First person POV of a Runaway truck using the downhill emergency brake ramp at 90 mph.. keeps it upright
Posted by NoArt4586@reddit | Truckers | View on Reddit | 219 comments
Vanstrucker2222@reddit
How does this happen? Brakes get overheated and give out?
Nero-Danteson@reddit
Yep. It's usually improper braking technique. 80k lbs on a 7+% decline for a few miles and gravity really wants that at the lowest point fast. A light steady pressure on the brakes to get you at or 5 below posted speed limit slowly then release to allow the brakes to cool off some before restarting the process. (Essentially controlled coasting). Steering wheel holders want to 'stab' brake, get to a lower speed quickly, get spooked because they got to faster speed quickly then stab the brake again to slow back down fast (they're applying full braking power).
Every so often it is an actual equipment failure though.
AaronTuplin@reddit
Back in the day we were taught to stab break for steep downhills. But I have to wonder if modern ABS brakes have turned that into old timey advice
xenodine@reddit
It’s still true, depending on the breaks and situation. Clear/dry? Stab break away. Vented disks on ice? Threshold break and ride away. How you break is far less important than flying down the hill like a total moron. Being in the right gear and speed for the load and your motor makes more of a difference.
Correct_Writer_3410@reddit
ABS is designed to keep the wheels from locking not the brakes from overheating, so afaik it would have no effect and stab braking is still a good idea (when you have to use service brakes, of course jakes/downshifting as much as possible for the conditions and speed are preferred)
Aggravating-Ideal-56@reddit
You should be in a lower gear before ever going down a hill. Telling someone to down shift is horrible advice this is why trucks run away as well cuz people can’t get the truck slowed down enough to get it back into gear before they burn up their brakes.
Correct_Writer_3410@reddit
Yeah I meant downshifting before the grade
spreadlove5683@reddit
I don't think it's about anti-lock brakes.. people used to stab brake so they wouldn't lock their brakes up, but now it's done to prevent overheating instead.
Voxicles@reddit
“I know this hill, it’s fine… Crap, came in too hot trying to pass that RV… Stab stab stab, hopefully engine brake takes over, not quite yet, stab stab there were go, engine brake doing its job finally!”
UhOhAllWillyNilly@reddit
If you’re using your service brakes to control your downhill speed then you are doing it wrong.
ignoreme010101@reddit
Jakes are not precise enough to maintain optimal speed, the idea that it is "wrong" to use service brakes downhill is absurd
UhOhAllWillyNilly@reddit
Proper gear selection is paramount. If you’re in the right gear they work perfectly. The mistake people make is cresting the hill and then going right to top gear. Then it’s “Whoa Nellie!” and stomp ‘em & smoke ‘em (the brakes, that is).
NostradamusJones@reddit
Nope. I was trained to do precisely that with trucks with no jakes, 80,000 lbs on grades like Cabbage.
You can absolutely use your service brakes, you just can't use them too much.
corn0099@reddit
why dont they use the engine brake?
UhOhAllWillyNilly@reddit
Usually because a misinformed trainer told them not to.
Exact-Leadership-521@reddit
"light steady pressure" is wrong. You want a solid full application and get off the brakes
Independent_Leg7358@reddit
The other reason why you want multiple applications is if you do get the drums hot enough to expand away, you want those automatic slack adjusters to ratchet back and give you more brake travel on the next application. The adjusters can't ratchet and trip if you don't apply multiple times.
Exact-Leadership-521@reddit
I've felt them get hot and quit working as good and tried pressing harder but they just weren't doing anything, then let up and pressed down and they held for a few seconds before losing holdback again, but by then I was slowed down and in a lower gear
Independent_Leg7358@reddit
I have a trailer with manual adjusters. It's amazing how much adjustment it takes to move so little.
Exact-Leadership-521@reddit
When I started I had manual slacks on the trailer and after maybe 3 months it got a service and they told me all the brakes were backed right off and not even functional and i said "yeah, I learned to use the Jakes recently and haven't been using the brakes"
Independent_Leg7358@reddit
I find my brakes are good for about 6-8 weeks between adjustments. So I adjust every 4 weeks.
LoopDoGG79@reddit
Also be sure to use your engine brake, full power when fully loaded. Was talking to a newbie and he said he never uses it, thinks it's bad for the engine! I told him it's designed to run the engine brake. I highly recommend to use it when going downhill to prevent overheating his breaks and basically losing his breaks
OSRSgamerkid@reddit
Yeah, "light steady pressure" is what causes something like this.
