Upgrading from 1080ti. 5070 or 5070ti?
Posted by PR0WN3D_@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 96 comments
Hey all, built a pc around a year ago with a 1080ti as a placeholder since I don't usually play graphics heavy games, but wanted to be something that was powerful enough to not have any complaints (Haven't had any issues for the games I play the mostly as they are all almost cpu bound or are older and a 1080ti runs them fine).
Recently though I started getting back into Forza Horizon 5 (FH5) due to seeing news on FH6 releasing soon. The performance isin't bad by any means but I want to be able to push the graphics for the game when FH6 comes out. So I was looking at buying a new gpu and was deciding between the 5070 and 5070ti but cant decide if the price to performance jump is worth going for a ti...
TL;DR Upgrading from 1080ti, unsure if I should buy 5070 or 5070ti.
grigoriymicro@reddit
Don't be that guy, but you might as well buy a 9070xt. What is the price difference between it and a 5070 for you?
PR0WN3D_@reddit (OP)
from what im looking locally the 9070xt might actually be cheaper near me. I will stop by my local microcenter as well tomorrow and see what they have in stock
Octaive@reddit
Don't fall for this. If you are not tech savvy, do not buy an AMD card. FSR4 support is not where it should be. You'll need third party software to get the most out of the card (Optiscaler).
If you want plug and play, just don't.
Ok_Nerve2651@reddit
In which new games is the FSR4 support lacking?
Octaive@reddit
No Vulkan support, so the latest Doom.
Clair Obscur launched with no support and stayed that way for most of a year, but was finally patched. That's really bad for such a cult hit.
Random games like Ninja Gaiden.
What about Noir 3? I'm sure you can optiscaler for some of these games but I'm not going to count that. OP doesn't have a lot of experience and it's not a reasonable ask.
maniacalmayh3m@reddit
Why do I need FSR for Doom Dark Age. I pull 180+ fps with my 9070xt without upscaling
Octaive@reddit
Because you could do more? What if you had a 240, 280 or 360hz monitor? Some of us do. Why would I fall short of even better responsiveness, even smoother, and even clearer in motion? Once you hit 240 motion clarity becomes insanely good, and any bit more brings a game to life in motion.
So yeah, 180 is great, 240 or more is better and upscaling would let you make that choice. Maybe you still prefer 180 with as much resolution as possible, but many of us like the trade off.
elusive_ninja@reddit
Is upscaling on by default? Otherwise either way it’s plug and play especially since he’s coni bf from a card without a upscale
Octaive@reddit
It can give a very good picture with great performance. This is also possible with the AMD cards, but it's just less often capable of this. The Nvidia cards can also do upscaling more aggressively while maintaining great image quality, but FSR4 is still good.
The frame generation situation is much worse. If OP ends up enjoying FG, then getting AMD is not worth the VRAM. There's a huge loss of perceived performance (through smoothing) when you lose multi frame generation.
StJe1637@reddit
Just dont use fake frames?
kadendurrbie@reddit
That is my take. I’d rather 130-180 fps frames from raw gpu vs 190+ with noticeable artifacts.
vitek6@reddit
Why not if them make game better
RosexLuna23@reddit
Shit idk about you but mine's working fine without 3rd party
Able_Canine@reddit
I'd even put the non-XT 9070 higher on the list if there's any appreciable price difference to the XT in your area.
grigoriymicro@reddit
Oh hell yeah, I mean if you're planning to mostly just play games, then a 9070xt will be an actual no brainer here.
hunter503@reddit
Just don't update to current drivers lmao
DARKLORDCATBUG@reddit
26.3.1 has been working great on my end! What issues are you having?
hunter503@reddit
None for me, but the past 2 or 3 days I've just seen a lot of post about 90 cards having crashing issues with the new update. I also haven't updated my card to the most recent either.
