Inside Israel's expansionist ambitions • Israel has never officially defined its borders, but Israeli settlers and ministers are flirting with the biblical idea of extending them far beyond the current state. What's behind the concept of "Greater Israel"?
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Daniela Weiss holds a laminated map of the Middle East with the title "The Promised Land" into the camera and says: "This is the promise of God to the patriarchs of the Jewish nation."
The map shows a Jewish state that encompasses parts of Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia – extending way beyond the 1949 armistice line, the so-called Green Line that defines Israel's territory according to international law.
Weiss – sometimes nicknamed "the godmother of the Israeli settler movement" – is referring to the idea of "Greater Israel", or in Hebrew "Eretz Israel HaShlema" – "Complete Israel." It's an expansionist concept popular among the Israeli far right that originates in the Bible.
In March 2023, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich caused diplomatic turmoil when he spoke at a Paris memorial behind a podium featuring a "Greater Israel" map that included not only the territories Israel currently occupies but also Jordan.
In March 2026, he called for the annexation of southern Lebanon.
In September 2024, when speaking about his plans for "the day after" the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented a map that fully annexed the West Bank.
In August 2025, he told the Israeli channel i24NEWS that he was "very much" connected to the vision of "Greater Israel," prompting Egypt and Jordan to demand clarifications from Israel.
And just a few months ago, in February 2026, the US Ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, told American talkshow host Tucker Carlson that it would be "fine" if Israel took over the entire Middle East.
Expansion is already reality
Israel expanded its borders beyond what was proposed in the UN Partition Plan in 1947. The plan allocated about 56% of former British Mandatory Palestine to a future Jewish state, but after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Israel controlled about 77%.
Since occupying East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in 1967, Israel effectively controls nearly all of former Mandatory Palestine, in addition to the Golan Heights.
The UN views all Israeli settlements beyond the Green Line as a violation of international law, and in an advisory opinion of 2024, the International Court of Justice found the occupation to be illegal.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
My very primitive, probably not well informed view on the Israeli bombings in lebanon is that hezbollah has taken hold of the southern regions of lebanon, the one that israel borders in the north. And so israel is tkaing action there to defend themselves from them. How accurate is that?
Zellgun@reddit
Hezbollah was formed in 1982, literally in response to Israel’s invasion of Lebanon that year. Hezbollah was literally a product of Israeli aggression, and that was already the second time Israel invaded, they did so back in 1978 as well.
Unfortunately that “taking action” you’re talking about involves massacring thousands of innocent civilians. Maybe you can happily bury the corpses of your loved ones and move on with your life, but I’m not surprised that there are plenty of people out there who would look at more violent options for dealing with their loss.
DorkHarshly@reddit
Forgot to mention PLO in your one side story. Israel attacked Lebanon for three reasons only (at least officially).
Attacks from Lebanon (like Hezbollah, PLO etc)
Prevention of attack from Lebanon (like 6 day war or Hezbollah moving forces close to border)
Kidnapping of Israeli soldiers to Lebanon territory(see point 1)
Can't defend usage of excessive force but I can't think of any instance of Israel initiating exchange with Lebanon.
Eldgrimm@reddit
Israel started attacking Lebanon after October 7th. Hezbollah had not attacked Israel prior to Israel starting the war by murdering a group of Reuters journalists on Lebanese soil (who had notified the IDF of their position) by Artillery fire.
DorkHarshly@reddit
Israel was bombed by Hezbollah ON Oct 08. The event you mentioned was on 13th, 5 days of rocket fire after...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah%E2%80%93Israel_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present)
You will have trouble to find Israel initiating violence at least on that front.
Eldgrimm@reddit
You are lying. Hezbollah did not attack Israel on October 8th. They fired on Israeli troops illegally occupying another nation's territory. If Israeli occupation forces do not want to be shot at, they should just fuck back to where they belong, which is inside Israel. Same as with Russian troops in Ukraine. Israel did, however, then start bombing Lebanon, which makes this a war of agression, because illegal occupation forces do not have a right to self defence.
DorkHarshly@reddit
I don't understand if you did not read the article and speaking out of ignorance or you have some alternative vision on how Israeli borders should look.
Regardless, in both cases, there was no active conflict with Hezbollah before they fired, and then suddenly there was. If you think that their attack was justified that's on you but that's another discussion.
