As a senior or higher dev/manager/lead, how important is coming in on time to you?
Posted by Iampoorghini@reddit | ExperiencedDevs | View on Reddit | 240 comments
I joined a senior-heavy team a couple of months ago as a mid-level, and most of the team usually comes in late, right before standup or even missing it. My manager usually comes in early, but he also leaves early.
They all seem to carry the mindset of “what I deliver is more valuable than coming in on time.”
It’s usually me, one other senior dev, and a different group’s team lead who always come in on time, while the rest come in 30–50 minutes late.
Does this matter to you? Does it leave a silent impression, even if people say out loud that they don’t care? The other team lead joked that my team always comes in late, so I guess it matters to him and his team. But in your experience as a senior dev or higher, does it leave a positive impression, a neutral one, or does it not matter as long as you deliver as a mid-level engineer?
hyrumwhite@reddit
What’s late? Is there a set time they’re supposed to be in?
IMO, if they’re not missing meetings and communicating availability and hitting 40hrs/wk, who cares what their hours are?
SideburnsOfDoom@reddit
Yes, but OP says
So the actual issue is that they're often missing a regular meeting.
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
Tbh a lot of standups are useless, and evidently this team doesn't value it
wise0wl@reddit
Then they need to speak up and make it valuable. Planning and regular checkins are essential, but forced meetings without value are not.
We do a morning check in. It’s not scrum. We have a kanban board we use to keep track of projects, defects, etc and it works well enough. Not super well, and I’m trying to automate it more. We are all mostly remote though, so meetings without people talking with cameras on helps.
foonek@reddit
It's not about the value. Missing a meeting is very unprofessional.
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
Top-down forcing a meeting on a team that the team does not want or need, is unprofessional. Micromanaging process of engineering teams is a tell of bad management skills. Especially if the micromanager is a non-technical certified agile coach that never learned "people, not processes"
Fair_Local_588@reddit
It doesn’t matter. Attending team meetings is table stakes. If you get a meeting from some rando then feel free to decline, but you should never miss standup. And this is coming from someone who loathes standups.
foonek@reddit
Doesn't matter how much you disagree with it mate. Disobeying your boss by not being in a planned meeting is extremely unprofessional. Perhaps, if you disagree with it so much, you could try to change the process. Ignoring it because you don't like it is childish behaviour.
takingphotosmakingdo@reddit
Last person that tried to change it got mob bullied out of the position.
Such a nice bunch they were.
foonek@reddit
That happens, but then you change jobs. You don't lower yourself to their level
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
Are you anti striking? Anti union? Spell it out for the people reading who might not have enough experience to recognize the energy you're putting out there. Collective bargaining in a non-unionized environment sometimes takes the form of passive resistance, and managers who don't recognize the power imbalance, reflect, and work to improve things are some combination of inept and oblivious, because this sort of thing doesn't typically happen in the first thing in environments with healthy leadership practices.
takingphotosmakingdo@reddit
In my case I got hired into a role one of the juniors was gunning for.
Their friends (all junior) purposely held back on including me in meeting notes, documentation, and bringing me up to speed on the facility so when they went track side (motorsport) I could support the facility better.
Leadership didn't see it that way and cut me loose.
Keep in mind I went to the dude that didn't get the job and asked what I can do to keep them on the team as they had already said they were leaving to another team.
They answered: nothing.
I informed management I clearly stepped into a hostile situation and am being set up to fail, they said I wasn't a team player.
O..k...
I mean I did just move my entire family internationally, solo, and somehow secure transportation to get to them for the role, oh and make progress on a system essentially untouched for thirty years, but whatever right?
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
"Team player" feedback usually says more about the giver than the receiver. Sorry you went through that.
takingphotosmakingdo@reddit
It is what it is, I thought people would be welcoming of a professional with a military background especially in a region I was assigned to in the past and even matched into one of the towns in full uniform during a parade event with my unit.
Nope.
I'm see a LOT of anti US right when Mrs wanted to have us here.
Out of one fire into one someone just threw a log on I guess.
foonek@reddit
I'm not anti union, no. I'm actually from a country where the vast majority is part of a union, and worker rights are respected. (Read: not USA)
Not sure why you're bringing you absolutely irrelevant topics. It's not about others, it's about how you present yourself.
Either way, I'm not going to teach you how to be a decent, professional person. You do you. I'm sure it will work out great for you.
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
I can almost guarantee I've had greater professional success than you, if you keep wanting to make this a politely worded dick measuring contest.
foonek@reddit
I'm happy for you
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
Cool. Instead try having empathy and respect for people with the misfortune of being workers in the US, where respect for labor is laughable, and passive resistance is a frequently required tactic even among highly skilled, high performing professionals.
foonek@reddit
I don't see how disobeying your boss helps anything other than getting yourself prematurely removed from your workplace. Do feel free to enlighten me
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
You missed the part where half the team is treating the meeting as optional, stop categorizing collective action in response to structural problems as individual character flaws.
foonek@reddit
Is it so hard to get together and make a case to your superior, instead of pretending passive aggressiveness will have any impact at all?
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
It's apparently not as hard as you understanding workplace dynamics in the US, structural problems, and collective resistance. You sound like you want to be a Texas Republican.
foonek@reddit
I imagine you're not older than 25. Let's leave it at that. I'm sure you'll write another essay with things you think are making a point, even though they make no sense at all.
Have a great evening
WetSound@reddit
You seem to ignore, when people tell you what matters.
foonek@reddit
Not sure what you meant to say. If you're not just trolling, feel free to rephrase and we can have a discussion about it
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
Real enlightened you are lol. In the real world sometimes adults can form unspoken agreements with their peers to undermine shitty policies. Grow up, boot licker.
foonek@reddit
I rest my case. You're childish and need to grow up.
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
You're the same brown nosing twat covering their mediocrity with compliance you were in grade school, it has nothing to do with maturity.
severoon@reddit
Is the primary purpose of a standup to give everyone a chance to demonstrate their professionalism?
No. The meeting is part of a process that exists to serve a purpose. It should be arranged so that it does that first. It's only when the process cannot be adapted to everyone's needs due to their unprofessionalism that this becomes an issue.
A lot of the time this kind of stuff primarily exists to show who has the power in an org. If that's the purpose of the meeting, okay I guess, but make sure you want what you're asking for, because that's what you're going to get out of it. If you actually need that meeting to have some other purpose, you're giving that up.
Pleasant-Cellist-927@reddit
You can't just decide "nah this team meeting is useless, I'll miss it with no message to the team".
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
You can if it is a de facto optional meeting, which this one evidently is
ivancea@reddit
I don't see op saying it's optional, and people missing it doesn't make it optional.
