so it’s weird to point that out as why they’re worse.
ChosenArabian@reddit
Trust me, Hezbollah are much more religious zealots. Anyway, I didn't mention it to say they're worse. I mentioned it to make my point; they think they can't lose because god is supposedly on their side.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit (OP)
You’re failing to get the point. Some Israelis think their state is backed by god and that god has given them a mandate to conquer all the land, and keep on conquering.
ChosenArabian@reddit
I know that. But my initial comment was just targeted toward Hezbollah.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit (OP)
Why is one religious extremist ok and another not? You realise they hate Christians far more than they hate Muslims, right?
ChosenArabian@reddit
I fail to understand what you're pointing at. I don't disagree with you, but this is irrelevant to speak of in light of my initial comment.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit (OP)
You hate Hezbollah and you don’t mind the IDF, but they are both religious extremists.
ChosenArabian@reddit
I do mind them. Both are fucked. However, irrelevant.
Blarg_III@reddit
Hezbollah only exists because Israel tried to invade southern Lebanon.
ChosenArabian@reddit
Don't come to me teaching me about my own country. It has long since gone beyond that purpose into a state within a state, terroristic toward Lebanese, traitorous, starting useless wars. Israel didn't invade unprovoked this decade.
mahdijouni98@reddit
The only thing useless is this government. When it became clear they were going to sell the country to Israel, Hezbollah was forced to become a state within a state. If just a small group like Hezbollah can do so much damage while being pressured so much by everyone in this stupid country, imagine what would be possible with a government that actually helps its people resist occupation.
Lie all you want and blame them all you want, history is very clear. Hezbollah was forced to exist so the Islamic Resistance can have the support it needs to fend off those maniacs you wanna suck off so bad. The world doesn't give a shit about you, they just wanna use you idiots for Israel.
Yes Hezbollah has corruption but it's not as bad as people make it out to be. At the end of the day, if not for them, you'd probably be getting raped by IDF soldiers while their dogs bite you like is happening in Gaza.
But I guess propaganda bots will keep pretending everything would be fine without Hezbollah, must be easy blaming just one group for all the problems.
ChosenArabian@reddit
Keep bringing about the reason they exist, like it's not 2026 and they keep entering us into wars in support of others. Keep using this hypothetical occupation that would have surely existed without them.
What's your point? Why not talk about what they are now? They're useless.
mahdijouni98@reddit
Useless? Lmfao you're have to be joking. Who's the one being useful then if we're still alive ranting here then instead of being in a state like Gaza? EU? US? UN? The government? They've been extremely useful haven't they?
Israel existed before them, they exist because of Israel. Is that so complicated? The reason they exist is not gone. Israel still flaunts their greater Israel project nonstop from before the wars.
The Syria war? Syrian terrorists brought it here, blew up people, a classmate of mine died in one of their attacks in Dahye.
October 2023? Yes they attacked to help Gazans because we all know the world wasn't gonna help them even if the genocide was so obvious, but the Islamic Resistance only attacked inside Lebanon, because news flash buddy, Israel was inside Lebanon, they were making military points and IR attacked those points inside to liberate Lebanon. Israel was breaking another agreement by keeping points inside Lebanon and your useful people didn't do shit about it. Israel brought the war inside, Hezbollah avoided hitting inside Palestine until they were forced.
2026? You think Iran needed help? Unlike your government they can defend themselves. Southern Lebanon was still getting daily strikes nonstop since the 2024 ceasefire agreement. Can you handle that? A year and 3 months getting airstrikes nonstop all around you? Hezbollah gave the world and the government enough time and they did nothing. Also Israel themselves admitted they were going to start attacking Lebanon even if Hezbollah hadn't started.
Stop being ignorant please you're embarrassing our nation.
ChosenArabian@reddit
They're useless, yes. I will not talk about the far away past because we're in 2026.
Israel is already in Bint Jbeil. Hezbollah proved to only be strong against other Lebanese. Assassinations, threats, occupying Beirut on May 7 because of government trying to enforce its policies.
