Tasha Yar
Posted by benjaminjnorton@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 117 comments
Why did this character inspire such a cult following?
She had some moments (banging the robot, the occasional dream of being chased by r*pe gangs), but overall I thought the character was pretty disappointing.
My main complaints are the wooden acting (apparently Crosby didn't care most of the time) and the sudden spikes of anger - steady under pressure or dismissive of small threats would have made a stronger character.
Was it just he idea of her that inspired so much?
I know the post Season 1 content was better, but that doesn't explain the outcry that made her later re-appearances possible in the first place.
ImpressiveJohnson@reddit
Amazing boobs and strong female character. She was so dumb to quit.
Sufficient_Button_60@reddit
Nothing against the actress or the character but if she stayed it would have been a very different show.
ImpressiveJohnson@reddit
Worf would probably never have got the spotlight. So for sure.
OhNoIBoffedIt@reddit
There is always an affection for the original crew. And the acting was not entirely Crosby's fault. Yar was not a well-written character, which is exactly why Crosby asked to be killed off. Ironically it wasn't even the role she was supposed to do. She was cast as Troi and Roddenberry decided to switch them at the last minute.
GeneseeJunior@reddit
Yeah - Crosby did good work when she was given good material.
I was a fan because she had a striking look, and from the glimpses we got of her disturbing past Yar had put in a lot of effort to build a good life for herself.
OptimusN1701@reddit
Yea, I thought she was amazing as Sela
Lost_Balloon_@reddit
She was AWFUL as Sela. She can't act her way out of a wet paper bag.
thegovernment0usa@reddit
Keep speaking the truth even if they downvote you. Her acting was terrible.
Lost_Balloon_@reddit
Indeed. She is just an awful actress. She didn't get the focus she wanted, so she left for ostensibly greener pastures. Her career went mostly nowhere because she can't act. She begged to come back, and we got more of her awful acting stinking up otherwise good episodes. She has clung desperately to Trek ever since.
calculon68@reddit
Crosby literally stole the show in Yesterday's Enterprise. Against both Goldberg and Stewart. That moment when she chooses to embrace possible death and still help the Ent-C is what I remember most from that episode.
Not at all a fan of S1 Tasha Yar- but Yesterday's Enterprise Tasha Yar is one of Trek's greatest heroes.
Lost_Balloon_@reddit
You're delusional. Her acting is atrocious.
calculon68@reddit
Says you. She made me bawl like a baby in Deep Impact (1998)
benjaminjnorton@reddit (OP)
I didn't know about the switch. A telepathic security agent makes a lot more sense than a therapist. I don't think I'd feel safe with a councilor who could sense my thoughts or feelings. And seeing Crosby in a softer roll would have been interesting.
That's two characters squandered in one dumb decision. Thanks Gene....
OhNoIBoffedIt@reddit
No, Troi was always going to be the half-Betazoid empath (not telepath). The characters were the same, they just swapped the actors.
AllesK@reddit
Shhhh; I like the headcannon of the Security Office being an empath!
Ok_Dimension_4707@reddit
Yep. The original security chief, I believe, had the name of “Macha Hernandez” and basically existed because someone had just seen Aliens and said, “We need Vasquez as a character!”
OhNoIBoffedIt@reddit
Hahaha, I remember those original character descriptions. Back when Picard was Julian Picard. Not mentioned in the description, Roddenberry wanted Troi to have three boobs 🤣
WySLatestWit@reddit
I think a lot of the "cult following" for Tasha Yar is rooted in A.) The character just being treated so poorly from beginning to end, and B.) Denise Crosby's behind the scenes story garnered her a lot of personal sympathy from the fans. So it all combined on the internet to create a big fandom for the character.
Kasrkin84@reddit
I'll also add (C) she was amazing in Yesterday's Enterprise.
thegovernment0usa@reddit
False
RedditOfUnusualSize@reddit
Look, I'd be lying if I didn't note from the outset that Denise Crosby was one of my first crushes as a kid, and that this factors into my analysis of Tasha.
But that being said, I can't help but note that Natasha is the Mk. I of a mold that would ultimately wind up becoming an excellent character in Trek. As written in the series bible, Natasha is a really interesting character, and yes, I mean character. She's someone who has overcome a lot of trauma in her life, and even though she still struggles with the lingering after effects of that trauma, she doesn't let that trauma define her, and instead harnesses and sharpens the skills she developed in those circumstances to protect and defend people who aren't as strong as she is. That's a progressive character in our time, let alone in 1987. There are plenty of characters, like Olivia Benson, Starbuck in the Battlestar Galactica reboot or Katara from Avatar: The Last Airbender, who broadly speaking follow a similar mold, and have become iconic characters in their own right.