If a meeting isn't helpful, they did raise their concern and discuss it, not just miss it
positivelymonkey@reddit
Look up the word defacto
ivancea@reddit
You saying it's de facto optional doesn't make it de facto optional. You're free to have opinions, but here what matters is op's case
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
No but half the team routinely treating it as de facto does make it de facto, tautologically
ivancea@reddit
The point is that in a professional setting, team related topics are discussed, not guessed
throwaway1847384728@reddit
You’re getting downvoted but people still aren’t cynical enough to acknowledge the reality of office politics.
Who makes the hiring and firing decisions? If that person likes the engineer and/or thinks they are productive, then that dev can do whatever the want.
Including decline internal meeting or work whatever hours they please.
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
When process weenies demand a meeting exist, despite the team not getting value from it, to the extent half the team regularly skips it, it's a pretty clear sign it's a bullshit meeting and it's just not politically expedient to remove it from the calendar.
Pleasant-Cellist-927@reddit
No, it's not 'evidently useless' if half the other team is still showing up for it. Not to mention you have no info on what issues arise as a result of these people missing standups. Sure, you can catch-up async through messages after but IME people who can't even be bothered to update when they're missing a 15 minute standup don't tend to be the most diligent about informing others about a blocker or dependency on their task.
arxorr@reddit
Still, that’s a valuable conversation being avoided.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
The official office hours are 8-5pm. But they come in at around 8:40-9am.
dennyth@reddit
Are you getting paid hourly? Why are the hours 8-5?
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
No, salary. That’s just the official office hours for everyone in the office, not just the devs
Mawf95@reddit
Are they getting their work done? If they are and they aren’t missing meetings, who cares.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
I don’t care. I’m asking if you’d care if you’re a higher up and a new hire mid level devs are also coming in later
lilpig_boy@reddit
i work 11-to like 4 in office and am the highest performer in my org. i think it is a really stupid metric to chase.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
I’m not doubting any of your skills. I’m asking if it’d leave a silent negative impression if a new middle mid level comes in ‘late’
lilpig_boy@reddit
i wouldn't care. but obviously there are those that do. so as a new hire i'd start on time and as your performance becomes more obvious, i let my attendance slide in tandem.
Wonderful-Habit-139@reddit
Lmao. Exactly what happened with me as well. But it does depend on which managers you have, some are stricter than others.
PoopsCodeAllTheTime@reddit
I wouldn’t, but most middle managers would because they don’t know how to evaluate results rather than attendance
Mawf95@reddit
Not really, my company specifically cherishes work life balance, all we care about is if you are hitting the expected level of your job criteria. If you are, then feel free to work on your own clock.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
Good to know!
dennyth@reddit
In that I’d see 8-5 as the hours the office is open. You can work 8-4 or 9-5. 🤣
GoodishCoder@reddit
Having core hours is pretty standard in most large companies with exceptions being granted by team leaders.
UntestedMethod@reddit
Sure but it's also common to have flex hours with core hours... Making the core hours a full 9 hours is harsh.
GoodishCoder@reddit
That's where you work it out with your manager. I don't think I have ever worked anywhere that took the stance of come in whenever you want without working it out with your manager.
UntestedMethod@reddit
Idk, some companies have core office hours that are a 5 hour block in the middle of the day, like 10-3 kinda thing. Whether you start 3 hours earlier or finish 3 hours later doesn't matter. For fully remote jobs it's usually even more flexible than that in my experience - basically show up for any scheduled meetings and other than that keep an eye on the messages in case anything urgent comes up or someone has a question or whatever. Mind you, there has been time tracking involved in the more flexible schedule companies I've worked for but I prefer that over having a totally inflexible schedule.
GoodishCoder@reddit
It's probably industry specific and product specific but in my experience, the vast majority of companies want to know when you will be there. That could be 8-4:30/5, 7-3:30/4, etc. but they want to know when to expect you so they can properly schedule meetings. The only company I worked for that was completely flexible for engineers, it was kind of a nightmare to get everyone on a call and always required people to shift around their day.
Most teams I worked for took the approach of we want to know when you're normally going to be here and as things come up, just communicate it and do what you need to do.
UntestedMethod@reddit
Yeah different companies have different needs for sure. Working across timezones there's sometimes only narrow windows anyway, so everyone kinda has to adapt in those cases.
Leopatto@reddit
It's common in UK to work 8 hrs + 1 hr break.
dyogenys@reddit
That sucks. Its not the norm I hope. In Norway we work 08:00-15:30 including a paid lunch break. Standard work week is 37.5h
PoopsCodeAllTheTime@reddit
Oh, the privilege of common sense!
Material_Policy6327@reddit
Not all of EU is like that
PoopsCodeAllTheTime@reddit
It’s the norm in my latam country
VRT303@reddit
In what company don't you even have flex hours? Like start 8-10 to 5-7? I wouldn't care, but it might help your image if your manager cares, until you gain rep points to not give a damn.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
Maybe I just work at shitty companies. My first dev job as a junior definitely made me come in on time.
fletku_mato@reddit
I can't blame your co-workers, that sounds horrible. I wake up usually around 10 and slowly drag myself to my desk before the 11am daily.
asarathy@reddit
These hours suck, but if the team/managers don't enforce it it doesn't matter. But if standups are supposed to be attended in person, people should be there in time for it or the standup should be moved to a time that people are there for it normally (obviously people miss standups for reasons but shouldn't be a normal habit)
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
I’m getting a mixed signal because my manager comes in super early, but his senior team comes in ‘late’ and at least one of them misses the standup everyday. And I’m a mid level and a new hire. I stay late (not just for show) to finish all the grunt work before leaving.
Inst_of_banned_imgs@reddit
Damn that’s early. When I used to go into the office I was in at 6am because I’m an early bird but I was also out by 2pm. All of the other engineers strolled in at 11am.
No one cared, we all produced what was expected of us and we all hit all of the meetings.
ShadowCatDLL@reddit
Yeah, I did the same thing, except 7am-3pm. Most of the people showed up around 8 or 9, some at 10. No one really cared as long as work was getting done.
Company transitioned to full time WFH, so everyone basically has very staggered hours, but we need to have some overlap of our official work hours. Allows for some really good flexibly.
Virgil_hawkinsS@reddit
Same. We had breakfast provided and most of my coworkers still came in late lol. I did too until I had little ones and had to incorporate daycare dropoffs into my schedule
lurkatwork@reddit
Yeah I’m more productive in the evenings and can’t sleep for shit so my preferred hours are like 10-6 or 11-7
hyrumwhite@reddit
Also note that it’s a double edged sword. If you hold me to coming in on time, I will hold you to letting me leave on time.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
I don’t..I’m not sure why everyone’s thinking that I care. I’m a new dev and was trying to get a senior+ perspective on new devs coming in later
Dymatizeee@reddit
8-5 is early as fuck
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
It is
AnAcceptableUserName@reddit
8-5 guidance prob assumes 1hr lunch break. Not normal for 45hrs/wk to be core business hrs. Even at places I've been where mgmt cared about 8hr/day clock punching (boo), they did not GAF whether you were 8-4, 9-5, or 8-5 w/ 1hr lunch.
