Looking to get my ppl for fun. I have access to a Cessna 182 through a friend. Would be near dfw area. Any advice on just hiring an independent CFI vs a school. Is that a better way to go?
Posted by Living-Ad-6029@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 26 comments
us1549@reddit
I would argue the 182 may be too much plane to learn in
Eightohfour_@reddit
I did all my ratings except multi in a 182. You learn to fly the plane you’re flying and it’s not so bad.
nolaflygirl@reddit
I'm amazed that your CFI wasn't worried that you'd get into trouble practicing stalls by yourself in the practice area in the 182!
nolaflygirl@reddit
Yep.
3Green1974@reddit
You should see what the military uses.
draggingmytail@reddit
People used to learn in Stearmans. You can’t beat free.
Living-Ad-6029@reddit (OP)
I didn't even consider that. May be a good point. I'm not entirely green to being in airplanes. In my 30s now. But I grew up in Alaska and spent a lot of time flying in float planes out of lake hood. Specifically a 182 on floats. Should have just follow all my high school Buddies and got my ppl after college. They are all killing it at the major airlines
Playing baseball was more important than becoming a pilot at the time haha
nolaflygirl@reddit
First off, my concern is you, or any beginner, training in a high-performance airplane like the 182! Yikes!
The 182 is what pilots transition to, usually AFTER getting their PPL. It's not meant to train people who haven't logged ANY flight hrs.
Whereas, the 172 was built to be a trainer. It's easy to fly bc it responds gently, has light controls, has a lower landing speed, & is FORGIVING of beginners who are just learning to coordinate turns, manage airspeeds, etc.
The 182 is heavier, faster, & can easily OVERWHELM a beginning student. It is LESS forgiving, thus less safe for a beginner.
It is a LOT of plane & is very nose heavy. You will trim for that, but still heavy to flare. Most GA beginners start out w/ a 152 or 172. You don't have to worry about paying for the plane, but I think it would be WISE to start out in a 172 for the reasons cited.
I was the only female at the a/p when I started flying & we ALL started w/ the 152 to learn the basics. Then, many of us transitioned to the 172 after soloing. But not everyone. Some guys, even w/ VA benefits, stayed in the 152 through their PPL bc it was so easy to learn in & do stalls in, etc.
I got checked out in the 172 for my 1st xc bc I wanted a faster plane. I had no problem w/ it & flew the 172 for my PPL checkride. However, one of the male students in his mid-40s, was inconsistent w/ it even after his PPL. So the 172 is plenty enough airplane for any beginner.
I didn't fly the 182 until I was working on my CPL. And let me tell you...I was VERY surprised at how heavy it was! And I had more than your average flying experience under my belt by then bc I worked at the flight school pt-time, so I got opportunities to fly right seat on trips w/ CFIs as a PPL student to ferry planes, etc., that the regular students didn't get bc I was there & available.
Now, since you haven't ever handled ANY of these, you can't compare the 182 w/ anything else, but it's likely to create a very difficult learning curve.
I don't care how physically strong or how adept someone is at learning something new...the 182 has too much to deal with. Just learning to fly in a 152 or 172 requires a lot of focus & practice as a beginner.
Then, once you solo, you'll fly to the practice area BY YOURSELF w/ hardly any flight time, practicing STALLS in a high performance airplane! No thank you! This is a recipe for a disaster for a PPL student IMHO.
Please update us on how your training is progressing, & if you started in the 182 or something else. TYIA & good luck!
vtjohnhurt@reddit
Don't shop for by price for your CFI. Some of the higher price indi-CFIs will know how to move you through training efficiently.
Rangeexpert3@reddit
A C182 is a great transport plane for personal use. Not necessarily the best trainer. A 172 would be a lot better to train in.
jet-setting@reddit
Your friend is going to let you do primary training in that plane? Better check the insurance rates, they will probably double for a student pilot solo on the policy.
Living-Ad-6029@reddit (OP)
Yeah. He looked into it said it wouldn't be a problem.
jet-setting@reddit
Cool. Well thats nice.
A 182 is a lot of airplane to learn in. It’s certainly doable but it may just take longer. You can probably expect a quality independent instructor to charge a higher rate for that airplane since fewer CFIs generally will be proficient to teach in it.
I would probably recommend a flight school in a basic trainer and then do a couple hours learning the 182 after you have your license.
Either way it will just depend really on scheduling and pricing. Will your buddy let you use the plane for free? Or just a cheap(ish) hourly?
Living-Ad-6029@reddit (OP)
For free
jet-setting@reddit
Can’t beat free!
Go for it, or you may consider 2-5 lessons at a school with a more basic 172 just to sort out the fundamentals first.
But thats a heck of a deal. Depending on your area, I’d probably expect to pay $80-100/hr for an experienced CFI.
Living-Ad-6029@reddit (OP)
After hearing others say similar about the 182. I'm definitely Going to look into that. Thanks
fender8421@reddit
This is the sign of a good pilot right here
BoseSounddock@reddit
Is your friend looking for a friend?
Wemest@reddit
There are great independent instructors out there. Ask around the local community and talk to a few.
TxAggieMike@reddit
Howdy!! I am an experienced CFI on west side of DFW with lots of 182 experience, including co-ownership.
The 182 can be used for initial flight training, but it is a lot of airplane.
An a lot would be learning to drive in a high performance high horsepower muscle car with a stick shift and a touchy clutch.
It can be done, but it will take some extra time.
I’m open to an offline conversion if you wish.
Living-Ad-6029@reddit (OP)
I've never been a 172 only a 182 so I didn't realize it would be harder to train in but it makes sense.
andrewrbat@reddit
The 182 is a high performance plane and requires an additional endorsement. Not a huge deal but theres a reason the faa requires a high performance endorsement. If not handled appropriately more power, more complexity and more engines will make a plane more dangerous rather than less as one might initially expect.
TxAggieMike@reddit
It’s more weight, more horsepower, and constant speed prop, so more to know and learn.
The 182 was positioned to be the step up after someone obtained their private pilot certification.
Living-Ad-6029@reddit (OP)
Think it would make sense to go buy like a 10 hour block somewhere on a 172 then go to the 182?
TxAggieMike@reddit
Let’s discuss offline. My info is in my profile.
Lumpy_Lingonberry_37@reddit
Hire me big dawg, I’ll fly out lol