[Optics] SWFA Tax Day Sale 4/11-4/15 -- Sitewide 10-15% off -- SWFA SS HD 3-9x FFP mil restocked $540 No tax outside TX+$7 shipping
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SWFA optics, particularly the 3-9x, are highly regarded on Rokslide as affordable, more durable, and more usable in low light conditions than many more premium offerings. These pass the Rokslide Field Scope eval / drop tests with flying colors. If you're unfamiliar I'd suggest looking into it.
Trollygag@reddit
The glass is unimpressive. Rokslide tests are a farce, not a gold standard.
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
What do you mean by saying they're a farce? I personally think they were originated and created with scenarios in mind and ultimately it provides feedback and perspective that a lot of optic manufacturers, or buyers simply aren't considering.
Trollygag@reddit
They do single sample testing with minimal controls/minimal measurements - they control the rifle, but don't ever get measurements off the gun to ensure that differences in weight, session timing, and the surface changes aren't giving scopes an unfair shake, with a totally unrealistic testing regime not accounting for age, environment, or impact angle - with no post mortem/analysis.
It got so bad with the parrots squawking non sequiturs about Rokslide results on long track record competition proven optics that we just straight up auto-removed any mention of them on LR.
The_Longest_Shot@reddit
I tried bringing some of these concerns over testing parameters up on Rokslide before and I got a threat via DM from a prominent member of their Mod team. I thought it was a little petty.
WSBX@reddit
They’re out there slaughtering sacred cows and have been brigaded several times. They’re touchy about it.
My view on it is that a failure on the 18” is meaningful, no matter the criteria. Some of the other tests are less meaningful, and passing doesn’t necessarily prove much.
Also I do believe Form has personal integrity, which plays a factor in those tests.
The_Longest_Shot@reddit
Form and personal integrity have no business being uttered in the same breath.
I'd agree with you on the 18" drop IF it were properly standardized, but he's too arrogant to even consider it because it wasn't his idea. The dude is an egomaniac
WSBX@reddit
I agree he has a divergent personality type but I think it makes him unwilling to lie.
He’s not kind. He is arrogant. I don’t think he lies about his tests. And I think he contributes to advancement in this space.
The_Longest_Shot@reddit
I don't think he lies intentionally, I think his data is flawed because of deep issues concerning the methods of collection.
I DGAF about his neurodivergence in the grand scheme, plenty of other extremely rude people in the gun-sphere. The reasons I don't like him revolve around his testing methods and ONLY because I see the work he's doing as being extremely important and, for the most part, well executed. If he would standardize the rifle, rings, fall parameters, and strike surface, his data would be the most useful tool available by a wide margin in terms of rifle scope durability analysis.
He's so close to having it completely nailed down, just refuses to fix the glaring issue that could very easily be resolved.
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
What are you expecting from the tests, a mechanical arm to drop at precisely the exact angle every time? That's doesn't simulate the reality of tripping and falling, and honestly would probably provide such little variance in the results that it doesn't matter.
If a rifle falls or is dropped at 160 degrees, how much will that actually affect results opposed to a perfect 180? People cling onto this idea that there are slight variances in how they're dropped, as if that completely disregards everything shown so hard and I don't get it lol. Seems like pearl clutching.
The_Longest_Shot@reddit
Honestly, thats exactly what I'd expect out of published data that he uses to draw damning conclusions about entire companies for his own self-promotion. Details and repeatability matter, a lot, and if he refuses to acknowledge the shortcomings in his methodology, then the data could be deeply flawed, and needs to be treated as if it is.
Where I'll give credit, are his dialing and return to zero tests. In a vacuum, apart from drop tests, and acknowledging the sample size, those tests can be useful in judging the design and build quality of the reticle and turret systems.
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
How it's for his own self-promotion? I mean the results are shocking but the dude is trying his hardest to mask his identity lol I don't think it's beause he wants to be 'famous'.
The entire intent behind it is data accessible to all at not cost so that buyers don't waste their money. It's calling out manufacturers shortcomings intentional or not, in hopes of improving the industry standard. SWFA set the bar for durability, and they're doing it a price point sometimes 1/10th of other optics.
