Zelensky warns Russia against violating Orthodox Easter ceasefire
Posted by chillichampion@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 35 comments
Posted by chillichampion@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 35 comments
cmrd_msr@reddit
Our media are already reporting ceasefire violations by Ukraine.
Last year, at Easter, 5,000 such violations by Ukraine were counted.
For several days now, many people online have been asking the question, "Why does Putin need this circus every year?"
filtarukk@reddit
You and many people start understanding who is violated and aggressor in this conflict. Kiev regime is not interested in resolving this problem, when Russia makes step forward resolution - Kiev start to escalation again. Kiev regime is a loose cannon.
Czart@reddit
Quick, how many people held the office of president in ukraine since 2000 and how many in russia?
filtarukk@reddit
Whatabism again? In either case it does not justify blocking the peace talks.
Czart@reddit
It's not whattaboutism if both parties are already part of the topic. Now answer the question champ.
cmrd_msr@reddit
The Russians have always understood this. We understand what the Ukrainians are saying.
My questions are directed exclusively at the leadership, which keeps making the same mistakes with negotiations.
Inthepurple@reddit
Russian media is famously very reliable regarding anything relating to the conflict
cmrd_msr@reddit
Not really. They usually try to minimize/hush up news about attacks.
mrgoobster@reddit
Except when it's useful to do the opposite.
cmrd_msr@reddit
People won't let you lie about this either. The only thing you can do here is build a conspiracy theory about self-inflicted shelling.
The facts of the shelling are obvious.
kapuh@reddit
....which is why the small Kreml man wants it to be locked out.
Come on. There is not even slightly independent media left in your country.
The only information is good for is to see what the Kreml wants to communicate.
Or are you willing to accept German state media news about Russia breaking the case fire?
cmrd_msr@reddit
Independent media don't exist. At all. Every media outlet has its own funding sources. Every media outlet operates in the interests of whoever pays it, the naive European.
Our authorities are still too weak to fight against the means of transmitting information.
Lowered12@reddit
Sadly thats the truth which most people ignore.
For example we have public tv called TVP which was pretty much goverment(PIS) propaganda and opposition(KO) was loudly complaining about it, But once the opposition won and became the goverment they raided the TVP and then it became their own propaganda and they started saying its independent media and they made it propaganda free
Also we have TVN which is private owned which is also just propaganda media which supported KO the whole time both, when It was opposition and goverment
kapuh@reddit
Are you telling me that you see no difference in independence between PIS-TVP and KO-TVP?
Are you joking?
Again this "both sides" bs.
TVN was fighting for their existence in PiS-Poland. They wanted to pass a law explicitly tailored to neuter them. Same goes for constant attacks by TVP. It is no wonder that the only remaining people there tend to not lean very right...however, they've still been criticising the current Government for not fulfilling their 100-day promises, the asylum topic or transparency for example.
A criticism which would not be possible for PiS-TVP at that time.
They are also not alone in the market. If they'd be found to be too much pro Government, some other private media would point it out (and they do). Something PiS-TVP, didn't have to care about. But this is how you get a relatively balanced picture as a consumer.
Lowered12@reddit
Yeah there is difference but also there is still propaganda
As for TVN law don't act like that justifies them , they were biased before it even happend
And again about TVP situation is better but there is still propaganda. Based on the OBWE report about 2025 presidential elections TVP and TVN were heavily biased towards trzaskowski while TV republika heavily biased towards nawrocki
and only polsat could be called neutral with little favour towards trzaskowski
so what if they can be critical of current goverment if they are much more critical of previous one and support current one in elections
kapuh@reddit
You should look that word up.
I don't think you know what it means or you try to dramatise which just make you look uneducated.
I didn't say it justifies them. They are clearly not on the right site of the political spectrum. Which is quite ok. There is media pluralism. They became quite famous for it and therefore attract further journalists which are on the same side.
This does not mean that they're spreading Government propaganda though.
Oh so you agree with me that there is "neutral" media?
Why didn't you bring it up in your first comment but went to bitch about TVN cementing your "both sides" bs?
kapuh@reddit
Ah, if the whataboutism is gone, there are always wordplays left.
The topic is: independence from Government policy.
A publicly or privately funded news source is therefore independent of the Government
...at least in those cases where the "private" media doesn't also belong to somebody in the Government.
cmrd_msr@reddit
Anyone capable of funding a publication is too wealthy to broadcast an independent opinion. Every such person has their own interests and agreements with certain authorities.
