anon lightyear | TheaterFire

Yeah tbh i hate them both but they both had a run and only one of them had started like 4 wars in one year. So they're still not quite equal in the eyes of most people.

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

So is any straight couple in movies also propaganda or are you just using "propaganda" as a stand-in for "representation for something i don't like"?

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Straight couples in media is called bandwagoning?

Why does everything have to be something to you guys? Can't a couple in a show just be a couple in a show?

If everyone was suddenly gay from one season go another or they only had one gay couple that everyone else hated then yeah, it'd be propeganda. But a certain type of character being present is just that, a character, they're supposed to be different that's why we have multiple per show.

Something being related to politics doesn't make it propeganda by default.

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kuro41@reddit

It's bandwagoning because they are putting themes in children's shows that parents may not want their children to see because they know many parents will think "kids show/movie = safe to let my kids watch". Now parents have to screen "kids" content since so many things are being put into them.

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Bandwagonging is when someone starts doing something just because it is popular. Either you're mixing up terms or implying kids would become gay due to bandwagonging because being gay is obv so popular.

But this has always been the case, if you are abnormally sensitive to certain subjects and are worried about your kid seeing those things, then you need to screen kids' shows.

It's just that less and less people are homphobic so now homophobes find themselves on the "weird" side of the divide where they feel it's necessary to censor themes that most people would consider fine and even important for development.

This issue is easily fixed by acknowledging that sexual preference can't really be taught. A kid might be more open to experimenting because tv told them that's fine but if they're not actually gay they'll figure that out soon enough.

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FlockOfSnowbirds@reddit

No, because that's how the human species propagates.

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Yeah but we have enough people. Humans aren't going "i must continue my bloodline" like wild animals are.

Choice of partner is just that, a choice, not an evolutionary pressure.

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Gamer_chaddster_69@reddit

You don't believe evolution or just don't understand it? Absolutely clueless

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

We as modern humans have completely lost the influence from our evolutionary pressures.

People fuck for fun unless they're strictly religious or something, in which case being gay was off the table anyways.

Evolution has nothing to do with who humans choose to be in relationships with. Fuck it, i think even gay people can have kids with both their genes these days.

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Strobetrode@reddit

We are still evolving! In the next 10 thousand years or something I think we will all have 6 lingered hands. It's a dominant trait.

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

I'm not sure. Darker hair colours are also dominant but haven't even gotten more common and ginger hair is recessive but also hasn't gone extinct yet.

I believe for things like that to genuinely evolve into a permanent common trait it'd have to make a difference in chance of reproduction or survival. So unless people start finding 6 fingers incredibly sexy i think it'll just remain a random occasional mutation.

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Strobetrode@reddit

No it's literally happening there are like 10× more polydactyl people now that like 50 years ago or something. I dont have the number infront of me but it isn't a random mutation it's a dominant trait that popped up and has been spreading. Glove manufacturers have to start preparing.

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Woah that's interesting! I didn't know it was becoming more common that fast.

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Gamer_chaddster_69@reddit

Evolution is responsible for everything seperating us from single-celled organisms

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Yes?

I know we got where we are due to evolution. We've passed that now.

People living in mudhuts in africa might actually still experience something of the sorts but anyone living in a first world country is going fucking nowhere from an evolutionary standpoint.

We no longer live or die based on our genetic ability. Someone with a handicap and half a brain is almost just as likely to procreate as a fully healthy individual. There is no unified "direction" for evolution to push us towards anymore since we don't die or fuck due to natural causes anymore.

Honestly after writing this I'm beginning to doubt if you know how evolution actually happens.

For evolution to happen a species needs to be subjected to consistent environmental pressures, this way certain mutations will increase likelyhood of survivial while others hinder it. What we have is more like random mutations without any of the impact on our survivability.

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Gamer_chaddster_69@reddit

There is conventionally smaller pressure on natural selection now than other periods in history, this doesn't mean our behaviours aren't caused by adaptations of these earlier periods and that we ascended above them or something-

Also we have a decently high pressure on natural selection right now, many people are going child-free, this means their genetics will be weeded out.

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

this doesn't mean our behaviours aren't caused by adaptations of these earlier periods and that we ascended above them or something-

This is mostly true but does that mean we need to restrict ourselves to make sure we only stick to our old behaviours? Should people reject being gay just because centuries ago that wouldn't have ensured the continuation of their genes?

Also we have a decently high pressure on natural selection right now, many people are going child-free, this means their genetics will be weeded out.

Yes this is true. The predominant demographic going childless however are highly educated and financially successful in first world countries. That means that were essentially doing the opposite of what our natural evolutionary pressures would've steered us to.

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Gamer_chaddster_69@reddit

Because homosexuality can be destructive

No clue what point you tried making in the second paragraph

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Destructive of what?

That was kind of my point of my second paragraph, to point out that this idea that evolution is steering us towards being a "better" species is very dated. The fact that higher educated more well off people aren't procreating means, if anything, our species is only "evolving backwards".