RequirementLeading12@reddit
Stab braking.
Enlightend-1@reddit
Light steady application over a slow period of time is wrong. When hauling anything down a grade even if it's only 10k pounds puts enormous amounts of force on brakes.
Huge amounts of force equal huge amounts of friction.
The proper way to brake when going down hills is to "Stab brake" apply the brake forcefully in short bursts. This creates less friction but more stopping power as the brakes aren't in constant contact with the rim creating heat.
driver004@reddit
What kind of failure?
blackfarms@reddit
Two things are happening. The drums grow with the heat and shoes can't make contact and the shoes themselves are turning into glass from the heat and lose all their friction. Another thing that happens is the driver panics and tries to downshift an already over speeding engine and misses the shift.
Pancernywiatrak@reddit
I’m not a trucker.
Can’t you use the engine brake in this case?
OHW_Tentacool@reddit
If the truck is fully loaded the engine break cannot slow the truck down on a downhill without aid from the service breaks. (Unless you were already going very slow)
ilostoriginalaccount@reddit
Which you should be going very slow when fully loaded. A lot of guys nowadays forget you shouldn't be going down much faster than you went up; thats how you end up in bad situations.
lbodyslamrhinos@reddit
Good piece of advice, I was told "If my truck can only go 35 up that hill, it shouldn't go faster than 35 going down that hill"
Aido121@reddit
The vast majority of the time, am engine brake just kind of keeps you from accelerating faster, they aren't strong enough to outright stop a truck.
They are intended to be supplemental braking, not to stop the vehicle on their own.
ignoreme010101@reddit
well put
biotox1n@reddit
basically all the Jake does is open up your engine valves and let's your engine fight against itself with air pressure, so it doesn't do a great job at slowing you down compared to just preventing you from speeding up, but it still won't help you down hill with enough weight and gravity.
in this situation you're better off stab breaking 5 seconds on and 5 off before you fry your brakes holding them down assuming that's what happened here, just as likely it was a mechanical failure
foxhunter@reddit
If you are out of gear (the 2nd option here) there is no engine brakes.
We had a driver working with us on this same hill come over the top in the snow too fast, and he tried to cheat gears down by taking it out, revving the engine and putting it back in a lower gear to catch - and he missed.
This is a HUGE mistake. My guy intentionally jackknifed it in the middle when he got up to 45mph in the snow and his speed was starting to run away from him. Best outcome because there was no way he was making it to this ramp with no engine in the weather.
Aggravating-Ideal-56@reddit
You can use you Jake brake for assistance. Most Jake brakes won’t hold a loaded truck back enough. Mine will at 80k can hold me back almost all the way down I have to stab brake a few times maybe and not even very much. The problem is some guys don’t really know how to drive these trucks and just hold the brake down way too long and burn them up.
Huzul34@reddit
Riding the breaks for extended periods miles and miles I see it all the time and just shake my head
Aggravating-Ideal-56@reddit
The worst is when you see guys do it in flat land and cook their brakes lol. They usually hit their trolly and engage it without knowing it and just drive until they are cooked. I see it a lot guys trailer brakes are lit up and they are rolling 68mph lol idiots
Aggravating-Ideal-56@reddit
Simple answer is YES! Some guys don’t know how to go down hills properly. Use your engine break and stab break about every 10-15moh to slow down let go get back up to speed and do it again to keep your brakes cool. Some guys just hold them down and burn them up
Legitimate_Tip_9369@reddit
A lot of times the driver is in wrong gear as they start the down hill grade. Truck keeps speeding up and driver keeps hitting the brakes to slow down. Eventually the brakes get literally red hot, then catch fire and do not work as they almost are in a plasma state. Then truck is even going too fast to down shift in a lower gear.
NoArt4586@reddit (OP)
could be a component failure..
Summersong2262@reddit
Well yeah, but most likely the component between the steering wheel and chair, if I really had to guess.
NickAppleese@reddit
Good ol' PEBKAC, but steering wheel.
driver004@reddit
That would have to be a lot of failed components, you’d practically have to engineer it
Copie247@reddit
Drop a valve and your not fast enough on the foot brake can cause it to run away. Have seen it before
Frybread002@reddit
Realistically speaking, how much of these is preventable by seeing defects during a pre-trip?
driver004@reddit
Well to engineer a runaway rig due to component failure I’d start by caging the trailer so tug test fail there. I’d also I dunno fuck with slacks or air chambers, never sabotaged a rig before
sparrow_42@reddit
Got a friggin' muscle spasm in his back, air brakes shot to hell, nothin' he could do!
