Samaritans UK help line hung up on me… Why ?
Posted by Disastrous_Rise4433@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 190 comments
So I rang the Samaritans tonight for the second time in my life, we were on the phone for a good 50 minutes when the woman said she had to cancel the phone. I myself am a woman (didn’t make any weird remarks) but I really would’ve like the conversation to continue. Why was the call ended ? I’m thinking maybe her shift was over but why wouldn’t she say such ? Just a bit confused as I googled and it’s said they don’t cancel unless there’s abusive behaviour which I not at all have done ? Any insight will be much appreciated- Thanks x
Aphra_@reddit
Samaritian here - I'm sorry this was your experience. It''s hard to know without context.
We're trained to provide emotional support to all callers, whether having suicidal thoughts or not - with the exception of abusive calls, however they are very obvious and a samaritian should explain to you before ending the call if you're being inappropriate.
If they felt the conversation had come to a natural end/conclusion and perhaps it was going in circles, they should have summarised your discussion, asked how you were feeling and drawn the conversation to a natural close. It shouldn't have been abrupt - but it is a real skill that takes a while to masters.
Callers often naturally want to continue talking, even when you have explored their problems in depth, often its a comfort to just talk to someone but when you know they're not at risk of harm and theres little left to discuss its hard not to think about other calls waiting to connect to a samaritian who may be standing on a bridge or about to do something harmful. So although all issues are welcome and we are always there to listen, we sometimes might try and draw the discussion to a close but only if we feel you're not going to harm yourself.
That being said, if they abruptly ended the call theres no reason why they should have done this. The only reason I can think of is if the samaritian they're on shift with is under distress and needs support.
budget-lampshade@reddit
Just wanted to say- during a very bad period of my life when I was deep in substance use and awful mental health I called you guys several times. It was a huge help, and you guys are amazing. (Life is now the best it has ever been, and I work in substance/MH support myself- passing it along.) Huge respect to you and your peers. You do amazing work. Thanks.
SpicyRiker@reddit
meh, not in my experience.
pineappleshampoo@reddit
Or they’re way past their finish time for the shift and can’t stay any later due to other responsibilities. Staying late means your fellow Sam on shift can’t leave either usually.
IuniaLibertas@reddit
But why not say that to the caller?
Aphra_@reddit
They still shouldn't end the call abruptly, they should still summarise and draw the conversation to a close.
NuisancePenguin44@reddit
Maybe they tried this and op wasn't talking the hint
PurchaseDry9350@reddit
Why would they hint, they should just say it
Disastrous_Rise4433@reddit (OP)
They didn’t round up the convo at all, we were just in the middle of talking and they said they had to cancel the call. It was maybe a minute or 2 before 7am so I think most likely thing was their shift ended then.
ellemeno_@reddit
At my branch, there is the expectation that you continue with the call even if your shift is over. If you really have to leave at shift end time, there are a few options available: 1) explain to the caller that you’ll either be handing them over to another Listener at your branch as your shift is over and you have to leave, or 2) if there isn’t another shift coming on you can advise them to either call back to get someone else (though obviously that Listener won’t know the content of previous call). Or 3) you’ll arrange a call back at a different time (but it cannot be the original Samaritan calling them back).
waste-of-ass000@reddit
Or possibly something happened and they had to leave their station; ex. Spouse texting child is in a hospital
tiny_tina1979@reddit
It doesn't say it ended abruptly.
Myself having to deal with such calls, they can at times go round in circles and not really make any headway. People need to help themselves also. 50 minutes is an extremely long time.
Aphra_@reddit
You're right, I'm assuming the ending was abrupt because OP is asking reddit why, which suggests to me the reason it was ending wasn't made clear.
Even when calls are starting to circle and we've talked for 50 minutes, I still wouldn't say I need to cancel/close the call.
I might let them know the call feels like it's coming to a natural close, what will they do after the call, ask how it's felt to talk... and if they're not picking up on the cues I'd say, it feels like the conversation is starting to circle, perhaps they need some time to reflect or take any actions they've suggested for themselves and we're always here if they need to talk again.
If they really really persist I will say, im going to end the call, we've talked for a long while in depth and I hope it's helped but we have other callers waiting, but I think I've only had to be that blunt a couple times.
pineappleshampoo@reddit
Sure. Idk what was said on both sides in this case as I wasn’t there.
onechipwonder@reddit
Naah I think the shift buddy might have an emergency situation. Either something in progress or could be someone in an immediate danger. The only reason I could think of.
SpaceCatSociety@reddit
I’ve called Samaritans once and I felt they couldn’t end the call quick enough. My therapist told me to call them but it wasn’t a good experience for me and left me feeling rejected and agitated. I was absolutely not abusive, I was distressed as I had just been diagnosed with cancer and had no one to talk to. I wasn’t suicidal either though. My therapist said I should try them again if I felt unwell.
From your comment, am I understanding correctly that Samaritans are there to prevent suicide, not to provide emotional support for others in need? I am really feeling like talking with someone this weekend and thought I’d give them another try. It sounds like I shouldn’t.
_Anxious_Hedgehog_@reddit
As an ex Samaritan, I'm sorry that happened to you. They should have given you space to talk about your diagnosis, suicidal or not. They aren't just there for people who are suicidal. Unfortunately though, some volunteers can just be really shit.
fangs4eva96@reddit
Hey, I'm really sorry to read you're struggling and have received this diagnosis.
The Samaritans may not be the best fit unless you do reach a desperate stage. I'd recommend contacting the Macmillan Cancer Trust instead- they also have a support line and also an online chat feature on their website. They would likely be better placed to help you through this difficult time.