DARKLORDCATBUG@reddit
I was getting some crash issues like 3 months ago but every drive since has been rock solid for me. Tbf, I did do a fresh install last year so that vould be why
hunter503@reddit
I honestly thought this was the amd sub when I posted that lmao
sylarrrrr@reddit
9070xt for price is elite
Muah_dib@reddit
Not really...
oSyphon@reddit
All I'm gonna say is if you're doing a 9070xt to consider Linux because I've seen loud people complaining about drivers crashing on windows often
ndubitably@reddit
5070 TI or 9070 XT will both be a good upgrade.16GB VRAM gives me a little peace of mind. It probably depends more on what you're playing on (display) and what performance you're expecting. Such as 1440p at 120 fps or 4K/60 fps High/Ultra on most games with medium Ray Tracing
DevcDe@reddit
5080
VoraciousGorak@reddit
I own a 9070 XT and a 5070 Ti. I love my XT and use it in my primary gaming PC, gaming at 4K. I got a great deal on it, and the price/performance it provides is just better than the 5070 Ti right now. Drivers have been rock-stable for me, the software is great, and it doesn't have self-immolating power connectors. Subjectively, my 9070 XT is also quieter and less power hungry than my 5070 Ti. Given my experiences with the card, know what I'd recommend?
The 5070 Ti.
Why?
Until and unless AMD reverses course on not releasing known working FSR4 tech for older cards, I can't promise I'll have a good experience with the XT a couple years from now. My 6950XT in another PC is hurting and FSR4 would totally fix a lot of what's wrong with it. AMD's lack of support on older cards is also almost certainly hampering the speed of FSR4 adoption, so AMD users are getting shafted at multiple angles here.
mati203920392@reddit
As a owner of 9070xt/5070/5070ti i will save you some headache, if you are at hd/2k res go for 5070, if you are at 4k go for 5070ti, as hard as im trying to like 9070xt, the stabillity issues are just so frustraiting that this card cannot be reccomended.
sylarrrrr@reddit
What issues are you having I’ve had one since launch And never had one crash
mati203920392@reddit
Random black screen during gaming when i can still hear sound, only hard restart works. Friend of mine plays mosty bf6 and every fev games he has random dx crash. There are a lot of topics of both issues on reddit, without one way of resolving those issues.
SeventyTimes_7@reddit
I’ve had way more issues with BF6 specifically since switching from AMD to Nvidia. They seem to be fixed but it was really annoying when I first switched.
sylarrrrr@reddit
So weird I’ve put 200 hours into it and never crashed once
mati203920392@reddit
Well good for you. But in the same time I have lost a clutch yesterday in cs2 1vs3, when it was 1v1 i got black screen and had to restart. The main reason of me buing 9070xt was overall praising it on reddit and some yt channels. I wish it would be that good as everyone thinks but it is not. As for the op, it is better for him pay those 200$ more, if he can afford it, just to avoid all of those issues.
sylarrrrr@reddit
im wondering if it could be something else because i have a few other friends with 9070xt and never crash also?
mati203920392@reddit
I'm running 7800x3d, x870 tomahawk, 1000w platinum psu, 32gb 6000mhz cl30 ram, and with 5070ti there was no issues (yes i did complete windows reinstall while switching to radeon), beside that you can just Google "9070 xt black screen with sound".
sylarrrrr@reddit
Interesting that people can have issues then others can have zero. Must be a common thing triggering it , im on a 9800x3d tho
EmperorVitamen@reddit
Sound like a bad cable, not a GPU issue. Had a similar issue with my 1080ti
mati203920392@reddit
I have tested with all the pcie cables that i have with that psu, so not relly that.
DJ_Sippycup@reddit
Getting downvoted for sharing a bad personal experience is crazy
daiei27@reddit
I can see why. They were pushing an anecdotal experience as common.
It’s also sus how they supposedly game with all three of those cards? Anyone with that kind of money would buy a better card.
Sounds more like someone pushing an agenda…
Genya_Arikad0@reddit
Do you hear how idiotic this sounds? Lolol An agenda??
mati203920392@reddit
I have 5070 in midori 5L for traveling, and 5070ti in main pc for the past year. now for a month i'm using 9070xt, that i bough for a good price hoping it is really that good as everyone here is saying. I had plans of selling 5070ti but i'm not sure anymore.
Not sure what pushing an agenda you are Talking about since there is a lot of reddit posts about same issues.
kadendurrbie@reddit
9070xt but buy one with 3x8 pin
ecktt@reddit
What to get? 5070Ti.