DellTheEngie@reddit
Boom right into the post offi5
Dead_Namer@reddit
American trucking refuses to come into the 21st century. They still use drum brakes, the drums get hot and expand, the pads then cannot reach the brakes. The driver misses a gear and we get this.
It's a solved problem in the rest of the world, use a retarder which works in and out of gear because it works directly on the driveshaft or use disc brakes.
TouchMyBoomstick@reddit
My truck W9 infact, does have disc brakes while my Jakes will also work when out of gear, though annoying if I improperly float and miss and suddenly loss all my revs.
Dead_Namer@reddit
How? Then engine is not connected to the wheels because it's in neutral. You would rev the engine and not got faster so how can the engine slow you down then? It's the same if you press the clutch. They might make a sound but won't slow you.
However because you have discs you never need to worry about it anyway. Whoever ordered that truck made a smart decision.
Copie247@reddit
You can still cook disc brakes, faster then drum infact. Disc is really good for weight saving (even with the new generation drums being quite light) and great for initial pedal feel and general responsiveness in normal brake applications.
Jake’s will work when your in angel gear, but won’t do anything outside of dropping your engine rpm back to neutral faster. Depending on how it’s programmed many super truckers Jake shift by having the throttle leash set super sensitive so they can shift faster.
Also not uncommon to see autos use it as well to shift faster
Dead_Namer@reddit
I know you can cook discs, generally you have to do something insane to do it though, like taking a family car on a racing circuit or drive mad in a truck.
A runaway truck would be headline news here.
tc6x6@reddit
Lots of American trucks, adn some trailers, have disc brakes nowadays.
Independent_Leg7358@reddit
Drivers go too fast. Brakes get too hot. Drums expand. Brake pads no long touch drums.
Overall_Reputation83@reddit
this ramp looks a lot less destructive than what I normally see, and easier to fix too.
Technical-Escape1102@reddit
It still accomplished the goal.
Overall_Reputation83@reddit
didn't intend to mean it in a bad way. Just seems like the aftermath is going to be cheaper to take care of.
Prestigious-Mood5522@reddit
Also looks like it’s easier to get the truck out of too
Technical-Escape1102@reddit
Ahhhh I got you! I was saying the same thing in my head while watching... that those ramps usually require a lot of work and money to reset after a truck has to use it. But I can definitely see how this caused way less damage to the ramp!
bjeep4x4@reddit
I think this is Floyd hill going into Denver, there isn’t an uphill to put the ramp on
Mytwatisfat@reddit
Thinking about leaving my Starbucks job and drive trucks
ursus-maritimus-062@reddit
Dude.. pay attention to your surroundings. Bare deciduous trees on Floyd Hill??
Top-Sheepherder-3657@reddit
It uses fentanyl to slow you down.
flojo2012@reddit
Shits cheap and it’s everywhere. Smart move by the DOT
Sea_Bluebird_1949@reddit
Modern problems require modern solutions.
Unlucky_Arm_9757@reddit
West Virginia. On interstate 64 heading from Beckley down the hill to Sandstone.
Kitchen_League8990@reddit
Lets just thank God hes ok that shit is scary
MoreRazzmatazz6615@reddit
The inside camera crap screaming the whole time "reduce speed, reduce speed, excessive speeding, harsh brake detected"
SuspectOk2931@reddit
I would by pooped my pants so hard there would have been a whole through my seat
BigD93klover@reddit
From the view of a four wheeler. FUCKING GREAT.
TheEvilBlight@reddit
The fight against deltaV
Dense-Competition75@reddit
1️⃣0️⃣
angryschmaltz@reddit
Thanks for sharing - I assume no sound as driver was shitting themselves?
Vast_Obligation8213@reddit
There is a reason there was probably a 35mph limit for his weight before the downhill started.
Acrobatic_Ocelot_461@reddit
Pay attention to road signs. Before we had engine brakes, I'd make sure I was slowed way down before I started the descent. Pulled doubles back and forth across I70 for years.
Acrobatic_Ocelot_461@reddit
That's what they're there for.
MRUNIKORN123@reddit
Be nice Now to see what Caused the driver to lose their brakes... Better 🙏🏼they say drvr error
MRUNIKORN123@reddit
NOT THAT IS.
treecutter34@reddit
So what now? Can he drive out or does he get towed? And how much of a mess will it be?
Jak_Nobody@reddit
I hope he was wearing his brown pants...
XGrimmcommandoX@reddit
Getting off of that can’t be cheap!
