In the ending of the book IT by Steven King. The protagonist (several children) defeat the evil demon clown by having an orgy and running a train on the girl of the group
To give an honest answer, the child orgy happens after they defeat It. They just have the orgy because they get lost in the sewers afterwards, and believe having sex will somehow give them their bearings
It isnt really worse in the context of King being an actual PDFile, but if is worse in the sense that his excuse is so stupid that it's clear he put it in for the gratification of himself and others
Honestly I think that’s what King was trying to convey - they killed IT and then their childhood innocence.
Shit, I dunno. Steven King was hoovering up a mountain of blow in the mid-1980s. You ever see ‘Maximum Overdive’? The ticket should’ve come with a free mirror and straw.
In addition to what others have said about the kids losing their innocence the girl in the group was being molested by her dad so in this scene is her making the conscious decision to take back her own sexuality and use it as an act of love for her friends as opposed to it being something used to victimize her.
The girl character was like slut shamed the whole book and that was her like fear she needed to overcome or something like that. And Steven's best idea for how to solve that isn't for her to kiss someone. Or even fuck one person, but to have all of her child peers fuck her
They did it to rid themselves of their childhood innocence. It's gross, but there is more of a point to it than just overcoming a fear or something. In order to break the power IT still had on them and escape the sewers they had to basically grow up really fucking fast, and the only way their child brains could think to do that was to lose their virginity.
It's gross. It's probably unnecessary. But there was a thematic reason for why he wrote it beyond, "Coked up pedo wank fantasy."
It was absolutely a coked up pedo wank fantasy, as evidenced by the excessive and unnecessary description of what happened, but the idea was born from a place of solid storytelling. King isn't a hack.
Well yeah, she embraces her inner slut and the boys lose their innocence. No fear and no innocent souls gets rid of the clown pretty quick. Totally sound logic from a cocaine addled writer
They were starting to get mad at each other and Eddys magic inner compass powers stopped working so she wanted to make them all chill out and be friends again and get Eddy his magic powers back by having sex. I read the book just like a month ago.
So in the book and it's been a long time since I read it but I did read an OG copy. After they defeat IT (bill and IT lock tongues and bill performs the Ritual of Chüd and defeats him via willpower)
The losers have lost the one thing that has connected them all IT, however all the boys have feelings in one way or another for Bev
So she goes ight lads we all gotta bang and they do
Then they're all connected again and as a team can escape the sewers
I read the book in grade 9 for a book report. I read that part and went, what no, that can't be what I think it was, reread it, went huh ok I guess and moved on lol
The whole point of the book is leaving childhood and leaving behind your innocence. Mr. King, in his infinite wisdom, thought that there's no better way to portray giving up your innocence than, well, that.
The train happens after they defeat IT. They're lost and disoriented in the sewer, run a train, and then gather their wits about themselves and escape.
Nah, it's more like.. they expelled IT, and then in order to permanently break his hold on them they had to get rid of the innocence that he feeds on and so decided to have sex since that's an adult thing to do
The point of the spoiler tag is “don’t click me because there’s a spoiler underneath it”. If you can’t exercise the self-control to not click it, maybe you didn’t care about the spoiler that much anyway?
Yea I still need more context, like does it ruin their innocence so he can’t hurt them? Are they not targets if they are virgins? Like wtf why does the gangbang defeat the clown
It doesn't, they do the sewer gangbang after they defeat the clown.
The in-story reason is that by beating IT they've lost the one thing that was connecting them as a group, and now they're lost in the sewers and think that in order to get out they have to "reconnect" and that's what they come up with.
The out-of-story reason is that Stephen King was on all the cocaine
yeah I'm confused how people are defending this calling it a plot device, that King's entire shtick is being disgusting and it's a way for them to lose their innocence so Pennywise doesn't come back, that they did it to "psych themselves up" or whatever all these different reasons people give are. it's weird as fuck and disgusting to come up with and write about children having an orgy lol. just make them do taxes or something to "grow up"? make them have a job? drive a car? have ANYTHING that can be a transition point into adulthood that isn't just... children running a train on a girl. make them all have their own relationships? i don't see how it isn't anything but just a weird and disgusting fantasy from a cokehead
Added context: This was the girl’s idea and she describes the dicking of each boy in poetic detail. It serves a thematic purpose for the kids losing their innocence early and without really understanding the impact of grown up things. It’s about as necessary to the plot as the chapters devoted to the protagonist’s childhood bike. She also remembers this by sleeping with the married protagonist in the adult return trip.
Stephen’s inspiration for this scene was all the cocaine he was on.
Yeah but it can make you think that your batshit, half-baked ideas are actually genius, and some may even make you rich. But in this scenario you don’t fall asleep at 6am and wake up realizing you were wrong, because this time you wrote it down, someone else shared it with the world and you actually did make a ton of money from it. Honestly I see how it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point and am just curious how unhinged the first few drafts were before another human took over.
Maybe I’m a little slow, but how exactly does an orgy defeat an evil clown. Like, call me a prude if you want, but don’t guns work well in this situation
Because it wasn't really pronographic in nature. It was weird and gross, but that's also King's entire schtick as an author.
You know how, over the years, the taboo against the N word has become so extreme that you can't even say it in academic settings anymore? You have to say "N word" even if you're in a post graduate class about American literature analyzing Huckleberry Fin.
It's the same thing with anything to do with kids. It's not enough for the scene to be gross and horrible, as it's meant to be - over the past decade or so we've created a self feeding taboo even against non-pornographic artistic expression. We've twisted ourself into knots, desperately looking for pedos behind ever blade of grass.
Okay, I'm gonna be pedantic, and know this is NOT me saying Stephen King was right to write this scene, BUT:
The kids did NOT defeat Pennywise by having an orgy. They had an orgy AFTER defeating the clown. They defeated the clown by not showing fear, which Pennywise feeds on. Not only that, in the book, one of the characters is connected to a giant cosmic space turtle (not joking) which helps them defeat Pennywise. Bev suggests having the orgy after because they knew they had to remember this experience as adults because Pennywise would come back, and all the adults in the town don't remember Pennywise. I can't remember the exact reason as to why that's the case, but that's the case. The act of sex was a way for them to connect childhood and adulthood so all of them would remember Pennywise in adulthood when he returned and needed to be killed.
Of course, there were a MILLION other ways King could've written this metaphor, but I understand what he was going for, even if it's gross and mostly unnecessary.
I thought it worked and it was fine. Then again I once sent a book to a girl I had been talking to because she said she'd read my book, and I was instantly unfollowed and blocked
I’ve been a long time reader, and I knew his mantra of going for the gross out if the story wasn’t working, but I got slapped in the face with a hammer made of Silly Putty with that ending. The book suddenly became something you don’t want people who read fiction to know you’ve read.
The protagonists of IT all have sex with the girl of the in a sewer. They are all minors at that point in the story.
If I recall correctly this was because they were lost in said sewers and didn't want to die virgins, it wasn't integral to beating the clown. I may be wrong as it's been a long since I've read any of the book and I didn't really enjoy it.
I dont wanna be that guy , but if they had sexual thoughts , then that should be enough to not be "innocent" ....... How did they know what sex is, if they did how are they pure ?? I think Stephen might be into children
The girl had been molested by her dad and it was her idea. Both to overcome the fear of them not remembering when IT comes back and to no longer be a victim.
It's been made clear to me in the last couple of decades that literally anyone can be a pedo but I don't think SK is. This was just him using art to be gross and uncomfortable. The scene isn't written in an arousing way at all, at least to someone who isn't a pedo. Even if you aged them up to college freshmen it's still kinda gross and uncomfortable.