Sending you my very best wishes space cat ❤️
SpaceCatSociety@reddit
Thank you, they’re often not open for calls when I most need support though, late at night
fangs4eva96@reddit
Ahh, I'm sorry to hear that! I can see a worker for the samaritans has responded also and that you are indeed welcome to contact them if you need support, so please do this if you need to
Vequihellin@reddit
100% this. I don't think the Samaritans are equipped to support with something like a cancer dx unless the person is considering harming themselves. Macmillan and other cancer support groups have more experience and tools they can signpost callers to for cancer-related support.
SpaceCatSociety@reddit
Yeah I’m sure it’s great if your support needs fall during opening hours. I second MacMillan are great and I’ve had great support from them with many practicalities
changhyun@reddit
Want to second Macmillan. They were so amazing when my dad was diagnosed with mouth cancer. I don't think I could have got through it without the support they gave both him and me.
elliottj6325@reddit
I also had the same experience. I was struggling but felt like they really were not interested and wanting to end the call as quickly as possible. I doubt I'll ever call again, it's a shame as I had hoped it would be a listening ear for people in tough situations.
SpaceCatSociety@reddit
I’m sorry to hear. Yeah the barrier to call is high and I really needed the support
miklovesrum@reddit
I called them when I was suicidal and the person I spoke to was condescending, gave me unhelpful advice (stuff I'd told them I'd tried and didn't work) and "didn't believe" (??) in non-binary people. I didn't feel like I was taken seriously at all. Obviously it's an individual experience and some people find them helpful but it really put me off contacting them in the future.
Aphra_@reddit
I'm really sorry that was your experience - it absolutely shouldn't have been and you deserve better.
The training to become a samaritian is quite intensive and we have annual reviews where an experienced samaritian listens in to our calls and discusses with us how we handled them to ensure quality.
However, as much as they try to ensure consistency and quality its hard when theres over 200 branches in the uk - not that its excusible.
What you reported does not align with how we are trained to handle calls. Specifically, we should not be judgemental or ever express our personal beliefs or opinions - the focus should entirely be on the caller. We should also not offer advice, we're there to listen and help you identify what may help you. Im sorry you had such a poor experience.
forgottenoldusername@reddit
Hey.
Just want to say well done and thanks for answering folks questions and concerns here.
I have my own views, broadly positive, on the Samaritans. But that's not the point - just fair bloody play to you for getting stuck in with these comments - lovely to see someone responding so compassionately like.
Good on you
Aphra_@reddit
Thank you so much for your kind words.
miklovesrum@reddit
Thank you, I appreciate that you took the time to write this <3 Glad to hear that person didn't speak for everyone in the organisation!
KittenFloofStarBeans@reddit
I think they are supposed to be for all kinds of support, but some people are just jerks and unfortunately it seems like that's the type of person you encountered.
I don't think you should let it put you off reaching out for help/support when you need it, but I don't understand how difficult it is to ask for help when you're already feeling vulnerable and I'm so sorry you experienced that.
I did a quick Google search and a lot of people seem to say that SHOUT and MIND seem to be good for offering non judgemental support to people. Both appear to be free, so maybe try them?
I hope you're doing okay today and please take care 💕
budget-lampshade@reddit
Who the hell is down voting this?! I've used Samaritans when I wasn't suicidal but in a really bad way and isolated. I was lucky and they were always great.
Aphra_@reddit
We offer emotional support - not just to those having suicidal thoughts but a lot of our training does have a particular focus on helping those in that moment.
You absolutely can call if you just want to talk to someone about something you're struggling with. We recognise that talking through your emotions with someone who isn't involved and isnt judgemental is massively helpful - and it may be a small helpful step to prevent things getting worse. There is no time limit to how long a samaritian will talk to you if it's proving helpful.
In my earlier comment, when I mentioned thinking about others who may be waiting on the line - I was talking about a very specific scenario when you've spoken for almost an hour and the conversation is starting to circle. As a Samaritan, over time you get an instinct for when talking is no longer helpful for the caller and you've explored the issue in depth and the conversation is starting to repeat itself - important to add that we're also talking about callers who are not in harm or going to harm themselves (from what they've told you).
In those moments, it's hard not to think about callers in urgent risk that might be waiting to speak to someone, so we would look to gently bring the call to an end.
Bgtobgfu@reddit
Maybe she had diarrhoea
maa112@reddit
Curious, sometimes it takes ages to pick up the phone. Is it on auto-calling to pick up the next available caller around the UK or one specific branch?
gabbicat1978@reddit
It tries to connect you to the centre most local to where you're calling from. If they're busy, it routes you to anywhere else until you get an open line. Unfortunately, there are so many people needing this kind of help these days that the phone lines are pretty much constantly full, especially at certain times of day and some specific times of the year. We pick up as quickly as we can, but there simply aren't enough volunteers to have the fast pick ups that we used to be able to provide.
I'm sorry it takes so long for you to get the support you need. Please do keep trying, and don't be discouraged. We want to help you!
maa112@reddit
Thanks for your details response.
Disastrous_Rise4433@reddit (OP)
Thanks a lot for your reply !! That all makes complete sense and I understand that there are other callers in more desperate need but yeah the woman just said she has to cancel the call in the middle of no where and I was pretty confused as to why. Thanks for your reply, hope u have a nice weekend :)
DesignerLaugh5489@reddit
All these replies to your comment are valid but I just want to say, if I hadn't spoken to Samaritans all those years back I would have ended my life. The patient and kind person at the end of the phone is the reason I'm still here
sparkysmonkey@reddit
As a Samaritan too this is all I was going to say.
Calm_Investment@reddit
Calls can drop also. I've had calls suddenly end mid call for no apparent reason.
The phone system itself may have a hiccup.
fickle_tartan@reddit
The Samaritan did tell them they were going to hang up so I don't think it was a phone system issue.