So, first, I wouldn't consider getting in 8:40-9 and working until 5 late, and it may be that in practice your org doesn't really think so either. Prob on the side you should ask whoever your boss is what your boss's expectations of you re: attendance are next time you have 1:1 time
2nd, unless they're my reports I'm gonna mind my own. For all I know they're also working outside when I see them. Not my monkeys in any case.
Vega62a@reddit
Id argue that even 40 hours per week isn't a strict requirement.
Try to work or be active about 8 hours a day. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't.
azuredrg@reddit
It depends, I used to have a coworker that would roll in at 11am and expect everyone to be able to meet until 1pm. The rest of us got in at 6-9am and would meet from 9-11am if we had meetings. Bro didn't want to wait until after lunch to force us to hear his bs.
goobernawt@reddit
That seems like more of a problem with poor judgment on the later worker's part. You should have SOME context around what hours your colleagues work and have a bit of consideration around your scheduling. You can't account for everything, but scheduling during common lunch times should be done cautiously.
azuredrg@reddit
Yeah I agree. On my next team, everyone avoided 11:30-1:30 meetings unless it was an emergency.
wise0wl@reddit
Our stand-up is at 9am. I start at 6:30 or 7:00 from home because that’s when I work best. Just be there for standup and get your shit done and be responsive when something is asked.
I set it at 9 to accommodate people with kids l. I have kids too. Most people stop by 4 but a few go much later. I actively encourage high performers to take a lot of personal and family time so they don’t burn out. Burnt out people produce badly.
That’s all.
mikkolukas@reddit
I hate unnecessary stress. For the last decade, the deal has been:
I drop of my kid at school, and then I drive to work.
If we are late to school or traffic is heavy, then I will arrive later than usual.
Turns out to not be a problem at all.
morosis1982@reddit
We have defined meetings that are not negotiable.
We set standup for a little after 9 as it provides some flexibility, and we have a few other meetings that are the must haves, but outside that as long as you're executing I don't really care.
Missing those important Collab meetings though is basically saying I don't value your time, because then you'll need to sync again later anyway and waste my time again.
DrNoobz5000@reddit
No one fucking cares. Be there for calls and get the fucking work done
creepy009@reddit
"Being late" does not exist as a concept when you have team members in different timezones. As long as they attend the meetings and deliver the work - that is all that really matters.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
We’re talking about in office, so everyone’s in same time zones
tonjohn@reddit
Many of us here work in big tech where you are regularly collaborating with people in other time zones.
For example when I was at Msft (Puget Sound) I would get up early to meet with people in Virginia and then stay up late to meet with people in China. We also had teams in Australia and India we regularly worked with.
nonasiandoctor@reddit
So did you like flex your time or just work 12 hour days?
Inner_Butterfly1991@reddit
What is "on time"? I remember my first day of work I reported at 9am to do the orientation and all the HR stuff and met my manager in the afternoon and asked "so meet here at 9am tomorrow morning?". She said "You can if you want, I'll be in at 10". As I've been more senior I've literally never had a "start time". As long as you're in by meetings you're fine even if it's 100% in office. If someone's missing standups then yeah that's a bad look, but coming in early or late doesn't leave an impression at all, it's going to be your actual work. Obviously there will be exceptions, but I've actually known people with reputations of "they're always here like 10 hours/day but they get nothing done", and that's not a good reputation to have either.
Horror-Primary7739@reddit
Do they deliver their required work on time? That is the only question.
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
I think a senior-heavy team should have the group-level autonomy to define their internal communication patterns and workflows, within approved channels of course. While you're new, you should always attend anyway, and that will give you a better sense of the culture and norms, what needs fixing and what's working just fine. It could be that the team has really strong async processes and documentation, or has a different meeting that is more essential, or has different means of socially synchronizing to cover the gaps left by async processes, or some combination of these and other reasons for standup to be de facto optional, even if they don't put that on paper e.g. for political reasons / the benefit of external observers.
gnrdmjfan247@reddit
When I was full-time onsite, our team had “core business hours” of 9-3. No one was clocking the time you arrived, no one was clocking the time you left. But as an act of professional courtesy to your coworkers, it was important to set the standard of at least 6 hours a day when you could count on the whole team to be there.
So to that end, if someone showed up within whatever your core business hours are, I would probably look upon them with a little disdain. I don’t really care if you show up early and leave late. I mostly care that I can collaborate with you when I need to.
CodyEngel@reddit
I've never had to explain to a higher up why someone wasn't on time to a meeting they didn't attend but have had to explain why they were late to deliver a feature or it did not deliver in expectations.
Being on time to meetings is a respectful thing but also if your manager is leaving the meeting early, it sounds like it's not a good use of time anyway.
Acceptable_Durian868@reddit
I expect you to be available for stand-up. I don't care if you're in the office or not, but I expect you to attend the meeting unless there's a very good reason, or it's been arranged prior.
aj0413@reddit
Adding to general sentiment, but not rehashing:
Devs work odd hours already.
Some weeks it’s crunch. Some weeks it’s being on-call. Some weeks it’s random shit blowing up and you’re the only one who knows how the CI/CD pipelines work
If you want devs to be willing to deal with the above, being a hard ass about 9-5 is not the way; managers and coworkers give leeway cause it’s been earned/expected based off the above
I worked all nightwrs Thursday - Sunday through Easter weekend, for instance, to meet deadlines. My boss lets me “make up the time” without burning PTO, so I don’t mind.
And I routinely find myself coming in at 9:50, but staying till 6-7 on in office days
termd@reddit
This really depends on your team, do not really look at what people say here.
That said. I don't care as long as you get your work done. If you slip constantly or you take way longer on simple things I will absolutely make jokes about you how work 4 hours a day.
I was on a team with a guy that I thought was doing great. He'd log in to standup, be half awake, then he'd be out for another 5 hours, then in the middle of the night he'd do his work. Everything got done and he showed up for meetings when he needed to, that was fine for me.
Yourenotthe1@reddit
Nobody really cares as long as you’re at our team meetings on time and deliver your work.
crap-with-feet@reddit
Same. If you’re on a salary, you’re paid to deliver on your commitments and your commitments are expected to keep you busy. It’s not about clocking in and out at specific times.
roynoise@reddit
at well managed organizations that respect their people, anyway.
roynoise@reddit
the real problem here is that your org is 100% onsite. perhaps an initiative to change that is in order. there is almost no legitimate reason to commute farther than across one's home to open a laptop and connect to the internet.
throwaway_0x90@reddit
Doesn't matter at all.
