Which version do you think is superior?
Posted by Yarrrak31@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 511 comments
Posted by Yarrrak31@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 511 comments
Gaelenmyr@reddit
I love gyros. But it's a matter of taste. If you want to eat pork eat gyros. If you want to eat lamb etc eat döner kebab. It's annoying to see dolma being "dolmades" but in this case gyros is fine because it's fundamentally different.
Free-Celebration4562@reddit
While they look alike and they have the same name in effect, greek and turkish dolma/dolmades in my opinion shouldn't be considered the same dish. Correct me if I am wrong but I think you make them sweeter with raisins, mint and pine nuts, while we make them clearly savory without any of that and plenty of dill. The end flavor is totally different.
Gaelenmyr@reddit
We have many kinds of sarma and dolma. But we don't make them with sweets, the taste becomes savoury. And sometimes we fill them with minced meat, herbs and spices. So yes ours is also savoury.
Free-Celebration4562@reddit
Thanks for the clarification!
Ok_Lobster6785@reddit
the "-des" part is just the end suffix of the plural dolmas. not sure about other loan woards but we mostly use that suffix in turkish loan words, like kafedes for the plural of kafes in greek, kourabiedes for kourabies (kurabiyesi) etc
TheNinjaNarwhal@reddit
I fucking love both gyros and döner kebab, and for me they're so different that I don't ever have cravings for both of them. Kinda similar with Cypriot pita. When I want one of those 3, I want that one.
Pork gyros+pita with potatoes and sauce, dürüm with lamb and cheese in, or the huge cypriot pita that's bathed in the sheftalia+souvlaki juices with some lemon... My mouth is watering. I love different cuisines.
SirMosesKaldor@reddit
Don't mind me folks, just a Lebanese guy passing through. Have a great day!
Altruistic-Board5322@reddit
I can instantly eat everything on this image, without asking where its coming from.
slysmile@reddit
Same.
pinelogr@reddit
ypu should ask, it might be pork
Zestyclose-Power-132@reddit
Well Turkey is not a religion. As a Turkish who lives in Greece i do eat pork.
mortalkombrush@reddit
As a Turkish not living in Greece, I also eat pork
Caladan-Brood@reddit
As a not Turkish not living in Greece, I also eat pork
ohgoditsdoddy@reddit
As a pork not living in Turkey or Greece, I am delicious.
NoComplaint7954@reddit
as a deliciois, i am pork
prixiputsius@reddit
Sadly though, most gyros nowadays is the same. Gone are the days where each shop had its own.
Zestyclose-Power-132@reddit
Capitalism makes it cheaper to buy from mass producers, unfortunately. And people aren’t wealthy enough to appreciate a good house-made gyros when the price is high.
theyanardageffect@reddit
Pork but halal.
No_Welcome_6093@reddit
It’s the only question I ask. If it’s not pork, it’s a go for it. If it’s pork, I’ll pass.
senolgunes@reddit
It’s not haram if you don’t know.
Affectionate_Run1810@reddit
It's not haram
lotzik@reddit
And how do you plan to not know?
azyrr@reddit
By not asking
lotzik@reddit
So you go in a Greek Gyros shop and as long as you don't ask and order it's ok for you?
azyrr@reddit
You’re reading way too much into this.
lotzik@reddit
I have no idea what you mean by that.
rouvas@reddit
I do, but I won't explain to you.
senolgunes@reddit
Pretend-Technician64@reddit
As a half Turkish jew who lives in Reims, I also eat pork.
slysmile@reddit
Especially love pork.
ohgoditsdoddy@reddit
Nommy.
broccoli6206@reddit
if you don't want then I can take yours too
Big-Vegetable4550@reddit
Count me in too. Never had a Greek or Turkish dish that I didn’t love.
kakafob@reddit
We Europeans, may have eaten marican food via Mc, BK, but an American probably never had Balkan dishes.
Big-Vegetable4550@reddit
There’s a lot more to American food than McD and BK, but it’s not easy to much of it in Europe. Likewise, you can find Balkan food in the US, but it’s not easy (Greek food is probably the easiest to find). And an American married to a Balkan for forty year and who has lived in Europe for 15 years has certainly eaten Balkan food.
OooCaciiii@reddit
what's something american that we dont know? just curious honestly
Big-Vegetable4550@reddit
Southern US: Texas BBQ, TexMex, Cajun food (fried chicken - not at all KFC, crawfish, sausages, rice dishes), Creole (mix of French/Spanish/African), Soul food (lots of vegetables, beans and grits (polenta). Southwestern US: Mexican inspired - lots of corn, beans, chilies West Coast: Seafood (much like Dalmatian), Dungeness crab, oysters, fresh fruit and veggies, great wines North and Central: Meat and potatoes - kind of like Slavonia, but without the flavor - LOL. Oh yeah, and Chicago deep dish pizza - a meal in a slice, and Middle Eastern around Detroit East Coast: More Seafood (but more like Scandinavia), awesome (and cheap compared to Balkans) Maine lobster (steamed with butter - best food in the world IMHO)
I’m sure I’ve forgotten a lot of good stuff, but as you can see, there’s a lot more variety than you would think by what is called “American Food” in Europe.
andreacro@reddit
Same.
However, The green Rice Sarma - one container full load please.
ConstantinopleSpolia@reddit
Saganaki
Petrica55@reddit
Peace has come at once! Now it's finally time to shut down the internet
Metrobuss@reddit
Pork in gyro? Are you sure?
pinelogr@reddit
Are you being sarcastic or actually asking if I am sure gyros might be pork?
macellan@reddit
Why not?
Eldanosse@reddit
A lot of Western Turks don't care. One of my uncles' brother used to hunt wild boar and eat it.
As an atheist, I care even less; my German friend served me her village's specialty seasoned raw pork minced meat and I ate it up. Been eating çiğ köfte since I was 12 or something, raw pork aligned with my natural barbarian ways.
slysmile@reddit
Love it. Not the same, but still very good.
technotronica@reddit
Pork in gyros is great tasting. I like all sorts of pork besides minced pork.
Superb_Bench9902@reddit
So what? Not every Turk is a Muslim or a practicing Muslim just as how every Greek isn't a Christian or a practicing one
umesci@reddit
You can eat images? Jealous.
Ok_Department9265@reddit
mee too, but Doner Kebab has to somehow tip the balance
Final-Nebula-7049@reddit
Tarama is like gods nectar. Now I'm hungry.
Alector87@reddit
To each their own. Personally, tarama/taramosalata would be the one thing I would never eat from what shown. I find it disgusting, and I feel that something like tzatziki or ladolemono (olive-oil with lemon emulsion) is better for fish dishes.
Altruistic-Board5322@reddit
Blasphemer!
Alector87@reddit
I said what I said, and I stand by it!
Final-Nebula-7049@reddit
Tarama on pide is so good for appetizers
Altruistic-Board5322@reddit
Mate its fasting period here in Greece (not very Christian, i just like the tradition) and i can easily just eat daily tarama, halva and homemade bread.
duskygrouper@reddit
Tarama is nistisimo? I'd choose fava with lots of olive oil, capers and finely sliced scallions.
Final-Nebula-7049@reddit
Hahah sorry about that, bad day for this post for you guys.
İ was just asking someone. There's the throwing of cross in the Bosporus for young boys to compete to be men, is that this weekend?
anastis@reddit
They don’t compete to be men. The one who catches it first is blessed or something.
Final-Nebula-7049@reddit
Ah ok, top rum
Altruistic-Board5322@reddit
No that's on January 6th!