There's lots of these uncomfortable moments in Steven King's works. They mostly serve no purpose and should never have made it out of his head. The instance in IT is a great example because the justification for it was laughable.
Iirc, the in book justification is that they aren't connected anymore and it's supposed to bring them back together
King defends it as "connecting childhood and adulthood" and that he doesn't think of it as sexual. Idk, I don't really get his point, and he's deflected by saying "who cares about the sex what about all these dead kids" so I'm not convinced he has a good one
I understand what you’re saying, but then why make them have sex at all? It was completely unnecessary. He could’ve wrote it so they did some sort of other ritual, or wrote it so they didn’t have to do anything else at all. It was just a very weird thing to include, and it added basically nothing to the story.
I’m not here to defend the scene’s existence, I agree it’s unnecessary. All I’m saying is that I don’t think he is getting off on this. It is a little weird but I don’t think King is a pedo.
The subtext for the book is an exploration of the dichotomy between childhood and adulthood. The sex scene was supposed to represent puberty and becoming an adult. After they slay their childhood fears (It) they are lost in a dark labyrinth (confusion of puberty) and by having a creepy preteen orgy (reaching adulthood by means of sexual exploration) they gain enlightment and ascend into the light and adulthood.
The first half of the book is about kids becoming adults and the second half is about adults rediscovering their sense of childish wonder and hope. Cocaine muddled the message somewhat.
People genuinely acting like the scene is written like some AO3 fanfic. Is it weird? Yeah it is weird. Is it super explicit and King wrote because he’s a pedo and gets off on it? No, it isn’t and I think that’s a stretch.
I've only read a handful of Stephen King, but they all had some weird sex stuff. That one about going back in time to save Kennedy comes to mind. I'm guessing its to add to the "creepy, eerie" vibe?
King is called the King of Horror. Most of what he writes isn't simply horror, but all of it pretty much has elements of it. Horror is taking other genres to their extremes to terrify, horrify, or gross-out. You're gonna have some fucked up sex stuff when you're trying to horrify people with some fucked up sex stuff.
A basic critical reading skill is understanding that the narrator, protagonist, text, or subtext don't have to align with reality or the beliefs or feelings of an author when they're writing fiction.
Labeling the "sewer orgy" scene 'porn' or even 'smut' reveals you've never read it or are being completely disingenuous.
I guarantee half the people who get so outraged about it on reddit would have to turn back a few pages after realizing they blew past it because it's such a short and unremarkable part of the book when you're actually reading it. If someone is reading that excerpt and imagining some intense child orgy, that's a problem with them, not the writing.
It’s not that short, although it is barely anything when considering that the book is around 1000 pages long. I agree with you, though it’s nowhere close to being smut and it’s not really written to be arousing.
Horror is taking other genres to their extremes to terrify, horrify, or gross-out. You're gonna have some fucked up sex stuff when you're trying to horrify people with some fucked up sex stuff.
This same excuse can be and has been repeatedly used for hacks like Garth Ennis. And while King is actually talented unlike that bum, there comes a point where if all you want to do is get a quick reaction via poorly written shock value slop, then you have to take a step back and think of a better way. It's no different than The Boys throwing constant gore and sex in the viewers face as a substitute for decent writing.
Under The Dome is probably King's work filled with the most "fucked up sex stuff" and honestly it's not even the part that makes it one of his worst novels. There's room for a few instances of gross-out horror in something like IT because it is packed with effectively written horror, but the "sewer orgy" scene isn't even gross-out horror. It's kinda weird but it's overblown and unremarkable when you're casually reading it. It definitely doesn't make King a pedophile
Tbh books having weird sex stuff in them is pretty normal. I don't think it's particularly unique to Stephen King, this just gets brought up as an example because people who don't read a lot of books watched the movie IT.
What books do you read where characters never have sex?
1984, the culture series, Murakami, I mean there's no point in giving examples because it's so common. It doesn't exist in YA books, and now that I think of it I don't remember much in the old Russian books I've read.
I just find it off weird the amount of people justifying the overly noncey scene. It's the same sort of logic as people justify women in "those" sort of games wearing almost nothing by saying their outfits is magical or then wearing an armour bikini is part of the plot
False equivalence. The armor bikini exists because someone wanted it to be sexy. Nobody is reading that IT scene and enjoying it.
One is gratification. The other is revulsion. Those are opposite reactions being treated as the same argument.
Also “justifying” is doing a lot of work there. Nobody’s saying the scene is good. They’re saying it’s intentional. That’s a completely different claim.
Breaking news: Horror writer intentionally writes something that is a horror. More on this breaking development at 10
“It” is widely considered a masterpiece, so yes, let us compare.
most people found it weird
Good. King did the job of writing a horror. IIts fucked up. Yes. Horrible. Yes.
It’s a horror book written by a horror writer, and what the kids did is part of the horror, not independent of it. That’s the whole fucking point.
If you actually go back through King‘s material, it is pretty much always about people doing horrible things that are much more disturbing than the BBG.
Well yes, but he also gets brought up a lot, because it's often obvious that he's using writing as a form of therapy and he's a mega famous author. With a lot of his books, you can tell he was ruminating on some obsessive or intrusive thought. It's what makes his writing so enjoyable, because everyone has those dark thoughts sometimes, but King has a unique talent in taking those dark thoughts and turning them into amazing stories.
Based on his tweet history I doubt you are representing his point fairly. It’s cool to just hop on and bash someone for shit without providing any context and furthering the disinformation train, though, so yknow I get it /s
If there was a client list, it was either grabbed up when his safe was broken into on Little St James, or Ghislane Maxwell recovered it after he was arrested and did who knows what with it.
People like that keep lists, and his 'little black book' was referenced a couple times in the emails.
It probably exists, or at least existed until someone destroyed it.
People like what? Can you point to another example of a person that was like Epstein that we know for certain kept a list?
I'm just not convinced. A book like that is not only evidence of the crimes of his clients, but also the crimes of Epstein. The only reason to create it is for blackmail but somehow he's too stupid to hook it up to some kind of dead man's switch and keep himself out of jail and alive? It's a more plausible story to me that he never made a list.
Okay, well if there's one that actually proves he's against releasing the Epstein files you should link that instead of this tweet which has nothing to do with it.
I underestimated the level of conspiratorial dumbassery I was dealing with and had to add more context. You acknowledge you're completely in the wrong, right?
"You acknowledge you completely in the wrong right?" 😂😂😂
Seriously you probably really liked that scene in the book huh? Or was all the racial and hemophobic slurs your favorite part? King really is one of the best writers of all time
He said immediately after the white house did a 180 and said there was no client list. Not a single soul believed them for those first 24 hours-except Stephen.
He got a head start over the propaganda machine.
Man i had some problems with my computer at work so i was at the IT support like 10 times last week, i thought i was crazy readijg the comments and everyone talking about stephen king looks like an it guy and stuff lol (as in information technology) lmao
Just like every other thing I've read from him, it ends the same. He ends every story like a 15 year old emo kid trying to get kicked out of his creative writing class.
And you can sum up any ending with dismissive vibe..
oh so his wifes head was in the box because he was one of the punished sinners or whatever edgelord stuff
Like I am not big fan of the last few books, where stephen king is a character or how the antagonists got dealt with... (actually DT made me realize that having your antagonist be raped by a hobo is a sure way to lose or appeal or threat, way before Joker2 came)... but the actual final pages ending was good and it would be hard to have better.
Generally, speaking, fans of horror novels are usually fine with being horrified. Exploring the dark side of the human experience is usually horrifying.