At least on my team, my manager simply warns us that corp is watching attendance and exactly where & when our employee badges are being scanned. As long as my manager doesn't get a complaint from HR/CorpSecurity about badge date, there's no problem. Also, don't be late to meetings. Deliver your deliverables. All is good.
supercoach@reddit
One should always be on time for meetings. Everything else is negotiable.
powercrazy76@reddit
For me it depends a lot on you and your team.
I trust you, because you get your work done on time and meet our standards? Nobody else dependant on you? Then I'll be flexible. Life happens, if you have to come in late, leave early, I don't care as long as the team knows how to get hold of you just in case.
If I can't trust you because you are flaky, don't get your work done on time and/or poorly consistently and don't seem to care, then I'm not going to extend you that curtsey.
We are all grown ups with lives that exist both inside and outside of work, as a manager, recognizing that for folks who don't abuse it, makes for a well balanced life for us all.
jivedudebe@reddit
Flexible hours, with some core hours. I come in late, but I stay late. I have my productive hours just later.
severoon@reddit
Merely coming into the office at a specific time everyday is not important at all.
Step back and look at your post here, why are you even asking the question? If it was important, you'd be asking how to get your people to come in on time, not wondering whether it's important. If it's not clear to you how it matters, then it doesn't.
If people are missing the standup, move the standup. Better yet, if people can consistently miss it and it leads to no downstream consequences, cancel it.
The workplace should bend around the people, not the other way around. The people should bend around the result. If you cannot draw a straight line from someone's behavior to the product, then it's not a concern, and your first approach should always be to fix the workplace to accommodate the people in those cases, not the other way around.
gfivksiausuwjtjtnv@reddit
Just move standup to the end of the day?
hsrad@reddit
Some care about work only, some both. If work isn't impacted, why should you. If work is impacted, that will come out earlier than you think.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
Yeah that’s how I feel to so I wanted to gage the senior and above’s perspective before I start sleeping in lol
papa_artch@reddit
As others have said, as long as you're not missing meetings, communicating, and getting satisfactory work done it shouldn't matter.
Consider the premise of your question, "as a senior or higher dev/manager/lead"... it stands to reason they may have dependents in pre/elementary/middle/high school. My kids schools start at 8:00am, I can drop them off and get back to make standup at 8:40am. I communicate that to the team in the beginning and expectations are set. It would be a problem to start at 8:00am as I'm double-booked. If you don't have kids and just want to sleep in, that's not as easy to navigate as it will be seen as unprofessional to just say something to effect of "those other people have a good reason to have flexible start times but I don't really have a good reason but want to start late like them anyways".
You sound inexperienced.
bit_shuffle@reddit
Availability matters. I see young people getting canned mostly for not being around.
Core hours, 9-4. Be on site predictably during that window. Some people play games like 6AM-2PM. That won't work in your favor, even as a senior engineer, people will talk.
If you are delayed getting on site, check your email before you leave and respond as quickly as possible stating relevant information about the issue and that you're coming on site and your ETA.
The more predictable and reliable you are, the better.
writeahelloworld@reddit
We have core hours where everyone must be here. Then some of us comes in early -2 hours and leaves early, some comes late +2 hours and leaves late. This is how we cover fro 8am to 6pm.
davewritescode@reddit
I can tell you managers appreciate reliability and professionalism.
Elavina@reddit
My team are adults. I don't even care about them coming to the office aside from warning them that Corporate tracks that kind of thing and it may be a problem if they don't get close to their 3 days on average.
We do work when it needs to be done. Sometimes that's a weekend upgrade, sometimes it's staying on to fix an issue past work hours. I tell my team to make the time up - take a late morning, or a whole day if it's added up. Avoiding burnout and being flexible to people's lives is so much more important than a specific arrival time.
They repay the flexibility! I'll see someone jump on out of hours to quickly respond to something to save their international colleagues some pain.
If a new starter was coming in late and leaving early on a regular basis, that might be a problem. But we work across timezones and sometimes you need to take a 7am call one day or a 6pm call the next.
shifty_lifty_doodah@reddit
Who cares? What’s the point of the meeting? How is it helping the business?
cballowe@reddit
Never really dealt with the concept of "on time" because it mostly doesn't matter. With respect to the team, time is mostly about coordination and being "on time" means mostly that you're available and not blocking people due to lack of presence. If someone asks to meet at 9 and I agree, I'll be annoyed if I show up at 9 and they don't, but I probably won't notice whether they're around if there wasn't something to draw my attention to it. The start of the day is often catching up on things and re-building mental context for the work to be done.
Just don't leave me in a position where I'm blocked waiting for you to show up - especially if you told me you'd be there. And if I'm blocking you, make sure I'm aware.
roleplay_oedipus_rex@reddit
Wow, I forgot about dealing with this bs since I work remotely.
Simple_Rooster3@reddit
You still have to be in the meetings. They probabky would miss that too, which is not good.
keelanstuart@reddit
Yes, but you can go to the meetings in a robe with your coffee.
cjrun@reddit
A fluffly white spa robe? Or like a thick maroon with gold embroidery situation?
keelanstuart@reddit
That's the beauty of it - whatever kind of robe you want is fine.
Here's mine: https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/17911381?s=400&u=5441dca846869e0df47d997f9482e61a7d1934d6&v=4
Educational-Heat-920@reddit
Exactly. I was remote for years. We'd huddle often, and have really productive whiteboarding sessions on Miro when needed. All the tools to work effectively while remote exist.
But with a push back against WFH and the crazy job market, I've had to accept a hybrid role, which is a 1.5 hour commute. It's horrible.
It's not customer facing, so delivering the work is what matters. Devs should respect the stand up time and not be late, but the bigger issue is not allowing WFH.
Simple_Rooster3@reddit
Agree with both. I am remote since 2018, and never missed a meeting, unless i was sick or not in control. AND i have never been more productive. When i was onsite, i got disturbed at least 5 times per day, to go for a coffee.. let alone the random meetings.
CorrectPeanut5@reddit
I find remote is a double edged sword. Since I've gone that route I have a lot more early meetings. I have a bit more flexibility at the end of the day, but mornings can be pretty ridged.
dbro129@reddit
Same! Ah yes head up, long sniff, office bullshit. Who’s here early? Who stays late?
If they’re missing mandatory meetings, it’s an issue, remote or in-office. Other than that, there is no “late” for software devs. Our value is in what we deliver 😝
PeladoCollado@reddit
I don’t know what “on time” means, because I have never worked at an office with a set start time. But missing standup on a regular basis is not only unprofessional, but bad for the team.
Standup serves two purposes - information dissemination, to keep everyone informed of the status of things so if one person falls ill or quits, the rest of the team isn’t in the dark; and as a place to ask for help when needed. “Senior” devs who aren’t helping with the information dissemination and aren’t available to help when needed aren’t doing their jobs.