NoArt4586@reddit (OP)
that far up the ramp, probably $7k
Ancient-Read1648@reddit
Are ther actually any real truckers in here? lol
Vanstrucker2222@reddit
I’m just a steering wheel holder.
Ancient-Read1648@reddit
I am not one. Regarding holding the steering wheel. I guess first question, are you constantly micro-steering all damn day? Seems like every video I see of steering is 3 degrees to the left, 3 degrees to the right.
ScionSpy@reddit
Lmfao, Same!
Klavaxx@reddit
Duh!
Exact-Leadership-521@reddit
I want to be permanently blocked from this sub
Captain_Wag@reddit
Hi
Ok-Bar5260@reddit
This makes me very happy that even when my truck is at max weight, I can use my engine retarder to slow down from the downhill speed limits; until it is below the grab point for the next gear or two down. Call me overcautious, but I am usually going 5 mph below the truck speed limit on steep grades
HowlingWolven@reddit
Didn’t quite make it to the end to ring the bell. ⁷⁄₁₀.
Low-Persimmon4870@reddit
Omg how did u make that lil fraction it’s sooo cute lol
Mystery_Chaser@reddit
When your butt hole meets your kidneys? For 1000 Alex. This guy was a champ. Oh my God he is a champ.
Mechachrome@reddit
Clicked this and was like wow Sandstone Mtn! Been running up and down this for over a decade. The amount of Trucks the blow past the brake check area.
SkribbyCakes33@reddit
Exactly. That’s my question. Did they stop and check?
Specialist-Bee8060@reddit
I saw those in West Virginia and Virginia and saw how high up those went and I think I would ship my pants if I ended up on one of those runaway ramps
SkribbyCakes33@reddit
This is in WV for sure. And yes they do go up high! Let gravity do some of the work.
xXGreen45Xx@reddit
The first two on Fancy Gap are sketchy asf
SkribbyCakes33@reddit
The real question, did driver stop at the top of Sandstone Mountain and check their brakes?
RoamingNomadSoul@reddit
I know you lost your brakes but what happened?
driver004@reddit
Got the pads too hot most likely, semi trucks use air brakes so if a line pops you are stopping if you want to or not.
What you need to do is use a lower gear and love your Jake brake (engine brake, it’s why some trucks make (made?) that loud ass braaaaah noise, slows the truck down be being clever with exhaust without using the brake pads themselves).
Nero-Danteson@reddit
They still roar when the engine brake is used. There's a muffler though that makes it less noisy.
Basically they went from
BRRRRRR
To
^(BRRRRR)
EnvironmentalGift257@reddit
Grew up in small town Oklahoma. Every town had a big “No Jake braking” sign coming into town because they were so loud back in the eighties.
whitecollarpizzaman@reddit
I know it’s a common topic among truckers, but these signs are absolutely for the older muffled trucks, my truck probably has a stronger Jake than a lot of of the older rigs, yet doesn’t make any more noise than the engine during acceleration. A lot of the drivers with the unmuffled rigs use them when it’s completely unnecessary. I live near a car dealership, a lot of the haulers come in the middle of the night (I also haul cars, so no shade on haulers specifically) and they’ll often use their jake coming off the ramp from the highway, I get that, but then they’ll keep it on driving down the short trunk road to the car lot. They also often park along the entrance to my neighborhood and leave garbage in the ditch, but that’s another complaint for another time.
Arthur_Digby_Sellers@reddit
As a former driver, there is zero need to ever use exhaust brakes (the proper name for "Jake Brakes,) unless descending a multiple miles long grade with a heavy-ish loaded trailer.
Source: I have been over Wolf Creek Pass hundreds of times with no issues...
currentlyhigh@reddit
Non-trucker here: is Wolf Creek considered one of the biggest and baddest, if not THE biggest and baddest mountain pass in America for semi-truck drivers?
I did it in my pickup truck a couple times a few weeks ago and it occurred to me that doing it with 80,000 pounds would be oretty intense.
whitecollarpizzaman@reddit
I’m almost always running close to 80,000 unless I’m only carrying a couple cars or empty. It saves a lot of wear on the brakes, so I pretty much always run with it on, but with my truck it’s muffled, but if you have an unruffled truck it’s a case of being considerate rather than necessity.