Hunni_Bee@reddit
They may of had an emergency happening, or child/someone that they are a caregiver to, woken up and needed immediate attention. It doesn’t sound like it was a you issue, it sounds like something needed their attention urgently.
CactusPug@reddit
I called after me and my ex broke up. At the time I had been struggling with depression for a while after he had cheated on me (we stayed together 6 more months after he gaslit me into believing I was to blame for his decisions). When I was speaking to Samaritans at my lowest point and we were on the topic of him, the caller (male) said “that sounds like he’d been putting up with a lot from you doesn’t it?”
I hung up right away, i couldnt believe the lack of support. Prior to that i had been in touch with them a few years prior and the lady I had spoken to couldnt have been lovelier. I wish I’d thought to report him to be honest but I was so gobsmacked by his response.
cmrndzpm@reddit
I had a terrible experience with a male call handler when I rang once too, never rang again despite being in need several times after that.
Disastrous_Rise4433@reddit (OP)
Shit !! That’s awful
Alternative-Bug406@reddit
I remember calling the Samaritans from the top of a bridge. We spoke for around 40 minutes and they told me they likely won't change my mind so they will hang up the call now. 30 seconds later I jumped. I wanted someone to speak to to help me see sense but it was all 'I can tell you are really distressed right now but I can not stop you hurting yourself if that is what you want to do'. I just wanted someone to tell me I didn't deserve to hurt. They are a waste of time.
BlackberryBramble920@reddit
As an ex-Samaritan, volunteers aren’t meant to provide advice… you can help the caller view things from different perspectives, but can’t officially convince them not to harm themselves as you have to respect the caller’s autonomy. Definitely one of the most difficult parts of the role I found, as I became a Samaritan to stop people acting on these thoughts
paulbrock2@reddit
damn thats awful, I hope you're doing better now
zephyrthewonderdog@reddit
Probably just had other things to do. You are overthinking it. Maybe she had to pick up children? Maybe she was going for a meal with her partner? Maybe she had a train to catch?
Don’t take it personally. She was probably 20-30 mins past her finishing time and needed to go.
No_Carry_6131@reddit
Why would she not say so then? It’s the abruptness the OP is confused about.
Disastrous_Rise4433@reddit (OP)
Yeah, it was all very sudden. It did get to a point where I’d stopped crying and was sorta okay so I understand if they need to take other calls or go about their day but just was so abrupt in the convo.
External-Praline-451@reddit
If it was really abrupt, I expect they had something personal going on - desperate for the bathroom or suddenly feeling ill/ sick/ dizzy, for example? I once had to end a work call a bit like that due to feeling faint, I couldn't even think straight to excuse myself properly. The person was pissed off, too, and called back!
Hope you're doing ok OP.
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
Unfortunately it's impossible to know not only because we don't have a transcript, but there's a million things that could happen to cause this. The call might have dropped for a technical reason even. Happened to me when I was in a call centre relatively frequently and it's far more likely to happen when you've been on for ages.
SF_FFS@reddit
She probably had to urgently poo.
Far_wide@reddit
Maybe she just felt you were suitably reassured and had to take other calls?
PurchaseDry9350@reddit
The call shouldn't have been ended without explaining the reason and so abruptly too
MayIJustAsk@reddit
Samaritans are fucking useless.
I was going through a really, really tough time.
Didn’t know who else to ring, I had everything infront of me so I could ingest enough to end it.
Rang them up and said I’m really struggling, this could be it, I don’t want to be here anymore…
The lady goes ‘aww, don’t you have any family or friends you can talk to?’
…….no. I fucking don’t. You want me to ring my mum up and say I’m thinking very seriously about killing myself? I’ve got everything here infront of me to do it right now?
I just laughed and hung up.
Evadenly@reddit
The way youre speaking to the other person in replies, youdid her the favour. Shed have been abused by you had you stayed
MayIJustAsk@reddit
Felt good writing that, did ya?
Evadenly@reddit
The truth? Yeah
MayIJustAsk@reddit
Enjoy your weekend mate
stoptelephoningme-e@reddit
This is a really strange perspective to have, assuming you’re somewhat more mentally stable now. She was probably trying to establish your situation in her mind to better understand your circumstances. You likely would’ve had a better experience if you stayed on the line, or at the very least if you didn’t hang up after one question. I understand you may have been in a bad mindset and understand why you may have hung up over that question. But urge you to try again if you ever need them and give it a chance, or at least not to publish things like this online given the fact it may put other vulnerable people off accessing a service that is generally considered, and I anecdotally consider, to be quite helpful.
MayIJustAsk@reddit
I mean… I did explain my situation, that was her response.
The reason I rung them is because I had no one else. That’s why a lot of people ring them up right?
To be asked ‘can’t you talk to someone else’ made me feel as tho she couldn’t really be arsed with dealing with me at that time.
Thankfully I didn’t go through with it, clearly, but she really made me feel like even if I did ring someone else - they wouldn’t have given a shit either. Obviously that isn’t true, that’s why I’m still here - because people do give a shit, I couldn’t do that to my mum.
It’s literally a Samaritans job to give a shit. Or at least pretend to, even if they get off the phone and go ‘fucking hell that was a bad one’ y’know?
I’m not saying they might not be helpful for others, that was just my one and only experience of them and I shan’t be using them again.
stoptelephoningme-e@reddit
But she wasn’t asking you to talk to somebody else. She was asking if there’s anybody else you can talk to AFTER the call. Because you can’t sit on a phone call forever, and one phone call won’t magically make everything better either. She was likely trying to see if you have a more permanent support network you can identify for the future.
MayIJustAsk@reddit
That isn’t how she phrased it, and that’s not how I took it in the state i was in at the time.
