Yeah, it was indeed a golden age not only for the USA but for the entire world.
I think they will choose the time between the fall of the USSR 1991 and the Apartheid and probabily the start of covid 19 as an age of increased technological development, less wars, greater social and economical mobility and globalization, all under USA sphere of influence.
Sure, things were better in the sense that the rot was not quite as in your face as it is now. It was more of lurking underneath the shiny surface of so-called “prosperity,” yet many of the same corporations and oligarchs were in total control then as they are now. Our political system was already thoroughly corrupted and dead for the average person. Billy Clinton proved all of that.
The Matrix sums that decade up pretty well. We were asleep in a mediascape of mass entertainments while everything was slowly being taken away from us in incremental steps.
But hey, I too miss the ignorant carefree days of my youth. And cable TV and blockbusters beats the shit out of streaming any day.
It was more of lurking underneath the shiny surface of so-called “prosperity,” yet many of the same corporations and oligarchs were in total control then as they are now.
I wouldn't even say it was lurking. The only means to make something public was to have it in one of the few channels controlled by those oligarchs. Anybody who didn't live in a walled garden was aware that things were not as rosy as they were portrayed.
Yes. We went from the possibility of being blissfully unaware for the lucky ones to yearnjng denialist delusion as a coping mechanism for everyone in a few decades because of changes in media.
Exactly, the prosperity we seen in the west was mostly because we were pillaging ex communist country and we were starting to surf on credit. It was also because it was only one or two decade into austerity politics, so the bill wasn't due yet.
Haha yeah... think about all of those small moments we lost in the convenience of streaming. I think the last memory I will ever make in a BlockBuster is when I went in to rent The Incredibles with my dad. I found a dime that was heads-up in the parking lot, and then we did a little mini-celebration because we rented the last copy of the movie we came to get.
Vintage capitalism (still) bad aside- I had some nice memories of growing up before everything became available via Amazon and magical information waves.
I disagree somewhat. The problem was that they should've been introduced to society more slowly, and with more cautions. There were already people addicted to their "dumb" cell phones, so the outcome was inevitable. Letting kids have smart phones was also a poorly thought out idea.
Plenty of us who grew up analog never got addicted to our smart phones because we didn't expect instant communication. We also learned how to get around with maps, landmarks, and verbal instructions. I almost never use GPS, and the times my husband has used it on trips, it just gets us lost.
Not every boss abuses after-hours communication, which there ought to be laws, or at least company policies about. Crises were managed for thousands of years without daily after-hours group texts from the boss.
People, especially children, made friends a lot more easily when they weren't parked behind a screen with imaginary friends. And not enough people make "no phones" a requirement on dates or in meetings.
We adopted smart phone abuse before stopping to think of what sensible smart phone use might actually look like. People wanting to sell stuff ate it up and started apps that got people hooked.
The phones themselves aren't the problem. They're just a communication tool, and even come with a handy little toggle on the side to turn off all alerts. The problems are with the apps that suck people into a feedback loop, the abuse by bosses, and the way society embraced all of that before realizing that maybe this was a bad idea. Those of us who saw it as just another tool for our own convenience, and not that of every other person on the planet, are doing just fine.
There was a time when you could go on vacation and check your messages when you got home. The world did not end and your friends were still your friends when you returned. There was a time when bosses wouldn't ever think it was ok to contact you at your home.
Yeah and your mom isn’t yelling at you from the front of the store to pick something now or you get nothing/she’s leaving you here/or so help me/shoe flies across store, so you can spend an hour trying to find something to watch only to fall asleep before you hit play on anything
Yeah there was utterly zero concept of the consequences of this untapped growth,
Most, if not all energy was based on carbon.
While things are looking pretty bleak now at least there is recognition from most major economies that change is nessessery - even if they are not moving fast enough
In the 90s it was just grow and damn the consequences
I wonder if future generations will think that First World denizens of the late 20th century lived like deities: available healthcare, food aplenty, clean water and peace might seem as unattainable ideals for the next decades.
Did they choose 1999 just because it was the current year the movie came out or did they fairly accurately predict that everything was going to get worse from then on
I thought both sucked at the time and honestly still do. I don't get nostalgia for when I was a kid in the 80s-90s, it wasn't that good.
Mom and Pop video stores were cool and Blockbuster killed them and the passage of time hasn't made burgers go away. McDonalds is still around and just as shitty as ever and there are still plenty places to get a good burger if you want.