It does boggle the mind how this man managed to create such hopeful masterpieces like Shawshank, all while he was eating children with Epstein, Trump, and Hawking.
He worded it terribly but meant to say that there is no physical List of People who have been on the Island, in the way of a Guest List or similar. Or if there was, that it was destroyed.
It's either "separate the art from the artist" or "the writers barely disguised fetish" depending on where the creator lands on the compass compared to the commenter.
This is perfectly applicable to me and I think King's hard drives should be confiscated
King is weird, half his work was written while on cocaine, and IT in particular is filled with a shit ton of thematic plot points that have nothing to do with the clown. There are entire chapters just for stuttering Bill’s bike and like one chapter about a cosmic space turtle from the beginning of time that bails out the kids.
In the Apt Pupil short story, there is a scene where the kid dreams about his former concentration camp neighbor cheering him on while he rapes a Jewish women in a camp using a man-sized strap on. Stephen King is a fucked up individual.
He doesn't dream about it, he has a nightmare about it. A twisted situation specific nightmare which you'd expect from a horror author.
He's in way over his head trying to blackmail a nazi war criminal, and he is traumatised and stressed, and he's also stressed and traumatised about sex, as an adolescent who has no experience of it, and has the usual teenage angst and anxiety about it.
These very adult issues unsurprisingly coalesce into nightmares, which you'd think 4chon would relate and be sympathetic to, considering most of them, and most of (you) are virgins too, and WNTAW.
Nightmares that he sates by thrill killing homeless people. Both the characters are messed up and trying to blackmail each other, granted one is a kid. I get it, it's a horror story, but to the subject at hand, it unnecessarily and awkwardly involves a kid having sex.
He is beijg groomed and perverted by an evil criminal, at an age where he should have friends or a young boyfriend or girlfriend, it's unclear if he's actually violent or it is brought out of him by an unnatural relationship with a mass murderer. Maybe he needed psychiatric help all along, maybe not, but he'll clearly need it long after the events of the book.
Why is it unecessary to depict the sexual nightmare of an adolescent kid within the confines of a horror novella? It's not a book for kids or young adult fiction, people buy such work for shocking and horrifying content, and much of King's work, this one for sure, offers chilling insight and complex, unsettling themes to consider, rather than just gratuitous and empty horror.
Foul, black, stinking sludge is all that's left of this particular horse now... and so of course some wanker just had to dig it up yet again. Hoping to ineffectively flail at the scant remains and cloud of stench that's still actually left, after years of every man and his dog stomping the fucking thing into the concrete already.
Y'all have it easy with your gps and maps and shit. Back in my day, when we got lost in the sewers, we had to pull a train and some of us can't even come commala yet. Y'all just need to toughen up and work hard to get anywhere.
Dyner539@reddit
Reddit try not to decontextualize IT for half a day challenge: impossible
Flodge100@reddit
H1MB0Z0@reddit
In the ending of the book IT by Steven King. The protagonist (several children) defeat the evil demon clown by having an orgy and running a train on the girl of the group
ISwearImAnonymous@reddit
Be for real rn
Undercover_Dave@reddit
How exactly does that stop him? I've never read the books or watched the movies, but I always see memes about this. How did that actually work?
0xE4-0x20-0xE6@reddit
To give an honest answer, the child orgy happens after they defeat It. They just have the orgy because they get lost in the sewers afterwards, and believe having sex will somehow give them their bearings
liluzibrap@reddit
I feel like this is even worse somehow
BanjoMothman@reddit
It isnt really worse in the context of King being an actual PDFile, but if is worse in the sense that his excuse is so stupid that it's clear he put it in for the gratification of himself and others
liluzibrap@reddit
I don't know why you were downvoted, man. You're right.
Grompulon@reddit
Symbollically, it was supposed to represent the loss of childhood innocence as a result of their adventure.
Not that that makes it a good scene lol
jY5zD13HbVTYz@reddit
A scrapped alternative ending had them committing war crimes instead
sour_aura@reddit
The sewers were promised to them 3000 years ago
Depixelate_me@reddit
Fuck you bot
Lukababineux@reddit
They turned that shit into Tel Aviv
MonkeManWPG@reddit
I'm convinced that this is just something that King arse-lickers have made up to try to explain why their based anti-Trump twitter hero isn't a nonce.
LEGAL_SKOOMA@reddit
the whole fighting a demon clown who was going around eating children was not enough to lose innocence I guess
kiddrekt@reddit
It's like dessert. Kids gotta eat some ass to round it all off.
Silent_Killer093@reddit
He feeds on the innocence of children, orgy gets rid of that innocence
Capnmarvel76@reddit
Honestly I think that’s what King was trying to convey - they killed IT and then their childhood innocence.
Shit, I dunno. Steven King was hoovering up a mountain of blow in the mid-1980s. You ever see ‘Maximum Overdive’? The ticket should’ve come with a free mirror and straw.
LordMarcusrax@reddit
I mean, I get it, but I can't but think there could have been other ways to represent it. Dunno, smoke a cig, snort some coke...
J0lteoff@reddit
Kids were smoking plenty in those settings. You might be on to something with the coke though
Artemas_16@reddit
Unfortunatly, there wasn't any cigarette shop or drug dealers in sewer. But your dick is always with you.
WaalsVander@reddit
Nah she was just a slut
immaownyou@reddit
He only fed on children because they're fears were simpler, and not something abstract like adults tend to develop
Kungfubowtie@reddit
That makes more sense in context. Sad but kind of cool.
TheTwistedHero1@reddit
The actual way to beat Pennywise is to not be scared of him. Orgies have a way of lowering fear
Sweet_Xocoatl@reddit
In addition to what others have said about the kids losing their innocence the girl in the group was being molested by her dad so in this scene is her making the conscious decision to take back her own sexuality and use it as an act of love for her friends as opposed to it being something used to victimize her.
NonSupportiveCup@reddit
That subset of the theme is too complicated and gay for reddit.
H1MB0Z0@reddit
The girl character was like slut shamed the whole book and that was her like fear she needed to overcome or something like that. And Steven's best idea for how to solve that isn't for her to kiss someone. Or even fuck one person, but to have all of her child peers fuck her
BannedSvenhoek86@reddit
Oh my god ffs.
They did it to rid themselves of their childhood innocence. It's gross, but there is more of a point to it than just overcoming a fear or something. In order to break the power IT still had on them and escape the sewers they had to basically grow up really fucking fast, and the only way their child brains could think to do that was to lose their virginity.
It's gross. It's probably unnecessary. But there was a thematic reason for why he wrote it beyond, "Coked up pedo wank fantasy."
It was absolutely a coked up pedo wank fantasy, as evidenced by the excessive and unnecessary description of what happened, but the idea was born from a place of solid storytelling. King isn't a hack.
Gackt@reddit
No there was not
BannedSvenhoek86@reddit
You're straight.
See, I can make declarative statements that aren't true despite the overwhelming evidence too.
A_WILD_SLUT_APPEARS@reddit
I think if I opened Reddit and saw this in my alerts as a reply to an argument I’m in I’d probably just off myself
obj-g@reddit
No, Stephen King is absolutely a hack, in addition to whatever else.
Mock333@reddit
"Say what you want about Stephen King, but the guy knows story structure."
BannedSvenhoek86@reddit
My nipples!
They hurt when I twist them!
fangpi2023@reddit
This is like saying porn has proper storytelling because the stepsister got stuck in the washing machine.
intoxicatedhamster@reddit
Well yeah, she embraces her inner slut and the boys lose their innocence. No fear and no innocent souls gets rid of the clown pretty quick. Totally sound logic from a cocaine addled writer
Undercover_Dave@reddit
So how do they stop him in the movie? Or does he just win without the child gang bang?
