how risky is buying a 100k+ mile bmw 3 series?
Posted by Lucifer220778@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 49 comments
I’m looking at a 2012 BMW 3 Series with just over 100k miles. It looks clean and the price is tempting, but I’m not sure how risky that mileage is for this car
I’ve heard mixed opinions about reliability once they pass 100k, especially with maintenance costs
What are the common issues I should check before committing?
Chainsawsas70@reddit
Nothing is more expensive than a German car that is Out of factory warranty. ANY of them...
glidus@reddit
Not true at all, there are a few engines that do have some issues but your statement is completely false.
dman77777@reddit
Hur dee dur ... buy a Camry
JustLurkingPCForums@reddit
mY bMw HaS a MiLlIoN mIlEs On It AnD hAs HaD nO pRoBlEmS
walledisney@reddit
;)
Alreadyinuseok@reddit
Best shit idea you will ever have.
You will constantly be said "oh but its a great reliable engine while every other thing falls apart and fixing these minor failures cost stupid amount of money.
Yes I have owned +10 year old BMW with 100k+ miles.
SpacePirateWatney@reddit
How do you put it…like, what’s the level of risk raw dogging a hooker?
StandardRutabaga7040@reddit
I don't do that in my bmw rawdog or otherwise.
Hoody007@reddit
Is it a 4 cylinder or the 6? If it’s a coupe/convertible/wagon, it’s the 6. A sedan is rhetorical 4 cylinder and those had many, many issues until 2017 when the next gen motor was introduced.
Avoid the N20 (4 cylinder) the N52 (6 cylinder)is Toyota-levels of reliability.
bmxracers@reddit
Well…what’s the price? Those engines have the wrong consonant. You want the Bs not the Ns.
precocious_necrosis@reddit
Insufficient data to make any recommendation.
My wife's 2010 328xi has 230,000 miles and is perfect. My 2004 325ci has 130,000 miles and is perfect. I drove a 1995 540i to 260,000 miles before it got totaled by an inattentive driver. My 1985 325e had 320,000 miles when I gave it to my nephew.
But if you're looking at anything with a turbo, and you don't know anything about cars yourself, then don't bother.
dirtydrew26@reddit
Doesnt matter what you say, the reddit hivemind thinks every BMW ever made is unreliable and expensive.
And 99% of those same people have no fucking idea how a car works or even where to start working on one.
Daimler-450@reddit
That cars been run thru and trashed at this pt lmao
Past_Region4720@reddit
There's a saying: "The most expensive car is a cheap BMW"
Muf711@reddit
Thats low mileage steal over here
bradland@reddit
2012 is the first year BMW put the N20 engine in the 328i. I've owned a fair number of BMWs, but you couldn't pay me to own an N20. The early ones are a ticking time bomb. The timing chain guides were made of a plastic that got brittle when exposed to heat and oil. Not great for something that lives in the crank case.
The plastic starts to break apart, clogs the oil pickup, and ultimately fails causing timing slip. When that happens, the valves hit the pistons and the motor is destroyed.
That's not the only plastic that gets brittle. Most of the black plastic fittings in the engine bay, including the coolant lines are made from a black plastic that crumbles to bits after 10 years or so.
Oh, and the charge pipe is also prone to cracking.
Oh, and if it's an xDrive model, you can also expect to replace the transfer case at some point.
Oh, and the front diffs are prone to failure.
Oh, and the engine leaks oil from the valve cover, oil pan, and oil filter housing.
Oh, and the PCV valves are pretty notorious for failing, but the good news is they're built into the valve cover the cracks, so you get to kill two birds with one stone.
Oh, and if you want to remove the oil pan, you have to drop the front sub-frame and remove the passenger side axle, because it runs through the oil pan. Yeah, you read that right. The front axle goes through the oil pan.
As a BMW fan, fuck that entire generation of BMW cars. I'm so pissed at BMW for trashing their brand.
Major_Enthusiasm1099@reddit
There will just be little shit that goes out on you and will cost you an arm and a leg to fix. Like my coworker’s freaking window regulator went out on his used BMW and it costed a few hundred.
mattkime@reddit
Ask some bmw owners and see what they think. Everyone here is going to be disgusted that you’re not buying a Camry.
e4Td4Y3L32aBHqp@reddit
I have a 2011 3 series that I’ve had for 9 years, it’s done 135k miles. I’m waiting for it to die before I buy a new car, I anticipate buying a new car later this year.
Ok-Switch9308@reddit
If you have a lift at home and skills, go enjoying it
LordAnubis85@reddit
If it isn't leaking now, it will be soon.
Fire1777@reddit
Get a quote from an aftermarket warranty company. We had one with ethos and they paid for my wife’s replacement transmission, power steering pump etc. over 8k for both
dumpitdog@reddit
Similar to attending a large lets go raw dog orgy in sub-Saharan Africa.
2ndharrybhole@reddit
Why though
eagleeye1031@reddit
My question is: why?
You arent impressing anyone with a 14 year old 3 series. It doesnt drive that great for the amount of trouble it is. And you can get a newer toyota with similar mileage for the same price or cheaper.