So what part of this makes it a golden age? Was it your parents paying for it? Call them and see if they'll take you to dinner and to go see a movie, they probably will.
I agree that these wouldn't be my chosen representations of a "golden age." But our amazing Mom & Pop video store survived just fine, and I live in a large city. It was the only place you could get just about every old or obscure movie in existence. Blockbuster couldn't hold a candle to it, and we returned the love.
And I wasn't raised on fast food, so I never saw the appeal of McDonald's or similar. I've known people over the years who just couldn't get enough, though.
The '90s were very much a hopeful time, mainly due to the collapse of the USSR and the tech boom. Prices on computers were going down right as they were becoming more versatile. I learned how to write simple programs in school in '81, but computers were still very limited in their uses. When the internet first became available to everyone and the price of a computer was no longer on a par with that of a used car, we knew something big was happening.
So I agree that there are other ways to represent that time than chain businesses and parking lots. But I disagree that it wasn't a hopeful time. For those of us who had grown to adulthood during the cold war, simply having that in the rear view mirror was cause to take a breath and relax.
Neither of those places have or had much positive to offer, but they are avatars of what was essentially the end of a golden age. The world was in one of its less murderous phases, America's post WWII dominance had no serious rivals at that moment, the environmental disaster we've created hadn't fully bloomed yet, and the early internet tech boom was creating incredible wealth.
It all started to go to shit around the change of millenia, but that moment in time was undeniably pleasant.
Because it was. Reagan's dementia fogged destruction of safeguards hadn't fully corrupted the system quite yet, the economy hadn't been utterly robbed for the oligarchs, hope was still alive if on dwindling ground.
And 9/11 was years down the line. The trigger point where too many liberties were traded for security, only to end up with neither as the prosperity was drained like a slit throat. We still could look forward to something.
If I could wake up in the 90s, and expire ignorant on September 10th 2001, it would be a mercy.
Those liberties were always going to be stolen from you one way or another. What you got was an excuse to steal them.
The dream that died on 9/11 was only your physical safety. It took you another 7 years to run out of credit to pay for the life support on your dream of safety from your own nation's endless hunger for wealth extraction.
I still vividly recall watching the election night returns of the 2000 presidential contest between Al Gore and George W. Bush. I was extremely worried since it was touch and go in either direction. Then they predicted Florida went to Gore after the polls closed, and I felt a huge surge of relief since I knew that would put him over the finish line. My phone rang and I was distracted for 45 minutes or so, and when I looked back at the TV, the result for Florida had changed to a win for Bush! It was a head snap moment for me, and I was overcome with a disorienting sense of dread.
That moment is burned into my psyche, because I believe it was a major tipping point. After the darkness of the Reagan/Bush years from '81-'93, the rest of the 90's were a great time. It seemed like we had a handle on a lot of society's big problems, and we were headed in a positive direction. Gore was exceptionally ready and well qualified to confront the largest one looming over us - human caused environmental destruction. It's incredibly obvious we'd be in a much better place today if he'd become president then. But the bastards won. We let them steal that election (and several since then) and we're now stuck on the shit mountain they built for us, with no good pathway down.
I hope OP has the media literacy and critical thinking skills to realize this type of appeals are not dissimilar to those used by certain crowds when referring to the “times of empire.”
The US has never had a golden age for anyone except for its elites of slaveholders, pedophiles, neoliberals, racists, etc.
I be painted a picture of one in my town, it was the last classic style one in my area til they tore it down not too long ago, this was painted in 2019
George Carlin had the best take on this. Only Americans could be so fucking braindead as to turn the pristine North American content into a giant shopping mall.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Monsur_Ausuhnom:
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because the previous era of Blockbuster and McDonalds might be the Golden Age to whatever is going to happen next. We seem to be heading into the collapse age of the anthropocene that will likely be continued stupid decisions, climate change, and other idiotic things that will happen. It will likely get worse.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1si2jah/the_golden_age/ofh4lnf/
Related to collapse because the previous era of Blockbuster and McDonalds might be the Golden Age to whatever is going to happen next. We seem to be heading into the collapse age of the anthropocene that will likely be continued stupid decisions, climate change, and other idiotic things that will happen. It will likely get worse.