H1MB0Z0@reddit
They just yell "im not scared of you anymore!" Them hit him (the interdimensional demon) with a baseball bat
Sea-Studio-6943@reddit
So the orgy happens after that I suppose
philouza_stein@reddit
That's right buddy
somecheesecake@reddit
Fantastic
WettestNoodle@reddit
In the movie they have a 10 minute orgy at the end yeah.
harpswtf@reddit
IT gets so disgusted by Stephen King's perversion that it just leaves the book
methos3@reddit
Icelandic_Sand@reddit
Nonstopinople@reddit
It doesn't, this happens after they defeat him
Slinto69@reddit
They were starting to get mad at each other and Eddys magic inner compass powers stopped working so she wanted to make them all chill out and be friends again and get Eddy his magic powers back by having sex. I read the book just like a month ago.
supererp@reddit
So in the book and it's been a long time since I read it but I did read an OG copy. After they defeat IT (bill and IT lock tongues and bill performs the Ritual of Chüd and defeats him via willpower)
The losers have lost the one thing that has connected them all IT, however all the boys have feelings in one way or another for Bev
So she goes ight lads we all gotta bang and they do
Then they're all connected again and as a team can escape the sewers
I read the book in grade 9 for a book report. I read that part and went, what no, that can't be what I think it was, reread it, went huh ok I guess and moved on lol
boofmaster6000@reddit
The whole point of the book is leaving childhood and leaving behind your innocence. Mr. King, in his infinite wisdom, thought that there's no better way to portray giving up your innocence than, well, that.
Bigoweiner@reddit
"aww what the fuck? This is too much. I'm out" - Pennywise
Din_Plug@reddit
They do it to "get rid of their innocence" yuck.
PhDinWombology@reddit
It’s like the three seashells
Only-Safe659@reddit
Pennywise feeds off of fear, so the "love" and friendship weakens Pennywise.
xtra_ashley@reddit
wait is this serious? i thought this was a joke because of how absurd it is
TragicBuffalo@reddit
The train happens after they defeat IT. They're lost and disoriented in the sewer, run a train, and then gather their wits about themselves and escape.
Burritozi11a@reddit
Wait this whole time I thought they did it before facing IT to psych themselves up. This makes it so much worse
DarkArc76@reddit
Nah, it's more like.. they expelled IT, and then in order to permanently break his hold on them they had to get rid of the innocence that he feeds on and so decided to have sex since that's an adult thing to do
Oelendra@reddit
It sounds like this story is a strange allegory about growing up.
Imanaco@reddit
6 of them grew up, one of them grew up 6 times
DarkArc76@reddit
You got it!
ArcticLeopard@reddit
Couldn't they have just...idk...filed their own taxes or something?
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Jesus man, the orgy is graphic but that's a step too far
OrLiveaLie@reddit
Yeah, or like got several quotes for painting their house.
blueguy211@reddit
no one can stop THE A-TRAIN
RevolutionRaven@reddit
Well, >!Homelander did!<.
Brotayto@reddit
Just a tip: spoiler tags are useless when you don't know what they are hiding.
The Boys Season 5 spoilers above!
sgtfuzzle17@reddit
The point of the spoiler tag is “don’t click me because there’s a spoiler underneath it”. If you can’t exercise the self-control to not click it, maybe you didn’t care about the spoiler that much anyway?
KPilkie01@reddit
How is this explained in the story?
Artemas_16@reddit
After children have sex, they become adults and clown magic doesn't work on them anymore, letting them escape lair.
KPilkie01@reddit
Oh. I guess, of all the possible explanations, that’s more coherent than most. I thought it was going to generate a map or something.
Arikaido777@reddit
emergency post nut clarity
Wiggie49@reddit
Of course, that’s genius. Post nut clarity clears up your mind like nothing else, all major decisions should be made after an orgy!
boverly721@reddit
The g7 gonna get weird
Mrrykrizmith@reddit
Break glass for sex
EMERGENCY ONLY
Crayonstheman@reddit
BREAK GLASS EMERGENCY
FOR SEX ONLY
cortlong@reddit
Just doesn’t even need to happen at all. “Fuck it. I’m writing it”.
Mycotoxicjoy@reddit
If Bear Grylls jerked off before searching for a way back to civilization Man Vs Wild would be a 10 minute show max
LordMarcusrax@reddit
"Now, of course don't throw the cum away. It is * slurp * rich in proteins."
gianna_in_hell_as@reddit
VERY reluctant upvote 🤢
redgeck0@reddit
Sewer orgies are so romantic
fatman907@reddit
Those in the know call them, “Soup Kitchens.”
H1MB0Z0@reddit
Yeah thats right
LastAcanthisitta3526@reddit
As you do
erikgratz110@reddit
And somehow we didn't call it that this guy was in the files. Jfc.
FigureFourWoo@reddit
That’s how we all defeated demons in the 80s/90s.
russelcrowe@reddit
Don’t forget about how we tied onions to our belts as well. It was the style at the time.
YourLocalSnitch@reddit
Maybe this is why epstein island exists, to protect us from demons
Lampy_Dampy76@reddit
Everyone to the Big Stein after this revelation:
captaincw_4010@reddit
The sequel to Cabin in the Woods, Epstein on the Island
Kay_Ruth@reddit
First one was almost a comedy. The sequel had, and its hard to emphasize this enough, a dramatic shift in tone.
PerpetualPermaban2@reddit
No, his tribe ARE the demons.
_BlackDove@reddit
And we kicked Wolfman in the nards.
Peripheral_Ghosts@reddit
There’s probably like 3 people in this sub who know where this came from. Nice.
Kazuma_Megu@reddit
It's in the back of my brain but I can't remember what it's from.
RandomStallings@reddit
4, now.
Wolfman's got nards.
BirdLawyer50@reddit
I think Stephen Dorff used a bottle rocket in The Gate; not sexual assault
BiscuitDance@reddit
Man, I loved that movie as a kid.
ElfEarsAndDwarfBeard@reddit
Carry on my wayward son
AtomicShart9000@reddit
Jesus, that means Donald Trump was the best demon fighter of them all
iameveryoneelse@reddit
He did something else with the demons, actually.
RattyCyanide@reddit
in the book it was the 50s/60s
iameveryoneelse@reddit
lol the book is fiction, silly
henrikhakan@reddit
I haven't ever seen a demon so I guess that you for your service...?
FigureFourWoo@reddit
You're welcome. We made sure the world was safe!
Lucius-Halthier@reddit
Yea I still need more context, like does it ruin their innocence so he can’t hurt them? Are they not targets if they are virgins? Like wtf why does the gangbang defeat the clown
JustAnotherRandomFan@reddit
It doesn't, they do the sewer gangbang after they defeat the clown.
The in-story reason is that by beating IT they've lost the one thing that was connecting them as a group, and now they're lost in the sewers and think that in order to get out they have to "reconnect" and that's what they come up with.
The out-of-story reason is that Stephen King was on all the cocaine
mark4102@reddit
yeah I'm confused how people are defending this calling it a plot device, that King's entire shtick is being disgusting and it's a way for them to lose their innocence so Pennywise doesn't come back, that they did it to "psych themselves up" or whatever all these different reasons people give are. it's weird as fuck and disgusting to come up with and write about children having an orgy lol. just make them do taxes or something to "grow up"? make them have a job? drive a car? have ANYTHING that can be a transition point into adulthood that isn't just... children running a train on a girl. make them all have their own relationships? i don't see how it isn't anything but just a weird and disgusting fantasy from a cokehead
JustAnotherRandomFan@reddit
I'm not defending it the dude just asked why King wrote that so I gave him the answer
BanjoMothman@reddit
Drug use doesn't make you lust for CSAM.