Eldgrimm@reddit
Dude, not even the Israeli government is claiming that the Sheeba farms are Israeli territory. So yes, even they agree with me that the Israeli troops stationed there are part of an illegal occupation force.
And my vision of Israels borders are the ones as of June 5th, 1967. You got a proplem with those?
Proper-Community-465@reddit
Israel invaded Lebanon because Lebanon let the PLO take over the area and launch attacks on Israel which is exactly what is happening with Hezbollah.
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
“Let”
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
ok well was the PLO there or not? seems like if they where in a situation similar to the one they are in today, with hostile groups attacking them from south lebanon, then its reasonable for them to invade
Surv1ver@reddit
Didn’t Israel invade the south as a response to the Syrian invasion of the north, which again was a response to AMAL (secular and Sunni fraction with ba’ath/pan Arab nationalism) and LF (Mennonite liberal fraction) fighting a civil war over Lebanese independence, and then do to the Iranian revolution hezbollah was created by Shi’i Muslims and Palestinian refugees in and around the Bekaa valley, southern Lebanon, and southern Beirut?
HockeyHocki@reddit
Incredible you can farm that many downvotes when your view is 100% correct. Shows the state of this sub sadly
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
it is what it is
TomTomXD1234@reddit
Its not really to defend themselves when they literally flatten all cities in southern Lebanon, take the land, and will then likely put settlements on it.
We are also forgetting the fact that rockets fly much farther than the size of southern Lebanon. Meaning israel taking that land isn't really protecting much when it comes to being bombed. The rockets will just come from Central or northern Lebanon instead.
HockeyHocki@reddit
This line is trotted out literally every time Israel have gone into Lebanon to deal with Hezbollah shitheels. Half the country should be filled with Israeli settlements by now😂
KaiBahamut@reddit
I'm sure the settlers, who are already spread like muck over the West Bank, are deeply disappointed that they haven't been able to fill Lebanon with their worthless bodies.
HockeyHocki@reddit
"Ok sure we're talking bullshit but West Bank"
KaiBahamut@reddit
Oh, and Gaza before 2005. And the Golane Heights.
Who are you trying to convince that Israeli's won't try and settle southern Lebanon as soon as they are allowed?
HockeyHocki@reddit
Certainly not you, anyone parroting Hezbollah propaganda is a lost cause
KaiBahamut@reddit
Do you deny your siblings, hundreds of thousands, living in the West Bank? You're asking us to believe that something Israelis have done in the hundreds of thousands, with expansions going up in the West Bank and Golan Heights, that they won't do it in Lebanon if the opportunity comes?
HockeyHocki@reddit
Israel occupied southern Lebanon for 18 years and didn't build a single settlement, nothing will convince you.
sivvon@reddit
Yes, occupied. Now they will attempt to Annex. Two different concepts.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Yeah pal they occupied it for 18 years and didn't annex it because they weren't.... in the mood? But this time round they're definately gonna do it!!
Keep drinking that Hezb Kool-Aid
sivvon@reddit
The goal back then was to remove the PLO and establish a buffer zone. Which they did. They ended up leaving because Hezbollah was waging an effective gorilla campaign against the occupiers. Losses were adding up and bodies were being sent home. The appetite from the Israel public waned and there was no clear objective so they left.
This time, the objective appears to be different. Greater Israel is being spoken about in public discourse now by the press and government ministers.
It's all about timing and opportunity. Israel also occupied the Sinai for 15 years to create a buffer zone with Egypt and for other strategic reasons and even pushed heavily to settle the area before eventually withdrawing. They eventually withdrew because Egypt was a serious military adversary and the cost and risk was too high.
Lebanon is as close to a failed state as it gets. They don't fear their conventional armies at all. Especially now that Syria has been neutered.
No koolaid, just not a mouth breather like you.