But yeah, cool. You know the situation better than me clearly (y)
stoptelephoningme-e@reddit
Sounds like she didn’t phrase it in any way other than as a neutral enquiry
MayIJustAsk@reddit
Christ, I’m paraphrasing for the sake of the comment.
Would you like me to run through the entire conversation we had? Or were you listening in so you know exactly what was said? Her tone? The precise words passed between us? My exact mental state? What I had infront of me to finish the job?
That’s the experience I had, it wasn’t good.
I’m allowed to voice both good and bad experiences I’ve had, we’re on Reddit.
I’m sorry you don’t like that I’m ’bad mouthing’ Samaritans, but they weren’t there for me when I needed someone to talk to.
stoptelephoningme-e@reddit
They could’ve been if you didn’t hang up the phone over a question. I already said that I’m sure your mental state was a contributing factor toward that decision. And I sincerely hope you are doing better now.
MayIJustAsk@reddit
I am yeah, no thanks to Samaritans!! (Haha kidding!!)
But yeah, just felt like I was being palmed off at the time I guess. Is what it is tho, I’m out the other side thank goodness and in a much better place
stoptelephoningme-e@reddit
I’m glad- genuinely. Been there myself a few times too and it always feels impossible to find a way out. So I’m always happy when I hear people have also gotten out of it :)
MayIJustAsk@reddit
Crazy how things can seem so bleak and inescapable at one point and then just a couple years down the line one can be doing better than ever. Even tho at the time ‘couple of years’ seems like a fucking lifetime.
I’ll never forget the Robin Williams saying (I doubt he coined it but def said it)
‘Taking your own life is a permanent solution to a temporary problem’
Kinda makes me think yeah, I should at least try and turn this round. So I did. I’m sure my mum’s glad I did at least lol
ObiGwanKenobi@reddit
Probably ran out of credit. Samaritans are scum anyway, charging people at the lowest just to talk, and its like £3 a minute too. Plus they are useless. There are better options out there.
Call_Me_Janice@reddit
Phone calls to Samaritans on 116 123 are free
ObiGwanKenobi@reddit
Not in the UK. That aint even a UK number.
glasgowgeg@reddit
Is contacting you free?
Yes.
On the phone
This number is free to call from both landlines and mobiles, including pay-as-you-go mobiles. You do not need to have any credit or call allowance on your plan to call 116 123.
stoptelephoningme-e@reddit
Call it and find out? That is their number. They don’t charge. It doesn’t even come up on phone bills as far as I’m aware, firstly because it’s free and secondly to preserve anonymity.
flexo_24@reddit
Calling Samaritans is free…
Worth_Gap4226@reddit
Don't really have anything else to add that others haven't already. But I'd gladly hear you out for an hour on the phone if you are struggling.
Bitter_Exercise_6450@reddit
Could it possibly be that they have realised who you were and with all information you shared and it was last minute or so of the call that you said something that they would have regretted?
Evadenly@reddit
What do you mean?
Evadenly@reddit
When I called crisis, they went "well what do you want?"...it was the first call to them that night (was under them bc depression was bad) as I was actively harming myself at that moment. Despite it being what I'd been told to do, they royally fuxked it up. I told them that it didn't matter bc I'd hopefully be dead soon enough. It took them two days to return the call, as it was 'dropped', and I answered from hospital with a "yeah, i did what itold you i was going to do"
Transcripts were pulled bc it was an SI, but nothing came from it my side. Perhaps you could ask for something like that?
Solo-me@reddit
Some1 I know called and no1 picked up.... True story
sapphire-sky-dragon@reddit
This is why id never call them doing that would make feel worse especially if I knew they just wanted to go home 😫
Sea-Ganache-4330@reddit
They aren’t great, I’ve only called once, she said ‘keep your chin up’ but they are volunteers. Inbox wide open if you want to talk xxx
Bloomingdale2025@reddit
50 minutes is quite a long time.
Grand_Equipment5292@reddit
Might have really needed a wee...
Formal-Proposal7850@reddit
Exactly. My thoughts immediately went to: needed the loo, had a medical situation or emergency, desperately needed to eat or drink something; weird or scary noises outside…
RoofPreader@reddit
My thinking exactly. I nearly shit myself when I worked in a call centre trying to finish up on a complicated call...!
beeurd@reddit
A colleague of mine had a complaint made against them because they had to end a call due to the fire alarm going off.
blacksheeping@reddit
That would have made it more complicated.
MassiveApples@reddit
Exactly what I was thinking!
BG3restart@reddit
I was going to say this too.
alexbrown7777@reddit
Yeah
Poo_Poo_La_Foo@reddit
Drop them an email? Include your phone number. They can find the call and give you context.
snavej1@reddit
One person's friendly chat is another person's offensive remarks. Reference: the HR Department and online mods!
Avon_gent@reddit
Can't really say without you providing more or less verbatim what you said.
Disastrous_Rise4433@reddit (OP)
We were mainly talking about my past, my childhood, my mother and how all such has affected me in the current. Nothing to in detail too much but also nothing left unsaid, and she seemed very talkative and more interested than the woman I had previously spoke to when I rang before so it was out of the blue to not carry on the convo. (I think her shift had most likely ended and that’s why she had to hang up) I’m not sure
django_undead@reddit
As a listening volunteer myself I would say it's unlikely she hung up just because her shift ended. We are discouraged from taking calls too close to the end of our shift for that reason but even if calls over run we generally would make every effort to end the call naturally before hanging up. There's likely to be another explanation. I really hope this experience hasn't put you (or anyone else) using the Samaritans service.
harrywise64@reddit
This call was 50 minutes long though. Would you leave a gap that long before the end of your shift in case someone ran over?
django_undead@reddit
Some say 45 minutes but it's more of a guideline than a hard and fast rule.
ihateyournan@reddit
Maybe it started to turn into a conversation that is better placed for a therapist? Eg you were no longer in distress and talking about your past etc so the Samaritan needed to take other more urgent calls?