If they don’t want to attend standup, that’s fine - cancel the meeting and provide other avenues for information dissemination and reaching out for help. They also need to be aware of what the junior engineers are doing so they don’t just thrash for a week on a problem that could have been solved in five minutes had someone been aware of the problem. If they aren’t providing avenues for these and they’re not attending standup, you’re surrounded by bad engineers. Find another place to learn
Unlikely_Eye_2112@reddit
Often late if we have agreed upon a time looks bad. But I run my team with the philosophy that I only care about them being happy and us getting our work done. People work whenever, take off to the gym or a walk in the sun in the middle of the day, tend to the kids and generally just try to make life work. And we're all working our butts off and getting more done than any previous more traditional iteration of the team.
mikolv2@reddit
I don't care what time my team starts or ends work as long as I know, as long as they do their job and deliver what needs to be delivered. If you want to start an hour later and finish an hour later, knock yourself out
putmebackonmybike@reddit
For me, if a new hire isn't making an effort to be seen to be 'on time' for the first couple of months then they're probably burning probation bridges from the outset.
princess_Saigena@reddit
Here’s the thing, personally I wouldn’t make an assumption of what you should do or what impression that might leave on your seniors, because everyone is different. I would either 1. Speak to the seniors and ask them for some clarity on your working hours and when to clock in and out, rather clarify than leave bad impressions based on assumptions 2. If you don’t want to chat to them then regardless of what they do I would personally just show up on time because I wouldn’t want to do anything based on an assumption in case it could come back to bite me. . . I would say that in my experience, as a Senior myself, I was very responsible with my work and knew exactly which situations were ok to show up late for, now generally juniors or mid levels don’t particularly know that yet so you risk being late at a time that required you to actually show up on time, you may not always have the context to know when it’s ok to come in late or not. Also if I was up late the previous night working on something important then I might not care about coming in on time the next time. If I was pulling weekends then I may just leave early when I felt appropriate, but I did it confidently knowing that nobody could hold it against me and that my work was always done and that I was responsible with my time, I.e. I never did it if it was a major project. If you’re questioning whether or not you can do that, then maybe you shouldn’t be doing it.
Most seniors have earned the right to do that and most of the time we’re doing a lot and therefore get the confidence to sort of take our time back in a way if possible. I would pull a lot of extra hours that my juniors didn’t know about, and I would do a lot to cover for them and their work or to protect them and block things from getting to them, so if they didn’t show up on time I may be irritated.
I would also say, that if your team itself has a good relationship, then it could just be case of getting clarity that the stand ups are not set in stone and they’ll let you know when it’s an important one. But personally as a Senior, I would also respect other people’s time, now if the stand up can still run without those seniors, then don’t follow what they’re doing and not show up, rather be responsible and show up, but if they’re the ones running the stand up and just don’t show up then that’s just disrespectful of other people’s time and that’s not a good senior, I would always cancel a meeting ahead of time if I wasn’t going to show up.
Kolt56@reddit
I don’t care if you went to the far side of the moon this week. I do care if you stop communicating or have some sort of blocker.
Wesd1n@reddit
Should be part of their deal then. Show up late, you leave later.
Then no issues.
kobumaister@reddit
We don't have an entry time, the only condition is being there for the daily and get the work done.
fschwiet@reddit
What's the point of coming in 30-50 minutes before standup? It's fragmented time that won't allow deep work.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
Some of the leaderships in the office expect you to come in early, but they’re not here everyday. And not my team, but the other engineering team are earlier than my team and although they don’t care, I was wondering if they silently do care
fschwiet@reddit
What time is the other team's standup and when do they come in?
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
Not sure the exact time but it’s later than my teams. Their team lead and the most devs come in at around 8, one comes in closer to 9
fschwiet@reddit
So it sounds like there may be time for them to do so ething useful before their standup, that might explain why they come in when they do.
You might try having your stand up at the same time as theirs.
JuliusCeaserBoneHead@reddit
What are the teams expectations on standups and giving out their status? Do you still know where everyone is and whether they are blocked, waiting on someone, etc? You need to set that expectation rather than coming in on time or whatever. If the expectation is that everyone is at standup then communicate that.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
Technically coming in on time makes zero difference from my point of view as long as everyone does their work. But I’m questioning, especially for a somewhat new hire (2-3months in) at lower level than them, if coming in early leaves a positive impression or don’t care, and if coming in late would leave a negative impression
Wide-Pop6050@reddit
Oh you’re asking for yourself. I would clear it with your manager to be safe and to show you’ve thought about it. But as long as you’re there before standup it’s okay. Morning meeting, whether it’s a tech standup or something else, is a moment to meet at the beginning of the day. It signals that the work day is in full swing. So you have to be there for that
nuevedientes@reddit
Ask your manager. If they care, it matters, if they don't care, it doesn't matter. But you are only 2-3 months in. I would guess if your manager puts stand up on the calendar they probably want you there.
Wide-Pop6050@reddit
What is on time vs late? Like who determines that?
My contribution is absolutely about what I deliver not about hours. I would not miss a meeting and if my team was staying late etc I would stay late too but I’m not watching a clock
bonbon367@reddit
It’s unprofessional and rude to show up late or miss a meeting scheduled far enough in advance.
In this industry I’d also consider it rude to have a meeting before 10am or after 4pm unless you’ve directly clarified with the person that it’s ok.
So, when is your daily standup?
Lost_Pilot007@reddit
Imo it matters when it matters. I always see higher performers being the ones who show up late in general. Late to the office and to meetings. They even skip meetings. But when something breaks, they’re the people that will answer at 10pm, 2am, and 6am and work until it’s resolved. Those that are anal about time are usually just mediocre or even low performers from what I’ve seen
joao-louis@reddit
I think the only thing that matters is if this matters to the right person. If it will influence the decisions they make about you, it is important. If not then don’t
In general I’d say try to be on time always because it could be a card to play against you at some point during some performance review (personal experience)
Also it could be the case that many seniors (at least in the uk) are contractors and they don’t really have specific times to get in/out, but rather number of hours worked or other parameters, and as contractors they might not have any contractual obligation to join standups or do any regular “employee” stuff (join social events and stuff). In my previous job contractors were joining all the social events and meetings and stuff because most of them were friends and working from the office meant doing significantly less work than working from home
Regardless, if you’re below them in general I think you should just respect the rules (and read your contract to be 100% sure)
Slightly out of topic, I also recommend joining a union hoping you’ll never need their help, but if it ever happens they will defend and fight for your rights like hell (as everyone should) and you’ll be infinitely grateful for that
ClideLennon@reddit
I wouldn't consider anyone late until your first meeting. If they are missing standup, that's unacceptable. Anything before that is fine.