And in Trek, I should note that this description fits Kira Nerys and Seven of Nine to a T, and Kira and Seven are absolutely two of the richest, most developed characters in Trek.
That Natasha Yar was never given the chance to develop and join this pantheon, and was written largely with the writers gooning over Denise when they weren't tossing the character under the bus, I can't help but see as a missed opportunity. When given the chance with material up to snuff, Tasha proved herself to be a resourceful, tenacious character in her own right, and a welcome addition to the ensemble. And Denise was up for the acting challenge when given good material. Put it all together, I don't think my first crush completely explains why I think Natasha Yar was a character with a lot of potential for greatness, and wish that we'd had the chance to see that greatness develop.
Lost_Balloon_@reddit
Cringe, bro
Redbeardthe1st@reddit
Data is an android. Not a robot.
Cookie_Kiki@reddit
If we look at her specs, she's a good character. A woman raised in the idealistic future who saw both the promise of life in the Federation and the desolation of living in a society without those ideals is fodder for lots of compelling stories. A female head of security is progressive in the 80s and she's the only woman on the senior staff who doesn't have an established relationship with a man. So her character represents growth for the franchise.
If you look at her contribution to the show, she added a lot to it, even if part of her contribution was dying. She gave the audience an opportunity to contend with the fact that the lives lost on missions aren't always just peripheral. She gave Data his first sexual experience, introducing him to a new side of humanity. In Yesterday's Enterprise, she appears to fulfill all of the potential that Crosby assumed she had when she took the role, solidifying that Tasha should have been a great character. The existence of her character not only opened the door for that episode, but for us to meet Ishara and Commander Sela (who many believe should have been the antagonist in Nemesis).
The outcry is mostly that she would have gotten better if she'd stayed on through the growing period.
Suitable_Elk6199@reddit
This post feels written in a way OP is not actually trying to understand the adoration for Tasha / Denise Crosby but more questioning why because they lack appreciation.
SonikKicks39@reddit
“Drugs can make you feel good”- Tasha Yar
ExtremelyOnlineTM@reddit
Bustin makes me feel good!
SonikKicks39@reddit
Hells yeah
Interceptor@reddit
I read this to the tune of "I can make you feel good" by Kavana. God I'm old.
seasteed@reddit
Anyone else like to hit their vape when she says that?
Bunny_Biscuits@reddit
That scene was such a product of the 80s.
Sweet6-7@reddit
Haha, the Reagan era drug speech was pretty funny.
BlueRFR3100@reddit
She was an interesting character with a lot of potential. She was a woman in charge of security, while not as groundbreaking as have a black woman as a bridge officer, it was still pretty rare. Especially in the 80s when big macho men were the bankable stars.
wrenawild@reddit
and the choice to have her killed off by some incel type troll character was pretty cool too, she was ahead of her time like most of TNG.
Ren_worthy@reddit
A woman as head of security aboard a galaxy class starship was huge. Remember Uhura from the OS? She was in communications. Yar as the HEAD of security (largely thought of as a masculine position) was big. Think of the 80’s and early 90’s. Women weren’t typically in leadership positions, and rarely in any sort of physical enforcer positions.
In defense of her past, she came from a real messed up background and landed in the position of HEAD OF SECURITY ABOARD THE GALAXY CLASS STARSHIP ENTERPRISE. Are you guys even watching Season 1? She ran for her life from rape gangs and survived countless traumas that should have landed her in a psych ward. She fought back. HELLO. It’s amazing character development.
katharsister@reddit
Came here to say this. As a kid in the 80s, seeing a tough woman who could kick any guy's ass was sooo not the norm on TV back then. I mean we had American Gladiators, and we had Tasha Yar. It felt really progressive and cool.
nebelmorineko@reddit
Yup. The main female characters who would be on the bridge were Troi and Dr. Crusher. A counselor and a doctor, both softer more caring professions. Having the doctor be a woman to add a woman in was not too uncommon. Yar was always very professional and the only one that was more 'actiony' in a show that had some action. She was the only progressive casting for main characters that were female. We did see other women like Worf's ex or so forth, but we didn't get to see other female officers outside the caring professions until Ro Laren. You saw a few other one or two off characters like Gomez or Leffler, but they weren't common.
benjaminjnorton@reddit (OP)
That's not development, that's backstory.