Section8firearms@reddit
Added context: This was the girl’s idea and she describes the dicking of each boy in poetic detail. It serves a thematic purpose for the kids losing their innocence early and without really understanding the impact of grown up things. It’s about as necessary to the plot as the chapters devoted to the protagonist’s childhood bike. She also remembers this by sleeping with the married protagonist in the adult return trip.
Stephen’s inspiration for this scene was all the cocaine he was on.
H1MB0Z0@reddit
Ive done coke and It didn't make me a pedophile
A_WILD_SLUT_APPEARS@reddit
Yeah but it can make you think that your batshit, half-baked ideas are actually genius, and some may even make you rich. But in this scenario you don’t fall asleep at 6am and wake up realizing you were wrong, because this time you wrote it down, someone else shared it with the world and you actually did make a ton of money from it. Honestly I see how it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point and am just curious how unhinged the first few drafts were before another human took over.
Cero08@reddit
jesus fucking christ, stephen
Crayons4all@reddit
Maybe I’m a little slow, but how exactly does an orgy defeat an evil clown. Like, call me a prude if you want, but don’t guns work well in this situation
Correct_Doctor_1502@reddit
That's incorrect
They failed to kill him, and got stuck in a flooding sewer. Then the decided to run a train on the one girl for "unity" then the escape the sewer
Lava39@reddit
At this point I’ve heard the ending of this story told differently so many times that I’m afraid to look it up. Like it can’t be this dumb right?
TimeIncarnate@reddit
You could always try… reading it?
FlockOfSnowbirds@reddit
You can't really be surprised by King at this point.
"so the succubus inverted its crotch and kept Roland's nut in stasis, then dumped it in Susanna, and she gives birth to a part spider homunculus?"
Correct_Doctor_1502@reddit
The book really is IT's own beast
The book tells the kids and adult stories simultaneously and it's a huge book with a lot of crazy stuff inside
Honestly, I'd recommend reading IT
Slinto69@reddit
Its not how they beat him, they kill him as adults and its a child orgy scene after all
KacerRex@reddit
Having read the entirety of Dark Tower, but not IT, I feel I can still confidently say it almost certainly is that dumb.
Matt_2504@reddit
How did he get away with writing that
The_Law_of_Pizza@reddit
Because it wasn't really pronographic in nature. It was weird and gross, but that's also King's entire schtick as an author.
You know how, over the years, the taboo against the N word has become so extreme that you can't even say it in academic settings anymore? You have to say "N word" even if you're in a post graduate class about American literature analyzing Huckleberry Fin.
It's the same thing with anything to do with kids. It's not enough for the scene to be gross and horrible, as it's meant to be - over the past decade or so we've created a self feeding taboo even against non-pornographic artistic expression. We've twisted ourself into knots, desperately looking for pedos behind ever blade of grass.
Slinto69@reddit
People got away with all that Epstein the bar is in hell
TheSunIsOurEnemy@reddit
To be fair, if there's one way to get away with such things it should be fiction.
684beach@reddit
Because art can be intentionally disgusting and still have meaning. Something something about adulthood and innocence
chronofluxtoaster@reddit
It’s probably due to the dump truck full of cash that backed up to his publisher’s house.
Smelldicks@reddit
Bc by that time he’d already written Carrie, Salem’s Lot, The Shining, and Pet Semetary.
SpaceBug176@reddit
Survivorship bias. It just happened to slip through the cracks.
H1MB0Z0@reddit
And that was the scene that got past the editors and publishers. Imagine his rough draft
TheDevilsAdvokaat@reddit
Seriously? My god...I read the book but a LONG time ago and I really don;t remember this...
sXe_savior@reddit
Okay, I'm gonna be pedantic, and know this is NOT me saying Stephen King was right to write this scene, BUT:
The kids did NOT defeat Pennywise by having an orgy. They had an orgy AFTER defeating the clown. They defeated the clown by not showing fear, which Pennywise feeds on. Not only that, in the book, one of the characters is connected to a giant cosmic space turtle (not joking) which helps them defeat Pennywise. Bev suggests having the orgy after because they knew they had to remember this experience as adults because Pennywise would come back, and all the adults in the town don't remember Pennywise. I can't remember the exact reason as to why that's the case, but that's the case. The act of sex was a way for them to connect childhood and adulthood so all of them would remember Pennywise in adulthood when he returned and needed to be killed.
Of course, there were a MILLION other ways King could've written this metaphor, but I understand what he was going for, even if it's gross and mostly unnecessary.
peepeeinmypajts@reddit
I thought it worked and it was fine. Then again I once sent a book to a girl I had been talking to because she said she'd read my book, and I was instantly unfollowed and blocked
Ok_Public2002@reddit
Omg this remind me of a meme oost I saw years ago about the same thing, but I didn't get it.
rape_is_not_epic@reddit
WHAT!?!?!?!?
Frosty-x-@reddit
WHAT
ComprehensivePin5577@reddit
chronofluxtoaster@reddit
I’ve been a long time reader, and I knew his mantra of going for the gross out if the story wasn’t working, but I got slapped in the face with a hammer made of Silly Putty with that ending. The book suddenly became something you don’t want people who read fiction to know you’ve read.
Radio_Global@reddit
I already know it, but it's still fucking wild every time I hear it.
ElPlatanaso2@reddit
They WHAT
Bowman_van_Oort@reddit
AlarmDozer@reddit
Wait, huh? Okay, I'm putting that into my reading queue because that's not what I saw in the films.
Minute-Weekend5234@reddit
Technically speaking, that's how they escape it in the first part.
RedditsAdoptedSon@reddit
oh it would like get rid of innocence i suppose
cocainebrick3242@reddit
The protagonists of IT all have sex with the girl of the in a sewer. They are all minors at that point in the story.
If I recall correctly this was because they were lost in said sewers and didn't want to die virgins, it wasn't integral to beating the clown. I may be wrong as it's been a long since I've read any of the book and I didn't really enjoy it.
outland_king@reddit
Don't forget that the fat kid was packing a huge dong according to King.
matijoss@reddit
The name of the kid? William dafoe
adster98@reddit
Willem
_NOT_SO_PRECIOUS_ROY@reddit
Defoooooe
10YB@reddit
I dont wanna be that guy , but if they had sexual thoughts , then that should be enough to not be "innocent" ....... How did they know what sex is, if they did how are they pure ?? I think Stephen might be into children
glorious_purpiose@reddit
The girl had been molested by her dad and it was her idea. Both to overcome the fear of them not remembering when IT comes back and to no longer be a victim. It's been made clear to me in the last couple of decades that literally anyone can be a pedo but I don't think SK is. This was just him using art to be gross and uncomfortable. The scene isn't written in an arousing way at all, at least to someone who isn't a pedo. Even if you aged them up to college freshmen it's still kinda gross and uncomfortable.
10YB@reddit
I guess you're right, children having sex with each other is normal, im stupid
Boba0514@reddit
Minors, sure, but that doesn't tell us much, where they like 16 or fucking 11?
DemonicPanda11@reddit
Between 11 and 12 in the books.
Boba0514@reddit
That's fucked up
Kilian_Username@reddit
Except that part happened after they defeated IT the first time.
evilsdadvocate@reddit
I believe they did it to lose their “innocence” that comes with childhood, and therefore defeat what the clown was able to exploit.