Why? If you're asking, you have the money, and it performs better.
What about value? Pleh! Performance does not scale linearly. Buying a video card purely based on value will always put you into the entry-level class and sub-60 fps performance.
In this day and age, pick a price point (purely arbitrary, e.g. 650-750USD) and if upscaling and RT are important (no, then AMD else NVidia). It's that simple
If you want to you money to vote for the independent, Intel.
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
What's the rest of your setup? PSU? Cpu especially. And what resolutuon are you playing at? What kind of games are you playing? Those are some pretty important infos if you wanna choose the right GPU.
if you are playing at 1440p or higher:
If you can afford it, get the 5070ti. It's way faster and has 16gb of VRAM which matters at higher resolutions.
Or as an alternative the 9070xt if it is cheaper than the 5070ti. It goes head to head with the 5070ti.
The feature set of AMD is a bit worse, but not by much. The new FSR looks absolutely great and drivers have been super stable (at least for me since i went with AMD ~18 months ago).
9070 should always be considered in my opinion. Uses a lot less power than the XT version and therefore runs cooler. At 1440p only 7-10% slower. Comes with 16GB of VRAM just like the 5070ti and the 9070xt.
PR0WN3D_@reddit (OP)
The other games I play besides Forza Horizon is like valorant, minecraft, marvel rivals, older cod titles, gta v, rust +VR titles from time to time
(copy pasted from other reply)
System Specs:
Monitor: Acer Nitro 27" 1440p 240hz
CPU: Ryzen 5 7600X3D
CPU COOLER: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB
(Current) GPU: Gigabyte AORUS GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB
MOBO: Asus TUF GAMING B650-E
STORAGE: Samsung 990 Pro 1TB
RAM: G.Skill Flare X5 32GB 6000
CASE: Phanteks XT PRO ULTRA
PSU: MSI MAG A650BE
Ryan32501@reddit
650 watt psu? 9070 might be your best choice. XT pulls 300+ watts. 9070 pulls 220 and is only 10% slower than the XT
PR0WN3D_@reddit (OP)
Do correct me if im wrong, but on pcpartpicker it estimated all my components, minus my gpu should only be 184. and with the xt it said it would be estimated at 488w So that should be fine on a 650w psu. cus that would have to take nearly 450 watts for it have any issues right..?
tylerz33@reddit
if you dont want to get a new psu, go 5070 or 9070, xt or ti will need 750w at least.
ssuper2k@reddit
For ti/xt you might want a 750+ psu
PR0WN3D_@reddit (OP)
I was looking on pc part picker and it doesnt seem to have any warnings with putting this all together.
Estimated wattages for the different gpu's with pc part picker
Current 1080ti estimated wattage: 434w (Not sure how to actually check on hardware)
5070ti estimated wattage: 484w
9070xt estimated wattage: 488w
Aynien@reddit
With these new cards you want a safety margin because they can spike pretty high in certain situations
ssuper2k@reddit
In you case, with a 650w psu, I'd get a 9070 (non xt)
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
If you don't want to get a new PSU, i recommend getting a 9070.
It's a beast at 1440p has 16GB of VRAM and your PSU can handle it. Huge upgrade coming from the 1080ti.
The only other GPU your PSU could handle would be the 5070 and the 9070 is the clearly better GPU between those 2
Octaive@reddit
Hard disagree, the 5070 with less VRAM is a superior experience with the better software suite. Support in games for cutting edge DLSS is clearly superior. It's really not clear cut at all.
When FSR4 is not available, which is often, the 5070 wins by default. You have to use third party software to make the 9070 perform like you're saying.
A slight raw raster performance lead means nothing when you use upscaling, which this person no doubt will with how good it is on the 5070.
The frame generation on the 5070 is leagues apart. It's not even comparable.
Spiritual-Amoeba1570@reddit
I bought a 5080, regretting not buying a 9070xt. Just buy the 9070xt, its gonna be withing a few percent of the 5070ti and they can be had for much cheaper
deTombe@reddit
What's the rest of the system and resolution you play at?