HockeyHocki@reddit
A grand total of two far right ministers? Oh yeah and lets not forget netanyahu said he was 'connected to a vision' lmao. Yeah bulletproof theory youve got there mate
The reason you saps are so desperate for it to be true is because it would finally after 40+ years transform all the bullshit propaganda hezbollah peddled about why they need to be there into reality, their presence would finally be justified
Of course you never get what you want because the only reason Isreal ever go into Lebanon, plain as day to to anyone with above room temp IQ, is to deal with Hezbollah themselves🤦♂️
Lebanese president Joseph Aoun this week on your noble defenders of Lebanon;
Calling the Shiite Muslim group “an armed faction … that places no value on Lebanon’s interest nor on the life of its people,” Aoun said Hezbollah “wanted to achieve the fall of the State of Lebanon, under aggression and chaos.” He accused the group of working “for the sake of the calculations of the Iranian regime.”
sivvon@reddit
Which two ministers? It's more than two ministers, you are wrong. It's openly talked about in Israeli society. Just like how USA society openly muses about who it should bomb next. Far right? The Israel government is all far right. Netanyahu himself has spoken about greater Israel many times in public, even recently at the UN.
Why would anyone be desperate for it to be true? You really are sick in the head. Go touch grass. To much brain rot for you.
HockeyHocki@reddit
So as a last resort you'll just invent shit up? No Netanyahu has never talked about greater Israel at the UN🤣
Fucking sad mate
sivvon@reddit
Sorry, you are correct. He spoke with the greater Israel map behind him. That's not an accident.
I'm not a robot, I can't remember every single detail sometimes.
My point still stands.
HockeyHocki@reddit
And still with the lies, if you had listened to that speech youd know damn well its a map showing normalised relations in region once SA get on board with Abraham accords
You are regurgitating lies spread from whatever disgusting communities and feeds you subscribe to that peddle this shit unchallenged
sivvon@reddit
It removed Palestine from the map. No Gaza, no west bank, no east Jerusalem. Just Israel absorbing Palestine. No other country had its borders changed or removed.
From the river to the sea 😉
KaiBahamut@reddit
Pattern of behavior bub. They pulled out of Gaza because it wasn’t safe for settlers and focused on the West Bank. The settlers are tactical,they pick their battles.
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
They literally just flattened hundreds of houses wtf are you saying
HockeyHocki@reddit
wtf has that got to do with settlements
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
Where do you think the settlements go, dingus?
HockeyHocki@reddit
Are you really this dim
Maeglom@reddit
He's apparently not dim enough to buy your propaganda.
MCB1317@reddit
That's exactly what has happened. Hezbollah has launched over ten thousand rockets at Israeli civilians over the past 2-3 years and Israel is going to war to root them out.
It's really that simple. People just get very upset when certain folks defend themselves.
manhattanabe@reddit
Correct. Of course, the conflict originates with Lebanon declaring war on Israel in 1948. However, most recently, Hezbollah joined the U.S.-Israel/Iran war by firing missiles from Lebanon and Israel responded. This is continuation of the Hezbollah attack on Israel in support of the Oct 7 Hamas massacre. As a result of those attacks, 10s of thousands of Israelis have been displaced and unable to return home for over 2 years.
capt_fantastic@reddit
ffs.
_Antitese@reddit
lmao
2times34point5@reddit
Same idea with claiming every person they shot or bombed or crushed with a bulldozer in Gaza is “hamas”.
No one can question you, and to even suggest you might have murdered an innocent person could be interpreted as “siding with the terrorists”.
This is the final stage of dehumanization.
There’s countless videos of israeli decision makers screaming that every man woman and child in gaza must be destroyed.
NotGalenNorAnsel@reddit
Was Osama bin Laden protecting Saudis when he attacked the world trade center?
This is actual state terrorism. End. Of. Story. Israel is a rogue state in need of complete restructuring, but we aren't even gonna get their corrupt leader to trial for which he has already been indicted.
ArealOrangutanIswear@reddit
When the Israelis killed Khomeini, Hezbollah launched a missile that reached Tel Aviv.
The distance it flew to reach there is basically the entirety of Lebanon.
Does the fact that Hezbollah have long reaching rockets matter to how far Israel will steal land?
No it's just another excuse. Is that accuracy to the point ?
bluecheese2040@reddit
When can we realise that Israel is like apartheid worth Africa and treat it accordingly?
The institutionalised racism in Israel is incredible.
The expansionist ideology is akin to the nazis.
I hope that atitudes are changing
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Israel was substantially larger in 1980 than it is today. And then gave Sinai back to Egypt in exchange for peace.
Doesn’t seem like the facts support your claims of expansionism.
bluecheese2040@reddit
But the theft of the west bank...the active calls for expansion would seem to support my claims wouldn't they.