It doesn't work that way.
You can trust videos from the field. From people just like you. Unconditional trust in the media is a sign of a lack of intelligence.
kapuh@reddit
So, you say that the media situation in Russia is the same thing as it is in the West with private media?
No, you can't.
Most of the times you don't even know from what day those recordings are.
Other than that, a Government, which is very aware of the influence of Telegram, would love to fake away just like they do with their media.
The only videos which could actually be trusted are those who show things the Government doesn't want to communicate as the danger of punishment is immense. Those might be then faked by Ukraine so...no, you can't trust videos from the field also. Especially not if they follow what the Government would love to communicate.
cmrd_msr@reddit
The media situation in Russia is much better than in the West.
Our people, at least, don't believe in their independence.
kapuh@reddit
I think this is the right moment to dig out an old emotional reaction: rofl
How is this a "win"?
Are you now proud to be fucked by your Government over and over again?
So it's been an filming order?
How would this even make it trustworthy?
Do you know when and where it has been filmed?
cmrd_msr@reddit
Knowing you're being deceived is much better than believing you're being told the truth.
You're being deceived too. I can see this, having been reading the European press for decades. But you believe it year after year. And that's absurd.
It won't be possible to lie for long, in any case.
kapuh@reddit
Yeah but only if both persons are equally deceived.
This is not the case here.
S you actually live in Russia and made clearly uninformed statements like "The media situation in Russia is much better than in the West.", but you still think you could judge the "European press"?
If it wouldn't be so sad, it would be quite hilarious.
We have a wide spectrum of media sources in Europe. Most of the European countries have that. Making such a broad generalisation only shows how bad informed you are.
milton117@reddit
You were the one quoting your media for alleged ceasefire violations from Ukraine.
cmrd_msr@reddit
I didn't quote anyone. I referred to them. And before I referred to them, I, of course, checked the videos from people on the ground. The facts of the strikes are obvious.
BlackDope420@reddit
Your article doesn't say that Russia broke the ceasefire, it talks about Russian attacks in the hours before the ceasefire comes into effect.
I have no idea if Russia broke the ceasefire and it wouldn't surprise me if it did, but that's not what your article is about.
kapuh@reddit
I know...I just wanted to see if Vatnik would even click it.
It didn't.
BlackDope420@reddit
Lol, I respect the hustle
Lopsided-Selection85@reddit
I mean it's pretty well documented that Ukraine violated the previous energy ceasefire as well as black sea ceasefire, so there is very little reason to doubt that they will violate this one as well
kapuh@reddit
I mean it's pretty well documented that Russia violated the previous energy ceasefire as well as black sea ceasefire, so there is very little reason to doubt that they will violate this one as well
I mean it's pretty well documented that Russia eradicated all free and independent media sources in their country, so there is very little reason to doubt they're lying
Lowered12@reddit
I mean it's pretty well documented that Ukraine and Russia eradicated all free and independent media sources in their country, so there is very little reason to doubt they're lying
But seriously just because you changed Russia to Ukraine doesn't change the facts that it was Ukraine who broke energy ceasefire as well as black sea ceasefire which Russia followed until it expired and decided not to extend it
MrTatyo@reddit
Yeah but Russia is occupying their land and actively trying to occupy more, while committing multiple war crimes.
Who broke the international laws first and who is breaking the ceasefire first?
Lowered12@reddit
Im not really trying to defend Russia , sorry it kinda sounds like I do , im just annoyed of people blindly defending Ukraine and acting like anything bad about them is propaganda just like that guy i responded to ignored facts and just changed Ukraine to Russia
In my opinion blindly trusting Russia or Ukraine and trying to make the other side good is just idiotic
Good example of that is people saying that Ukraine/Russia broke the ceasefire first and because of that they are untrustworthy! Well obviously Ukraine nor Russia won't stop their offensives and lose the momentum and let enemy improve their positions , Neither side ever planned to fully follow the ceasefire on every front so its kinda stupid trying to make 1 side look bad for something the second also does..
sakezaf123@reddit
Putin has been the first to violate any ceasefire proposed so far, whether it was Ukraine or by him. Ukrainians also won't hold themselves to a ceasefire their invaders won't respect, there is no brownie points for not shooting back when you are being invaded.
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