Final-Nebula-7049@reddit
Truly a men's activity
azyrr@reddit
Holy fuck thats cold weather
Talithea@reddit
Same. Greek? Turkish? Both.
QuarianGuy@reddit
Same
The_MIT41@reddit
If it's not made from pork count me in.
iwanthidan@reddit
Based foodiefam
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
Greek kokoretsi is better but we are the masters of kofte.
Alector87@reddit
What's the difference? I am really asking. Isn't it essentially the same recipe?
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
You guys add extra organs, while we only use sweetbread
devoker35@reddit
Turkish version is intestine and abdominal fat only. Sweetbread is a different dish called uykuluk.
Free-Celebration4562@reddit
Oh wow! This sounds like something I 'd definitely prefer over the Greek version. I can't stand liver.
Alector87@reddit
Oh, you don't include kidneys and stuff? I didn't know that. I've always felt that the bare minimum for a kokoretsi is kidneys and sweetbreads. And I don't really like kidneys, but it does work for kokoretsi.
Thanks, I had no idea. I really thought they were the same.
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
No problem Yeah, we stick to sweetbreads only. Turkish style is really good too, you should definitely give it a try
Alector87@reddit
I hope you get the chance. I have seen videos with grill-places using it in sandwiches, and it looks awesome. We usually don't do it like this here.
Flashy-Knee-799@reddit
What is the difference between greek and Turkish kokoretsi?
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
Hi, Greeks use different offal like kidneys, whereas Turks only add sweetbread. Also, our serving style is finely chopped and served as a sandwich.
Flashy-Knee-799@reddit
Tha ms, I had not idea! I love greek kokoretsi but we actually eat it only tomorrow ( Easter Sunday) and this year we didn't buy any because only me and my sister eat it in my family 😭
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
Ah, in Turkey, we eat kokoreç all the time; there’s no special day for it. If you ever get the chance to try Turkish kokoreç, you definitely should. Happy Easter in advance
Flashy-Knee-799@reddit
Thank you, next time I'll be in Turkey I will try it!
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
😊
EternalPrince54@reddit
İçli Köfte is a masterpiece 🤤🤤🤤🤤
Wild_Island_8589@reddit
You know ball, respect
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
You know whats good.
insitnctz@reddit
As a Greek that has been on turkey 3 times, I prefer Greek meatballs and Greek savoury foods, but turkey is superior when it comes to sweets. I dont think I had a pastry or dessert on turkey that I didn't like. Best baklava i ever had and I also fell in love with knafeh and kazandibi
TinyAsianMachine@reddit
No way, Turkish is far better. I prefer most things Turkish if they're done well. I prefer the palette. However, I've had some really bad Iskander kebab, adana kebab where I'm surprised they're still in business.
Overall Greek gyro > donner I think. But I think pork is just the optimal meat for this kind of thing.
Caged_Rage_@reddit
Most adana kebap you ate in turkey are not adana tbh. I’m from Adana and it’s done good mostly good in Adana, also some special kebap houses in istanbul (the ones that don’t serve it with bulgur).
TinyAsianMachine@reddit
Interesting, thank you.
Roufianos255@reddit
Kokoretsi is the grossest thing I've ever eaten. Had it once without knowing it was internal organs.
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
I love it, especially the one made from kid goat it's absolutely divine
ungovernable1984@reddit
Lamb 🐑
tokalper@reddit
KID GOAT
mob74@reddit
Kid goat 🤣
Lorumba@reddit
Kid goat is wild mate
Sekalino@reddit
Have you ever eaten sausage?
Because if yes i have news for you
geoken@reddit
It's the texture.
When you stretch the intestine enough, and the filling is all ground up - it's different.
But It's hard for me to eat sausage as well after I took part in killing and prepping the goat. I was fine with pretty much everything up until the point where my grandfather gave me the hose and showed me how to flush out all the shit in the intestine.
Every time I see sausage now, I can visualize that water flowing out the end filled with shit - and can remember how I was thinking "Yeah, maybe we got 80 or even 90% of the shit - but surely theres still some shit left in there". Enough years have passed though, that the great taste of the sausage allows me to bury those thoughts.
BamBumKiofte23@reddit
Two types of people out there: "maybe there's a shit particle in there somewhere" and "whoops I dropped my food on the floor, oh well, time for my body to become even stronger".
Roufianos255@reddit
Aha, yes I love sausage, and yea I know the irony.
Sekalino@reddit
You’re like my dad lol. He hates garlic but loves sucuk wich is a garlic sausage.
I guess anything goes if you form it into a sausage. (Insert gay joke)
Billarasgr@reddit
Leave Greece and give up your citizenship, please…. Kokoretsi is a reason to fight a war for Greece…
reiwhy@reddit
I'm not even Greek but y'all need to deport him. I don't care what you call it but no one can talk badly about kokoreç
mob74@reddit
Didn’t EU ban that 😁
Roufianos255@reddit
Ugh, it's so gross guys. I recently had a crepe in Paris and the fact it had some kind of meat which smelled like kokoretsi made me nauseous 🤢🤢🤢.
Big-Vegetable4550@reddit
Andouille? It’s made from intestines, so yeah, if you don’t like kokoretsi, you won’t like andouille. But if you like kokoretsi, you’ll love andouille.
reiwhy@reddit
I don't know the difference but I can't think of anything more delicious than kokoreç
ulasxd@reddit
Μη λες τετοια ρε μπροο χαχαχα
ohgoditsdoddy@reddit
If it is a matter of smell, you might like the Turkish version better. It is diced and mixed with condiments and vegetables (other than the İzmir version which is like the Greek one). Pretty delicious.
Big-Vegetable4550@reddit
Tell me you’ve never been poor and hungry without telling me you’ve never been poor and hungry. Kids these days…
SituationRoyal6535@reddit
My family used to grow our own pigs for slaughter, in addition to chickens and vegetable garden, and we used that shit to feed the dogs, that's the only thing it was good for.
Big-Vegetable4550@reddit
Sure - but what would your grandma say? My point stands - if you’re growing your own pigs for slaughter, doesn’t mean you’ve ever been hungry or poor. My point is, all parts of an animal are edible, and back in the day, we ate all parts (and weren’t grossed out by squeamish thoughts). Finish your plate was the order of the day. Anyway, I’m glad your dogs are well fed - organ meats tend to be more nutritious than meat anyway.
SituationRoyal6535@reddit
Bitch please, a US fat boy won't be telling me about poverty.
Big-Vegetable4550@reddit
Sure - pull the other leg. If you’re really Croatian, there’s no way your grandmother would throw that away (assuming you’re not from a line of pregnant 17 year olds - in which case we might need to go back to great-great grandmother). Anyone in your family line that lived through WW II would know what I’m talking about. And despite your ignorance, not all Americans lived happy, happy lives like your parents (grandparents) watched on Dallas. My daughter’s Baka and I are the ones that enjoy the best bits while the rest of the family is chowing down on the meat.
anythingcirclejerker@reddit
you do you I guess
SituationRoyal6535@reddit
Sure, and you do your brain and eyeball burger, just away from me.
anythingcirclejerker@reddit
Keep crying
Nardugan1881@reddit
is it elastic like rubber ? 👀
lastFractal@reddit
It's great as long as it's been cleaned right
Exotic_Cantaloupe_96@reddit
Glad you like it, I love kokoretsi! The crispy intestines are such a delicacy. My favourite thing from tukish cuisine is the isgara kofte with onion, garlic, parsley, breadcrumbs, cumin and paprika. We make it very similar in Greece but turkish is more heavily spiced.