Practical_Hippo6289@reddit
I mean they kind of already do.
totalwarwiser@reddit
Yeah, it was indeed a golden age not only for the USA but for the entire world.
I think they will choose the time between the fall of the USSR 1991 and the Apartheid and probabily the start of covid 19 as an age of increased technological development, less wars, greater social and economical mobility and globalization, all under USA sphere of influence.
HeathenUlfhedinn@reddit
The 80s and 90s were the golden age of society. The analog and digital meshed well together.
mementosmoritn@reddit
The age of energy expansion? The age of folly? The age of Capital?
jayesper@reddit
It was the age of Enron
Rossdxvx@reddit
As someone who grew up during the 90s:
Sure, things were better in the sense that the rot was not quite as in your face as it is now. It was more of lurking underneath the shiny surface of so-called “prosperity,” yet many of the same corporations and oligarchs were in total control then as they are now. Our political system was already thoroughly corrupted and dead for the average person. Billy Clinton proved all of that.
The Matrix sums that decade up pretty well. We were asleep in a mediascape of mass entertainments while everything was slowly being taken away from us in incremental steps.
But hey, I too miss the ignorant carefree days of my youth. And cable TV and blockbusters beats the shit out of streaming any day.
FirstEvolutionist@reddit
I wouldn't even say it was lurking. The only means to make something public was to have it in one of the few channels controlled by those oligarchs. Anybody who didn't live in a walled garden was aware that things were not as rosy as they were portrayed.
CatarroTitubante666@reddit
But I guess there were fewer alternative sources, or at least they weren’t so easily available as they are today
FirstEvolutionist@reddit
Yes. We went from the possibility of being blissfully unaware for the lucky ones to yearnjng denialist delusion as a coping mechanism for everyone in a few decades because of changes in media.
Bleusilences@reddit
Exactly, the prosperity we seen in the west was mostly because we were pillaging ex communist country and we were starting to surf on credit. It was also because it was only one or two decade into austerity politics, so the bill wasn't due yet.
Timely-Assistant-370@reddit
Haha yeah... think about all of those small moments we lost in the convenience of streaming. I think the last memory I will ever make in a BlockBuster is when I went in to rent The Incredibles with my dad. I found a dime that was heads-up in the parking lot, and then we did a little mini-celebration because we rented the last copy of the movie we came to get.
Vintage capitalism (still) bad aside- I had some nice memories of growing up before everything became available via Amazon and magical information waves.
PowerandSignal@reddit
Society jumped the shark with smartphones, tbh.
nakedonmygoat@reddit
I disagree somewhat. The problem was that they should've been introduced to society more slowly, and with more cautions. There were already people addicted to their "dumb" cell phones, so the outcome was inevitable. Letting kids have smart phones was also a poorly thought out idea.
Plenty of us who grew up analog never got addicted to our smart phones because we didn't expect instant communication. We also learned how to get around with maps, landmarks, and verbal instructions. I almost never use GPS, and the times my husband has used it on trips, it just gets us lost.
Not every boss abuses after-hours communication, which there ought to be laws, or at least company policies about. Crises were managed for thousands of years without daily after-hours group texts from the boss.
People, especially children, made friends a lot more easily when they weren't parked behind a screen with imaginary friends. And not enough people make "no phones" a requirement on dates or in meetings.
We adopted smart phone abuse before stopping to think of what sensible smart phone use might actually look like. People wanting to sell stuff ate it up and started apps that got people hooked.
The phones themselves aren't the problem. They're just a communication tool, and even come with a handy little toggle on the side to turn off all alerts. The problems are with the apps that suck people into a feedback loop, the abuse by bosses, and the way society embraced all of that before realizing that maybe this was a bad idea. Those of us who saw it as just another tool for our own convenience, and not that of every other person on the planet, are doing just fine.
chrismetalrock@reddit
only getting lost when you use the GPS has to be a real challenge. well done.
fedfuzz1970@reddit
There was a time when you could go on vacation and check your messages when you got home. The world did not end and your friends were still your friends when you returned. There was a time when bosses wouldn't ever think it was ok to contact you at your home.
KaMilAnRavgs@reddit
True.
ImSuperHelpful@reddit
Yeah and your mom isn’t yelling at you from the front of the store to pick something now or you get nothing/she’s leaving you here/or so help me/shoe flies across store, so you can spend an hour trying to find something to watch only to fall asleep before you hit play on anything
DarkRunner0@reddit
If this was the golden age...mankind is truly a failure.