VladMaverick@reddit
Here's the context.
b0ttas@reddit
r/suddenlycaralho
buffinator2@reddit
You were happier before you had context on this one lol
earlobe7@reddit
Lets just say they left a scene or two out the movies
H1MB0Z0@reddit
Makes the movie really awkward to watch knowing what happens in the book
Mobile_Ask2480@reddit
and thats why he is on the list
Lampy_Dampy76@reddit
There's lots of these uncomfortable moments in Steven King's works. They mostly serve no purpose and should never have made it out of his head. The instance in IT is a great example because the justification for it was laughable.
Sunkysanic@reddit
What’s the justification? I’ve never read it and never will
cabose12@reddit
Iirc, the in book justification is that they aren't connected anymore and it's supposed to bring them back together
King defends it as "connecting childhood and adulthood" and that he doesn't think of it as sexual. Idk, I don't really get his point, and he's deflected by saying "who cares about the sex what about all these dead kids" so I'm not convinced he has a good one
It is a great book otherwise, worth reading
jtheman1738@reddit
“Doesn’t think it’s sexual”? Stephen, my dude, they’re literally HAVING SEX. How much more sexual can it get? 🥀
JohnnyXorron@reddit
I think what he’s getting at is that it’s not written like a Colleen Hoover sex scene or written for sexual gratification.
jtheman1738@reddit
I understand what you’re saying, but then why make them have sex at all? It was completely unnecessary. He could’ve wrote it so they did some sort of other ritual, or wrote it so they didn’t have to do anything else at all. It was just a very weird thing to include, and it added basically nothing to the story.
JohnnyXorron@reddit
I’m not here to defend the scene’s existence, I agree it’s unnecessary. All I’m saying is that I don’t think he is getting off on this. It is a little weird but I don’t think King is a pedo.
Sunkysanic@reddit
See that’s an interesting take cause I was literally just about to comment that I’d bet money he jerked off about it
APetNamedTacu@reddit
The subtext for the book is an exploration of the dichotomy between childhood and adulthood. The sex scene was supposed to represent puberty and becoming an adult. After they slay their childhood fears (It) they are lost in a dark labyrinth (confusion of puberty) and by having a creepy preteen orgy (reaching adulthood by means of sexual exploration) they gain enlightment and ascend into the light and adulthood.
The first half of the book is about kids becoming adults and the second half is about adults rediscovering their sense of childish wonder and hope. Cocaine muddled the message somewhat.
MothWaifu1711@reddit
I was his biggest glazed until I read Full Dark, No Stars. Man it’s a doozy.
SllortEvac@reddit
The cocaine had him cranking out all the words he could think.
Kaikeno@reddit
He cranked something for sure
Lasagnevernichter@reddit
If they make you uncomfortable, it's working
JohnnyXorron@reddit
People genuinely acting like the scene is written like some AO3 fanfic. Is it weird? Yeah it is weird. Is it super explicit and King wrote because he’s a pedo and gets off on it? No, it isn’t and I think that’s a stretch.
rillip@reddit
I'm reading The Stand currently. It is my first Stephen King novel. Dude is horny AF.
JohnnyXorron@reddit
There is a scene involving a gun, I’m not sure he actually gets off on this 💀
duckwithhat@reddit
I've only read a handful of Stephen King, but they all had some weird sex stuff. That one about going back in time to save Kennedy comes to mind. I'm guessing its to add to the "creepy, eerie" vibe?
FUNNYGUY123414@reddit
King is called the King of Horror. Most of what he writes isn't simply horror, but all of it pretty much has elements of it. Horror is taking other genres to their extremes to terrify, horrify, or gross-out. You're gonna have some fucked up sex stuff when you're trying to horrify people with some fucked up sex stuff.
A basic critical reading skill is understanding that the narrator, protagonist, text, or subtext don't have to align with reality or the beliefs or feelings of an author when they're writing fiction.
MonkeManWPG@reddit
No you don't understand, the CP was totally a necessary and valid inclusion because you were meant to not like it!
FUNNYGUY123414@reddit
Labeling the "sewer orgy" scene 'porn' or even 'smut' reveals you've never read it or are being completely disingenuous.
I guarantee half the people who get so outraged about it on reddit would have to turn back a few pages after realizing they blew past it because it's such a short and unremarkable part of the book when you're actually reading it. If someone is reading that excerpt and imagining some intense child orgy, that's a problem with them, not the writing.
JohnnyXorron@reddit
It’s not that short, although it is barely anything when considering that the book is around 1000 pages long. I agree with you, though it’s nowhere close to being smut and it’s not really written to be arousing.
MonkeManWPG@reddit
Keep defending a paedo if you enjoy it ig
JohnnyXorron@reddit
By that same logic you could argue that any book that has torture in it means the author is a sadistic freak who loves torturing people.
Lampy_Dampy76@reddit
This same excuse can be and has been repeatedly used for hacks like Garth Ennis. And while King is actually talented unlike that bum, there comes a point where if all you want to do is get a quick reaction via poorly written shock value slop, then you have to take a step back and think of a better way. It's no different than The Boys throwing constant gore and sex in the viewers face as a substitute for decent writing.
FUNNYGUY123414@reddit
Under The Dome is probably King's work filled with the most "fucked up sex stuff" and honestly it's not even the part that makes it one of his worst novels. There's room for a few instances of gross-out horror in something like IT because it is packed with effectively written horror, but the "sewer orgy" scene isn't even gross-out horror. It's kinda weird but it's overblown and unremarkable when you're casually reading it. It definitely doesn't make King a pedophile
leksoid@reddit
exactly. though unconsciously some of the author's personality eventually might slip into their book.
ToumaKazusa1@reddit
Tbh books having weird sex stuff in them is pretty normal. I don't think it's particularly unique to Stephen King, this just gets brought up as an example because people who don't read a lot of books watched the movie IT.
Retro21@reddit
What kind of books are you reading.
ToumaKazusa1@reddit
What books do you read where characters never have sex?
1984, the culture series, Murakami, I mean there's no point in giving examples because it's so common. It doesn't exist in YA books, and now that I think of it I don't remember much in the old Russian books I've read.
SpottedWobbegong@reddit
There is a difference between sex in books and child sex orgy though.
ToumaKazusa1@reddit
Not really. If you read a book about teenagers it'll be teenagers who are having sex. They have sex in real life so they have sex in books too.
SpottedWobbegong@reddit
Teenagers having sex is also different from 11-12 year olds having sex.
kradproductions@reddit
He picked a weird hill to die on... someone should check his hard drive. =S
Retro21@reddit
Weird sex stuff =/= characters having sex
_eleutheria@reddit
Yeah, lets compare a masterpiece like 1984 to IT... I guess I must've missed the fetish child sex in 1984.
MarcusofMenace@reddit
I just find it off weird the amount of people justifying the overly noncey scene. It's the same sort of logic as people justify women in "those" sort of games wearing almost nothing by saying their outfits is magical or then wearing an armour bikini is part of the plot
obsolete_broccoli@reddit
False equivalence. The armor bikini exists because someone wanted it to be sexy. Nobody is reading that IT scene and enjoying it.
One is gratification. The other is revulsion. Those are opposite reactions being treated as the same argument.
Also “justifying” is doing a lot of work there. Nobody’s saying the scene is good. They’re saying it’s intentional. That’s a completely different claim.
Breaking news: Horror writer intentionally writes something that is a horror. More on this breaking development at 10
obsolete_broccoli@reddit
“It” is widely considered a masterpiece, so yes, let us compare.