Suitable_Syrup3872@reddit
I don’t like the liver so other than that it’s very good
Exotic_Cantaloupe_96@reddit
Yeah liver is love or hate. I love it, my wife hates it.
Expensive-Swan-9553@reddit
Oh wow this is popular in Sicily too but we pretend we invented it it’s not as good as Balkan version not enough spice and too much lemon
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
Have you tried the Albanian one, it's the OG and melts like butter.
ulasxd@reddit
Really ? I like kokoreç more man, kokoretsi tastes so heavy for me :’(
Famous_Pause7150@reddit
The biggest common ground between Türks and Greeks is food.that love of cuisine alone is the reason behind any good relations. So as a Türk I say who cares, both great, top of the line Mediterranean food.
Elgecko123@reddit
To me the Pork Gyro reigns supreme
missmccreate@reddit
one time i was talking w a greek guy n he kept saying he wanted pork gyro what does pork even taste like ??
Free-Celebration4562@reddit
It is divine, not gonna lie. It has a flavor of its own and cannot be described easily. Anyone that says like chicken, hasn't had good pork. It's nothing like chicken. It's meat flavor but complex, with its inherent umami notes, it has a sweetness that the other meats lack and a fattiness that makes its texture a bit unique among meats. Its fat also creates the perfect crust when it's roasted over coal, there is nothing else like that in other meats. In comparison to other classic meats, it's less irony than beef, much richer than chicken, less gamey than lamb/goat.
Iapetus404@reddit
Depend the dish and the way cooking...
like for pork gyros is more juicy and sweet tasty cause of the pork fat.
If you eat steak, better is the beef rather the pork one.
InL4bv@reddit
Like dirty, fat beef. Pork is cheap & fatty meat. Youre not missing out.
Gonji89@reddit
It's like the delicious browned part of chicken skin, but all over.
Elgecko123@reddit
Heavenly
mikewazoski59@reddit
As a Greek I must admit that Turks use spices very well I think they are better than us in many aspects.
PurpleDrax@reddit
I've mostly found that Turkish dishes are usually tastier and well spiced, but are heavy, while Greek dishes are mostly light, aren't as offensive and can be eaten more often.
It all comes to taste at the end of the day, both cuisines are top 5
Free-Celebration4562@reddit
I am biased, for sure, but I agree. Greek versions can be a good gateway to the Turkish versions which may be more of an acquired taste for those who are not used to spices.
mob74@reddit
As a Turk, i must admit that the Greeks are better at seafood and appettizers (meze) served with seafood. We are also good at this, but Greeks have the edge.
Piputi@reddit
Cyprus: I am the best
thefish12124@reddit
Of course we are. Halloumi power united!
brucebay@reddit
Best octopus I ate was in Cyprus until I ate t one in Portugal, although Cypriot one could still have an edge.(İt has been many years so it is hard to compare).
MaestroAce7@reddit
I don't know if they have the same variety when it comes to meze, i really like Greek cousine but when i was in Chios Island for a week, i couldn't find much options for meze other then classic Tzaziki even in the most popular restaurants of the Island unfortunately.
It was a bit of a disappointment for me as i had gone there with higher expectations
mob74@reddit
For variety, we win overall
Kapanol197@reddit
Σκάσε ρε Εφιάλτη
Awkward-Noise1964@reddit
Especially true on meats. I prefer the greek pitaor tzatziki, over the alterbatives, but sis kebap wins over souvlaki for me.
Puzzleheaded-Box-432@reddit
I love you and I love turk brothers to, you're very honest, turks has indeed more varieties in spicing the food while the Greek are the best in fishy stuff but of course the taste it's individually.
ChaosKeeshond@reddit
You people added pistachios to baklava.
We invented baklava, but you made it great.
Historical_Let_6654@reddit
Also in sweets with syrup. I think their quality in Turkey big city is better than in Greece. I only have 2 desserts in my mind that greeks we are better. Karydopita ( walnut cake) and trigona panoramatos (phyllo pasty filled with cream) that comes from thessaloniki
reiwhy@reddit
As a Turk
ulasxd@reddit
In some foods yeah in some other foods it fucks you up man lol
Cool_Guy_Chazz@reddit
People often argue over who “owns” foods that developed during the Ottoman era, but the reality is far more complex. These dishes emerged within a vast, multicultural and multiethnic empire, shaped by centuries of interaction among Byzantine, Arab, Turkic, Slavic, and many other culinary traditions. They are not the product of a single nation, but the result of shared history, migration, and cultural exchange. Many of these foods also carry Turkish names, largely because Turkish was the language of the ruling class and administration within the empire. This influenced how dishes were recorded, named, and passed down, even when their ingredients, techniques, or origins were more diverse. Claiming that such foods belong exclusively to one group whether Greek, Turkish, or anyone else oversimplifies that rich, intertwined past. These dishes are a collective heritage, reflecting the diversity of the people who lived, cooked, and evolved them over time. Reducing them to modern national ownership ignores the reality of how cultures develop: together, not in isolation.
Free-Celebration4562@reddit
Honestly... and simply saying Greek or Turkish even erases the many ethnic groups within Greeks and Turks alike. Greece is tiny and yet there are many differences between the North and the South. I can't imagine that coastal Turkey will have the same local dishes as far eastern regions in Turkey, both due to historical and geographical reasons.
SkoTeinH_GrammH@reddit
Grate job brother.
riverloves90s@reddit
Yepyep. Its annoying when it gets to "who owns this food" or "you stole from us" thing. Because turks and greeks lived together for centuries. Since no one has a patent for these, i find it ridiculous tbh.😭
Iapetus404@reddit
My grandfathers never live together with Turks but under they swords.....
Christians Greeks was 3rd class citizens in Ottoman empire.
ohgoditsdoddy@reddit
Naški.
dallyan@reddit
Well said.
puzzledpanther@reddit
Perfectly said
turningredpanda22@reddit
Should we stop arguing who makes the best yogurt?
astralrig96@reddit
this is the exact same with traditional folk music of those regions
mob74@reddit
As a Turk i completely agree with you.
ProfitAcceptable4256@reddit
Great, can you now get my girlfriend to agree?
mob74@reddit
OK, prepare the same dishes twice for her. And ask her which one she thinks taste better.
Alector87@reddit
What is this? Logic and understanding of historical realities? This is reddit, sir! The nerve of the man... I do declare!
senolgunes@reddit
Preach brother! This is what I always say as well. Why argue about who created what, when you can be happy about the fact that there are so many versions of your favorite dishes!
Imagine if we had a yearly cook-off instead of fighting, every nation brought their twist on the chosen menu of the year, which is decided by a lottery/draw. We can call it Medifusion or something. Then there's a restaurant in each city which serves the winning dishes.
On second thought, that might lead to new conflicts...
moroseali@reddit
Administration or ruling class did not really use Turkish though, they used Ottomanese, Osmanlıca, a mix of Arabic Persian and Turkish. But other than that yeah
ShiruTheSpammer@reddit
Long text, me no read, me kebap
ulasxd@reddit
Finally someone is explaining the situation without emotions and hate. Well said brother 🫶🏻
basedfinger@reddit
The real question should be, which country has the superior healthcare system? Because i'll be needing a bypass surgery after I eat all of that in one sitting.
Free-Celebration4562@reddit
That's the right question, right here. The answer is: neither!
rsdlblght@reddit
Greek seafood is and some mezes are far better, Olive oil dishes are slightly better.