SinumerikAuto_8676@reddit
You can fix their habit by throwing out caltrops diamond spikes where you dont want them parking.
angrydeuce@reddit
I live a few miles froma major interstate and believe me they're still pretty loud now at least to me. If they were way worse in the 80s I can't believe there werent sound barricades put up because between that and the RINNNNNN RINNNNNNNNNN of the crotch rockets in the summer its like the soundtrack of the season lmao
Th3_Gh0st_0f_Y0u@reddit
What you're hearing are the owner/ops with the 392 Pete's, straight pipes/ no muffler. Seat on the floor and a 9 foot shifter so they can clown on company drivers. Aka the super trucker.
Most company drivers have engine brake mufflers and automatics
ThrowAway509643@reddit
On my third gig I found out the shop can control which "manual" gears you have access to on their freightliners as well, because for some reason they'd had I think four through six locked out. I only discovered it northbound on the I-5 out of LA where I rolled the dice on being OP as a result. Thing was when I got back to the shop getting those gears unlocked was a shrug: they didn't know about downshifting on a hill or braking that way, and they also didn't know why those gears were locked out, so I got 'em. Made me wonder just how many people out there driving for that mega rely on the air brakes and take it for granted that they'll be chasing fifth downhill in an automatic.
Arthur_Digby_Sellers@reddit
They are usually loud because the micro-phallused love "straight pipes," aka no mufflers.
They can rattle windows and wake the dead...
SkewbieDewbie@reddit
I could hear this comment.
random_bruce@reddit
This was a great way to explain i chuckled.the trucking drive is straight piped to it's extra loud brrrrrrr
driver004@reddit
Yeah I don’t count the new ones as being anywhere near the glory of Jake back when he was capitalized
Nero-Danteson@reddit
Still fun to hear in a tunnel though.
KatieTSO@reddit
I drive buses. When we go into the mountains, I can flip my engine brakes to high and I'll actually slow down going downhill with zero brake application.
OSRSgamerkid@reddit
I've never driven 'em, but I can imagine busses are a lot less heavy than a fully loaded combination. If you're loaded lightly, or empty even, the engine brake is perfectly capable of maintaining braking on its own.
Fully loaded though, that's a different beast entirely lmao.
KatieTSO@reddit
Fair
OSRSgamerkid@reddit
A but if a correction, that's not how it works. Trucks are designed so when air pressure is lost, the brakes are applied. So the trucks resting position without air in the system has the brakes full locked in and applied. Its called "spring brakes."
driver004@reddit
Those springs are fully capable of holding the rim long enough to grind to the hub
OSRSgamerkid@reddit
Huh?
driver004@reddit
It’s like when a wheel seizes on a airliner
OSRSgamerkid@reddit
okay
MattHeimiller@reddit
All the trucks I’ve driven have had muffled engine brakes that are extremely powerful, I’ve only been driving 5 years or so.
Different generation of guys used to not having one seem crazy to me. You can do most of your work just on the engine brake and cruise control and prudent defensive positioning.
driver004@reddit
I’m talking about how quiet they’ve gotten, as I was typing that I realized I very rarely hear them anymore
MattHeimiller@reddit
I REALLY appreciate the newest trucks with a soft quiet ride, my hearing particularly in one of my ears was going from when I was a kid listening to music too loud and occasionally i still do that but my working environment is quieter than a factory floor by a stretch— have maintained the current quality pretty well
Never a better time to be a trucker than now, except maybe next year when there are even newer models
PraiseTalos66012@reddit
To add to what you said engine braking allows the engine to intake air as normal but then it keeps the exhaust valve closed as the piston starts moving up which compresses all the air and then at top dead center it opens the exhaust valve. Letting out all that compressed air at once is why it makes the loud noise.
There's typically 4 stages for a 4 stroke engine that it goes through. Intake - Air is sucked in from the intake. Compression - That air is compressed and at some point fuel is injected. Combustion - the air fuel mix combusts creating power. Exhaust - the piston pushes out the exhaust gasses. Repeat.
The reason the compression stroke doesn't normally waste tons of energy is because you don't open the exhaust valve at the top of it, so you get back most of the energy you put in as the piston goes back down during the combustion stroke.
Also when engine braking is on there is no combustion or exhaust stroke. It just does compression with exhaust at top dead center followed by intake and repeated that cycle.
There's also exhaust braking which is slightly different and normally only used on smaller trucks. It's quieter but provides much less braking force. Basically you just restrict the exhaust so there's high back pressure all the time, air still gets through so you don't reclaim the energy but it doesn't build nearly as much pressure so it doesn't brake nearly as much but it's also not nearly as loud.
alex2002f@reddit
yup this is key for anyone who runs in the west. i can come down cabbage hill on 84 in OR at max weight and not need to touch my brakes on that 6.5 mile 6% grade, using solely the jake.
bob696988@reddit
Cabbage isn’t that bad, unless in adverse weather.