I guess what I'm curious about, is how exactly you think it could be feasibly improved? I don't think data recording is the problem here as everything is tracked down to 0.1MOA deviations. Keep in mind they're not profiting from this. It's just a group of dudes that have decided to call out industry bs. Most of the scopes they've tested have either been sent in to them by people like you and I, or bought with their own money. Not to mention the cost of ammo, and time taken to mount the optics, go to the range, do the tests, track everything, type them up, etc.
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
I believe they're using the same couple of rifles, that have been verified to be known as good, being used for all optic testing as to not spoil results between optics. Quite a few measures have been taken on the test rifles to prevent the rifle being at fault. If you're not satisfied with the parameters of the test then by all means you're perfectly entitled to that opinion. To me, nothing has stood out to me that could be done better for what it's testing.
Like I said, if certain optic manufacturers are reliably passing in the same conditions that others are not then it's certainly indicative of manufacturers building to varying specs.
I think you should give the eval/standards explanation another look as a lot of the things you said aren't being tested or are unfair are being accounted for and/or shown in each individual optic test. If an optic passes it goes on to continued being used. With Athlons they've even shown them failing, sent them off to warranty, received replacements and ran the same tests again with the same results. If you identify a way it could be done or controlled better, I think they'd be open to suggestions.
Kind of seems like a childish "nanana I can't hear you" approach, and a good way to seal an echo chamber.
Smallie_Slayer@reddit
I think the fact that we’re all arguing about rokslide tests and not the SWFA scopes’ actual attributes shows that (1) what troll that said about the scopes are likely spot on and (2) the scopes themselves aren’t that exciting, but that their supposed strength is being durable and holding zero.
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
You could argue that, as an aiming device, if a scope doesn’t hold zero anything else that it does is irrelevant.
Smallie_Slayer@reddit
Bingo, and this is why I have two NF’s which go on the rifles I use to hunt. I have like 6 vortex’s and like them but I’ve had them lose zero after a rifle tumble off prop onto soft grass.
Giant_117@reddit
The long range sub is a giant echo chamber. If the opinion doesn’t match that of the current trend it’s removed lol.
cummeridian@reddit
Yeah holy shit I knew it was full of obese prs paypigs but didn't realize it was so fully redditized as to have automated keyword filtering in place to spare the mods feelings.
WSBX@reddit
If a scope can’t hold zero on an 18” drop—-scientifically controlled or not—- it has no business on a rifle employed in my real world use. Every serious scope should get through that with flying colors. That’s why the tests are meaningful.
I use whatever for completion too, but competition gear gets babied when it comes to unintended abuse.
HomersDonut1440@reddit
The UL is hot garbage. I love me some SWFA, and have a few that will never leave, but the 2.5-10 UL gets bought and resold constantly because there’s zero usable eyebox in that little things. It’s not worth owning.
svrider3@reddit
I think it’s more probable that the rokslide tests are neither a ”farce“ or a ”gold standard,” though I can see why someone might desire to label reduce them in such a way. I am not aware at any other tests which attempt even a practical or more uniform standard--though I hope there are some I am not aware of. The only one that comes to mind is the sniperhide tracking test, but my understanding is that there was such a powerful interest at prioritizing things beyond tracking repeatability that even that test did not survive. It is difficult not to conclude that the snipershide tracking test challenged widely held, seemingly ignorant, opinions about how accurate and repeatable scopes really are. And it’s understandable why people would not want those opinions challenged: They they would have to deal with some level of uncertainty regarding how well their scopes actually perform at their most fundamental functions; the alternative would be to test them, and both are generally unpleasant. It’s understandable why some people think it’s farcical to test their scopes by subjecting them to impacts--while others find it farcical to simply have faith that their scopes are fashioned by benevolent creators who both possess the knowledge and incentives to produce scopes which prioritize accuracy, repeatability , and ruggedness.
WSBX@reddit
We’re lucky somebody is testing. It will lead to more rugged designs.