How's your war going for Israel?
rollandownthestreet@reddit
There have been half a dozen two-state solution proposals. All rejected and retaliated against with war. So now the West Bank won’t be part of a second state like Israel proposed so many times. Shame it went this way.
bluecheese2040@reddit
I mean I can't disagree. In hindsight the Palestinians have been shockingly naive and poorly led in that sense. But what we see from.israel today is scarily.similar to the nazis dream of living room or lebensraum which they used to justify their invasion of the Soviet Union.
It's honestly quite shocking.
I'm not one of the green haired leftist types and have been sympathetic to Israel my whole life. I totally supported them after the October 7th attacks...but what's followed...and.what they are doing today I realise I was wrong. When they lose the support of people like.me its a problem....unfortunately there are still many Americans that are getting down on their knees to lick the Israeli boot it seems.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
My war going what?
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
Was the land suitable for living on? When I hear Sinai I think Sinai desert which then makes me think it's non hospitable land with little value.
xland44@reddit
Israeli here. In the context of Israel this is an irrelevant question - most of israel proper was not suitable for living on.
60% of Israel is the Negev Desert. Tel Aviv was a couple of sand dunes -here's a picture of Tel Aviv when it was first founded - desert.
The remainder used to be for the most part marshland or swampland, infested with malaria. This was an active fight to de-malarize and dry the swamplands for the first few decades of Israel's existence - one of the solutions to this was widespread planting of Eucalyptus trees in marshlands, which is why you can find these trees pretty much everywhere in the country.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Egypt considered it important enough to trade for permanent peace because its a very important area geopolitically, literally bridging Africa and Asia and controlling the east bank of the Suez Canal.
The Sinai is about 3x larger than Israel’s territory. Most of Israel’s population lives on land that was formerly considered uninhabitable desert. I think we can presume it would have been highly valuable for them to keep.
MCB1317@reddit
Holy crap. A post in this thread that isn't deluded nonsense!
insitnctz@reddit
They have infiltrated western goverments with a variety of ways. Mossad, rich people buying lands and owning key businesses, lobbying(aipac), bankers.
We will never treat them like apartheid.
moonorplanet@reddit
Israel is going to drag the whole current world order or western order down with them
Lowetheiy@reddit
This is what happens when Israel's enemies refuse to accept it's right to exist and constantly wage wars to try to attack and destroy Israel. Of course, every time Israel survives, comes out on top, and obtains a piece of territory to buffer against future attacks.
Maybe if they stopped in 1948 (or 1967 or 1973) and made peace with Israel, there would a prosperous Palestinian state now. But unfortunately, their hatred has blinded them to the possibility of peace and now they pay the price for it.
KaiBahamut@reddit
“This is what happens when Israel’s enemies refuse to leave their land and make us kill them to take it.”
Lowetheiy@reddit
I get it, you hate Israel and nothing I say will convince you otherwise. So I will keep it simple: Free Israel!
KaiBahamut@reddit
Who is occupying Israel? Who is oppressing them?
rollandownthestreet@reddit
The 99% of the region that surrounds them and has heavily persecuted any Jews still remaining outside Israel?
KaiBahamut@reddit
He didn’t say Jews , he said Israel. Who does Israel need freed from?
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Sorry, same answer. The states and forces around it dedicated to its destruction and the death of its people.
For example, the Yemeni flag may say “Death to Israel,” it also says “A curse on the Jews.”
So while you may see a difference between Israel and Jews, genocidal regimes in the region disagree with you.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Source?
rollandownthestreet@reddit
You can’t use Google to look up the Yemeni flag? Lol
Ropetrick6@reddit
You said that every dtate in the region is solely dedicated to the destruction of ISISrael, you've yet to provide a source for it.
KaiBahamut@reddit
So… is Israel occupied?
No?
Do these nations have a global superpower or nuclear weapons backing them up?
No?
It doesn’t sound like Israel needs to be free from anything then. Especially when it’s been on the offensive lately. And any serious attempt to invade it will be crushed by the US and nuclear weapons.
Token993@reddit
This is what happens when everyone time Israel is getting the shit kicked out of them they call on their trump card, the US military to sort things out for them
Visual-Squirrel3629@reddit
There exists 15 million Jews in the world. Only a certain percentage of those are willingto , and capable of fighting for this grand Israeli dream. This whole idea makes no mathematical sense.