PR0WN3D_@reddit (OP)
Idk what exactly you are looking for so I'm just including everything
System Specs:
Monitor: Acer Nitro 27" 1440p 240hz
CPU: Ryzen 5 7600X3D
CPU COOLER: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB
(Current) GPU: Gigabyte AORUS GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB
MOBO: Asus TUF GAMING B650-E
STORAGE: Samsung 990 Pro 1TB
RAM: G.Skill Flare X5 32GB 6000
CASE: Phanteks XT PRO ULTRA
PSU: MSI MAG A650BE
codloverr@reddit
Your PSU looks to be 650w which won’t be enough for the 5070ti or 9070xt.
Amells@reddit
I'm using a 5070Ti with my 650W PSU and barely see any issues
Octaive@reddit
OP, stay with Nvidia. You didn't know a basic question (which is totally fine, you're new), so please, just get whatever Nvidia card you can afford and set it and forget it.
A lot of people here are going to try to get you to buy AMD to help fight the shrinking market share situation AMD is in, but I can't in good conscience watch it happen when you're just looking to game.
deTombe@reddit
Ok nevermind you have a great system. Since you mentioned 1080ti I was worried it was some old 7th gen system lol. I would go all out and get the 5070ti. If you are not going to starve for a week.
PR0WN3D_@reddit (OP)
Nah its good, specifically got the 1080ti cus can handle most things I've needed to throw at it but was also a cheap enough price so I could easily upgrade from it down the line.
deTombe@reddit
For sure and just like how long the 1080ti lasted the 5070ti should be a similar GPU minus the 200% increase in price lol.
definitelynotracist1@reddit
If your budget allows, id go with the 5070ti as it has more vram and raw power. I had the 9070xt for 6 months and all i experienced was annoying driver issues, so i then upgraded to a 5080. But yeah go for the 5070ti
Octaive@reddit
If you aren't willing to tinker, do not buy a 9070XT. Do not fall for the "AMD is a better value" trope. They aren't. The 9070XT should be priced the same as a 5070 or cheaper in my opinion. Anything more and more and you're getting ripped off.
AsinineSeraphim@reddit
Can parrot this statement. I got an 9070XT last year because everyone seemed to recommend it as better value than a 5070 TI. Proceeded to spend a week a few hours every day trying to tweak it and I never could get it to be stable. FSR also just seems subjectively worse to my eyes on the games that I played, much more noticeable than the equivalent DLSS implementations that I used. After a week of playing around with it trying to get it both stable and where I wanted it to look - gave up and just paid a little more for a 5070 TI and I couldn't be happier. At the time the price difference was like 80 bucks.
Nosferatu_V@reddit
AMD is only being said to be the "better value" one because they undercut Nvidia a little with pricing. In raw performance, their offerings stay frequently 10% below in raw performance to Team Green.
In a way, they legitimized Nvidia's shenanigans and it's infuriating seeing people fall for it and recommend AMD's GPUs left and right.
Cute-Shirt6022@reddit
Go 5070ti for the extra performance.
UncleRico95@reddit
Check 9070xt prices and if you go that route familiarize yourself with optiscaler
Dransel@reddit
Depends on your budget. This sub loves to recommend AMD cards, but if you have the budget, I’d choose Nvidia every time. You won’t use all of the Nvidia software features all the time, but when you can benefit from them, they’re worth it, especially when it comes to prolonging the usable life of your GPU. If you’re comparing our rasterization, AMD is a fine option, but I believe there’s more overall flexibility in day to day use when it comes to Nvidia’s options.
JMZ555@reddit
To be honest just keep it simple, just buy the highest Nvidia card you can afford. No point overthinking.
iiStryker@reddit
Get whichever you can responsibly afford and what YOU will be happy with
Everyone would have a 5090 if we could afford that
Jaanbaaz_Sipahi@reddit
Ti for sure. So many older games also hit 9-10gb vram so easily
Octaive@reddit
What older games?
PR0WN3D_@reddit (OP)
Def gonna look between the 5070ti or 9070xt!
gamblodar@reddit
I'd recommend a 9070 instead of the 5070, or the 9070XT instead of the 5070Ti.