AnotherDrone001@reddit
Can you turn a wrench? If you can perform some repairs and maintenance yourself, it wouldn’t be as bad.
If you’re taking it to a shop for every little thing, especially if you’re taking it to a BMW dealership… don’t buy it.
ItsMister2You@reddit
The only common issue is the fact that it's a BMW that's 14 years old with 100,000 miles on it. That's all you need to know. Run far far away from this thing. And don't take me for a BMW hater. I love 3 series. But I would never ever buy that car
alexcutyourhair@reddit
I bought my 1 series at 116k and it now has 133k, only ever had to replace the engine mounts and it could use a transmission change but otherwise it has been mostly fine. Mine has an N20 that was looked after by the previous owners so it's a mix of having a good owner history and luck. Just always be prepared to drop a bunch of money on it but if you buy well you shouldn't really have problems
Inner-Chemistry2576@reddit
Only if you have deep pockets.
NoobensMcarthur@reddit
“A rich man can buy a new BMW. A wealthy man can buy a used one”
Ashnyel@reddit
Depends on a number of factors, pretty much for any car….
How much is it? Was it well maintained? Was the owner a careful driver? And so on….
AgitatedHat5620@reddit
Depends how it was maintained. If you can’t wrench I wouldn’t. If you can it can be a great value
No_Commercial4074@reddit
170k mile e90 m3 here. Parts start to fail over time but mine still runs great. If you can do the work yourself or you have a reasonably priced indie shop, I wouldnt be afraid. Just have an inspection done and pay accordingly.
just_a_random_guy733@reddit
If you don't even know the engine code and have looked up specific common problems, then don't bother. That's the only way to not screw yourself.
JayRexx@reddit
11/10 risky.
jsaranczak@reddit
You know damn well it's a bad idea lol.
YeahIGotNuthin@reddit
You use the word "risk" like there's some uncertainty.
There is no uncertainty.
These cars need certain things done to them as they age. Some of those things are expensive.
There is no "risk" involved here. There is no chance of finding one that WON'T need that stuff done.
That's like wondering about "the risk" of buying a car with 1/8 of a tank showing on the fuel gauge, "gosh, I sure hope it won't need gas!" You gotta know, it's gonna take a few bucks to fill up.
Diptothaset@reddit
Some cars you can guarantee will be drove hard. Mustangs and Subarus and bmw 3 series are at the top of the list for sure
Rare-Bet-870@reddit
Don’t. Just don’t
andresAtMudra@reddit
Compared to getting a model 3 which might be the best car in the world right now for low maintenance, very risky
Hot-Development-9036@reddit
Unless you can do your own maintenance I would run away from it. They are not reliable cars.
If you decide to go ahead with it get a pre purchase inspection. Known issues with those cars are the cooling system. Plastic and get brittle with age. I would replace the radiator and hoses proactively.
If they don’t have maintenance records run away. BMWs are notorious for deferred maintenance and over time it adds up. Look for regular oil changes, transmission fluid changes, etc.
poutine-eh@reddit
when I was little car odometer rolled over at 100k miles. My how times are changing. It’s an old car….. does BMW still support the model and do you know a mechanic who knows these cars?
Substantial_Team6751@reddit
The risk is that every time it needs a repair, it's $1000-2000-3000 because you need a BMW specialist mechanic. Everything is more expensive because one would be an idiot to take a BMW to Jiffy Lube or any chain.
You can mitigate a lot of risk by having all the major failure points checked out in a pre-purchase inspection.
You can mitigate the cost of an older BMW with a lot of DIY and buying parts online at a steep discount.
nolongerbanned99@reddit
Get it if you don’t like money
fastbeemer@reddit
I would never own a high mileage German vehicle..... Again.
I've had high mileage BMW's, never again.
layourlaobubu@reddit
Get after 2016 f30 b48 2L engines instead. Any thing before that with the N series prince engine will leave u crying with regrets and pain.
nakanisalad@reddit
My background: owned a 2015 320i xdrive 2014-2024. Did all the maintenance and servicing by the book. 10k mile oil changes, alignments, replacing wear and tear parts, etc. I would not have sold that vehicle to any friend or family. The car would vibrate at around the 3 hour mark on road trips, and throttle was noticeably weaker and concerning. It was fine on drives under 2 hours, no issues. What I’m trying to say is, it’s impossible to determine the condition of a car with an eye test. And with german cars, repairs aint cheap. Tldr: as a former 3-series owner of 10 years, i would advise against it.
Captkarate42@reddit
The reliability of those cars is not great.
There will be a lot of people that tell you "they're reliable if you do the maintenance" without mentioning the cost or frequency of that maintenance. On any 14 year old car, it's fairly safe to assume that basically every single suspension bushing, piece of plastic, and piece of rubber will fail to some degree at some point in the next several years, and many of them could probably already stand to be replaced.
Parts availability and cost are also not that great, depending on where you live.
rudbri93@reddit
Coolant and oil filter housing gasket leaks are common