Good. King did the job of writing a horror. IIts fucked up. Yes. Horrible. Yes.
It’s a horror book written by a horror writer, and what the kids did is part of the horror, not independent of it. That’s the whole fucking point.
If you actually go back through King‘s material, it is pretty much always about people doing horrible things that are much more disturbing than the BBG.
ItsNotBigBrainTime@reddit
Haven't you ever heard the common meme phrasing "something something, the author's barely disguised fetish"?
PaulMcIcedTea@reddit
Well yes, but he also gets brought up a lot, because it's often obvious that he's using writing as a form of therapy and he's a mega famous author. With a lot of his books, you can tell he was ruminating on some obsessive or intrusive thought. It's what makes his writing so enjoyable, because everyone has those dark thoughts sometimes, but King has a unique talent in taking those dark thoughts and turning them into amazing stories.
MothWaifu1711@reddit
Funny enough the guy from the JFK book actually goes to Derry and runs into Beverly, post-orgy. It does not go well.
Lampy_Dampy76@reddit
Wha?
waxwayne@reddit
He was on a lot of drugs when he wrote that.
thewhitebuttboy@reddit
I’m reading 11/22/63 rn. Haven’t finished it. I’m just gonna assume he barebacks Kennedy so hard his brains blow out, keeping the timeline intact.
ringadingdingbaby@reddit
Aw it's a great book!
Il not ruin anything but Stephen King has a problem with bad endings and he apparently got advice on the ending from his son, so it's actually good.
Unlike Under the Dome...
H1MB0Z0@reddit
And he tweeted about not wanting the files to be released so can go ahead and check him off the list
JohnnyXorron@reddit
Based on his tweet history I doubt you are representing his point fairly. It’s cool to just hop on and bash someone for shit without providing any context and furthering the disinformation train, though, so yknow I get it /s
PippinOfAstora@reddit
wait really??
H1MB0Z0@reddit
Yes, look into it
Earthboundplayer@reddit
Why don't you show your sources instead?
airfryerfuntime@reddit
If there was a client list, it was either grabbed up when his safe was broken into on Little St James, or Ghislane Maxwell recovered it after he was arrested and did who knows what with it.
People like that keep lists, and his 'little black book' was referenced a couple times in the emails.
It probably exists, or at least existed until someone destroyed it.
Earthboundplayer@reddit
People like what? Can you point to another example of a person that was like Epstein that we know for certain kept a list?
I'm just not convinced. A book like that is not only evidence of the crimes of his clients, but also the crimes of Epstein. The only reason to create it is for blackmail but somehow he's too stupid to hook it up to some kind of dead man's switch and keep himself out of jail and alive? It's a more plausible story to me that he never made a list.
captainn_chunk@reddit
Seriously why are you trying this hard?
H1MB0Z0@reddit
Earthboundplayer@reddit
Okay, well if there's one that actually proves he's against releasing the Epstein files you should link that instead of this tweet which has nothing to do with it.
H1MB0Z0@reddit
Was the child orgy in his book and a tweet denying the files are real not enough for you to think hes gross then idk what to tell you
Earthboundplayer@reddit
He denied the client list exists. That is, that Epstein wrote down somewhere who all of his clients were.
captainn_chunk@reddit
Go outside
Office_Zombie@reddit
I'm not defending or daming that part of the book, but here is my understanding.
The kids could not escape the sewers because Pennywise' magic works on those who are innocent; so they were still ensnared and could not escape.
Child orgy, loss of innocence, spell broken, the exit is that way.
At least that's what we thought 35 years ago.
TolUC21@reddit
But but but but, he's anti-trump!
DepressedOpressed@reddit
So why won't you post these several other rants
H1MB0Z0@reddit
Lmao how many photos do you want me to comment. Look it up yourself or dont believe me idc
DepressedOpressed@reddit
The guy you replied to with that screenshot literally meant that exact tweet
If you have nothing else its alright anon
H1MB0Z0@reddit
Yeah he edited it to say "eXcEpt thAt oNe"
Earthboundplayer@reddit
Do you acknowledge that the "client list" and the "files" aren't the same thing?
H1MB0Z0@reddit
Yeah keep editing this one comment thats the best way to convey information lmao
I am not here to convince you of anything but you sure seem heated about defending the pedo writer.
Sid you like that scene in the book or something?
Earthboundplayer@reddit
I underestimated the level of conspiratorial dumbassery I was dealing with and had to add more context. You acknowledge you're completely in the wrong, right?
H1MB0Z0@reddit
"You acknowledge you completely in the wrong right?" 😂😂😂
Seriously you probably really liked that scene in the book huh? Or was all the racial and hemophobic slurs your favorite part? King really is one of the best writers of all time
Earthboundplayer@reddit
Yes actually I love little girls or whatever. Idk I never read the book tbh.
Agree or disagree: the Epstein client list is a different thing than the Epstein files?
H1MB0Z0@reddit
You should really read the child orgy scene before blindly defending the guy
Earthboundplayer@reddit
I'm not blindly defending him, you made a very specific claim that he was against releasing the Epstein files and that's just not true.
If you want to claim he's a weirdo and think it's potentially suspicious for writing what he wrote, go for it.
Slinto69@reddit
He's not in the files though he just put his foot in his mouth
TheSunIsOurEnemy@reddit
Could've worded it better(which is ironic given his profession) but he just pretty much said it's silly to expect there to be a client list lol.
Green-Imagination-74@reddit
He said immediately after the white house did a 180 and said there was no client list. Not a single soul believed them for those first 24 hours-except Stephen. He got a head start over the propaganda machine.
iameveryoneelse@reddit
I am positive if King was anywhere on those files Trump would have it plastered all over whatever social media platform he currently uses.
CPUsCantDoNothing@reddit
That's not what he meant lol
yumstheman@reddit
Stephen king lowkey looking like IT in this picture ngl
Correct_Doctor_1502@reddit
More like Count Chocula
chronofluxtoaster@reddit
Worse: Pete Davidson’s rendition of Count Chocula in the SNL skit.
GhostPepperDaddy@reddit
Does it still count as a rendition when he was too busy laughing to stay in character?
chronofluxtoaster@reddit
You mean every other skit he appeared in? When the entire episode is a character break?
TKG1607@reddit
Reminds me more of a who from whoville
Luther_Manning@reddit
The most underrated comment of all time.
Long live the cereal monsters.
sunrise98@reddit
You mean pennywise - IT is a pregnant spider that can shapeshift
JKCsaba@reddit
Man i had some problems with my computer at work so i was at the IT support like 10 times last week, i thought i was crazy readijg the comments and everyone talking about stephen king looks like an it guy and stuff lol (as in information technology) lmao
Chai_Enjoyer@reddit
I read IT not as IT (it capitalised) but as IT (Information Technology) and thought this comment said that he lowkey looks like a programmer
DeepQueen@reddit
Coke King was a different beast...
Kevin_LeStrange@reddit
YEAH BUT HAVE YOU READ THE DARK TOWER? IT'S SOOOOO GOOD
Beowulf33232@reddit
Just like every other thing I've read from him, it ends the same. He ends every story like a 15 year old emo kid trying to get kicked out of his creative writing class.
SatanicRiddle@reddit
WTF are you on? DT has one of the best endings...
Death, but not for you, gunslinger. Never for you. You darkle. You tinct. May I be brutally frank? You go on.
Beowulf33232@reddit
I remember Roland getting to the top of the tower and starting his quest over because of a mistake he made once.
Sure, paint it in prettier words than I would. But it was Edgelord McGee trying to get a rise out of people.
SatanicRiddle@reddit
It was the best possible ending IMO.
