Insurance sic requirements?
Posted by KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 28 comments
What are chances of getting insured to fly sic on a citation encore? Part 91. At 1100 hours now, 15 multi.
Fatboy097@reddit
I got hired as a sic on a similar jet with 990 hours and 7 multi, so it’s possible. I also have a friend who got hired on a similar jet with 400 hours and 25 multi. Totally possible
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
Cleaned planes and hangar for them for 3 years in college and flight school and we’ve stayed close while building hours so definitely
RGN_Preacher@reddit
That’s exactly how I got my first job - your effort and hard work will pay off.
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
Thanks man!
SATSewerTube@reddit
Make sure the PIC doesn’t hold a single pilot exemption for the CE-550 with CE-560 differences or it’s a 135 with a PDP.
If they do hold the exemption, and it’s current, you won’t be able to log any of the time you fly SIC.
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
Would you be going to training or would you just be doing the requirements in 61.55? Perhaps an insurance company would require you to attend formal training so keep that in mind.
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
Be going to flight safety to get my sic type is what he told me
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
Thats probably an insurance requirement so ut sounds like you're going to be fine. Convince them to get yiu the PIC type so you can start logging PIC as well.
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
That would be nice but can’t afford to be too pushy haha
x4457@reddit
Keep in mind that the reason you're getting an SIC type and not a PIC type is because an SIC type is worthless and makes you stay around longer. They're not giving you a PIC type because they want to control you.
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
This is the company I’d wanna be with long term and I would definitely get upgraded in the future. They’re adding another plane to the fleet so adding an additional pilot
x4457@reddit
That doesn't change what they're doing.
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
Way better than what I’m doing now
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
It would be interesting to ask what the price difference is. I bet its only like 2 less sim sessions and checkride.
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
So you don’t do a checkride on sic type?
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
Not for pt 91. Thats the primary difference in the PIC type. It's basically the same classroom stuff and 2 less sim sessions.
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
Ah gotcha, I had heard it was a couple less manuvers and no oral. But I don’t have any experience with that yet. Thanks for the clear up
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
Its the easiest "training" event you can do. When rich guys buy a jet to fly themselves sometimes they aren't as good as they think they are. If they fail the program they usually give them an SIC type.
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
Ah well I guess not a bad place to start for a first type rating to get feet wet
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
It will be a great learning experience. I've seen plenty people going for their first training event and they are lower time. They get all worried abkut checkride day and it really stresses them out the entire course. You'll be able to sot back and take it in with no stress and absorb the info. Listen to the questions the old timers ask and learn how they are approaching the class. They can be a great example of what to do amd what not to do and I think that will be obvious to you. Then next year when you go back for your PIC type it will be old hat as they say.
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
How long does it usually take? 10-14 days?
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
Its different for every type course but that timeline sounds pretty accurate.
FuruTakka@reddit
That should be plenty for insurance purposes. ARGUS and WYVERN standards for SIC are around 1,000 TT and 500 PIC although I think they were wanting 200 multi. I couldn’t find that information anywhere though.
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
But how is one suppose to build multi turbine if you can’t get hired anywhere with 100 of it lol
FuruTakka@reddit
That’s the million dollar question isn’t it. I guess building multi time as an instructor or maybe survey to get the 200 multi. I got hired with 36 multi so I’m no expert 😂
KC-Chiefsfan23@reddit (OP)
Ya I have the 1000 Pic. I figured if anything bit me it would be the lack of multi / turbine time
BagOfMoneyNoChange@reddit
As an SIC you're probably fine. But every policy is different.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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