Turkish lamb kebabs and desserts are far better.
And I was pleasantly surprised when I ate gryros, a very good pork variation of döner.
JoTenshi@reddit
Και τα δύο/ikiside
Kindly_End7767@reddit
same
Ok-Catch-6803@reddit
Since the Balkans belonged to the Ottoman Empire, the owner of the food is directly the Republic of Turkiye
Elias_Sideris@reddit
From what I've heard from people who've visited both countries, they say Turkish food has more intense flavours, but Greek food is healthier.
That_One_Guy1357@reddit
Honestly i like souvlaki and gyros more than shish kebabs and doner kebabs, but turkish pide bread is better than pita bread. Turkish food is more of a hit or miss for me, there's a lot of spices and sometimes it's too much, whereas greek is a safe choice always. Doesn't make turkish any worse when it does hit though, and when it does, it hits hard.
ILikeTurtlus@reddit
Brother, as long as the food is good, I don't care if it came from the depths of hell. I'll eat it
Iapetus404@reddit
The original Greek one of course!
Turks just steal our cuisine like our cities in Asia Minor and give them new names like Constantinople call it Istanbul and Smyrna called Ismir but they always will know that are Greek cities!
Csislioglu@reddit
Same culture passed down to each other. We used to live together for almost 400 years before the English came. I'd say the obly bridge between those times is the shared cultural courtacies and the food. I personally don't think one is seperate from the other and just enjoy it when I'm having one.
Andreuw5@reddit
One is from Allah. Other is from Jesus.
dr_prdx@reddit
Ottoman foods are common.
Suitable_Solid7543@reddit
Without Musakka and Baklava !!! shame on you 🙃With Ouzo or Rakı that table is gold 🔥 Being a Turkish person and visiting Greece regularly, I have to admit that I found Greek residents are very welcoming and friendly even far more than in Turkey. I had amazing conversations especially with the elder ones. While on a motorcycle trip, whoever sees a TR logo on a license plate comes next to us and interacted, sometimes in Turkish as well. Such a beautiful country 🫶🏻
renome@reddit
Fighting over cuisine is the stupidest shit ever, just be glad it all exists and enjoy whatever you enjoy.
Formal_Guard_472@reddit
We are one people that have been divided again and again by governments and politicians.
No_Jokes_Here@reddit
50/50 Half are better in Turkish version half in Greece version
alpiflexing@reddit
I mean i geniuenly doesn't understand the hate between as the original post said it sharing is caring i've tried both they are both good in it's own unique way stop hating one another already
Ecce_Homo___@reddit
Let us be honest all is Greek , Turks just stole from them like they stole Greek land.
Orka_o@reddit
I dont even get why is there a debate. all of the foods up there came from people in ottoman empire (to my knowledge) someone in the empire made it and its impossible to pinpoint who made it. Why debate it just say its ottoman and go on your way
Aromatic_Dinner_2737@reddit
My Greek friends, tell me is Kokotesti is spicy too? Toilet is a nightmare after eating Kokoreç.
Classic-Benefit-2161@reddit
Gyros is not Doner
waudmasterwaudi@reddit
Gyros with french fries inside?? Oh yeah!!!
waudmasterwaudi@reddit
Same same but different
Own_Tennis_3246@reddit
I'm currently living in Türkiye now for about 2 years already and I must say the foods are good, the only problem for me is I find some of the dishes little bland they put so little SALT maybe I'm too asian to some of the foods here because I find it bland.
Lucifer_893@reddit
🇷🇴
Elegant-Method902@reddit
Pork is superior.
ugrasergun@reddit
Lamb and beef is superior. Pork is a bad substitute for them.
tjaldhamar@reddit
Lamb above all else. Greetings from the Faroe Islands 🇫🇴
Planpy7@reddit
I prefer corn
Bayern4189@reddit
In romania, everything contains pork even cars tyers
Gabzo2@reddit
There is a simple answer for this actually. When Romania was under the Ottoman Empire, tribute was paid in produce, meat and money. Sometimes, the empire would request animals to be “donated”. Ottoman Empire was Muslim and hence they did not eat pork so it was the best animal to raise knowing that you’ll get to eat it eventualy.
menina2017@reddit
😂
Greek_Bodybuilder995@reddit
Oh I am eating everything. Though, here in Germany the Turks still have cheaper food. Greek restaurants in Germany think it's appropriate to charge 32€ for a piece of Moussaka. So I eat ramen when I eat out, or I grab a nice little döner. Oddly enough a doner costs as much as a good ramen these days here.
Candid-Anteater211@reddit
Finally a good and peaceful sharing
DeltaObserve@reddit
Bu puanlamayı sikik bir Alma yapmadıysa ben de bir şey bilmiyorum.
Stormrage44@reddit
Kesin ya da ingiliz falandır
paid_debts@reddit
falandır with that profile picture made me think
Stormrage44@reddit
How?
paid_debts@reddit
palandır
Stormrage44@reddit
You mean the palantir?
paid_debts@reddit
yes that was what the word reminded of that was the joke
Stormrage44@reddit
Cheers, got it now.
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NiceHaas@reddit
Taste Atlas is Croatian
EarlGreyKv@reddit
Wannabe German then, got it.
ZemlyaNovaya@reddit
Lmaooo
Snoopy34@reddit
Where is baklava
gavrogirl@reddit
I will gladly eat any and all of these in both countries 🇬🇷🇹🇷
DJMiko21@reddit
Of all the dishes, I think the only truly superior is the tzatziki, all others are a matter of preference (I just think dill on yogurt works better that mint)
Lumpy_Reality2233@reddit
As a Turk who has tried all of them except loukoumades, I've objectively written down my winners. But don't forget that I've been familiar with Turkish food culture and taste buds for many years, so I'm used to this.
1) I don't like sarma or sarmades but i pick Turkish Sarma 2) Turkish Köfte 3)Turkish Kokoreç 4) Greek Pita (sorry pide) 5)Greek Tzatziki ( sorry cacık) 6) Greek Taramasalata but i dont like both of them. 7)Greek Melitzanosalata 8) Turkish Şiş kebap (and 38,276 other types of kebabs) 9) Turkish Döner
While the place you eat makes a big difference in Türkiye, in Greece you can usually find a certain level of quality.For fish dishes and accompanying mezes (including ouzo), you can choose Greece, while for meat and all things meat-related, you can opt for Türkiye.
oldyellowcab@reddit
The Greeks are masters of seafood. However, Greek dishes often end up being too salty, even for someone like me who enjoys salty flavors. Turkish cuisine has more variety.
puzzledpanther@reddit
How? Surely that's down to the person making them.
oldyellowcab@reddit
Of course, it's humans who prepare the dishes. But trust me, komsu, I've been to many restaurants on both the islands (many times) and in Athens, and they've all been absolutely delicious. However, every time, the meat and fish they served were too salty. A great Cretan chef said his secret for delicious food was “putting salt, too much salt” on meat. I've learned to say “please put less salt” when ordering.
puzzledpanther@reddit
I'm from Crete and both my father and grandfather were cooks, so I cook a lot too. We use spices but not as much as in Turkey or the Middle East.. this is because we rely on good tasting local produce. It's not considered a good practise to use too many spices that masks the taste of the produce. It also makes the food easier to digest. Don't get me wrong, I like foods with more spices too (wife is a fan of Indian cuisine) but I can respect both sides of the argument.