Nothing that made her interesting happened on the show.
WySLatestWit@reddit
Yeah, we're kind of confusing "world building" with character in that case. A woman as head is security aboard a galaxy class starship is a brilliant world development, unfortunately they didn't really do anything with that character beyond that. So yes it's got cultural and political significance it was ultimately kind of a wasted opportunity. Uhura just being there on the bridge on the premiere episode of the original series a mere 26 months after the passing of the Civil Rights act in the United States was radical at the time. By 1987 a woman simply being there wasn't enough, especially when the writing frequently undermined the significance and import of that symbolism.
HellyOHaint@reddit
For some reason, people treat the rape gang concept as a joke. It’s really sick and weird coming from fans of such a progressive show.
SargeMaximus@reddit
For me it’s when she talks to Wesley about drugs. I’ve never done drugs myself, maybe that’s why
Nopetynope12@reddit
Does anyone else remember the episode where she was such a useless head of security she let ambassadors from rival planets cook and eat one another?
pakrat1967@reddit
That whole squabbling ambassadors sub plot is why I find that episode unwatchable. It might have been better if instead they didn't bother with the whole Picard possession and focused on the ambassadors. I know the writers or Gene tried to do little call backs and references to TOS with the first season of TNG. Lonely Among Us seemed like a call back to Journey to Babel.
SharkBubbles@reddit
But Mick Fleetwoid is in that ep. 😂
pakrat1967@reddit
Nope, you might be thinking of Manhunt.
SharkBubbles@reddit
You're right.
ShortBussyDriver@reddit
Marc Alaimo's first appearance on Trek.
CharacterMaybe7950@reddit
Love the character:
Lost_Balloon_@reddit
The character had huge potential, ruined by the total lack of acting ability by Crosby.
They didn't write it well because she was incapable of delivering anything.
ImightHaveMissed@reddit
Well, she was dead by the time of nemesis, and long dead by the time Picard takes place, so she couldn’t appear except in a flashback, or by being digitally de-aged which wouldn’t have gone over well. Not to say the character didn’t have potential, it was just tossed out when she got red shirted
SpookyTrek42@reddit
I’m with you. I know I’m going to get downvoted, but I couldn’t stand her character. I liked it so much better when Worf took over as chief of security. I also hated Ro.
Lost_Balloon_@reddit
The character could have been decent if Crosby was capable of acting in some way. But, agreed that the best thing Yar ever did was die to make room for Worf to grow.
I also found Ro annoying. Forbes was decent, but the character was written obnoxiously.
pakrat1967@reddit
Yeah Ro was definitely TNG jumping the shark IMHO.
thetraintomars@reddit
I think some of it is the appeal of the underdog. Even watching the show as a kid it was kind of a bullshit death scene. Literally killed by a tar monster. Then she guests a few seasons later and she’s great. Then she guests again and is also really good. Plenty of minor Trek characters have fans. DS9 produced tons of them on its own.
pakrat1967@reddit
I could be remembering it wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that the main reason she was brought back is cuz she regretted leaving the show. It wasn't the only reason, but one reason she wanted out in the first place is cuz she didn't think the series was gonna go anywhere. She underestimated how successful it would be. So they brought her back as Tasha one time to set up her being Sela.
(Yes I know she reprises Tasha in All Good Things for the past scenes. But that was still essentially OG Tasha rather than an alternate timeline Tasha like she was in Yesterday's Enterprise. Plus it was the series finale. So we knew we weren't gonna see her again)
Sea-Quality4726@reddit
She was told that the two paragraphs in her bio about the rape gangs and how even Picard found her hot was all the development they planned to do.
Roddenberry insisted it was the Captain Picard show, and the writers had to struggle to reframe their stories around Picard (like making him Worf's advocate and second when challenging the Council). They also fired McFadden for refusing to shut up about her ideas for Crusher.
Lost_Balloon_@reddit
The cult is because the character died in dramatic fashion.
Crosby is the worst actress in the history of Trek, and that's saying something. She is an awful actress, which is why her career went absolutely nowhere and she clings desperately to Trek.
AdamAtomAnt@reddit
The Tasha Yarr character made zero sense as the head of security. Crosby did great when she came back as the half Romulan daughter. Hell, the Enterprise C Tasha Yarr was a much better security chief.
