Upgrading to a RTX 5070 with an i7 8700k
Posted by cjljnl456@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 26 comments
Hello! So I’ve been looking to upgrade my RTX 2080 super since I’ve picked up a 165hz 1440p monitor and it’s always maxing out the 8gb vram. Ive been eyeing a brand new pny RTX 5070 for $600 that has been there for about a month now and im pretty sure he’ll take $550
Yes I know it would be around a 33% or more bottleneck, I am looking into upgrading to a 7800x3d sometime in the near future. And I’d be keeping the 5070 for a long while.
But if I could get $250 for my 2080s with box and papers it would be about a $200 upgrade.
Do you think it’s worth it to pick it up at $550, and would I be okay with running it with my 8700k for a little while? And would using DLSS 4.5 help with the bottleneck?
Technova_SgrA@reddit
I think you’ll be fine. I paired a 5070 ti with an 8700k recently and have been comparing it with a 5070 ti with a 7700x at ~4k (dlss performance preset L when available) and the 8700k holds its own.
https://imgur.com/a/CNhpU4c
Food for thought.
cjljnl456@reddit (OP)
Damn! That’s actually really surprising considering they’re 5 years ~ apart. Man, thank you for sending that! Tbh that pretty sets it in stone that I’ll be heading a couple hours north to pick it up, and hopefully by the time I upgrade the rest of the system prices will be a little lower!
Withinmyrange@reddit
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080-super.c3439 Its 81% faster so it's a great upgrade. No clue what you mean by a 33%
Bottlenecks are really misunderstood and misused in general. There will always be a bottleneck in a system, and it's fine. In gpu intensive games, you are still going to get a significant boost in performance especially if you are lacking vram. In cpu intensive games, yeah the jump won't be as significant, but it will be there.
Really depends on your use case and needs but it seems like the tasks you perform value a gpu more since you are on 1440p and you mention lacking vram
cjljnl456@reddit (OP)
Bottleneck calculator (yes I know they’re sketchy lmao) says about a 20% cpu bottleneck with the 5070. But yeah, most I’ve seen my cpu hit is 55% even though it’s more about single/multi core speed rather than usage. I was just worried it would be to large of a bottleneck with a cpu this old. Thank you!
Withinmyrange@reddit
Bottleneck calculators are pure bs and should never be relied on because there is no way to quantify it that will give you an average. There are cpu intensive programs, gpu intensive, memory, or maybe some programs benefit from more cores. There is no average formula that takes that all into account.
maniacalmayh3m@reddit
People worry about bottlenecks way too much. Especially at cards that should be running 1440p like a 5070. I have a 5700x which is far from top of the line but it’s my GPU, 9070xt, that is full utilization on most games which is a mid-high end card
cjljnl456@reddit (OP)
Very true, too many variables to be reliable, didn’t think about it like that! Any ideas on how much performance I would lose considering my z370 motherboard is only pcie 3.0 with the 5070 being a 5.0 card? Forgot to mention that.
Withinmyrange@reddit
A little bit of performance loss but its not significant.
Make sure your psu is beefy enough to support the 5070
cjljnl456@reddit (OP)
Oh good, I was worried about that. I’ve got Corsair rm 850x about 2 years old, my og 750w thermaltake took a dump on me👍🏻 thank you for all the answers man, much appreciated
Getz2oo3@reddit
To piggy back off of u/Withinmyrange 's comments here. 1440p is kind of your saving grace in regard to bottlenecks. And he's absolutely right, bottlenecks are in more places than just CPU <-> GPU.
You'll be perfectly fine with that 5070 until you can upgrade your CPU. The biggest drawback you have from that 8700k, is really just it's age. Newer stuff just beats it to death and it can't keep up with the fight.
Also, don't worry about your PCI-E version. The reality is this... That 5070 is not filling up the bandwidth pipe on PCI-E 3.0, never mind 5.0 when it comes to gaming. Doing other tasks, like synthetic stuff, AI, high-resolution rendering... maybe. Edge cases perhaps. You can thank the 5070 actually using all 16 PCI-E Lanes that are available, rather than being restricted to x8 like the lower-end models, like the 5060.
Nosferatu_V@reddit
Bottleneck calculators are shit, for real. There's no such thing as a 33% bOtTLeNeCk. Like what does that even mean?? And how is it even calculated? Is it that the GPU would sit at 67% utilization (?) cuse it's not how these things work. Sometimes things dont scale linearly.
Nstorm24@reddit
I would say, ignore all of that bottlenecking scales and just get the gpu. Its a good graphics card that can last a long time and later on you can upgrade the rest of the system.
cjljnl456@reddit (OP)
That’s the plan, eventually to AM5 probably a 7800x3d or 9000 series depending on pricing when I do, I just figured now might be a good time to upgrade the gpu since nvidia slowed production and aren’t planning on refreshing the 50 series anymore, making prices worse
gamblodar@reddit
At that price, it's not a horrible deal. You can get a new 9070 for $619, which will provide better gaming fps.
cjljnl456@reddit (OP)
I’ve definitely looked into the 9070, especially since it has 16gb of vram. But I worry about running into driver issues and the corresponding adrenaline issues with AMD. I also really like having dlss, even with them having fsr. Do you think the 12gb of vram would be enough for a couple years to come? I was going to wait for the 50 series refresh but it doesn’t look like that’s coming anytime soon…
gamblodar@reddit
I do too. But I'd rather have more real fps before needing upscaling, and the 9070 is faster with more vram.
cjljnl456@reddit (OP)
Fair point, do you think having dlss 4.5 would extend the lifespan of the 5070? Like running AAA games at 1440 for years down the road? I’ve heard some people have issues when running FSR with amd cards but amd is also always improving.
Lonely_Platform7702@reddit
5070 has about 15% OC headroom and DLSS is far better supported than FSR. I would just get the 5070 personally.
cjljnl456@reddit (OP)
I should have mentioned that it is the OC version of the pny card too, but I didn’t know how far i could push the clocks so thank you
gamblodar@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/s/hZe3e4vSym
Pineapple_Scorpion@reddit
I'm using a 9070 at 1440, haven't run into driver issues although I've seen lots of posts about them. If i was going to move back to Nvidia I would only consider the 5070ti and up personally. The 5070 with 12gb vram and less real performance inl would not be able to stomach since in my market it's also more expensive
cjljnl456@reddit (OP)
That’s what I really wanted but unfortunately 5070ti s in my area are around 800-900 and out of budget. The TI just doesn’t seem worth the extra $250 as of now. There is a asrock challenger 9070 listed for $550, but I worry about issues. When I get home I just want to hop on and not worry about troubleshooting. That being said I did have a r9 380 that lasted 7 years till I sold it
Pineapple_Scorpion@reddit
Yeah I enjoy the tinkering personally but it wasn't for basic functionality for me it's more min/max tuning. Out of the box I think the performance is fine, I'm using amd cpu and GPU and have tweaked extensively and the best actual improvment insane came from tuning the ram lol
jbshell@reddit
Also maybe 5060 Ti 16GB if find a good deal.
VersaceUpholstery@reddit
If it all comes out to $300, pretty solid upgrade regardless of whatever bottleneck you’ll have. You’ll still have a noticeable performance boost
Naerven@reddit
Yes it's a solid upgrade so if you want it just get it.