People being gay has absolutely no impact on anything except for your fragile emotions.

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Gamer_chaddster_69@reddit

Destructive of what

Culture and well-being

That was kind of my point of my second paragraph, to point out that this idea that evolution is steering us towards being a "better" species is very dated. The fact that higher educated more well off people aren't procreating means, if anything, our species is only "evolving backwards

Sure, people may get worse at fulfilling your standards for being "better" as a result of modern evolutionary pressures, still don't get the point you're trying to make or why it's relevant.

People being gay has absolutely no impact on anything except for your fragile emotions

Sigh

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Culture and well-being

How? Isn't people being with who they want to be with good for well-being? And what good is culture if it's just a synonym for "how it used to be". Culture is fluid and changes with time, that'll probably also mean becoming a bit more gay.

your standards for being "better" as a result of modern evolutionary pressures

Being higher educated just generally means a higher IQ and better cognitive functions. Those traits are as close as a "goal" in our evolution as we can really get i think.

My point is that hating gay people because it goes against evolution is ridiculous since we're already entirely disconnected from what our evolution would have been.

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Gamer_chaddster_69@reddit

You're assuming many of my opinions very wrongfully, bad culture depends on what I feel a good culture should be.

People don't know what makes them the happiest, they can be made to identify with things that don't make them happy via socialization.

And I don't know who ever in this thread said anything about hating gay people since it goes against evolution.

You honestly give the impression of someone who isn't very smart, which is fine.

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

You're assuming many of my opinions very wrongfully, bad culture depends on what I feel a good culture should be.

Holy shit you are satirical. Good culture is something that most people in a country can identify with, good culture is diverse and connects people. Good culture does not just mean what you personally think culture should be. If everyone thought that way we would have no culture at all.

People don't know what makes them the happiest, they can be made to identify with things that don't make them happy via socialization.

Yes like the idea that gay people are a threat to your personal way of life to the point that you wind up online getting mad at a fictional couple in a kids movie.

You have been propegandised man.

And well this one dude made the point about propegation of species. I said we as humans had passed that. Then you asked about me not understanding evolution which confused me and we both went on a tangent from there. You can scroll up and see how we got here, it's all written out.

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bannabananabanna@reddit

when 4% is represented 90% its clearly artificial misrepresentation.

like an all white basketball team or vanilla ice.

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

like an all white basketball team or vanilla ice.

This sentence is genuinely hysterical and i don't mean that as a critique in any way.

But yeah that's true. However, for the past decades gay people have had next to no representation at all, so there's some catching up to be done.

Also representation means more to people who aren't part of the majority. No one is looking to media to feel validation for being straight.

Quite a lot of white rappers really look up to eminem for being one of the few good early white rappers and cite him as a big inspiration. Is that not a good thing?

People don't really look up to vanilla ice cause his songs weren't all that.

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bannabananabanna@reddit

fair point...

I think the main issue is displacement.

I you were born in 2010, and a boy and straight and (gasp) white what heroes do you have?

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Most. All the avengers are straight, mostly white and homelander is straight(right?). The old characters still exist.

Your feeling of being "erased" is totally understandable but if you step back and look at the whole picture we straight white men still dominate most of media.

Even in this one movie there's probably a handful of couples being affectionate yet I've only ever seen this single gay couple. It's also a case of exposure, no one is making angry posts about straight couples.

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mjnitro@reddit

Homelander isn’t a hero. He’s the bad guy

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

I was always one of those kids who thought bad guys were cooler tbh. Way sicker lairs.

But my point stands, we'll replace homelander with, idk, jack reacher.

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LukeJaywalker0@reddit

No because straight people are normal. Showing kids gay vs straight relationships is like showing a teenager blowjob vs scat porn. The former was always going to happen. The latter is your sick degenerate fstish.

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EroGG@reddit

Look they even provided an example.

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Says the echochamber stereotype who doesn't even know how to form a substantiated reply by himself.

Like cmon bro, if you really believe something at least try to be convincing

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Ok_Wait_778@reddit

450k karma jfc

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ThisConsideration835@reddit

Look at his fucking profile picture

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Lmao yeah I've been on here for years and like to meddle, most subs aren't as easily offended than this place so it builds up.

Also still not a single person trying to make a point. Like propaganda in kids movies is totally real but if gay couples are gay propaganda then straight couples are straight propaganda right? It's not that crazy.

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Gamer_chaddster_69@reddit

"if gay couples are gay propaganda then straight couples are straight propaganda right? It's not that crazy"

Yes, got any other genius observations to make? The difference is what we want to convey

You're so unaware you probably can't tell left from right if you think the rest of reddit is filled with people who are not easily offended, being easily offended is the fuel that drives reddit, as in cult mentality.