InternetSad6081@reddit
sounds like your team's got a flexible start time vibe going on
Nofanta@reddit
Not even remotely. This isn’t Burger King.
new2bay@reddit
I literally do not care, as long as things are getting done right and on time.
rjm101@reddit
Missing standups (or other meetings) is crossing the line to me.
wildmonkeymind@reddit
I don't care much about my team keeping specific hours, but missing meetings isn't ok unless there's a good reason, and ideally we've been told that they can't make it. If you make your meetings, answer questions on chat without excessive delays and get your work done then specifics about availability aren't very important.
boring_pants@reddit
What a weird question.
As an employee you are expected to honor your commitments. If you have agreed to a job which has mandatory office hours 8-5 then coming in at 8:40 looks pretty poor.
Like, personally I don't care when people come in as long as they get their job done, and are reachable during the hours when we have agreed they are supposed to be reachable.
But "do I have to follow my employers' rules" is a weird question. Yes, you do. That's not about what "impression" it leaves, it's simply about whether you're doing what your employer is paying you to be doing.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
Yeah, basically everyone except for the dev team (specifically my team) are here by 8am to honor that commitment.
I’m still new so I don’t want to abuse the flexibility yet until I can make bigger impact for the team
rotzak@reddit
>right before standup or even missing it.
Right before standup is OK. Missing standup is _not_ OK. Standup is, for better or for worse, at every company and in every context I've worked in, the start of the day. No matter what you do, the day starts at standup.
dEEkAy2k9@reddit
I don't care about people coming in late or early. If there's an appointment, you are there, ON POINT. Being late on appointments is disrespectful to everyone that actually made it possible, made it on time and scheduled it.
Yourothercat@reddit
Does their time of arrival affect you in any way? Are they getting their work done?
Find some more important stuff to worry about.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
I’m not sure if you have a reading comprehension skill issue but I’m looking to get a perspective from higher levels so I can sleep in too without being judged as a new hire
thodgson@reddit
If you are new to your position in the company, you should tread lightly and observe how others at your level behave and react in this situation. If I were in your shoes, I'd show up on time, every time, until I knew for certain what the expectation level was.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
I’m the only none senior in the engineering team so I try to leave any negative impression, even with a different team since their lead comes in early everyday.
StriderKeni@reddit
I'm always on time, no matter what in life. And on time means 10/15 minutes early than expected.
Cykon@reddit
Come in on time? It doesn't matter as long as you're not missing morning meetings and you're there during reasonable business hours.
New_Try996@reddit
i had a similar situation, delivery mattered more than timing
Wassa76@reddit
They shouldn’t be missing standup, it’s a core meeting if it’s not async. Thats on the EM to resolve.
Are they doing their hours in a different shift pattern to you? Some start/finish early, some late, some with childcare catchup on evenings.
Otherwise, it’s on the EM to resolve again. Maybe they don’t want to rock the boat if they already have a high performing team and just prefer that their deadlines and quality goals are met.
davwad2@reddit
It's relative to output. If you're knocking it out of the park, I'm not that concerned until my boss brings it up as an issue.
If you have a lifetime pass for the struggle bus, then we already have problems and timelyness is just another in a long list of issues.
Attila_22@reddit
If they are delivering then it’s fine within reason. Not hours late but a few minutes here or there who cares.
Now if you’re struggling or not meeting timelines then, suggest you’re in early rather than late.
cjrun@reddit
Currently leading a team of 12 engineers split across two system components. Here are my two cents. They should all be attending standup. What time does your day start in relation to standup time? I am not a morning person, so if my 9am standups do not happen, I will have slow mornings. I enforce a 9am on my team because it starts the day with reviewing what we will be working on for the day. It’s early enough that we can catch surprise blockers before lunch lol
Illustrious_Pea_3470@reddit
Can’t miss meetings, can’t be a jerk about scheduling meetings at “reasonable” times. Otherwise why care? If someone is going to be responsive about an outage on a weekend or late at night, that’s 100x as important as being in 10-6 or whatever
zugzwangister@reddit
Ask your manager.
Missing stand-up seems odd. I wouldn't suggest doing that while you're proving yourself.
Generally, minimize surprises. If you're usually there at 8a, don't start randomly showing up at 9:37a unless you let people know. If I know when you'll generally be available, I won't waste time trying to find you before or after that. It's not about strict accountability as much as it is just being communicative.
ruffiana@reddit
Late? Dont care. As long as they meet deadlines, are somehow reachable during core hours, and are on time to meetings.
Skipping stand-ups isn't that. Arguably more important for senior people to be at stand-ups because I rely on their knowledge and experience to help other people on the team.
CodrSeven@reddit
I prefer organizing team interactions around flexible schedules.
It's just common sense from my perspective.
I do my best work late evenings, if I'm forced to get up early it ruins my entire day.
Most managers unfortunately are all about control, and controlling when people work is the most obvious way.
Electronic_Yam_6973@reddit
Don’t miss meetings and get your work done
mazerakham_@reddit
It's April 2026 and this is your concern? Then I wouldnt want to be on your team.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
I’m not sure if you even read my post. I’m a new hire lower level dev. The question was that would I be judged if I come in late from a senior+ perspective, as long as I deliver. I don’t give af what others do, but I also don’t want to leave a silent negative impression to higher ups.
thodgson@reddit
You should give af what others do. Read the room, dude.
Dymatizeee@reddit
Facts. Ppl still care about coming in on time and strict this?
NicePuddle@reddit
Not participating in team meetings signals that someone thinks they are more important than everyone else on that team.
That indicates that they are not a team player and don't care if the team is struggling because of them.
I had colleagues who got fired over that, after being warned that that would happen, if they didn't start participating.
thodgson@reddit
Agreed.
It's also saying, "I don't like this meeting" or "I don't like meetings in general". Unless you run the company, it's not up to you.
Additionally, a meeting often achieves something for someone else. It's not all about you. For example, there are times when your input is needed and your absence in a meeting prevents a project from moving forward. Being late compounds that and they will just have to have another meeting or have a one-on-one meeting with you.
DesperateAdvantage76@reddit
Be generally available during normal hours and make your meetings. The rest is irrelevant to me of your getting your work done.
raralala1@reddit
If you are new it is better to just follow rule, after probation you can then follow your fellow team.
thodgson@reddit
If you have a meeting scheduled for a specific time, then you are expected to attend on-time and for the length of the meeting, which may end early if all items on the agenda are discussed/completed.
Work hours are a different matter and up to your manager.
That said, if you have core work hours, say 9am-3pm, then the expectation is that you are available during those hours. An exception to that is if you send out an advance notice that you will be unavailable.