Again, Israel has no qualms about being genocidal. So provoking them in 2023 for Gaza, when the majority of Lebanese didn't want to fight others' war, eventually lead to them losing to Israel very hard in 2024.
In 2026, yes Hezbollah entered in support of Iran. They wanted to avenge Khamenie, the Iranian. Even his son Mojtaba thanked Hezbollah for supporting them. There goes your point about Iran not needing its dogs to fight their fight.
So now, what's the use of these thugs? resistance? Israel is inside on the ground. Massacres from the air.
The only real use is for Iran. Take some heat off Iran. Taking one for the team. Dying a useless death in the process.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit (OP)
Israel has no qualms about being genocidal or expansionistic. Lebanon existing is provocation enough for Israel to attack.
ChosenArabian@reddit
Way to deflect.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit (OP)
It’s not a deflection, it’s a statement of fact. Israel was coming for you regardless of what Hezbollah did or didn’t do. It was going to murder people, sow discord and murder children. You may think it’s all because of Hezbollah, but if that’s the case why do so many Israelis say that South Lebanon rightfully belongs to Israel? Everyone from Ben Gurion down said it.
ChosenArabian@reddit
I don't think the general Israeli consensus is that Lebanon belongs to Israel.
Anyway, Israel just a couple days ago committed a 10 minute massacre along the whole country, under the guise of Hezbollah being the targets. I know their MO.
However, what of Jordan and Egypt? Why doesn't Israel attack those? They made peace with them. Also, they largely don't attack Christian areas in Lebanon. There are Christian border towns that are still inhabited.
Hezbollah is our main issue these days. They pose a threat to Israel. Israel has no issue with silencing threats, even if it meant being genocidal.
aelgorn@reddit
> if not for them, you'd probably be getting raped by IDF soldiers while their dogs bite you like is happening in Gaza.
Instead, it's Hezbollah doing it to us. You don't want peace, you just want dominance.
historicusXIII@reddit
Hezbollah keeps Israel somewhat at bay. Without them the entirety of Lebanon would be like the West Bank.
ChosenArabian@reddit
In modern days, that is not true. If Israel wanted the south to be like the West Bank, that can be achieved now. Hezbollah is a useless "resistance" force.
Treinrukker@reddit
You seem to not even know your own countries history and why hezbollah was created.
ChosenArabian@reddit
Why Hezbollah was created is completely irrelevant to its modern version: useless, traiterous, terroristic.
Treinrukker@reddit
Ahahah you are a traitor to your country
historicusXIII@reddit
I bet he's not even Lebanese.
_Solinvictus@reddit
Being anti-hezb as a Lebanese is not treason, it's loving your country and wanting it to be free, both from Iranian influence and the Israelis
If anything, Hezbollah supporters are the traitors. They don't fight to protect Lebanon, they fight to further Iranian interests
mahdijouni98@reddit
And you think without Hezbollah the country can do anything? They would have sold the country long ago.
Hezbollah benefits from Iran and yes Iran benefits from the resistance to Israel, but if Hezbollah hadn't started this war, Israel had planned to attack Lebanon anyways. Don't make up your own reasons. Did Iran look like it even needed help? Lol
They admitted it multiple times. When was Iran ever hostile to Lebanon? You can't even compare a state like Israel with an infinite count of war crimes to its name and a country like Iran just trying to defend itself and support resistance groups.
If the country won't fuckin do shit then why is Iran the bad guy when at least they're trying? Say they win, are they gonna invade Lebanon? Steal it? Kick non-shia people from it? What are those Iranian interests? Iran has a pretty wide variety of people in it other than shia.
_Solinvictus@reddit
What's Hezbollah doing to protect Lebanon now? If "protection" means provoking Israel then running to hide in a corner while the country gets carpet bombed, then fuck off, we don't need this protection.
Hezbollah can't stop Israel, that much is very clear. All they're good for is putting a bullseye on Lebanon. Israel may have already had the gun pointed at Lebanon, but Hezbollah's the one pulling the trigger to justify its own existence
ChosenArabian@reddit
It's rich to be a foreigner teaching a native about their own country. The stupidity.