UhOhAllWillyNilly@reddit
I’m always 80K# (reefer) and I run mostly in the PNW with a few trips to FL and McAllen, TX then back to the PNW and literally never touch my brake pedal on the highway or anywhere in the mountains. It’s all lower gears and my best buddy Jake. Off-ramps and around town are the only places my service brakes are ever used.
RoamingNomadSoul@reddit
Yeah that’s what I do driving in mountains. My engine parks always on. The same gear I use to climb is the same gear I use to go down
Alaskan_Tiger@reddit
They decided to be SUPER TRUCKER and endanger every one because they can't read or understand English and English numbers
whubbard@reddit
>They decided to be SUPER TRUCKER and endanger every one because they can't read or understand English and **English numbers**
You aren't too smart yourself, it seems. We use Arabic numerals. Makes your comment so comedic.
deadpat03@reddit
You do realize you are wrong right? Its Indian or at the time Punjabi. Arabs did not create it only translated it. If your going to attempt to look smart don't your not. The actual number system was created by Egyptian but the system we use is the base 10 meaning 10 characters for all numbers. We use the english numeral system not the Arabic.
FormerlyUndecidable@reddit
They are Indian. Arabs stole it from India.
driver004@reddit
Think of the fuel efficiency though
Dry-Replacement-7456@reddit
Butt hole puckered tight enough to make diamonds
MuphDiesel@reddit
I can smell the drivers pants
DeeDee_Z@reddit
Good that you (and everyone around you) are still alive. But, are you still employed after this?
And, what happens next? Do ya hafta get towed out? Can you back out? Airlifted?
4wheeler thinks she needs to know!
Emergency-Shine7460@reddit
Holy shit
Correct_Writer_3410@reddit
I always smell the brakes from at least one dumbass, usually FedEx, smoking them going 75 down Monteagle. That's such an easy downgrade too, not even that steep, if you just use jakes and stay close to the speed limit so your speed is never out of control.....
AbleDragonfruit4767@reddit
How do you get off of there
TruckerAlurios@reddit
Tow truck
NickAppleese@reddit
I tore a hole in my seat by proxy!
LyubviMashina93@reddit
Pants = Shidded
ItsHowWellYouMowFast@reddit
New high score! Good job Driver
envy841@reddit
Haha ya got past the lay guy!
Do they rake em like a sand bunker on a golf course?
Looks like he was thinking abt not taking the ramp until the last second. Maybe just scared?
Socketz11@reddit
I once spoke with a Tow truck driver that pulls big trucks out of those things and he told me 2 things that surprised me. It tears the living crap out of your truck when you hit them. All fairings, ground effects, hoses, lines, wires are ripped off the bottom of your truck, its like it went through a giant sandblaster. He said most trucks get totaled out by insurance after they hit them. Second thing its $4k to $9k+ charge to regrade them. New sand/rocks has to be shipped in and then it has to be graded out.
NoArt4586@reddit (OP)
a machine called a grader would come and smooth out the rocks again once the truck is gone
Elderado12443@reddit
Now I know they work.
Ok-Salamander565@reddit
Also let it be known that the Jake can fail! I’ve had it happen to me about 3 times now, I don’t know the specifics of why it happened but I was traveling down hill two cheeseburgers short of 80k lbs, hit the Jake and it was struggling to slow down on level 3 Jake, and it made this “warning sound” and cut off. I do find it extremely helpful to hit the brakes and then hit the Jake
mrsclausemenopause@reddit
What truck/engines had the Jake fail for you?
BedAdministrative619@reddit
Ive driven a freightliner that had the engine brake that struggled to slow down 16,000 pounds of cargo. It used to do fine on that same stretch up to 26k cargo weight. Either the trailer was made heavier than others, or the engine brake was going out in some way. I'm in a new truck now and back to not struggling to control a medium sized load (none of my runs are considered heavy).
Ok-Salamander565@reddit
My pete, I’m not sure the model number I’m a rookie driver with 2yrs experience to be honest
mrsclausemenopause@reddit
Wow, do you know anything about what caused the failure? Im just curious.