JennyW93@reddit
For what it’s worth, the only time I managed to ring the Samaritans, the woman said “for goodness sake” and hung up on me almost immediately because I was crying too hard to get the words out right away haha. I’m glad you got more of a conversation out first and sorry you were hung up on. Hope you’re doing okay!
Happy-Doughnut-5125@reddit
I wonder if they misinterpreted the sound of you crying for... something else. Helplines get a lot of masturbation calls unfortunately and if she'd had several in a row she might have thought it was the same person hassling her.
fredyouareaturtle@reddit
Thoughtless, idiotic behavior
JennyW93@reddit
It was so fast that my immediate impression was that she must have just come off a string of prank or abusive calls, so I didn’t really take it personally (I worked for a different help line at the time, so I was familiar with the not insignificant number of weirdos who abuse these services). It was literally “Samaritans, can I help you?”, sharp intake of breath and a blub from me, “for goodness sake!” and hang up.
Ended up just emailing in the end, which wasn’t ideal for being in immediate distress, but to be honest the shock of the hang up snapped me out of it a bit anyway haha
fredyouareaturtle@reddit
How incredibly frustrating.
Disastrous_Rise4433@reddit (OP)
That’s awful haha, thank you :)
EntrepreneurAway419@reddit
WOW. My friend volunteered as a Samaritan, not 100% sure why as she was at the start of a 10 year battle with crippling depression (she's okay now!) but her review of the service was pretty insane.
Not just the people calling in but things like you're saying and how the supervisor would probably have responded to the Samaritan with, 'what could you do better next time?' Rather than, 'don't you think that was massively inappropriate and could have influenced something realllly bad happening?'
Hope you're doing okay!
JennyW93@reddit
Given how quickly it happened, I can only assume the woman had just had a string of prank or abusive calls, so I didn’t take it too personally or anything. It was just a bit stunning
changhyun@reddit
You've got a good soul for assuming the best rather than the worst.
TheOrchidsAreAlright@reddit
Do you think that feedback would be helpful to a volunteer's progression? I would argue that judgement and guilt aren't going to be the best teaching aids.
callisstaa@reddit
Yeah they’re still people hoping a job at the end of the day. Of all the people to come to Reddit and rag on the Samaritans seems a bit low.
EntrepreneurAway419@reddit
I'd say they probably shouldn't be volunteering somewhere like that with that attitude
TheOrchidsAreAlright@reddit
Obviously we're only getting one side of all these interactions and I don't know all the ins and outs. But I'd imagine the person training volunteers isn't meant to make a snap call on whether a volunteer is the right sort of person.
MedicalHoneydew4534@reddit
That sounds really disorienting, especially when you're in a vulnerable state. It's understandable to feel confused when the closure you expected wasn't provided. While it's possible the volunteer had a personal emergency or their shift ended, the lack of explanation is the hardest part. I hope this experience doesn't put you off reaching out for support again.
Disastrous_Rise4433@reddit (OP)
Thanks a lot for your reply, it hasn’t put me off using them again thankfully but was just confused as to why they ended the call.
gabbicat1978@reddit
Samaritan here also.
Along with all the excellent advice and information that's been offered here by several volunteers, I feel like it's important to say to anyone who has a bad experience on the phone lines that you do not have to stay with the person who first picks up your call if you do not feel comfortable talking to them.
You can try to explain your reasons, but you don't have to do that. You can simply put down the phone and call back until you reach a different volunteer. You have no obligations to any of us except to be reasonable and to not be offensive. That's it.
We are all human, we are all very different and have different styles of conversation when it comes to talking to our callers and, yes, there are some people working on these lines who are objectively bad at what they do. That's unavoidable unfortunately, as it's just human nature, but the bad ones do eventually get weeded out for the most part (the problem with that is that the helplines are intentionally untraceable, due to the nature of some of the calls we take, and calls are not recorded, even for training purposes. So once a volunteer has completed their training and mentoring period, unless another volunteer overhears what they're saying to a caller, it's hard to police those conversations. So all we can do is give the same great training to everyone, and keep as close an eye on our fellow volunteers as we can so we can best support them and our callers).
So, even for those who are very good at our jobs, there will always be some callers who simply don't get along with our style or flow, or simply don't like the sound of our voice. No good volunteer will ever be offended if you say you need to call back to talk to someone else. I promise you.
(I'll reiterate here some things that others have already touched on, that in OPs case it does sound as though there are several possible reasons for the ending of their call by this volunteer, all of which are entirely reasonable, but that a reason should certainly have been offered and the way it was done could have been softer and more in tune with the situation. But several people in the comments have described bad or unpleasant experiences they've had with samaritans volunteers in the past so I thought it was important to say that you do not have to stick with the first volunteer you speak to, and please, please try again as often as you need/want to because there are so many of us who want to support you in your time of need, and we will always try our very best to do that.)
TLDR; If you don't like the volunteer, put the phone down and call back until you get someone else. Please do not be discouraged by poor or unsatisfactory experiences. We WANT to support you. We give up our time for free in a high stress environment to do that, and it pains most of us when we hear that some callers have been failed in that mission. Don't give up, we do care, I promise.
CulturalFlatworm1216@reddit
I wonder if there’s perhaps a time limit on calls to free operators up for other callers? Might be worth emailing them to ask if you’re worried and want clarification Hope you’re doing okay and feeling better x
Disastrous_Rise4433@reddit (OP)
Thanks for your reply, I’m doing okay just needed a hefty chat. It says that they do not typically hang up on callers unless they are abusive / sexual in conversation, so I find it bizarre as I was neither of those things. But it is what it is. The woman on the phone was very nice and I got a lot of my chest just confused as to why she ended the call. But yes maybe there is a time limit or she had finished her shift. All is well, just intrigued as it didn’t seem right. :)
Lexcisia@reddit
Getting "a lot off your chest" during the course of 50 minutes would be overwhelming to anyone, but how long were you expecting to be on the call for?