FruscianteKBR@reddit
I think 9070 vs 5070 at same price is not a straightforward choice. 9070 has slightly better raw performance, but the real choice I think is nvidia features (DLSS, ray reconstruction etc) vs better vram on the 9070. I would personally lean towards 5070 because DLSS is much more widely supported.
gamblodar@reddit
Why would you pay for less fps, even if the AI magic is better? FSR isn't bad, it's pretty good. I use it only my NVidia card fairly frequently (all hail Optiscaler). I've used AMD framegen as well, and it's perfectly fine. DLSS is better, but the gap isn't what it was back in the 1.0 days.
I just don't understand the argument "the real fps difference isn't that big, I'll pay more for better AI frames". Even if I manage to wrap my head around it, "the AI frame difference isn't that big, I'd rather pay less for better fps" makes a million times more sense to me.
Octaive@reddit
OP, do not listen to these people.
FruscianteKBR@reddit
I don’t care about ai frames but I do care a lot about upscaling because I prefer gaming on a 4K monitor. FSR is probably good enough but it’s just supported in way less games. So if the raw performance and price of these cards are so close then I go with nvidia. 9070xt is a different story as the raw performance difference is more significant, but that’s also a substantially more expensive card where I live.
Muah_dib@reddit
I agree
JulieNyaa@reddit
Ok so the 5070 Ti is definitely the best of the bunch but its price has skyrocketed with the AI bubble. As others have been saying the 9070 XT is almost the same level of performance in both raster and RT as the 5070 Ti at micro center is near $1000. If you aren’t married to nvidia in terms of software features like shadow play or DLSS instead feeling fine using relive and FSR then the 9070 XT can be had for about $700. Only other thing nvidia is preferred for is certain video rendering like Adobe suite.
On the lower side between the 5070 and 9070 same sort of consideration on features and drivers and the like but the 9070 will beat the 5070 in basically every metric otherwise. RT, raster, VRAM etc all for like $20 more.
Personally I use Adobe Premiere and After Effects so the 5070 Ti was needed, but if I was strictly doing gaming a 9070 XT would’ve saved me money and performed nearly as well.
tc05_@reddit
Get at least 16GB of VRAM (9070XT, or 5070Ti if you really prefer nvidia)
Pacificream@reddit
9070 XT over 5070 and 5070TI over 9070XT. If you want to save cash and still have a very powerful GPU go for 9070XT.
NoEconomics8601@reddit
Go for 5070 Ti cause extra VRAM for longevity and DLSS being far superior
Soulspawn@reddit
I'd get the 5070ti all the latest features and it will last a long time. Maybe not as long as 1080ti but that was the goat
SleepyTurtle345@reddit
How big of a concern is budget and whats the prices in your area? 70ti is gonna feel closer to a 5080 than a 5070
goonertone75@reddit
I wouldn't worry about price to performance, if you can comfortably afford the ti, just get it. I couldn't afford the ti so i got the 5070, I'm very happy with the performance of the 5070 after upgrading from 4060, won't be upgrading for many years
PR0WN3D_@reddit (OP)
For me price kind of is but also isint an issue. I'm currently a college student whos basically just on scholarships. So I basically dont have any expenses as I eat at my dining hall. I work part time on weekends so its just a matter of saving up for one or the other.
goonertone75@reddit
Then I would save for a bit longer and get the ti, you won't need upgrade for many, many years. AMD is usually better bang for your buck (I'm not even going to get into the DLSS v FSR and frame gen argument lol) but your post obviously states you want an Nvidia card so just stick with it.
Background_Ad8545@reddit
5070ti mate, this is the way. Stable driver, brutal power, nvidia features.
Equivalent_Milk_5661@reddit
which can you afford?
the best that your money could get is the best answer.
iTzJME@reddit
I'd check out the 9070xt performance and compare it with the prices in mind. If the 5070 and 9070xt are at all similarly priced, go 9070xt unless you need the cuda cores for work
PR0WN3D_@reddit (OP)
Ill look into the 9070xt aswell! Completely slippd my mind it exists.
CivilChaos@reddit
5070 or 9070 imo
No_Spare1827@reddit
well Id say it depends on the CPU but the 5070TI is the better choice for sure, but a 9070XT isnt a bad idea either