I guess, often, some chefs like the guy you talked to find it easy to overuse salt to avoid serving a dish to a tourist who doesn't have a mild pallete (maybe he had some negative experiences with customers in the past?)... but since I often cook for people who do not want salt at all.. I only put a the minimum while cooking and rest you can put on your plate as much as you want without affecting everyone's elses dish.
oldyellowcab@reddit
Wonderful, my friend. I am aware that Crete has a rich culinary tradition. We had a lot of experience with it as well. The chef also stated that he only used sea salt. He also stressed "keeping things simple." (But his dishes were too salty, despite being extremely delicious. lol.) As you mentioned, Turkish cuisine incorporates more spices than Greek cuisine. But I always say that the Greeks use oregano better than we do. Different traditions, indeed. Cheers to your family. Have a nice weekend.
puzzledpanther@reddit
Exactly. I don't really think something is objectively better than something else. Each country, city, village, family have different ways of doing things. I do things like I was taught by my father and how I slowly adapted it to my own pallete. I'm sure it's the same for you and for everyone who cooks.
Busternookiedude@reddit
Honestly both versions are delicious and I will eat either without starting a geopolitical debate. Food is food. Just pass me the plate and nobody gets hurt.
stuyvesant1@reddit
Everything Greek is better, except for Kofte and Cevapi. No one knows how to make it except for Bosnians, Macedonians, Serbians. The Greek and Bulgarian minced meat both suck.
ButcherZV@reddit
Greek ofc.
Experience_Material@reddit
People saying Greek and Turkish food are the same thing haven’t really explored greek and Turkish food.
There are many similarities but many techniques and dishes are vastly different.
Alector87@reddit
Sure, but they are mostly geographical/local differences that have solidified by conflict, wars, ethnic and geno- you know what, and eventually population exchange.
Experience_Material@reddit
Almost all food differences are geographical differences that get greater and greater the more you go further away.
Alector87@reddit
I am not sure I understood what you are trying to say. Can you be a bit more specific. Thanks.
Experience_Material@reddit
People in the past due to nationalism tried to say that two cuisines that were close were vastly different in modern times the narrative has changed to say that they are exactly the same when this isn’t true either and often seems as just a reaction to the first to make it seem like they are exactly the same when they aren’t.
Alector87@reddit
Oh, ok. I understand what you mean now. θενκς!
Commercial_Handle418@reddit
The color palette made me think it was domino's before I saw the dishes
LavaKing60@reddit
They're the same thing anyway. If they're tasty (which at least most of them are), who cares where they're from?
outofhom@reddit
What about baklava and coffee
Accomplished-Move840@reddit
Just Turkish
metman82@reddit
Always Turkish Always my brother. Always
ze4lex@reddit
How big are kofte? They look closer to mpiftekia than keftedes.
spook008@reddit
Turkish tends to be Halal. Greek people pretend they don’t know what that is alot of time when I call.
PastaExtravaganza@reddit
I love the irony of asking and potentially starting discourse with "which one is superior" when the image itself is like "aw they mirror each other, that's wholesome :D"
atakantar@reddit
Shared? :D
afewnameslater@reddit
I like how they branded it Greek vs Turkey, when the fact is that most of these dishes are considered “national” by all balkan countries.
frenchieguy81@reddit
everything. Дюнерът is more superior tho
Savings_Show_8499@reddit
Both fire amk I live in Europe I go more to Greek restaurants Than I go Turkish
puzzledpanther@reddit
I wish we could ban stupid nationalists so the rest of us can just enjoy all the dishes in the picture.
PckMan@reddit
The image is literally meant to promote unity and you want to stir up shit
puzzledpanther@reddit
That's nationalism for you.
Wojewodaruskyj@reddit
I love turkish food. Never tried greek.
driftstyle28@reddit
Yeah... Turkish food is Greek food. The Greeks and Levantines been eating this since before the Ottoman Empire was even an idea.
Alarmed-Artichoke238@reddit
yep, thats why most of dishes names derived from turkic languages, and also eaten in central asia
driftstyle28@reddit
This is most of the foods on the list until I ran out of Claude credits, none of them seem to have roots in central Asia or Ottoman Turkey.
Lokma The earliest documented form of lokma appears in 13th-century Abbasid Caliphate cookbooks, where it’s called luqmat al-qādi (“judge’s morsels”) — a yeast-leavened dough fried in oil and soaked in honey or sugar syrup. However, there’s even older documentation — a similar fried dough was found in the tomb of Egyptian Pharaoh Ramses IV, who died in 1149 BC. So the absolute first origin points to ancient Egypt / the medieval Arab world (Abbasid Caliphate), depending on how strict your definition is.
Köfte The word “köfte” comes from the Persian word kufta, meaning “to pound,” and the earliest recipes appear in Arab cookbooks featuring large lamb meatballs glazed with saffron and egg yolk. Köfte is known to have originated in Central Asia and Mesopotamia. Origin: Ancient Persia / Mesopotamia, spread through Arab culinary tradition.
Taramasalata The practice of preserving and consuming fish roe in Greece dates back to ancient times, where salted fish and roe served as dietary staples and were offered in rituals to deities like Poseidon. These early traditions evolved into structured preserved roe dishes during the Byzantine Empire. The word tarama itself is borrowed from Turkish. Origin: Ancient Greece / Byzantine Empire, with the modern dish crystallizing in the 19th century.
Souvlaki This one is the oldest of the bunch by far. Excavations in Santorini unearthed stone cooking supports used before the Thera eruption of the 17th century BC — souvlaki was “a popular delicacy in Santorini back in 2000 BC.” In Mycenaean Greece, “souvlaki trays” were discovered in Gla, Mycenae, and Pylos. The origins of souvlaki as slices of meat grilled on a spit date back to ancient Greece, known as obeliskos, and it was mentioned in the works of Aristophanes, Xenophon, and Aristotle. Origin: Ancient Greece, ~2000 BC (Bronze Age).
Pita Pita has roots in the prehistoric flatbreads of the Near East. There is evidence from about 14,500 years ago that the Natufian people in what is now Jordan made a kind of flatbread from wild cereal grains. By 4,000 years ago, pita-like flatbreads cooked in a tandoor were a basic element of Babylonian/Mesopotamian diet. Origin: The Levant / Fertile Crescent (modern-day Jordan/Iraq), ~14,500 years ago — making it by far the oldest item on either of your two lists.
Gyros / Kebab (Döner) The vertical spit method — which defines modern gyros/döner — dates back to at least 300 BC, when the King of Persia reportedly served spit-roasted meats to Alexander the Great’s army. The technique caught on in Ottoman-era Bursa (19th century), evolved from ancient Persian/Mesopotamian spit-roasting traditions.
Alarmed-Artichoke238@reddit
oh so you just cherry pick and use AI nice, how about şiş kebap which has literally turkish name, dolma, turkish name, also first modern döner in history made in ottoman empire by 1800s, it has photo in archives you can look up to
puzzledpanther@reddit
Stop using the "National name" argument.. it's stupid and does not mean ownership or original invention.
Unless you think GrecoRomans invented the television.
yesil92@reddit
You mean Greek Food is Turkish food otherwise they wouldn't use the Turkish names for them.
driftstyle28@reddit
And somehow most of those dishes were being eaten by Greeks and Levantines before the Ottoman Empire even existed.
yesil92@reddit
And then they decided to use Turkish dishes. Sure, buddy. Also, Turks were in the region long before the Ottoman Empire existed.
driftstyle28@reddit
Don't even try to compare actual Turkic Turks from the Steppe and the Ottoman cocktail that modern Turks are, you have more Greek and Arab heritage than Turkic.
yesil92@reddit
That's not the topic. Besides no, my ancestors were nomadic and Arabs weren't even that present in Anatolia. So it's probably rather Turkic + Anatolian Roman.