Over 50 mins seems like a huge block of time to expect an unpaid volunteer to dedicate their emotional labor to with no break.
oscarx-ray@reddit
When I called them, I wasn't suicidal (or inappropriate) but I needed to talk some things out. I didn't want to end the call because a nice person was listening to me and talking without judgement.
I think we got to a point where I had got it all off my chest and they wrapped me up - but not abruptly.
If they did it abruptly to you, I can only imagine that they were inexperienced and didn't wrap up as well as they could have, or did it by accident. They have no incentive to cut your call - they volunteer for the job because they want to help.
oscarx-ray@reddit
To be clear, "not suicidal" in this instance was - "I'm not going to kill myself, but I want to die". I wasn't wasting their time.
UnrightableWrong@reddit
I just want to say: whatever the reason, which seems unrelated to your behaviour towards the Samaritan, please don't let this episode deter you from calling them again if you are in distress and need support in the future. All the best, OP.
Ok-Personality-6630@reddit
She probably had to do something. Aren't they volunteers? They do have lives too
JoBoSoMo@reddit
Without more context its hard to say. However, usually when callers are 'circling' and repeating the same information it's an indication that it's time to end the call so they can process it afterwards. I've often had to do this on long calls in helpline roles- by continuing it, it doesnt benefit either party and can be very draining for the listener. 50 minutes is about right for a length of call.
iolaus79@reddit
I don't think I'd call telling someone that you have to finish the call as hanging up.
I'd count hanging up as no warning just line goes dead
pineappleshampoo@reddit
As an ex Samaritan, there’s no official time limit but volunteers are encouraged to consider ending the call after 50m. The idea being that often by that point most things have been covered so it can become less productive, it’s a long time for the caller if they’re in distress, and it enables them to answer a call to someone else in need. There’s also something around dependency and not promoting it as a space to chit chat, rather it’s for emotional support when someone is in distress. It’s not mandatory by any means but the training does say that’s roughly the max a call should be unless there’s a strong reason to continue.
Ideally Samaritans will have more skill in kindly bringing the call to a close, though of course we only have OP’s interpretation and not a transcript.
Tattycakes@reddit
Can you explain more about how the fellow samaritan shift thing works, someone mentioned a buddy system? So they can't leave you on your own with someone, are there not new people coming in to take over the next shift who could support you after your buddy finishes shift?
pineappleshampoo@reddit
You’re always on shift with another Sam. Some branches that are busy enough will always have someone coming in for the next shift so that would be fine but in others they don’t cover 24/7 so when you’re done you both lock up and leave.
You also have to speak to your shift leader at the end to let them know about the shift and how it went so if you’re due to finish at say 1am and your leader is waiting up for you, I can see not wanting to stay on until 2am as you’re impacting other people.
Aphra_@reddit
Samaritian here - theres no time limit on calls.
schmoolet@reddit
Thank you for everything you do and give. I just turned 50 and have called about a dozen times in my life; the last being just a few months ago.
I have no words for how incredible every person I have spoken to has been. You have all got me through some very difficult moments and my gratitude is through the roof.
I regularly donate as a thank you, but to you and any other Samaritan reading this - thank you for saving lives and sanity on a daily basis. 🙏🏻❤️
Aphra_@reddit
Thank you for your kind words - when we end a call you're often left wondering how someone is and whether they'll be okay but you never really know. So rewarding to hear we've helped you.
WowThisIsAwkward_@reddit
Don't think there's a time limit. I was on a call with a volunteer for nearly 3 hours until my phone died. I didn't even realise it was that long until I checked the call log later on.
Vequihellin@reddit
Other posters make excellent points about possible reasons, but there are also more practical reasons - it's possible the building they were in had to be evacuated due to a fire alarm (for example) and they weren't in a position to spend time wrapping up the call. I used to work on a technical support desk and if the fire alarm went off, we'd have to end the calls, lock our workstations and leave immediately. We weren't allowed to tell the client there was a fire alarm (I have no idea why, we just weren't - our manager had some very odd rules). It's also possible there was another emergency situation - call handlers aren't immune to medical emergencies - it's not impossible that your call handler or the person they were with was experiencing an emergency themselves. We cannot know for sure, only speculate, which I know is small comfort.
ElegantWest6681@reddit
The guidance for Samaritans is if their shift partner indicates they are dealing with an active suicide call they would end their call promptly, telling the caller that there’s an emergency and to call back. That listener would go assist/support the listener dealing with that call.
Disastrous_Rise4433@reddit (OP)
That makes sense !! It just was very abrupt and she gave no reason to end the call so I was just confused. Thanks for the reply :)
-fight-milk-@reddit
Been hung up on the Samaritans before as well. An hour later I tried to end it. That was 5 months ago. Keep trying to talk. Maybe not the Samaritans again, but anyone who will listen. Stay strong, head up. You’ll get what you need in time, keep working.
DiamondL0st@reddit
Hope you're doing better now mate 👍
bluepushkin@reddit
The Samaritans hung up on my suicidal brother a couple of years ago. Told him he was wasting their time 2mins into the phone call. He proceeded to overdose.