Anything outside of that is wrong. Mistakes are made. Do it once or twice and it can be forgiven. Make a habit of it and it is unprofessional and rude. No exceptions. Do it all of the time and you are 12-year-old pretending to be an adult.
Change my mind.
crustyeng@reddit
Our team is in a lot of time zones but we still kinda try to work 9-5ish most days. I usually do more like 7-3.
UntestedMethod@reddit
Nah idgaf what time people start at as long as they're putting in the 40 hours per week.
I actually dislike it when people are on some sort of rigid fixed schedule because prioritizing that for a developer role is very asinine imo. Fixed schedules make sense for some jobs, but software development is not one of them.
SDplinker@reddit
Ask your boss not Reddit
MelodicTelephone5388@reddit
Could care less. I care about outcomes not butts in seats
Simple_Rooster3@reddit
As long as they are in the meetings its ok. If they are not, its not ok.
McHoff@reddit
> “what I deliver is more valuable than coming in on time.”
How would you feel if they came in on time but delivered nothing valuable?
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
I also value impact over coming in on time. But I’m new, so I wanted to gage what the seniors think of mid levels coming in ‘late’
McHoff@reddit
I don't care at all when people come in, but this is something that you have to gauge with your team.
speedofdark8@reddit
As someone who was also recently hired (and what I've done in general): Determine who you care sees you coming in. From that group, figure out a rough estimate of what the earliest time someone from that group comes in. Aim to come in then or a few minutes before.
For me most on my team come in around 9. A handful around 8:30. I aim to be there then. That way I'm as late as I feel comfortable with and I'm seen as already in the office when most people arrive.
metaphorm@reddit
I'm a remote worker and my timezone is 2 hours behind the home office. I make sure to be on time to all my scheduled meetings, and I make sure to utilize the hours of timezone overlap available to do comms tasks, but generally I just work whenever I feel like it and don't keep a normal 9-5 schedule. it varies depending on the day.
Thefolsom@reddit
Ask your manager if there's a schedule or expected range to arrive in office, or if it's really up to individual discretion.
My take though is that it sort of suggests a mismanaged team. If standup attendance, either remotely, in person, or async on slack, is optional, then it's not actually useful and the're just carrying processes for the sake of a ritual.
Ultimately all this just means that you need to discuss this stuff with your manager. Too often I see issues on here, or even at my own company of people seemingly afraid to talk to managers. Good communication matters more than anything else.
1AMA-CAT-AMA@reddit
It won't leave a negative impression for me. As long as my teammates aren't missing actual meetings, getting all their work done, and being generally available for a reasonable amount of time per day for assistance and impromptu meetings, I literally could give no shits on the exact times they come into the office and when they leave. It leaves no silent negative impression to me as long as people have a reputation for accomplishing the three points above.
You're new, and if you're worried about not having a good enough reputation, keep in mind you got hired there. A bunch of people interviewed you and checked off on you so they probably have confidence that you can do a good job. I would not worry about reputation. If you are, then yes you should come in 'on time' more.
titogruul@reddit
Hours don't matter to me, but some related outcomes do matter: * Reliability. If I have something to run by you and you're never there, I will notice and will look for ways to solve this. I'd start by learning a bit more on when you are consistently available. * Impact/productivity. If it feels like your output is a bit inconsistent, I may look into that as well. I'd start by validating my expectations first.
I'm an IC, so most escalations would be through management. And it is possible that the path towards solving some of these issues would be through stricter expectations. But it's just means to an end.
GoodishCoder@reddit
As a lead I would take issue with engineers consistently showing up late to or missing standup, that's disrespectful of my time.
If they're not missing meetings but not showing up on time, that's between them and the team manager.
JustPlainRude@reddit
Ask your manager what their expectations are around your working hours. We can't answer that for you
CardboardJ@reddit
I have 5 timezones to deal with and only 4 hours of time where the whole team can make meetings. Be available for at least for those 4 hours every day and get your work done. After that it's just babysitting.
Suepahfly@reddit
I come at the agreed upon time. That 09:00 for me
MrDilbert@reddit
I'm not a morning person, the later I start, the better. I'll happily churn out features, bugfixes, documentation, w/e until 3-4 AM, if allowed.
But if we have a set time for standup, and core hours specified, I'll do my damned best to boot up my machine 30 minutes before, and to be on the meeting. Whether I'll be fully functional on that meeting... remains to be seen.
Javeess@reddit
I don’t care about them coming late into work. Maybe attend 80 - 90% of scrum ceremonies. As long as they deliver their work on time, then there is no need for micromanagement.
arihoenig@reddit
As a long time hard realtime engineer, I try to model what I want from my software through my lifestyle. Determinism is important, it is also indicative of rigor and discipline.
Temporal correctness is a key component of overall correctness.
frankster@reddit
1) if you have a meeting at a set time, and people don't attend, this is a problem that needs to be dealt with. It's not ok.
2) If your standup is quite early in the morning, you have the problem that any work people start before the standup gets interrupted by the standup. So it's kind of more optimal for them to only start work after the standup. This then means that people should arrive at work just before the standup. But given variance in traffic/transport, they'll sometimes be late.
I have a standup just before launch so it doesn't matter what time people start work, but also doesn't interrupt their work (more than lunch would have done anyway).
Last_Magazine2542@reddit
As long as my management doesn’t care, I don’t worry about it. I don’t miss meetings, but my first meeting is usually late morning.
I deliver on expectations and that is what matters. If I’m asked to sit in the office for 8 hours a day on the dot, I’d probably be less productive and more burnt out anyways.
Decent_Muffin_7062@reddit
Most places I've worked on-site have core hours. As long as people are available during that, I don't care.
Core hours are usually an hour after the 'official' start time until an hour before leaving time. So 10-4 (for a 9-5 job), or 9-3.
FX2000@reddit
I'm a big believer in judging people's worth by the value they deliver, but I also find it disrespectful to not attend or be late for meetings that I'm expected to attend.
EmberQuill@reddit
This is (probably) fine, though it depends on how late in the morning the standup is.
This is not fine and I'm surprised people are getting away with it.
ralf3001@reddit
not really. as long as you complete your work, attend the meetings on time and able to slack you during the working hours.
bdanmo@reddit
[not] one of us, [not] one of us, [not] one of us
You sound like a fucking PM or IT op manager handling daily tickets or something.
delphinius81@reddit
Meet your goals on time and come to and participate in the meetings you are invited to. Impact is generally more important than what time you start.