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Yes, got any other genius observations to make? The difference is what we want to convey

"Propaganda is good as long as I agree with what they're trying to convince people of"

Come on man at least try to hide the bias. This is almost satirical.

being easily offended is the fuel that drives reddit, as in cult mentality.

This depends entirely on how stupid your takes tend to be. You see, i don't go around getting mad at propaganda and then defending different propaganda in the same thread for example.

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Gamer_chaddster_69@reddit

You can't make media without propaganda, as r*dditors like to say "everything is political"

You're mentally underdeveloped

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Holy shit we've come full circle. The word propaganda has lost meaning to you.

If everything has propaganda by default then what would be the point in having the word?

It's quite easy to make media that has balanced standpoints and doesn't work as propaganda for any side.

For example i don't think gay people in media are propaganda, just like how i don't think straight people in media are propaganda.

Propaganda is NOT the same as representation. Just having something in a show doesn't mean it's propaganda for that thing.

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EroGG@reddit

"If black Snape is black propaganda, then white Snape is white propaganda right?"

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Can't believe they turned the straight couple from the old lightyear books woke.

No but unironically not the same. I also don't support forcefully diversifying existing casts. This was a new story though, they can put whoever they want in that.

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Tony_Roiland@reddit

I've never read the Lightyear book but I have to assume the couple in it were straight and white.

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47KiNG47@reddit

Even his pfp has a fedora

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Hawt_Dawg_II@reddit

Hey put some respect on the name. I made this when i was 15 with the custom pfp maker thing you got with old style gold.

You can't get these anymore I'm waiting for resale to go up lmao

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Killerkendolls@reddit

SWJing ain't easy.

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TukTukThomas@reddit

Lots of redditors coming into this sub to argue this isn't propaganda.

The thing is a company's primary goal is to make money. By putting shit like this into their movies that they know the majority of people aren't going to like, they are sacrificing profits to send a message.

That's what clearly makes this propaganda to me.

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Darly-Mercaves@reddit

The thing is, the "majority" of people dont actually hate gays, most people are neutral. They include it to get more interactions on their posts. They dont care if it is positive or negative as long as people talk about it and furthers the reach of the movie. Just like coca cola doesn't actually care when pepsi makes an ad shitting on them, they are like "nice free advertising!"

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Papastoo@reddit

Yes

Gay couple is propaganda

What other just existing things are propaganda?

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Jamelanho@reddit

Women and blacks

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AcrobaticKitten@reddit

And then one day, for no reason at all...

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noryu@reddit

I know stepping into this sub to argue anything with a level head is pointless.. so I'll go in guns blazing instead.

So much hate for the "woke" media, meanwhile the United States and many other countries are aligning in a global conservativism and using religion and anti-woke as a unifier and slaughterhouse.. I will live in peace of mind as I die in the thermonuclear Holocaust where the wealthy hide in bunkers for the next hundred years..

As all of you completely insane idiots bicker and slur, every ounce of pressure your slowly splintering and cracking gaming chairs are taking from your Little Debbie's and Diet Pepsi filled asses is analogous to the weight big tech, big pharm, military industry, and at this point I'll just call it big rape is putting on free will and any kind of democracy.

Go try masterbating to some vanilla porn, ditch the snuff porn, the CP, and Melania..

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Trick-Caramel-6156@reddit

The movie sucked becouse it mischarecterize buzz, the plot was messy, they where stuck in one specific plant huge chunk of the movie, the plot twist sucked and was out of charecter for buzz never-ending the socks who was there just to print money. Funny enough they removed the lesbian kissing part in China and Saudi Arabia and its kinda funny but sad seeing Disney erasing those scenes for thos countries like why include them in the first place if you just going to erase them.

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Swimming_Register_32@reddit

Performative gayslop only works when the woman couple are conventionally attractive women. Why do you think it was so marketable in the 90s.

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Onyxxx_13@reddit

If you're going to have women kissing, it better not look like one of them is the zookeeper, the other the exhibit.

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Lazzyrus@reddit

Finally, a reasonable take on why no movie sucks instead of just “le woke”

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morgentrona@reddit

i like that we're in the post-woke era. i tried to tell all the wokies i knew that this would happen.. that they were being used by the global elite to destabilize the people. through wokeism and through immigration.. and of course the economy and all of our franchises in ruin.. that the woke would be discarded and be cemented as a permanent laughing stock in history.

now that the common man is various shades of anti-woke, we will start to get some good movies, shows, games etc. some of which are already beginning to surface.

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DreamsServedSoft@reddit

I sorely hope you’re right my friend

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bannabananabanna@reddit

I cant imagine the level of self hatred they feel when they ask "what is woke? Thats just a far right label" denying they ever used it as the label that defined them!

Soon itll be "queer" theyll say "queer is just a far right label"

Hopefully theyll all get their surgeries before that happens and get to wear their slits and appendages like scarlet letters

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Movie based on a Ranger but in space who is supposed to go on fun adventures. stuck on literally one planet the whole movie

WHAT

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