Factor in that Israel can't currently defend itself from Iranian and Hezbollah missiles, attempting to expand their territory is a fool's errand.
Jugaimo@reddit
You’re exactly right, and why the concept of Greater Israel is nothing more than anti-zionist propaganda. Israel has zero desire to rule over a desert filled with muslims who hate them. All they want is a nation of their own where they can be the majority. Expanding Israel directly contradicts that goal.
Gubbinso@reddit
If that's the case, why have they occupied the West Bank since 1967? Why do they keep arming, training and protecting settlers and accepting settlement proposals in the West Bank? Why are they trying to annex the West bank? The PA have barely any governing power, and Israel can and has overruled them when it sees fit. You're the one who has been propagandised; your view doesn't align with reality.
Also Bibi has affirmed his belief of "Greater Israel": https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-says-hes-on-a-historic-and-spiritual-mission-endorses-vision-of-greater-israel/
Jugaimo@reddit
Because Gaza/West Bank refuses to accept any kind of solution. Israel has repeatedly given “Palestine” many opportunities to accept a 1-state or 2-state solution. And at every turn the Palestinians refuse and launch terror attacks. Israel has now accepted the fact that negotiations simply aren’t an option anymore. And are left with only one choice. Force them to coexist peacefully or die.
The settlers are emboldened by an increasingly apathetic Israeli populace. Every attack by Hamas or other Iran-backed Palestinian terror group strains the relationship even further. Now there is no sympathy left. They had 80 to accept a 2-state solution offered by Israel. And now it’s too late.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Source?
Jugaimo@reddit
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/analysis/the-six-times-palestinian-leaders-rejected-a-state-jj9m5sqk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/palestinian-majority-rejects-two-state-solution-backs-tactical-compromises
The fact that you are not aware of this is embarrassing. My entire philosophy behind this conflict is the fact that Palestine has been given so many opportunities to make their own state and live peacefully, but are so prideful and hateful that they simply refuse to. As doing so would admit defeat. They would rather condemn their children to perpetual war and despair rather than simply live in peace with their neighbors.
Ropetrick6@reddit
You seem to be deliberately glossing over the fact that ISISrael denied several peace deals, how odd. Or how about the fact that Palestinians were active participants in the peace process?
It's almost like you're not actually here in good faith...
waiv@reddit
That's literally how Israel was founded.
Jugaimo@reddit
No it fucking wasn’t. Mandatory Palestine was split along the lines where Muslims and Jews were already living. And then the entire Muslim world freaked out and launched a combined assault on Israel.
How can people lack this fundamental understanding of the conflict? The Jews were THRILLED to have a land of their own, even if it was tiny and mostly desert. Do you really think they wanted to fight EVERY ONE OF THEIR NEIGHBORS on the first day of their independence? You really think the Jews are some sort of bloodthirsty war cult?
No, the reality is that the Muslim world has repeatedly and consistently tried eradicating the Jews from the Middle Easy for decades, almost a century. And they have failed at every step. Now the internet is flooded with revisionist morons who rephrase the entire incident as the Nakba, and not a concerted attempt at complete genocide.
Literally no other war in history has been as generously merciful to the losers besides the 1948 one. Most wars of that scale result in the complete eradication of the losers, not gracefully allowing them to remain, Israel even proposing many peaceful solutions like a 2-state solution. But “Palestine” which is an insane concept as the land never existed, has refused at every opportunity. They want complete ownership of the land and willfully fall on Israel’s spear.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Israel attacked first though...
Just a friendly reminder, the Arab League only retaliated against Israel AFTER the Zionist forces had already massacred over 200 Palestinian villages full of innocent civilians.
Jugaimo@reddit
In 1948? No, Israel did not attack first at all. Please read anything before posting idiotic nonsense.
TemporalFugue2@reddit
They have extremely high fertility rates. Israel will expand as its population continues to grow.
runsongas@reddit
the orthodox don't fight, eventually the IDF will run out of secular jews and overextend
FnZombie@reddit
That’s exactly their playbook, they’re expanding their territory to “protect” themselves. They are so “defenceless” that they’re attacking Lebanon and ignoring the ceasefire with Iran. Not to mention the genocide against the Palestinian people.