And what kind of argument is that? Serbs have more Illyrian, Thracian, Roman, and Celtic DNA than Slavic. Same goes Greeks or Arabs. We're all "cocktails". That's called ethnogenesis.
Substantial-One1934@reddit
Take it easy men,we are discussing food, not history.
yesil92@reddit
Agreed but tell that our Serbian keyboard warrior
ulasxd@reddit
The ppl who leave in the similar geographical regions eat similar foods bc of similar animals and crops. Fucking grow up
ulasxd@reddit
Let’s not start that stupid argument… No reason…
Dear-Ad1582@reddit
He is from Serbia.. They are famous for that...
ulasxd@reddit
I don’t wanna say that but in this case unfortunately yes…
mob74@reddit
Of course. The people in that region were Gods and they created the Turks only for naming those food in Turkish so that they can slightly change the names. You have exposed the conspiracy, well done
Wojewodaruskyj@reddit
Of course. It's regional food.
driftstyle28@reddit
Beautiful PFP by the way, enjoy your Strastna Piatnytsia🙏🏻
Wojewodaruskyj@reddit
Thank you, brother. Blagoslovy Bozhe (God bless).
driftstyle28@reddit
Благослови Боже💛💙🙏🏻
ParanoicFatHamster@reddit
If you have tried Turkish food, you have tried also Greek food. Not all Turkish food is Greek food as well, but we have many common dishes.
BlackberryHoliday734@reddit
Bizarre statement.
Substantial-Peach-90@reddit
That’s in fact not true, have you been to Turkey and tried their food? Although of course only some dishes are similar, even those are more eastern leaning in spices and they use often different ingredients. I understand the friendly sentiment but it’s just not true that “if you have tried Turkish food, you have tried also Greek food”
ParanoicFatHamster@reddit
So this is exactly what I meant.
og_toe@reddit
it’s practically the exact same thing, maybe only difference is some spices or something
shezofrene@reddit
or use of pork really
byhesher@reddit
It's the same thing because of the Ottoman Empire. Greeks hate Turks Turks hate Greeks for obvious reasons.
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
I don't hate Greeks on the contrary, I like them.
NovaNightDrama@reddit
Looking at the image, it's pretty the same, but I'm not either turkishnor greek, so not my debate.
ExoticFortune2439@reddit
The one that is most affordable.
bigelcid@reddit
Ioaninna: gyro, soda, foot massage and blowjob for 10 euros.
Tourist islands: one overcooked shrimp for 25 euros!
Beneficial_Pea_3981@reddit
As someone who lives in an island, fuck it it's true, can't wait to go to my Epirus side to finally afford eating out without regretting my existence
taucko@reddit
fundamentally incompatible
Alector87@reddit
Do Turkish people eat tzatziki/cacik? The Turks I have met in the States while at studying there, told me that they prefer garlic-yogurt, which isn't exactly the same.
Ltb_Rhn@reddit
Cacik is eaten often and yes, garlic-yogurt isn’t even used in the same manner. Cacik is like a refreshing side thing you eat which has its own bowl since it’s rather liquidy compared to tzatziki and garlic-yogurt is something you pour on things or dip into. We love garlic over here though, many I know would say garlic-yogurt could save the worst meals.
Alector87@reddit
Got it. Thanks for the reply.
Ltb_Rhn@reddit
My pleasure, have a nice day
GoHardLive@reddit
Greek and it is not even close. Here in USA everyone knows Gyro. No one knows doner
LeastSpecific4706@reddit
Stormrage44@reddit
Who cares about what people eat in usa, are they a nation of gourmets?
Severe-Mobile6828@reddit
Americans eat for living I dont think so that they have any idea what is tastefull food.
PersimmonTall8157@reddit
In Western Europe doner is more popular than gyros
Old_Employee_6535@reddit
Western doner is an abomination. Poor quality meat with shit tier sauce to cover it up. Dont ever insult us or our Greek brothers with comparing it with actual gyros or döner.
driftstyle28@reddit
Westerners put curry on doner... That's all Ill say
PersimmonTall8157@reddit
Sorry but the best doner I have had was in Germany, and I have had it multiple times in both Greece (gyros) and Turkey.
Severe-Mobile6828@reddit
You dont understand. Germany makes different dish. Its not a döner, no way it is. Also if you wanna eat original döner in Türkiye, you shouldnt choose touristic restaurants.
Severe-Mobile6828@reddit
I’ve been in Germany for a month and tried the döner two times, but I think it’s a unite mincemeat without any turkish style marination process. So they wanna call it döner but its not. Its taste like kind of ready frozen doner which you can find it some turkish market, most pitiable thing is that If ı need to pick one, I would choose ready frozen turkish doner all time. We mix beef and little lamb meat and for taste add a little lamb flank. Some people make mincemeat mix with beef but marination is different than Germany and we accept this type döner 2nd class.
Capricornnetwork05@reddit
everywhere in Europe doner is more popular
driftstyle28@reddit
Not in Serbia, we have way more Gyros places than Kebab. Maybe a few Kebab places in Belgrade and Gyros is a streetfood staple, on every corner of the city.
Sekalino@reddit
r/ShitAmercanssay
komikbisey@reddit
Yeah but most of them also can't show the location of both countries on the map. Americans's familiarity is not the most healthy way to measure here.
Yarrrak31@reddit (OP)
Wow almost like there are more Greeks immigrants there than Turkish ones
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
ofc,
the daily post of a Turk comparing Turkey & us.
(when will u people realize it's embarrassing, lol).
Vyoin@reddit
Isnt it difficult to be like this? Acting like a fkn karen 7/24 😀 And please post some more Greek fighter jets, this sub needs it
LeastSpecific4706@reddit
Oh nooo I missed the cringe😩
haroldstree@reddit
Tzatziki vs cacık is very much a personal choice but the lokoumades and mousakas I tasted in Greece was far better than in Turkey. Otherwise I won't choose at all between any regional/country differences in other dishes.
box215@reddit
need to add ouzo/raki and loukoumi/lokum! yummy
Zealousideal_Cry_460@reddit
İts not that hard people.
Kokoretsi, pita and probably melitzanasalada are greek.
The rest is Turkish/introduced by Turks (revani and eggplant salad are iranian, the rest are certified Turkish dishes)
xarabic34@reddit
doner is bestt https://konyamekan.com/
aquazent@reddit
both.
ugrasergun@reddit
Existence of İskender Kebab gives the win to Turkey.
vandmarar@reddit
The Eurasian obsession with tomato sauce on everything needs to be studied. We invaded a remote continent only to come across a squishy red alien bulb and be like “huh the grass really is greener on the other side”
ugrasergun@reddit
TBF iskender is not just tomato sauce but tomato has lots of glutamate in it, and it's a taste humans like.
sirapg@reddit
.....translate Iskender...
iron_ingo@reddit
Iskender❤️❤️❤️
Burlotier@reddit
Most are Greek-Armenian dishes , some are Persian-Arab-Egyptian dishes .
They can’t be Turkish because: 1) They were nomadic tribes in Central Asia , which would mean they either didn’t have the material , time or comfortablity to make complex or intricate dishes as experimenting would also mean wasting food until you make it right.