DANO8503@reddit
Yep
Im-PhilMoreJenkins@reddit
Good on the driver for keeping it upright. I like riding the jakes alllllll the way down. I'll find the safe speed at the top of the hill and take the extra minute or two going down. If I do it right, I dont ever have to hit the service brakes at all allllll the way down. I know its steep when I have to use the engine fan with max jakes lol
SexMachine666@reddit
Bet he had to change his shorts after that ride, lol
ajrodriguez25@reddit
Worst nightmare, once the fitting in my engine that charges the brakes came loose as I was going down a steep grade, completely lost my brakes, springs popped out. Luckily I was able to reach the bottom of the grade and be slowed down enough that the springs stopped me before barreling through the intersection. This was my third incident of equipment failure with this company in 3 months, I stopped driving for them after that.
Mpnav1@reddit
What a looser, he didn’t even market to the end.
justtruckmystuffup@reddit
scary. got a little squirlly for a second
drinkslinger1974@reddit
I went 90 in a semi once, it was fucking scary
Firedog_09@reddit
Wow I thought he was going to run out of ramp!
SuspiciousLaw1503@reddit
How do I get back on the road..?
tc6x6@reddit
Gotta call the draggin' wagon to winch you out.
SuspiciousLaw1503@reddit
I wonder how much thats gonna cost? 5k just to hook an tow 5 min.. lol
Kindly_Region@reddit
Depends on how far away he is from the tow. They have set fee just to dispatch then charge by the hour until the truck is out of whatever situation it was in. It probably took a wrecker at least an hour just to pull him out, he went very far down that ramp and they do not winch fast. If the truck is drivable, it would be at least $8k. If it wasn't they usually tow the truck and trailer separately so now you need 2 wreckers and you gotta pay them to drag it somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the entire bill was $20k
Wassailing_Wombat@reddit
What are the odds the truck is drivable after that? What kind of damage is likely to have happened?
Robjla@reddit
That was the gentlest ramp I ever saw. I bet zero damage. The ones I pass by all have gravel speed humps to destroy your truck.
Kindly_Region@reddit
I saw a ramp the other day that was probably only about 100 ft long, they put those water barrels at the beginning and the end of the ramp. Those will FUCK your shit up 🤣
The grade coming down wasn't terrible so it would probably stop a runaway truck.
Robjla@reddit
Probably better than nothing
Kindly_Region@reddit
It's very hard to tell just by watching a video. That gravel is supposed to absorb the kinetic energy by doing that, it sinks into it. I'm 90% sure the tires and wheels are probably fine so it will roll. The problem is it probably bottomed out and the rock was scraping the bottom of the truck. The oil and transmission pan might be fucked. So will it drive? Maybe..... for a while 🤣
Robjla@reddit
Like 2500 dollars might work
Telo712@reddit
Glad i got out before experiencing this but does the engine brake stop working as well?
notyouraverage_nerd@reddit
Engine braking/ Jake brake, two different systems only do so much.
Soulinx@reddit
Frightening...
DawnPatrol99@reddit
We need to put this in the Olympics.
the_idiot_magnet@reddit
You can go too slow all you want. You can only go too fast once.
OhiobornCAraised@reddit
Well, the driver can go fast twice now.
Robjla@reddit
That looks like a nice ramp. The ones I pass by are lumpy and guaranteed to break a lot of shit.
Always take every downhill if it could be your last. Not saying this guy is one. But I see a brake rider all the time heating up their brakes so they can fail.
Mr__Rager__69@reddit
Being in a governed vehicle that only hits 65 idk how you guys feel going any faster is safe. Going downhill I feel like my rig is already going fast enough
random_bruce@reddit
I have an old girl o drive and ill get loaded to 115k and do 80mph on the highways. I did the math on how much kinetic energy ay is was about 33 Mj or about 1/3 the energy that an average home uses in one day.
Side note this is part of what is difficult with ev semis before you account for losses and inefficiencies the energy required to get up to speed is enormous. Most electric motors are 70-80% efficient but let's go with 80 for best case scenarionow your up to 41Mj or almost 40% of a houses daily usage from the battery with a truck with no drag and no friction anywhere in it. The amount of power you need to store in batteries is just crazy if you're doing more than bags of air with a few chips in them
United_News3779@reddit
I had a near miss incident when I got cutoff, so that night I did the math to figure out and compare the kinetic energy compared to a bullet.