Reddit_Sucks_1401@reddit
You forgot to factor in the Christian zionists, American evangelicals, who are very willing to help Israel.
Surv1ver@reddit
You mean dispensationalists?
Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit
Death cultists who want to use all but around 100,000 Jews as a blood sacrifice to resurrect their dead God so he returns to destroy the world.
KidOcelot@reddit
Im afraid of those “Jesus will Return” Cultists. They’re using religion for evil.
MongolPerson@reddit
Okay. But in their defense they have defeated the Arab armies several times over the past 80yrs, it's why they exist as a state. And their ability to co-opt resources from Europe/North America to serve their interests makes them highly effective, keeps the balance of power in their favour.
It is only today with the advent of modern warfare(drones/missiles/rockets) that Iran and Hezbollah have been able to firmly oppose them. And even now we may see them figure out a solution to these issues, in ways we could never expect.
mebeast227@reddit
By pouring billions of American taxpayer dollars into their economies as a form of ongoing truce because their defeat was just so overwhelming.
MongolPerson@reddit
Yeah, I said that.
historicusXIII@reddit
The idea is to let Americans do the fighting for them.
kwonza@reddit
Nazi Germany’s population was also dwarfed by allied countries, didn’t stop them from attacking everyone for their “living space” as a “god’s chosen people”. The parallels are rather uncanny. You know how children getting abused sometimes grow up to be abusers? Nazi did horrible things to the Jews and now Jews are doing same things to others.
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
I don't disagree but it's important to remember that it is a different group of people. It's not like Israel was founded by Holocaust victims. In fact the victims were commonly referred to as 'sabon', meaning soap and not always supported financially. They saw many of them as weak for 'allowing that to happen to them'
I highly recommend everyone read Finkelstein’s 'The Holocaust Industry'. It's a real eye opening breakdown of how Zionists leverage one of the worst atrocities in history to defend themselves and justify their own violence
Contundo@reddit
It’s not real. Practically only exists in anti Israel crowds fever dreams.
KaiBahamut@reddit
Then where cometh the Settlers, if Israel and Israeli's are satisfied with their current borders?
VladimiroPudding@reddit
Israel itself has proven that can subvert and distort what people can and want to do with adequate policy:
- Settlements some years ago: only Jewish radical doo-doos would live in a settlement.
- Settlement now, after becoming leading part of housing policy: many people are willing to buy houses in settlements, because it is a sound investment.
One just needs to reframe it and people will partake in it.
abzftw@reddit
There is definitely more than 15m
The 15m is census acknowledged
Big_Red_Machine_1917@reddit
There's s a bit in Ilan Pappé's book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, which highlights this part of the Zionist project. He pointed out that on the 7th of October 1947 (kinda ironic) that David Ben-Gurion said at a meeting that the partition plan was meaningless before declaring "There are no territorial boundaries for the future Jewish state!"
Arctic_Chilean@reddit
"Russia has no borders!" type shit
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Lebensbraum type shi
KidOcelot@reddit
Land grab pussy grab
TYPE SHI
mebeast227@reddit
Look up Mesopotamia. This is where "Greater Israel" really starts. They used Rome the same way they currently use America.
OrangutanKiwi19@reddit
Who's "they"?
BioSemantics@reddit
Zionists presumably.
OrangutanKiwi19@reddit
Pretty sure Zionists didn't "use Rome"
BioSemantics@reddit
Huh, I misread that. I thought he was making some reference to literal modern day Rome. You're right. The dude is a straight up weirdo bigot conspiracy theorist.
MCB1317@reddit
Man, some Protocols of the Elders of Zion conspiracy shit being spouted willy-nilly up in here.
ChillAhriman@reddit
They finally allow DW journalists to report on negative things about Israel again? 2-3 years ago they started censoring a lot of their content when it left Israel looking bad.
Maelger@reddit
Well, have you looked at Israel lately? It's either report bad things or pretend it doesn't exist.
tsardonicpseudonomi@reddit
Greater Israel seems like it should be a conspiracy theory but Israeli officials and citizens outright say its their goal. This is why Israel caters to US Evangelicals. US Evangelicals (US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee) believe Israel must have its borders match that as in the bible. Once this happens the third temple will be constructed (Sec. of Defense Hegseth has explicitly stated this is his intention) and Jesus will come back and the non-evangelicals will be killed by Jesus.