Wide_Fly7832@reddit
I think they have fallen from Grace. I have three of their 16X scopes. Have been trying to sell on TacSwap etc for three months. Zero bites. They used to be highly respected at one point.
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
I think fixed 16x just isn't a very desirable scope or magnification lol. The lower powered, or variable ones sell like hotcakes.
Wide_Fly7832@reddit
I seriously doubt it. These were my first scopes since then j have moved to ATACRs and R3s. Like trollygag said these are old tech dated designs.
By the way -16X used to be the most desired fixed scope in SWFA. May be you are not hooked into the old SWFA world, when these used to be considered best kept scope secrets.
HomersDonut1440@reddit
Man no one ever liked anything above the 10. The 12 was marginal, the 16 and 20 were not well loved. The 6x is what everyone chased, and still chases.
Giant_117@reddit
The 16x wasn’t even popular 15 years ago. It was around and had a few fans but nothing like the 6,10, or 12
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
lol all right man
JPatrickBateman@reddit
Zero innovation in 20 years.
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
Hey I think you're the fucker I've been messaging on GAFS about these things lmaoo
JPatrickBateman@reddit
Doubtful - haven't been on GAFS in years.
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
Weird, very similar names used. Out of curiousity what innovation do you think is lacking? I have a feeling they intentionally avoid slapping on features to keep price points down.
JPatrickBateman@reddit
Well... Reticle options. Illumination. Turrets. No 5-8x erector. Glass quality.
All of the entry level Chinese optics are better.
svrider3@reddit
It’s probably no surprise that the modern preference for “innovation” usually results in a narrowing of value judgements to the point where new or more simply equals better. Just because something has ”more” doesn’t mean it can’t be lacking in the things that disproportionately matter: in this case a scope‘s weakness or fragility being minimized probably matters more than a maximization of things which are arguably, perhaps demonstrably, less essential to effective shooting to shooters of a certain skill level. Some people just have a preference for classical value system and as such seem to prefer a more commonsense or practical testing ethos.
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
Thank you for explaining this lol
TLDR: you're prioritizing the wrong things.
cummeridian@reddit
Because they've been holding zero and dialing reliably for 20 years.
gunplumber700@reddit
What do you want in “innovation”…? It’s like saying the wheel hasn’t been innovated in thousands of years.
There’s a finite limit to innovation. New doesn’t mean better.
JPatrickBateman@reddit
If you will scroll down a bit I answered that question.
That-Long-4905@reddit
SWFA still makes scopes?? Its 2026.
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
I think they design them and set the parameters for specifications as a company owned and operated out of TX, but they're made in Japan.
TubeSockLover87@reddit
Are they all actually made in japan?
Gloomy-Collar-583@reddit
I only have a couple of the 3-15 Gen2 SS scopes, but both the scopes and boxes say "Made in Japan."
TubeSockLover87@reddit
Thanks!
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
Idk about all of their optics, but I'm pretty sure the HD series are made by LOW in Japan.
TubeSockLover87@reddit
Huh, good to know
OlivePuzzleheaded495@reddit
I just want the 6x and the Ultralight, neither of which is in stock...
Maybe I'll grab a 10x.
Giant_117@reddit
The 6x was last in stock late June or July. We should be due to see it again in the next 6 months. 😆
MoneyisntR3al@reddit (OP)
Lol don't we all "just want the 6x". They'll pop up on the classifieds over there occasionally but mf's want $125 over retail for their beat up ass gen 1. I'll take my chances on a restock lol.
I've asked their customer service a couple of times now and the most recent answer I got was "Hopefully by the end of the year" if I email them again tomorrow it may be a completely different response. I don't think they have any idea when they'll be restocked lol
AnyProcess4064@reddit
The fixed power scopes are worthwhile at $300, especially the lower power ones. I have a 12x and 20x and like them both.
He_NeverSleeps@reddit
I've been waiting for a year for them to restock their 2.5x10 Ultralight.
Maybe one fucking day
ber808@reddit
Thats what i want for my lw 6.5g hunting build lol
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