CatarroTitubante666@reddit
George Carlin on USA be like:
ImSuperHelpful@reddit
More like the Irresponsible Carbon Emissions age, amirite?
takesthebiscuit@reddit
Yeah there was utterly zero concept of the consequences of this untapped growth,
Most, if not all energy was based on carbon.
While things are looking pretty bleak now at least there is recognition from most major economies that change is nessessery - even if they are not moving fast enough
In the 90s it was just grow and damn the consequences
Numerous-Macaroon224@reddit
McDonalds = massive animal (cow) agriculture methane emissions
vinegar@reddit
Massive cow Deployment over north america’s long-dwindling supremacy
Mafhac@reddit
The very lifestyle that led us all here 🥰
Prestigious_Wrap_932@reddit
The Golden Arches Age
fedfuzz1970@reddit
A McDonald's ad from back in the day: "Cheeseburger, fries and a coke, and change back from your dollar."
BTRCguy@reddit
Not from the 90's, though. That ad was probably gone by 1980.
filmguy36@reddit
It’s a love hate relationship. It hates capitalism but don’t get between it and a Big Mac
BTRCguy@reddit
Really needed to be a Radio Shack next to the Blockbuster...
Southern_Air3501@reddit
At this rate, a version of Blockbuster will return cuz we're sick of paying for all the streaming, especially with ads.
BibloBagman@reddit
I thought this subreddit hated capitalism?
MyOtherACCBanned@reddit
Capitalism is awesome it's all the woke lib tards that are destroying everything too much communism exists in America
CrystalInTheforest@reddit
That statement is a tragic indictment of the American education system.
MyOtherACCBanned@reddit
At least I used the right form of too that's like better that 60% of Americans
Fochiler@reddit
Used the wrong form of "than" though
Trumpton2023@reddit
Don't forget the Nazis
PowerandSignal@reddit
Who can forget!
KingOfKeshends@reddit
Want to break that down so that we can analyze it ?
Examples will help.
Johannes_P@reddit
I wonder if future generations will think that First World denizens of the late 20th century lived like deities: available healthcare, food aplenty, clean water and peace might seem as unattainable ideals for the next decades.
galt035@reddit
SomeShiitakePoster@reddit
Did they choose 1999 just because it was the current year the movie came out or did they fairly accurately predict that everything was going to get worse from then on
NameIsNotBrad@reddit
Yes
evenapoortailor@reddit
Thank you, Matrix needed to be here.
NeonGreenWorm@reddit
I thought both sucked at the time and honestly still do. I don't get nostalgia for when I was a kid in the 80s-90s, it wasn't that good.
Mom and Pop video stores were cool and Blockbuster killed them and the passage of time hasn't made burgers go away. McDonalds is still around and just as shitty as ever and there are still plenty places to get a good burger if you want.
So what part of this makes it a golden age? Was it your parents paying for it? Call them and see if they'll take you to dinner and to go see a movie, they probably will.
nakedonmygoat@reddit
I agree that these wouldn't be my chosen representations of a "golden age." But our amazing Mom & Pop video store survived just fine, and I live in a large city. It was the only place you could get just about every old or obscure movie in existence. Blockbuster couldn't hold a candle to it, and we returned the love.
And I wasn't raised on fast food, so I never saw the appeal of McDonald's or similar. I've known people over the years who just couldn't get enough, though.
The '90s were very much a hopeful time, mainly due to the collapse of the USSR and the tech boom. Prices on computers were going down right as they were becoming more versatile. I learned how to write simple programs in school in '81, but computers were still very limited in their uses. When the internet first became available to everyone and the price of a computer was no longer on a par with that of a used car, we knew something big was happening.
So I agree that there are other ways to represent that time than chain businesses and parking lots. But I disagree that it wasn't a hopeful time. For those of us who had grown to adulthood during the cold war, simply having that in the rear view mirror was cause to take a breath and relax.
PowerandSignal@reddit
Neither of those places have or had much positive to offer, but they are avatars of what was essentially the end of a golden age. The world was in one of its less murderous phases, America's post WWII dominance had no serious rivals at that moment, the environmental disaster we've created hadn't fully bloomed yet, and the early internet tech boom was creating incredible wealth.