NnNoodle88@reddit
It could be one of the many reasons others have listed (toilet, shift, crisis, etc) or quite simply they could have just simply been a bit of an arse? I have a lot of phone anxiety (audhd brain here with cptsd) and the ONE time I ever worked up the balls to call Samaritans was last year when I was massively struggling after finding out some horrible things had happened to my little girl. I called up sobbing, explained what had happened and how I was feeling unable to cope and that everything was too awful and hard. And the guy on the end of the phone was just so cold. And we were on the phone less than thirty minutes and he was just “huh, oh, that’s tough” and said something along the lines of that as long as the police are aware and hope things work out and hung up. Now, I know my situation was a heavy one, maybe it upset him, I don’t know. But no questions of am I thinking of harming myself or taking my life, no are you safe, nada. Not even anything about how I was feeling or questions about me and how I’m coping and what makes me happy, grounds me, anchors, etc Suffice to say it put me off and sort of confirmed my anxieties about calling helplines, although I can sort of rationalise it is more than likely one “bad” egg/he was having a bad day or something and not all call operators are like that.
stoptelephoningme-e@reddit
While they can ask if you’re thinking of self harm or suicide, they’re weary of speaking for you and are meant to let you verbalise things the best way you see fit. I used to find the “that’s tough” slightly irritating but it’s ultimately a service to help you feel supported and listened to, not to provide advice.
NnNoodle88@reddit
Oh no I absolutely get it and it wouldn’t be right for someone to speak for somebody in that situation at all. It was more so the fact that I was so upset and verbalising that I couldn’t take it, I couldn’t do it anymore, etc and was distressed and he did no safeguarding questions which a crisis service is meant to do. If for example that call had been my last hope at reassurance before doing something permanent (as I very much was thinking of) it could have been a disaster. That in hindsight is what rubs me the wrong way. But again, there could have been something going on with him at the other end, it could have been a bad day for him, triggered him in some way, etc I don’t know. It’s a shame. But fortunately I was in my car and after that call with Samaritans my boyfriend called, could tell I was upset and talking with him pulled me out of the point I was at in that moment.
stoptelephoningme-e@reddit
I’m glad that despite the experience you were able to come out of that head space. I do feel like sometimes there is an atmosphere of over-caution-ness from the service. It can sometimes feel incredibly detached.
venuswasaflytrap@reddit
I have found Samaritans pretty unhelpful generally, both from the amount of time you're on hold to get through to them, and then the quality of support that is offered.
I'm sure it's because they're understaffed and overworked, but it doesn't make the experience any better.
lungbong@reddit
Not a Samaritan but I have worked in a call centre role before and had to end calls abruptly or seen others end them abruptly for the following reasons:
Fire alarm
Colleague taken ill
Someone breaking in to my car
Nosebleed
Power cut (we had UPS on the phone system but not our PCs)
blackthornjohn@reddit
All I have to offer is that it probably wasn't anything you said or did, the person at the other end is only human and might not have been able to handle the situation you described or were having a minor crisis themselves, like wetting themselves or trying to prevent it. They recieve the best training available but they are just people like you and everyone else here and we all occasionally fail, try not to think of this as something you did or caused because honestly, that's the least likely explanation.
Accomplished_Unit863@reddit
In my time as a Samaritans listening volunteer, I never once heard of anyone ending a call abruptly. If we were on calls when our shift ended, we never ended the call, you stayed on until the call came to a natural end. It wasn't unusual to be on a call as long as 50 minutes, but we were encouraged to bring the conversation to a conclusion if it was going on a long time and going in circles, but not if it was obvious the caller still needed us to listen.
Unfortunately as some people say here, I took many crank and sex calls during my time.
orionprincess1234@reddit
I’ve called Samaritans twice in my life and both were horrible experiences. Staff on both occasions sounded unapproachable, tired and fed up. I immediately hung up both times.
BassPhil@reddit
How're you doing now? Glad you made it through anyway.
orionprincess1234@reddit
I’m a lot better, no thanks to the NHS mental health services! Luckily I was diagnosed with AuDHD before the recent hate campaign against disabilities and ADHD medication has had some positive impact on my depression.
tiny_tina1979@reddit
50 minutes is a very long time. Was the conversation producing anything effective? Was any advice acted on or were there barriers and negatives just put up? Or were you in the middle of a worthwhile breakthrough conversation? At some point you have to help yourself.
LockeddownFFS@reddit
First off. Thanks to all the Samaritan volunteers, it's a wonderful service you provide to those in need.
It must have felt awful after talking to the volunteer for so long. It's easy to take something like this personally when you are distressed, important to remember there could be 100 reasons for it that were nothing to do with you.
No_Height_2408@reddit
Fire alarm?
rinkydinkmink@reddit
Absolute lies. Myself and other friends of mine have also had Samaritans hang up on us, repeatedly. Usually within the first few minutes of a call. Sometimes they have even rejected the call on the grounds that "we are here for people with real problems", for example when I said that I was suicidal and that part of the reason was that my house needed a new roof (actually the house was unfit for human habitation). I assume that they just thought I was some middle-class whiner, but actually I was put on Section 3 the following day for severe psychosis. They've used the same line on other people I know, or conversely told them that they're problems are too complex (child sexual abuse survivor). Last time I called, they hung up almost immediately, with no explanation at all, and I honestly couldn't think of anything I'd said that would have prompted it. I was sectioned that time as well (Sec 3 again, severe psychosis).
I always warn people about this when I see people recommend phoning the Samaritans, especially when I see them being told "they never ever hang up and will always listen to". Complete bullshit, and all I can think is that they have some volunteers that really aren't very good at their jobs and have prejudices about what's "worth" listening to.
147Link@reddit
Could there have been a fire alarm you couldn’t hear? I never worked for the Samaritans but I worked in other call centres and if the fire alarm went off, we’d have to just apologise and abruptly end the call, no matter how inconvenient or uncomfortable that was, to evacuate the building.
That being said, you can totally email them and ask about this so you can A. Report it, if the call handler needs more training on ending on a call with vulnerable people and B. Maybe get clarity, so you know it’s not personal and there was a reason behind it.