However, it's something for you and your manager to discuss. It's not so much that people are starting late. It's that their hours are generally shifted to something other than 9-5. There's really nothing wrong with that.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
Thanks! Yeah I just wanted to be mindful as a new hire. Obviously impact is the biggest priority
topcelt@reddit
If you come in right before standup how are you late? I start at 10:30, the same time as standup
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
There’s an office commitment to come in at 8, and I’m also new so I try to make that commitment. But most of my team who are seniors come in later than that so I wanted to know if a new hire like me also coming in later would leave a negative impression
topcelt@reddit
The only thing I care about as a senior dev is whether or not you are competent. Actually if you are starting at 8 and fucking up a bunch of shit that I have to fix when I start at 10:30 then I'm already more annoyed than if you just started later
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
Yeah that’d make sense
Arctan13@reddit
This is one of those things that was "earned" at my first job. As a junior my mentor basically said when someone else did that was "they've been here for years and are established so they can do this and no one bats an eye. For now you should aim to be in on time and try not to leave early (excluding dr appointments or other life happenings)
Before COVID it was also this way for an occasional WFH day.
I wouldn't care either way but if it's a brand new job I'd be more likely to be conscious of showing up "on time" for a little while just to make sure you dont start off with a bad impression.
Key-Organization3158@reddit
That's not what you are really asking. You want to know if you can come in late. Which is an entirely different question. As a mid level, you are best off coming in on time and leaving on time.
Iampoorghini@reddit (OP)
Gotcha!
overzealous_dentist@reddit
EM perspective at a remote-first mid-sized city: don't miss your meetings, don't miss your commitments, be available when others need you, and I don't care when/where you are.
Zealousideal_Meet482@reddit
At any job that I've been on, missing standup because they came in too late would have been unacceptable. As long as we made our meetings, were available some time during normal business hours, and got stuff done, no one really cared. The judgement only came if we had trouble reaching them or if they never were available when we needed them, or alternatively, the opposite, if they were a workaholic - I had a supervisor once that took his work laptop on his honeymoon and was working and answering questions during that time and we all judged him pretty harshly. But your team is missing meetings, so it's less about being "on time" or being there between specific hours and more about them not being available when they're needed that would make me judge them.
CombativeCherry@reddit
Attend meetings you need to be in. If you can't make it, say do.
Otherwise, I don't care when or how you do your work.
ffxtian@reddit
I'd rather work with folks who produce -- regardless of what time they come in. IME, managers/coworkers who obsess over timeliness are red-flags.
RandyHoward@reddit
I’ve been working remote for 8 years. I show up to scheduled meetings on time, but besides that I work when I want. Typically I work 7am until noon, then I put in a few more hours during the evening or late night.
charging_chinchilla@reddit
Missing meetings is unacceptable, but coming in late is fine as long as they're working the same number of hours as everyone else.
obscuresecurity@reddit
As important as it is to my manager. No more, no less.
No-Economics-8239@reddit
This is basically the question of quality versus presentation. Is it the quality of the work you do that matters? Or is it the presentation or perspection of how that work is received that matters?
Clearly, both are important. If the quality of your work is insufficient, it will be incomplete in some way. And this isn't much different as when the perspective is that your work is incomplete in some way.
In both cases, if you have sufficient soft skills, you could potentially convince someone that your work is sufficient and complete.
I personally don't care. So long as the work gets done and communication and relationships are maintained, the how is negotiable. But if the perspective of seeming late is impacting stakeholders and decision makers, then it does matter, just because they believe it does. Unless you can change that perspective, it's going to have negative effects.
eloel-@reddit
When you show up to work makes no difference to me
I want you to be on-time for meetings, and I want you to get your work done, you could be spending your time half-buried in sand rest of the time for all I care.
moreVCAs@reddit
forget you ever thought it might be a good a idea to bring this up or care about it, then never mention or consider it again.
BlazingThunder30@reddit
I think being flexible with hours is fine. Missing meetings and shrugging it off is disrespectful to the rest of the team. If the meetings are at such a time that those devs haven't arrived yet, have you considered discussing this with them and maybe moving the standup to half an hour later?
Working times differing between members of the team isn't weird. But these should be agreed upon at least somewhat explicitly.
________ballz_______@reddit
Super important! And a firm handshake is a must too! Typewriter skills can’t be overlooked. And they should be able to tie a 4-in-hand.
MafiaMan456@reddit
Engineering manager here. I come in early and leave early because I have meetings. My engineers come in at all sorts of different times but they also stay way later than me, and are often working either very early or very late from home to get something over the finish line.
So no, it doesn’t matter to me as long as progress is happening.
spaaackle@reddit
Engineering Manager here, manage 8 onshore FTEs in 2 locations plus have another 10 offshore.
My philosophy for my team is “we’re all adults” and “meet your commitments”. Now, we have core hours that we schedule meetings around - 9-4. Meaning it’s more than ok to expect a team to meet, work, organize during that window. Otherwise, if people have kids, are caretakers, have obligations, are trying to make an event, etc.. fine. Do your thing and keep me informed.
Regarding commitments, I don’t make commitments on behalf of my team, I make them with their insights and partnership. So.. You told me this would get done, get it done. Because, on the other side of flexibility is working late nights, taking the extra time to improve some code, taking the time to coach team members, being willing to support processes during month end.
Lastly, once upon a time I had a boss who clocked when people arrived and would make offhand remarks when it bothered him. As a result we were certain to arrive “on time” and we certainly reciprocated with leaving right at 5 pm.
turningsteel@reddit
I don't care as long as people are delivering their work and they are responsive during the day if someone needs them.
MyBossIsOnReddit@reddit
Not an issue at all. Unless you're their manager and they have a solid, set time they need to be in you should not care. It's none of your business and it's a toxic trait.
Izacus@reddit
Coming in to the office / online / etc.: Whatever, as long as it's within reason (e.g. not being able to contact you about P0 the whole day is not cool).
Being late to meetings: Keeping people waiting because you can't be punctual is something that will be a professional problem.
drew_eckhardt2@reddit
I don't care provided that people are at the meetings they need to attend.
With people's biorhythms, household obligations, commute, etc. favoring a later start time that leads to missed standups I'd move that meeting to just before or after lunch or just handle it asynchronously via slack so it doesn't interrupt people's workdays.
Too much of the time standups turn into unidirectional status meetings where people just give status with no discussion and therefore don't need to be in the same place at the same time.
Darkschlong@reddit
We’re just happy to have them with our company
Esseratecades@reddit
Be there for the meetings, be able to answer people's questions in a reasonable timeframe, and get your work done before we need it.
If your first meeting is at 11, and you show up at 11:02 and go home immediately after, I don't care as long as nobody is left with a question for you and all of your work is done on time.
thevnom@reddit
Being on time for meetings is required. But attitude seems lax in my team too. It leaves an impression that we are not serious even though i know the bulk amount of work is the serious part which leaves me on a tethering edge between we are professionnals and we are "here for the paycheck"
Famous-Composer5628@reddit
not for my team. just do your job.
but i know at some places it matters.
That said, the people who show up early and are serious and straight to work seem to have a bunch of respect around my team lol so ymmv