Worf made a lot more sense as that character, but he became the guy who'd get his ass kicked to show how badass the freak of the week is. DS9 Worf was a lot better than TNG Worf.
Sea-Quality4726@reddit
TNG Worf was supposed to be Data's number two. The whole idea was Klingons assimilating into the Federation (which they had joined, though Worf in particular was raised by humans).
We still got a taste of that just after Yar's death, when he was more focused on strategy and tactics than rushing off to face Armus.
freylaverse@reddit
Most of the female characters on TNG were strong in a very elegant, feminine way. There's nothing wrong with that, but Tasha Yar was strong in a way that was (at the time) usually reserved for men. Plus the short hair, strong jawline... It was cool and novel!
endswithnu@reddit
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justgalsbeingpals@reddit
there's no way people actually think this outfit is sexy. I mean, the fucking superman curl?
Upbeat-Education2117@reddit
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Interceptor@reddit
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Kasrkin84@reddit
It's pudding.
EvaTheE@reddit
Data is not a robot. He is an android. And fully functional. In fact, he is the positronic pimp!
Express_Towel47@reddit
I feel like Brent Sooner would give you a hundred kudos for that quote.
EvaTheE@reddit
I can't take credit for the positronic pimp.
Fuzzy_Builder_2153@reddit
Pleasure Android was his true purpose. He was programmed for sex but he had to go to the Academy for starship training. He also walked naked on Omicron Theta, displaying his wares as a sex worker.
manik_ebarr@reddit
Dr. Soong going a little too hard on the pitch^
OptimusN1701@reddit
Not as hard as Data
Lokitusaborg@reddit
I thought Yar’s character was wasted and didn’t really care about her until Yesterday’s Enterprise
Medium_Hope_7407@reddit
What I don’t understand is how Picard just packed up and let that shit go. I’d have emptied my entire bank of photons on that planet.
TheNarratorNarration@reddit
Roddenberry insisted on not killing Armus. Something about demonstrating human moral superiority, I suspect. He'd gotten pretty weird by the '80s. There was a reason that they moved him away from doing any actual creative work after a couple of seasons.
Medium_Hope_7407@reddit
Yea his reasoning was flawed because Armus definitely represented an ongoing threat to anyone unfortunate enough to land on the planet and god forbid he actually got his hands on a starship.
SharkBubbles@reddit
I'm trying to think of a character that had a more meaningless death. Anyone? That's surely part of it.
Ok_Dimension_4707@reddit
I feel like I have a memory that Trip Tucker had a particularly meaningless death, but it doesn’t look like he died in “Terra Prime” and that was the final episode, so maybe I’m mistaken?
clgoodson@reddit
Commenting on Tasha Yar...yeah. What a weird fever dream you seem to have had.
ENZYME_O1@reddit
Jadzia’s on DS9 comes a close second.
SharkBubbles@reddit
Yeah. That was infuriating and unforgivable.
benjaminjnorton@reddit (OP)
You'd have to be invested in the character for the meaningless death to have an impact (hello, Red Shirts)
SharkBubbles@reddit
Clearly I meant main character.
Wedgerooka@reddit
She is also redundant to Worf. Butch questionably lesbian blonde security woman vs domesticated Klingon (implied black) security man. Worf had much better potential, plus could get a black guy on the bridge crew as LaForge could now go to engineering.
BobRushy@reddit
"questionably lesbian"
Because straight women aren't allowed to be fit and have short hair?
Wedgerooka@reddit
No, because that was the vibe they were going for. Put the fucking knives away.
BobRushy@reddit
Hard to admit you're a stereotyping misogynist lol?
Over the course of the series, Yar never exhibits a single gay tendency nor does the writing imply it. She just has a fashion look she likes.
SharkBubbles@reddit
What, shouldn’t the chief security officer have hair like Troi’s? /s
phineoustrout@reddit
It may seem reductive now, but that’s how a lot of fans at the time interpreted it. There’s a whole (very well-cited!) paragraph on Yar’s Wikipedia page about how viewers interpreted her as a lesbian or bisexual, and Crosby said that her understanding and performance of Yar was “gay” based on direction from the writers (Data affair notwithstanding, I guess).
SharkBubbles@reddit
Lesbian? Because she was tough and had short hair? Is that why she went after DATA when the crew's inhibitions were "compromised" during the Naked Now? I'm not even going to touch "domesticated Klingon."