2) Haram, the Turks are Muslim and making heavy meat items (even allowed meats) would mean that most would be wasted as they didn’t eat during the day and would only eat a little at night . You could argue that they weren’t loyal to the religion but I would rather not remove a big aspect of whatever resembles a turkish culture (as Kemal lost the gambit with the whole “Turks were always indigenous to Anatolia” when Ancient Greek and Byzantine structures were found)
Yarrrak31@reddit (OP)
You think Turks came to anatolia 100 years ago or something? These foods are not even ancient. Most took their final form couple of hundreds years ago at most. Some of their ingredients couldn't even be found in the old world
Burlotier@reddit
Most of the recent additions are not a core part of the meals (like tomatoes or potatoes) . And the Turks came to Anatolia very recently in a time where those recipes were formed.
The problem isn’t that the Turks were late in cuisine creation but that they label every dish in eastern Mediterranean as “Turkish” when most have Greek, Iranian, Egyptian or Israeli origins .
Even sweets like kourabies have radically different types where their only similarity is that they are cookies . For instance the butter cup cookies with almonds are from Greek anatolians , the Turkish kourabies is more like a nut cookie .
The “Turkish” dishes are as Turkish as the Turks themselves or non corrupted governance and highly efficient bureaucracy that doesn’t put brainwashed child soldiers with emotional and mental issues into both political and military high ranking roles so they don’t kill any innovation or promote further cultural theft .
ihaveseenpenguinsfly@reddit
ouzo vs raki is missing on this
Camacarpansinek@reddit
Just eat
Briefdebrief90@reddit
Im half greek half turkish so definitely objective. My personal preference:
Turkish deserts (baklava kadayif and all related kinds) but greek loukoumades.
Greek dolmades over turkish dolma.
Turkish köfte over keftedes.
Greek gyros over turkish döner (even though greeks brought it home from the ottoman empire).
Turkish kokoreç over kokoretsi (spices and tomato really do make a difference, nothing beats a street kokoreç sandwich)
Not pictured but - greek seafood/fish over turkish seafood/fish.
MartiLay@reddit
The point is that there isn't a matter of superior inferior, it's all tasty and it's obviously been developed and shared together.
Hungry-Eggplant-6496@reddit
Bruh it's like when the protagonist meets his evil twin.
Educational_Wear4355@reddit
They have all the philosophers; made the greatest contribution to civilization, yet they still have their eyes on baklava😂😂😂 let us have our baklava.
pdonchev@reddit
I would choose the Greek side of this pic only because of the pork. Otherwise both cuisines have additional aspects.
TheCypherz@reddit
Byzantine Empire
gurselkz@reddit
I am Turkish gourmet and visited Greece. avarage greek foods better than Turkish foods because of ingridients more natural and healthy foods in greece. however if you look for best taste, Turkish one is more variety and if you can find best of the best. I was very happy to eat greeks foods because of similarity.
IsYourBoyJohny2@reddit
I’d say that best taste depends, as a Greek I prefer Greek food 150% but that’s because I grew up with these tastes, same goes for you I guess
Miguel_si@reddit
Greek to me is better for the dishes on this photo. However Turkish is better for dishes not on the photo :)
Ok-Job-379@reddit
u mean stealing
Upstairs-Win-4679@reddit
Doner over gyros any day. Our dear neighbors are really serious about food and they are keeping the quality very high, not like us the greedy bastards.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Gyros is traditionally pork. So left wins based on that alone.
That said, for some of these I don't like either version (e.g. kokoretsi).
dimidimi92@reddit
As a Greek,i have to say the truth.70% of our foods are inspired from Turkey. And it is normal,if you consider history. And i have to say that I LOVE TURKEY and its tradition and food and language etc etc. Oh, i love turkish tv dramas too.hehe
Imaginary-Green-950@reddit
As a Bulgarian I prefer the Turkish. Just cause there are more spices, not because of the politics... 😜
Cool_Penglin@reddit
They stole turkish name for meat balls!😫
Turbulent-Debate7661@reddit
To be honest these food came up during ottoman era mainly after a lot of culinary mixtures between turks and greeks or anatolian greeks and anatolian turks and then spread to balkans. Overall great tastes and healthy foods but i prefer the greek versions due to very low seasoning as i dont really like spices etc
Cool_Penglin@reddit
Oh yea sharing. NO
SnooMuffins4587@reddit
ProductGuy48@reddit
Can I have both so I can test, k thx bye /s
STATUSReally@reddit
I can vacuum this all in one sit in taverna/kafana...
SnooAdvice6644@reddit
I am not a big fan of eastern cuisine, but cursed be the soul of the person that invented kadayif. That shit bangs!
Circles-of-the-World@reddit
Serious question to Turks: do you guys have portokalopita (orange pie)? It's like ravani, but the texture is different and it has a very strong orange flavour.
azyrr@reddit
Black Sea region, my mom makes it yea, really refreshing stuff. I don’t like sweet stuff tho.
Circles-of-the-World@reddit
Yeah, that's what I'd say. It's the only syropy thing that's refreshing to me. What do you guys call it? In Greece it's a very beloved dessert, especially when served with mastic ice cream.
azyrr@reddit
I think its just called basically an orange cake, thats what mum used to call it. It is much more refreshing then the usual over the top insulin monitors though.
Louk1983@reddit
Greek because of pork. Pork is heaven pork is delish. Lamb is too heavy it tastes like the pen that the animals live in. Lamb is disgusting.
_yasinss_@reddit
All turkish btw
Skullrogue@reddit
All Bulgarian btw :P
Caged_Rage_@reddit
One main dif. Greeks do not have a thing called Lahmacun. We do.
Love kofte, iskender, most kebaps, etc. But lahmacun really hits you different.
tokalper@reddit
Also pide (not pita one but pizza one)
GloomyRelation595@reddit
That's a nice dinner for me
Shythexs@reddit
Damn never seen comment section as mature as this for a while.
Reasonable_Ad6137@reddit
These motherbitches across the street, they serve the cevapi!!!
Checky_3rd@reddit
Having eaten both Turkish and Greek food (Live in Athens and have visited Istanbul, Izmir, and other turkish cities) I ahev deduced that Greek food is superior 😋 👌 😎
Embarrassed-Dinner-6@reddit
I found out that all countries eat the same food, call it different or prepare it differently. Basis is the same. The trick of different taste is in the seasoning and soaking. Small % of popular food dishes are actually unique.
missmccreate@reddit
why they all so low rated is my question broo
ueaeoe@reddit
Greek is better as they have pork. Gyros is basically pork döner.
Efebstnci_@reddit
taşşak mı geçiyon ya sanki onlar bizim altımızda 400 yıl değil de, biz onların altında 400 yıl yaşadık. yan yana konulması bile hata
oioioioioioiioo@reddit
They're all like treasures to me
Bamblue1043@reddit
As a Cypriot, we win with both
adagioforaliens@reddit
Everything looks amazing. I just think that sesame seeds on pide is just amazing, really recommend!!!!
pianistee@reddit
In my first time in Greece i had no idea that they had κοκορέτσι too. It was like heavens gate had opened once i discovered that they had it too, plus being a tasty as fvck alternative to Turkish version. Since it is nearly nowhere to be found in Europe, i could only eat it during my trips to the area. Greeks and Turks know their shit when it comes to culinary arts. A sane person with functioning tastebuds and enough money would never go hungry there, NEVER!
RasyonelRumi@reddit
Depends. I believe kokeretsi is way better, while cacık is a drink tzatziki is a sauce.