Treinrukker@reddit
You don't even know what my background or ethnicity is lol, I'm much more involved and read up in these kind of things than you think. These struggles are universal.
ChosenArabian@reddit
Huh? I don't give a fuck. Do you even live here? Have you been forced outside of your home? Are you patriotic to my country?
Treinrukker@reddit
Maybe do some research on the history of israeli invasion of your own country and why they will never stop. And yes family members of mine have lost their houses in similar ways. Like I said you don't know anything about me, you just see a Netherlands tag and mighy think I'm a white dumb privileged westener.
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
If it weren't for the existence of an externally supported military group aimed at defending southern Lebanon what do you think it would look like today?
Someone mentioned this idea to me the other day, what would be stopping those parts of Lebanon becoming de facto Israeli territory under West Bank style occupation? The international community and the Lebanese government have already shown they wouldn't do anything to stop this from happening
ChosenArabian@reddit
I'm so tired of people bringing history into the mix. Hezbollah is not just a force to resist Israel anymore. It actively starts wars to defend Iran and Gaza, it has its own institutions on all fronts, a state within a state status, political presence. Threatens the public, the government. Does not even respect the government's decision to outlaw them.
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
Yes and what has necessitated that forming? The Lebanese government has historically collaborated with those looking to occupy and oppress its own citizens.
brrrbrrragaga@reddit
I remember when we bombed Serbia for things like this. And I still stand behind that reasoning.
Now we can't even get a strongly worded statement from anybody with any clout. What disappointing times.
PurpleMclaren@reddit
Yugoslavia* Yugoslavia wasnt just Serbia.
UN concluded that no genocide was being commited, therefore it was an illegal bombing campaign.
brrrbrrragaga@reddit
You are of course correct on my misnaming, my apologies.
PurpleMclaren@reddit
No worries, Im just always compelled to correct it since Titos Yugoslavia is the only reason Macedonia exists.
Protect-Their-Smiles@reddit
They are invading Lebanon, and taking the land. This is not about safety or fighting Hezbollah, that is just the excuse. Lebanon is included in the maps of Greater Israel, so is parts of Syria, Jordan and Iraq. Turkey will also be in trouble, as you can be certain that Israel will not tolerate neighbors with a military that could be a threat. I suspect making America dislodge itself from Europe is part of that long term plan, making it easier to go to war with Turkey - and thus Europe in the future.
America will be used as a blunt instrument to achieve their strategic goals, because they own the political system and have shown firm will to use American lives and money to reach their aims. Israeli-American dual citizens who are billionaires / multi-millionaires is the growing class in the US, and they seem to be donating to AIPAC and Israel (using both their own money, and taxpayer money).
When you follow the religious Right-Wing in Israel, they repeatedly say that ''Rome is our enemy'', which I take to not only mean Italy, but Western civilization as a whole. They are tearing up the Middle-East, flooding Europe with the refugees - using the presence of Muslims in Europe as an excuse to hate the EU as an anti-Christian, anti-White institution. They are draining the US of a future, by making the world hate them - and impoverishing them by draining money from the people / government, and using it to enrich themselves and Israel.
Is it not obvious where this all leads?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit (OP)
Progressives are showing awareness and starting to veer the party away from support for genocide. Republicans are embracing antisemitism and abandoning support for Israel. I don’t think Israel will have wall to wall support in 2 years’ time.
Protect-Their-Smiles@reddit
I think you're right, and hope for this tragedy to end. My fear is that this will make them more desperate, and thus reckless with human life before the end - they do have nuclear weapons, and that keeps me up at night. But at the same time, this building push-back also speeds up the end of their empire-project.
Kitchen_Letter8775@reddit
I’m sure they’re gonna somehow blame it on HAMAS and Oct 7.
What is infuriating to me is that Israel’s actions have always been vile for decades, but they were covered by liberal propaganda. Only now the US admin has gotten so dumb and the Europeans are so busy with Ukraine that they no longer can do the cover up efficiently.
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