Wedgerooka@reddit
Dude, this was the 80s. Can you keep your 20s butthurt where it belongs?
SharkBubbles@reddit
What are you fucking 12? What adult used “butthurt?” Go back to the basement, incel.
jasonite@reddit
I thought she was plenty likeable, and actually competent. Worf was mostly an afterthought for most of season 1 but Tasha was tough. Having a female chief of security was ahead of its time in the 80s.
In Code of Honor she had some great lines and was actively ready to put her life on the line. In The Last Outpost she was the only one who seemed competent when they beamed down and were attacked. She also did a good job with what little she had in Arsenal of Freedom and Symbiosis.
The problem is most of the episodes where she was most used are some of the worst in season one. I don't blame her for leaving because she was underused.
BobRushy@reddit
She's stunning.
She's stunning.
ResplendentShade@reddit
Right? She’s a stone cold hottie, end of story.
But also she starred in arguably the best episode of TNG, Yesterday’s Enterprise.
JonIceEyes@reddit
And for these two reasons, I stan (simp) for life
RogendoodleZero@reddit
She was hot
hsh1976@reddit
I was 12 or 13 when the character died but I remember it was kinda shocking for a main cast member to be killed off mid season.
drkittymow@reddit
TNG writers struggled to write women characters a bit. Over time Crusher and Troy got more depth but nowhere near what the male leads got.
ilovespaceack@reddit
I didn't like the character at all. I feel badly for the actor getting a bad deal, and while I never enjoyed the times they brought her back, I've read that she found it really validating and I'm glad they did it. I can handle not enjoying something briefly 🤣
TheRealestBiz@reddit
It didn’t used to be like this. The fact that the actress had demanded to be killed off while the first season was still in production kind of killed the controversy. Then she came back like three times.
SenseOptimal7972@reddit
I can't stand her. I didn't think the character was well written, and I didn't like Denise Crosby's acting. At all. Really like her as a person, but her acting was not it for me. Made me really not like the character.
dystopiadattopia@reddit
Nobody in Season 1 was particularly polished.
Tasha just had an ineffable quality I can't quite describe, but I did like her.
And she was amazing in Yesterday's Enterprise. Maybe if she had stuck around she would have had the chance to round out her character like the others
quintonforrest@reddit
I liked her and then she came back as a “baddie” Romulan daughter and her poor acting range was clear. She could have really took it there! But it was so boring.
MegaMeteorite@reddit
Because she had potential. The rest of the Season 1 cast had significant improvements later on, and she's the only one that didn't get a chance to become a better character.
Significant_Pear_523@reddit
I think some of the complaints about Crosby's acting over the years have been unfair. Even Patrick Stewart was unable to succeed with some of the stuff he was given in the first two seasons. Some of the actors who weren't as solid like LeVar Burton and Michael Dorn got better throughout the series, and maybe Crosby would have, also.
As for how her character was written -- we just weren't there yet on getting a character like that correct. A few years later, we get Kira, who has also experienced trauma, but she's written with much more care. Likewise, Ro Laren was being set up to be written with much more care, but Michelle Forbes stepped away from the franchise.
Gisselle441@reddit
I liked Sela better, she was more interesting even though she was only in 4 episodes.
_frank_tank@reddit
Everyone likes Ukrainian girls
No-Wheel3735@reddit
Worf swiftly replaced Yar with ease. Yar‘s background wasn‘t that interesting to explore.
Druidicflow@reddit
Because of horny nerds who think they self-identify as Data
Interesting_Change22@reddit
As one of those nerds, I can confirm.
Fun-Tooth-622@reddit
I have been hanging out in trek forums a long time, I do not think she is over represented at all
Pardot42@reddit
"The Robot"?! GTFO
Magazine_Luck@reddit
It's weird. I remember being shook by her death as a child, but she was literally my least favorite character on my first rewatch. The writing for her is horrendous and smacks of a need to make up for her scary short haired tough gal appearance.
Romulan_Mestral@reddit
Ich mochte Tasha Yar nie
tristanitis@reddit
Thank you for giving me a chance to test my incredibly basic Duolingo German and pass.
Vampirero@reddit
I agree. Yar could have been so much better. But I think she was limited by the writing of the time.
Sweet6-7@reddit
I watched TNG as it aired originally back in the 1980’s. I honestly never understood the appeal of her character either. Even as an adult now, her character just never resonated with me.