The MIC loves this partnership. Evangelicals love this partnership. Zionists love this partnership. These factions presently control the governments of the US and Israel.
Additional_Ad_3530@reddit
Thank you Europe and burgerland! Let's bring a foreign population to an inhabited land and let's carve a country for them!
Even if the historic mistake wasn't enough, now the so called west endorsers and enables all the zionist entity crimes, they are slaughtering the people of Lebanon right now, and where's the west ? Policing anti semitic words in social media.
However is nothing new, let's not forget that the west supported the south African apartheid regime for decades, they weasel out when it was safe to.
ArkonWarlock@reddit
It's a colonial project. People say that and then never internalize it but it's true. When you look at settler violence there is always some new goal post of territory where the new state will be currently "satisfied" until such a time as they decide they need more.
Burn a dozen villages and encourage a few enterprising thieves to move in to stake claims. If they get scalped decide it's a campaign of retribution and burn a dozen more. If the survivors band together to defend themselves it's an act of "savagery". Accept natives only if they capitulate as lesser or demarcate reservations as ghettos and or shooting galleries.
And above all else, sell the idea of new land both ripe for the enterprising and that it's necessary to be seized to be civilized.
Borscht_can@reddit
Least biased take, but carry on. The Greater Israel stuff is definitely something new, and something very very dangerous as it will indoctrinate the future generations into believing into that instead of regional peace.
beefprime@reddit
Its not new at all, its been discussed by Zionists since well before Israel even existed
2times34point5@reddit
I believe the ‘new’ part is that it’s being discussed openly. But it was always the hidden objective.
My auntie told me about it back in the early 90s in the most “matter of fact” way. She said the two blue stripes on the flag represent the Nile and the Euphrates.
Not saying she was some kind of authority, rest her soul, but it’s not a new concept.
historicusXIII@reddit
This. It went from being a conspiracy theory to public policy.
BernieMP@reddit
She told you what the religious authority told her, she took it as reality and told you in an open, honest, and in a very "matter of fact" way, because that's how it was taught to her
It's a non-aggresive way of indoctrination, that way any sort of contradiction can be percieved as an attack by the people who were just taught and never saw the real fighting
2times34point5@reddit
Is it indoctrination if it’s stating something that turned out to be a fact?
Powerful Zionists say it openly now.
BernieMP@reddit
They say it openly now because they endoctrinated the people your grandma's age, people who lived or were young when is-real was first established, they were the people who would be able to say "you know, our borders were originally set like this". But since they were quietly, and discretely placed the idea of the Nile to the Euphrates, she never found it weird or wrong to push the "buffer zone" further and further back with each "settlement"
Then the people your grandma's age taught that normalization indoctrination to people your parent's age, and then people your parent's age taught it to people your age. And now people in is-real of all ages don't question violent occupation, because since they were childre their god-given boundaries were occupied by another culture
It was a concerted effort with a planned outcome: "make our citizens ok with colonialism"
JConRed@reddit
Israeli indoctrination runs deep.
I thought the whole pledge of allegiance thing was weird... But Israel is on a whole other level.
schadenfreudender@reddit
I would have bet everything I own that i would never say, Hitler got a point, but Netanyahu and his ilk has changed my mind
HockeyHocki@reddit
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Yes this one actually qualifies.
Also, your last comment to me was deleted which makes this entire back and forth pretty fucking ironic
Stubbs94@reddit
Unfortunately it's not new. Likud has always had it in its charter. It was founded upon that idea.
mebeast227@reddit
Look up Mesopotamia. This is where "Greater Israel" really starts. They used Rome the same way they currently use America.
VladimiroPudding@reddit
It is very reasonable to say that regional peace, 2 State Solution yadda yadda went to shit after Israel decided to commit a genocide and now destroy Lebanon.
EH1987@reddit
Just a little bit of lebensraum.
xccehlsiorz@reddit
I mean, it is Deutsche Welle, of course
Annoying1978@reddit
Netanyahu is simply continuing the work of his father, who is continuing the work of Jabotinsky.
Here’s a documentary all about it
abzftw@reddit
I genuinely want to know the history of why they’ve been ‘kicked out of’ countries before
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