It all started to go to shit around the change of millenia, but that moment in time was undeniably pleasant.
PrimalSaturn@reddit
It’s crazy to think that we have had uninterrupted peace for decades, it’s only natural for something to rock the boat again.
wageslave2022@reddit
Probably not
va_wanderer@reddit
Because it was. Reagan's dementia fogged destruction of safeguards hadn't fully corrupted the system quite yet, the economy hadn't been utterly robbed for the oligarchs, hope was still alive if on dwindling ground.
And 9/11 was years down the line. The trigger point where too many liberties were traded for security, only to end up with neither as the prosperity was drained like a slit throat. We still could look forward to something.
If I could wake up in the 90s, and expire ignorant on September 10th 2001, it would be a mercy.
chickenthinkseggwas@reddit
Those liberties were always going to be stolen from you one way or another. What you got was an excuse to steal them.
The dream that died on 9/11 was only your physical safety. It took you another 7 years to run out of credit to pay for the life support on your dream of safety from your own nation's endless hunger for wealth extraction.
PowerandSignal@reddit
I still vividly recall watching the election night returns of the 2000 presidential contest between Al Gore and George W. Bush. I was extremely worried since it was touch and go in either direction. Then they predicted Florida went to Gore after the polls closed, and I felt a huge surge of relief since I knew that would put him over the finish line. My phone rang and I was distracted for 45 minutes or so, and when I looked back at the TV, the result for Florida had changed to a win for Bush! It was a head snap moment for me, and I was overcome with a disorienting sense of dread.
That moment is burned into my psyche, because I believe it was a major tipping point. After the darkness of the Reagan/Bush years from '81-'93, the rest of the 90's were a great time. It seemed like we had a handle on a lot of society's big problems, and we were headed in a positive direction. Gore was exceptionally ready and well qualified to confront the largest one looming over us - human caused environmental destruction. It's incredibly obvious we'd be in a much better place today if he'd become president then. But the bastards won. We let them steal that election (and several since then) and we're now stuck on the shit mountain they built for us, with no good pathway down.
SubstanceStrong@reddit
Looks depressing af
dmonkbiz@reddit
I hope OP has the media literacy and critical thinking skills to realize this type of appeals are not dissimilar to those used by certain crowds when referring to the “times of empire.”
The US has never had a golden age for anyone except for its elites of slaveholders, pedophiles, neoliberals, racists, etc.
Bleusilences@reddit
Yes but we sold the future for having a little bit more than.
PowerandSignal@reddit
For a brief shining moment, we created positive returns for our investors.
CrystalInTheforest@reddit
The "golden age" was Maccas and Blockbuster?
Wtf?
Glodraph@reddit
And huge concrete parking lots it seems..ew
CrystalInTheforest@reddit
STROADS OF PARADISE LOST
rmannyconda78@reddit
I be painted a picture of one in my town, it was the last classic style one in my area til they tore it down not too long ago, this was painted in 2019
Allcyon@reddit
Those burgers were less than a dollar.
That video rental next door was more expensive than the dinner at McDs.
Holy hell.
friendsandmodels@reddit
To quote my fav Gintama song: "Good Time is now"
Someones_Dream_Guy@reddit
US? A proper country? Those dont go in the same sentence, barbarian.
thehourglasses@reddit
George Carlin had the best take on this. Only Americans could be so fucking braindead as to turn the pristine North American content into a giant shopping mall.
farfrompukenjc@reddit
With fucking N64s mounted on the walls. Wish we could know we were in the best times before they were gone.
StatementBot@reddit
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Monsur_Ausuhnom:
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because the previous era of Blockbuster and McDonalds might be the Golden Age to whatever is going to happen next. We seem to be heading into the collapse age of the anthropocene that will likely be continued stupid decisions, climate change, and other idiotic things that will happen. It will likely get worse.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1si2jah/the_golden_age/ofh4lnf/
NottaNiceUsername@reddit
If there are future generations, they will have little cause to view this time as anything other than the cause of their misery and deprivation.
quequotion@reddit
It was the 90s, the peak of Western Civilization.
Monsur_Ausuhnom@reddit (OP)
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because the previous era of Blockbuster and McDonalds might be the Golden Age to whatever is going to happen next. We seem to be heading into the collapse age of the anthropocene that will likely be continued stupid decisions, climate change, and other idiotic things that will happen. It will likely get worse.