And you can sum up any ending with dismissive vibe..
Like I am not big fan of the last few books, where stephen king is a character or how the antagonists got dealt with... (actually DT made me realize that having your antagonist be raped by a hobo is a sure way to lose or appeal or threat, way before Joker2 came)... but the actual final pages ending was good and it would be hard to have better.
spiritofporn@reddit
Pet Sematary has a great ending.
Fishmongererererer@reddit
I have. It was honestly mediocre.
StriderTX@reddit
neoncumstainlol@reddit
His defense of be so high on coke he doesn't even remember writing several books makes it so much worse......
Loathe_the_Hive@reddit
How less afraid can you be in a gangbang in front of a transdimensional terror clown?
It would literally be the bravest thing anyone has done on this earth, to date.
I think it all checks out, imo.
spiritofporn@reddit
It's not a gangbang, but a train.
Medium_Cranberry4096@reddit
What copious amounts of cocaine does to a mf
Khal_Dovah88@reddit
Daily reminder that Kikg said he'd leave if the Epstein Files were released.
Legal_Loli_Uni@reddit
This wasn't necessary Mr. Stephen.
outland_king@reddit
He claims he was on coke and doesn't remember writing that , but I dont buy it. He's definitely a degenerate pervert.
GreatKingRat666@reddit
Show where he claims that.
GreatKingRat666@reddit
Oh no, teenagers discovering sex!!!! 😱😱😱😱😱
Sure_Association_991@reddit
I never watched IT but I like the trucker movie
LeakyLine@reddit
Maximum Overdrive was the only movie adaptation he ever directed himself, AND he was high as fuck on coke the whole time. What a great, terrible film.
BandedLutz@reddit
"This machine just called ms an asshole!"
RadioRoosterTony@reddit
I like the one where Tom Hanks zaps the nice big man.
ExtensionNo4468@reddit
I’m tired boss
MikeWANN@reddit
No, that's the one where no one had any idea what Idris Elba and Matthew McConaughey were trying to do
Decimator24244@reddit
And people were fine with this?
obsolete_broccoli@reddit
Generally, speaking, fans of horror novels are usually fine with being horrified. Exploring the dark side of the human experience is usually horrifying.
Guess_My_Username@reddit
This may be beside the point, but I think it happens *after* they've defeated IT and discover it's the only way to get back out into the real world?
FlockOfSnowbirds@reddit
Don't forget about how he let his babysitter fart directly in his face as a kid. Explains a lot about him.
Laxhoop2525@reddit
It does boggle the mind how this man managed to create such hopeful masterpieces like Shawshank, all while he was eating children with Epstein, Trump, and Hawking.
Defiant_Lavishness69@reddit
He worded it terribly but meant to say that there is no physical List of People who have been on the Island, in the way of a Guest List or similar. Or if there was, that it was destroyed.
fr0stn8@reddit
everytime I say how fucked this is people defend him by saying "times were different then, its not that fucked up"
wtf
ShiraLillith@reddit
It's either "separate the art from the artist" or "the writers barely disguised fetish" depending on where the creator lands on the compass compared to the commenter.
This is perfectly applicable to me and I think King's hard drives should be confiscated
Gilgamesh107@reddit
I'm reading people give context and this shit sounds so bizarre I just can't believe any of you are serious
Section8firearms@reddit
King is weird, half his work was written while on cocaine, and IT in particular is filled with a shit ton of thematic plot points that have nothing to do with the clown. There are entire chapters just for stuttering Bill’s bike and like one chapter about a cosmic space turtle from the beginning of time that bails out the kids.
WoeBoeT@reddit
I did read the book with great enjoyment but I have to say your description quite fits my recollection of the book
Ale4leo@reddit
Does anyone have the greentext where the clown asks for help because of the orgy?
Pietroglodyte@reddit
Took it from someone else in this thread
TombStone_Sheep@reddit
I swear there is one where it goes “oh god, now the fat ones joining in”
methos3@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/1si51ya/no_seriously_wtf/ofj6bzo/
Ale4leo@reddit
Yeah, I remember that one. And I'm pretty sure that it was an actual greentext and not just a black text.
methos3@reddit
This is another favorite Pennywise greentext
Yayfara@reddit
Here is a performance of it by Dreadanon
pebrocks@reddit (OP)
I was tempted in posting that one.
methos3@reddit
Yeah I posted it in here somewhere
These-Injury-2226@reddit
In the Apt Pupil short story, there is a scene where the kid dreams about his former concentration camp neighbor cheering him on while he rapes a Jewish women in a camp using a man-sized strap on. Stephen King is a fucked up individual.
PauL__McShARtneY@reddit
He doesn't dream about it, he has a nightmare about it. A twisted situation specific nightmare which you'd expect from a horror author.
He's in way over his head trying to blackmail a nazi war criminal, and he is traumatised and stressed, and he's also stressed and traumatised about sex, as an adolescent who has no experience of it, and has the usual teenage angst and anxiety about it.
These very adult issues unsurprisingly coalesce into nightmares, which you'd think 4chon would relate and be sympathetic to, considering most of them, and most of (you) are virgins too, and WNTAW.
These-Injury-2226@reddit
Nightmares that he sates by thrill killing homeless people. Both the characters are messed up and trying to blackmail each other, granted one is a kid. I get it, it's a horror story, but to the subject at hand, it unnecessarily and awkwardly involves a kid having sex.
bond_uk@reddit
Sounds like some kind of Horror Story.
PauL__McShARtneY@reddit
He is beijg groomed and perverted by an evil criminal, at an age where he should have friends or a young boyfriend or girlfriend, it's unclear if he's actually violent or it is brought out of him by an unnatural relationship with a mass murderer. Maybe he needed psychiatric help all along, maybe not, but he'll clearly need it long after the events of the book.
Why is it unecessary to depict the sexual nightmare of an adolescent kid within the confines of a horror novella? It's not a book for kids or young adult fiction, people buy such work for shocking and horrifying content, and much of King's work, this one for sure, offers chilling insight and complex, unsettling themes to consider, rather than just gratuitous and empty horror.
Lasagnevernichter@reddit
He's writing horror. This seems pretty horrifying to me, so good job I guess
Sparky_321@reddit
I think he admitted he was on coke when he wrote that.
Thezza-D@reddit
"I'm gonna scare the hell outta you!"
softmetal@reddit
I just wanna run through his chest hair like a field of wheat…
randominsamity@reddit
Foul, black, stinking sludge is all that's left of this particular horse now... and so of course some wanker just had to dig it up yet again. Hoping to ineffectively flail at the scant remains and cloud of stench that's still actually left, after years of every man and his dog stomping the fucking thing into the concrete already.
dontdoitliz@reddit
Y'all have it easy with your gps and maps and shit. Back in my day, when we got lost in the sewers, we had to pull a train and some of us can't even come commala yet. Y'all just need to toughen up and work hard to get anywhere.
-Granny Boomer
ricuno@reddit
SageoftheForlornPath@reddit
Makes sense when you realize he had a massive coke problem.
internetlad@reddit
Hey, man. If you're doing enough coke ANY plotline is gonna make sense.
TrollerCoasterWoo@reddit
Guy laid the groundwork for the horror-porn industry. “Iconoclastic,” as they say
Sweet_Xocoatl@reddit
“We all fuck down here.”
DriedUpSquid@reddit
I mean he was doing mountains of coke at the time.
Phodan_@reddit
UFOsAustralia@reddit
Yeah, if there ever was a hint to who is on the list, it's this.
SipoteQuixote@reddit
Really? In front of my demonic clown?