My loaded Super B at 140k lbs and 68mph had the kinetic energy of 3.5 of the Abrams tank 120mm depleted uranium "silver dart" M829 series of Armor-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding-Sabot (APFSDS) ammunition. This was 10yrs ago, so I don't have my notes anymore lol nothing else I could find online was comparable, like it would have been like trying to compare it as 38,000 times the kinetic energy of a .700 Nitro Express or something so oddball as to be meaningless
Mr__Rager__69@reddit
I see Tesla semis everyday I always wonder how big those batteries are. And thanks for the info could of never thought that’s how much kinetic energy went into things like thay
Exact-Leadership-521@reddit
Mines limited to 60 but I'll go 80 where that's the speed limit
NoArt4586@reddit (OP)
A lot of roads in the Midwest are 70 mph even for truckers
legollama88@reddit
80 in like texas and some other places. but i do agree when you’re in a governed truck it your speed is 68 anything faster you’re gonna feel like a new driver again lol
Mr__Rager__69@reddit
I take a local toll everyday shit is 80mph in just camp the left lane and watch 😂
6RolledTacos@reddit
Rural Utah I70 is 80 mph for everyone, including triple trailer UPS & FedEx trucks. And those bros? Ain't their truck, hammer down.
DrillTheThirdHole@reddit
out here in nevada it's technically 80 but realistically there's no speed enforcement more than maybe ten miles between towns
Everheart1955@reddit
I guarantee you could drive a needle up his ass with a baseball bat after that.
NoChilly84@reddit
bro what a fucking rush that would be omg, well done driver
Lopsided_Delivery_93@reddit
That was actually a very smooth stop
NectarineAny4897@reddit
Good job, Driver.
trucksarekewl@reddit
Sandstone was the first hill that legitimately scared me. I was only about six months in and had my pregnant wife with me. My shitty freightliner had the worst jakes ever and really didn't know if I could do it. We made it and I was sweating bullets but never told her about potentially dying that day lol
NoArt4586@reddit (OP)
Drivers, This could happen if your brakes fail going downhill or also if you're driving a manual and you pull it out of gear while going downhill and then you are not able to get back into gear then you will free roll.. So don't take your truck out of gear when going downhill at Steep grades at least
Metaltom1970@reddit
I had a Volvo daycab that would pop out of gear in the minor hills of west TN, idk why, just trying to coast, it did it multiple times, settled the speed and clutched back in to the appropriate gear.
NoArt4586@reddit (OP)
that situation will wake you up
Captain_Wag@reddit
Brakes don't fail. Drivers fail.
UhOhAllWillyNilly@reddit
People drive a truck like they’re driving a car and that doesn’t work
MisterSirEsq@reddit
That's good advice, but once I bumped the key and the engine shut off. It startled me and when I sat up in my seat, I accidentally knocked it out of gear. But, I was able to restart the engine and get it back in gear. Back then I could match the engine speed to the gear, but now we only have automatics. Not sure if I could still do that.
Legal_Mark_2126@reddit
So, do you get a big fine? Get fired?
qaf0v4vc0lj6@reddit
Fined? Yes. Mainly to cover the cost of fixing it.
Fired? Depends on the company and the reason. A driver for the company I work for had to take one and was not fired.
WhimsicalWeariness@reddit
There are no fine for using safety ramps. They are there for emergency and their use is encouraged to save lives.
You are look at a pretty hefty tow and recovery bill though.
jmzstl@reddit
Might be state dependent, but there actually is no fine most of the time since it’s a safety feature that’s designed to save lives.
You don’t want drivers to be thinking about potential fines when they’re flying down a mountain and faced with a split second decision to take the ramp.
potatocross@reddit
We had one take one thinking it was an exit while half asleep. Nearly got away with it too. Wasn't fired or fined. Somehow managed to get out on his own. Company told him he was dumb as shit and lucky as shit.
None that have taken them for reason have been fired.
NoArt4586@reddit (OP)
is a big towing bill to get a truck towed away from the runaway ramp
qaf0v4vc0lj6@reddit
Yes. It’s also usually a Hazmat cleanup as well since the fuel tanks get ruptured.
driver004@reddit
MySpace man is that you?
NoArt4586@reddit (OP)
not my own video
Hateinyoureyes@reddit
While he waits for the brakes he can change his underwear
TruckingJames423@reddit
I'm just sitting in a chair watching this, and... Oof.
SkintagK@reddit
Not in Colorado, so happy to see qualified truck drivers who know how to read road signs, we had an illegal immigrant who did not know how to read road signs come barreling down Floyd hill on 70 past the clearly marked runaway truck ramps and killed 4 innocent people
BigDogDaBeast314@reddit
The level of butt puckery. 9 out of 10. I think my heart would sink if my breaks gave out
unwantedrelic@reddit
Nightmare fuel. Man this stresses me out to the bones.
NoArt4586@reddit (OP)
let it keep you humble