I know how low I’ve had to be to ring the Samaritans and I hope you’re okay. It’s most likely nothing personal at all. Just hope you can keep talking and get the support you need.
Tsarinya@reddit
I’ve had really poor experiences with the Samaritans so I don’t use them anymore. I’m sorry this happened to you ❤️
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Sea-Still5427@reddit
There could be several possibilities - she may have had to run and support a colleague dealing with an emergency call, or may have felt the call was circling and covering the same ground, or even was coming to the end of her shift - but it sounds like it felt abrupt from your side so perhaps she didn't manage it as well as she could have in the moment. Try not to worry about it and call them again if you need to.
If you HAD been abusive, your number would probably be blocked and you'd get a recorded message, so if you get through you'll know it wasn't that!
SteamerTheBeemer@reddit
Maybe you could call back and ask? I know they may not be able to answer but you could try.
One thing you should know though, is this isn’t anything to do with you. Providing you weren’t abusive which you obviously said you weren’t.
It’s that lady’s problem and you shouldn’t dwell on it. You didn’t do anything wrong and if you ring back, you’ll be through to someone else who should be able to help you better.
JennyW93@reddit
It was so fast that my immediate impression was that she must have just come off a string of prank or abusive calls, so I didn’t really take it personally (I worked for a different help line at the time, so I was familiar with the not insignificant number of weirdos who abuse these services). It was literally “Samaritans, can I help you?”, sharp intake of breath and a blub from me, “for goodness sake!” and hang up.
Ended up just emailing in the end, which wasn’t ideal for being in immediate distress, but to be honest the shock of the hang up snapped me out of it a bit anyway haha
eufemiapiccio77@reddit
Didn’t they close all the regional offices for budget cuts? It’ll be ran more like a call center now which is sad to say.
Miserable_Bug_5671@reddit
No, that hasn't happened. It was a consultation document only.
etymoticears@reddit
Not happened yet - will be a disaster if they do it
Super_Ordinary_7235@reddit
Sometimes if the conversation becomes circular, it becomes unproductive for the caller as it starts to reinforce negative thinking so the Samaritan will bring the conversation to a close. It's unlikely she would have ended the call due to a shift change as that's not the training. It sounds like the way the ending of the call was handled distressed you further, and I know that would never have been the intention of the Samaritan on your call. If this keeps being on your mind, please do ring them back and talk it through with them. Despite the training, they do sometimes get it wrong.
(ex-Sam)
etymoticears@reddit
I'm a Sam too. Most likely reason is circling I would say after 50 minutes, but obviously impossible to know. It is sometimes tricky to wind a call up if the caller is talking a lot and it's hard to speak. Not saying this is what happened but occasionally - when the caller won't allow you to wrap up or even say very much at all - you have to be somewhat abrupt.
Super_Ordinary_7235@reddit
Yeah, I experienced that too. And it's so hard to do and I always felt terrible afterwards.
etymoticears@reddit
Yes it feels not great!
Sagegreenlama@reddit
If you spoke for an entire therapy session and she said goodbye I wouldn’t consider that hanging up on you
kurubaklava@reddit
I hope you’re feeling better now 🌸
keelekingfisher@reddit
The one time I called them they hung up on me after less than a minute.
User88885@reddit
I've been hung up on 20 or so seconds into a call by the Samaritans. Which is quite annoying when you want to end it all and you've had to wait 12 minutes to get through to someone. I've only called them a few times they've never helped feel better tbh. But I guess other people must have better experiences with them as it is recommended a lot for people struggling with mental health
SallyJaneCooper@reddit
Sudden upset tummy and had to run for the loo fast? When the loose/irritated bowel starts to evacuate you don't have much time to wrap up a conversation. You hold tight and trot. That's why it's called "the scoots".
Besides she didn't exactly hang up on you. "Hang up" means to just hang up with nothing said. She wrapped up the call.
If you need more time perhaps you should seek out a counselor who has set times so you'll know how long you have to unload. The Samaritans are swamped.
dinkidoo7693@reddit
Powercut in her local area maybe?
Fit_General7058@reddit
Maybe she had an emergency at home, or with herself. Maybe your problems set off feelings in her.
Itll be more than her shift was over
fleck57@reddit
As far as I’m aware Samaritans are there to help you in times where you’re having a bad moment and in the hope it doesn’t escalate. Maybe they felt like they did their job and that the call turned into more of a chat or a therapy session, which their purpose isn’t to have long chats but like when you call 999, to help our in times of emergency
Cheese_Dinosaur@reddit
Are you okay, friend? I’m wondering if, and this is only going by what I know of the Samaritans in my town, she had a physical disability and as she obviously can’t disclose anything about herself to you just had to end the call in regards to that? The Samaritans are wonderful, I called them a lot when I was a victim of DA 30 years ago. I hope you’re feeling a little better today. 🩷
avalanchefan95@reddit
Good shout here actually, real possibility
Betweentheminds@reddit
It may have been nothing to do with you. A close family friend who volunteers for Samaritans has a 90 year old mother. She tries not to let it interfere but she has occasionally had to leave mid shift if her Mum has had a bad fall or similar.
GuybrushFunkwood@reddit
With no given context of the conversation whatsoever it could be she had more pressing calls to take.
I mean yeh if you were going through a traumatic event then hanging up probably wasn’t helpful, but if you were wasting her time talking about your toast preference for nearly an hour, then that’s time another woman needing genuine help isn’t getting
seven_green_toes@reddit
Maybe she really needed a wee?
Mr4528@reddit
Maybe the conversation was too close to home for them.
sockeyejo@reddit
Maybe there was a fire alarm or someone collapsed and they needed to make room for paramedics.
Sometimes it's not about us as clients/patients.
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