Dangerous-Day-2943@reddit
Yes, the Turkish spices are way better, but the mezes and sauce is weak
rabagadov@reddit
The truth is, these foods are not Greek. Greek steal them from Ottomans. These foods are derived from Turks, Armenian, Arabs and Persian
Vyoin@reddit
Longjumping-One8554@reddit
Who cares? Both are great and not too different, not as much as to ask this.
Elegant-Method902@reddit
Obviously Greek, because it's made with pork.
shyte-ster@reddit
As a greek, Turkish food is better hands down they now how to spice things up ngl
CommieAlert@reddit
I mean even two different kofte in one neighborhood differs greatly so I'm sure there are countless versions of these foods that some are good and some are bad in both countries
anon_ninja666@reddit
mariosk89@reddit
Do a Master Chef between Greece and Turkey instead of another Survivor!
Ertema@reddit
Uzun yıllar birlikte yaşamış 2 millet içiçe girmiş kültürler bunkadar benzerlik normal. Yurtta barış , cihanda barış . M. kemal ATATÜRK
AnalkinSkyfuker@reddit
I'll go with greace since I like pork.
MomentumSSbrawl@reddit
Türkiye!!
Such-Distribution440@reddit
Pita used to be called Syrian bread.
KubizzleFoReal@reddit
You can instantly tell which one is imitating
bigelcid@reddit
can you?
EternalPrince54@reddit
Bro it's Good Friday why you had to make me hungry for all these at the same time
dissemblers@reddit
This is why cultural appropriation is a positive thing. Sharing and imitation is how humans learn, connect, and progress.
Majestic-Glass-1914@reddit
As a Bulgarian I love both. I feel like Greek flavour is more subtle and about the fresh ingredients themselves whereas turks are masters of spices and use them very well. Both delicious. In Bulgaria we have our own versions of these and they are also very delicious but in another way.
Extra_Strategy8510@reddit
Gyros, pita, and greek meatballs, otherwise turkish "versions".
Lambi81@reddit
I say this with love of Lukumades and Loqma, and both cultures, but it’s originally from neither countries, for those curious. Doesn’t mean they can’t celebrate their own versions of course.
MrFqtih@reddit
As a turk, i am very mad.
Happy-Hour88@reddit
The Bulgarian banitsa (burek), tarator, kyufte, shishcheta, and sarmi are better than both. :D The rest I don't think are very typical here anyway. I like both gyros and doner kebab as well as revani (called revane here).
Local-Ask-7695@reddit
Sharing? More like stealing lol. Eu/Armenia hatred for Turkey paved the way for greeks to steal our foods. Even greek president accepted baklava is Turkish. Yogurt is Turkish cuz the word is originated from Turkish. Only Aegean origin food can be "shared" in your terms
Yavannia@reddit
Telephone is a Greek invention because the word is originated from Greek.
mob74@reddit
Yes, after inventing Yogurt, the Greeks honored poor Turks by giving a Turkish name for it. They are also the first nation that invented time machine, and gave the formula to central asian Turks some thousand years ago 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yavannia@reddit
You completely missed my point.
mob74@reddit
😁👍🏻 could mean the other way, i’ve chosen the negative one 😢
Local-Ask-7695@reddit
My low iq neighbor, so u found the yoghurt and decided to name it from a language from middle asia? At yoghurt foundation times you were not neighbor.
herakababy@reddit
People were making sour milk long before it started being called yogurt... Herodotus describes consumption of fermented dairy products fifth century bc. Pliny the Elder also mentions "sour milk" in first century ad.
Local-Ask-7695@reddit
Yogurt does not have to be sour. Turkey has so many yogurt options( not flavors). Cope harder
herakababy@reddit
Sure honey, ottomans invented yogurt when they established their state. Before that nobody knew how to name their fermented milk in a pot.
perverteconomist@reddit
Turkish versions of these dishes are mostly better. However, I think Greeks make dishes based on wild greens better than Turks. My grandmother’s parents were from Crete, and I have never tasted anything like her foraged greens. She would cook dishes with lamb and, I guess, wild fennel, or make a meze with thistle… and her salads… omg… would leave anyone speechless. My other grandmother, who was a Turkoman woman, could cook almost everything else better than her and was a master of dolma and sarma. And here’s an advice to all who wanna visit southwest Turkey try stuffed artichokes (enginar dolması).
IJustHadAPanicAttack@reddit
Left and right Twix ahh food differences
Flokithedog@reddit
Turks are a mix of all the different historic ethinicities of Anatolia, including Steppe Turk and Greek.
The local cuisine reflects that.
The 'Greeks' were there for 1000 years, mixing their cuisine with the local goods. Then came the Turks mixing more middle eastern influences they picked up on the way and Turkic things with the local cuisine.
It is not stolen one from the other, but a shared mix. And it is the BEST mix!
Various_Cry7684@reddit
Who gave Revani 3,6??? Are we serious??? dolmades at 4,2??? Gyros 4,3??? Is this rigged????
Internal-Debt1870@reddit
Honest_Hair2856@reddit
Bring all those goodies along with some wine regardless from where you are from and we’ll eat like kings
Blood_Prince95@reddit
When in Greece eat like the Greeks. When in Turkey eat like the Turks. Simple and delicious all the same.
protourgs@reddit
🇬🇷🇬🇷
Silent_Fee5862@reddit
Come on guys, make up and kiss now, it's gone on for long enough
ulasxd@reddit
In Greece i miss Turkish food. In Turkey i miss Greek food…
RD4316@reddit
Greek always
ulasxd@reddit
You should go Turkey to try some 🫶🏻
RD4316@reddit
I have been, don’t like their spices. Greek food in the other hand, superior and delicious 😋
ulasxd@reddit
Oh then you have been in the Eastern Turkey bc in the western Turkey we dont use crazy spices my friend 🙂 no food/race is superior my friend. Peace.
RD4316@reddit
Greek food is 🥰
ulasxd@reddit
However you feel my love 🥰
volcano156@reddit
At least change the name
Niocs@reddit
you think because the names during the ottoman empire prevailed it means you invented this stuff? A nomad horse riding throat singing people?
driftstyle28@reddit
They have an identity crysis, they want to eat delicious mediterranean Greek and Levantine foods but still want to be Turkic horse archers that cure meats under their saddles... Sadly they are neither but an Ottoman cocktail of all the nations they oppressed.
reiwhy@reddit
Don't need to be that pathetic over a simple food post
darthdalak@reddit
A long time ago, they lived alongside the Turkish people, and they heard these names during the Ottoman era. It’s no coincidence that we prepare the same dishes in the same region. They weren’t stealing our recipes, they were already making them.
SE_prof@reddit
The lamb cooked inside the well that I ate in Faith was the best damn food in the entire world.
Eastern-Class-2354@reddit
Where is the Cevapcici
Prudent-Werewolf3712@reddit
I’ll give this one to Greece, Gyros for me tied with cevapi.
AciVici@reddit
rachel_to_phos@reddit
i haven't tried the other side but i am curious
ha11oga11o@reddit
Yes!
rydolf_shabe@reddit
We have almost all of these in Albania too
Silly_Play_6788@reddit
Greek meat has superior taste. Turkish meat dishes are full of lamb (odler sheep) and I cant stand the smell or taste.
Turkish sweets are better than Greek Ones.
Best of both worlds.
driftstyle28@reddit
Lamb is delicious, sadly we had to stop eating it at celebrations and switched mostly to pork because the Turks used to steal food from our Slavas, Easters and Christmases but they cannot steal the pig, only tomatos and onions😂
ulasxd@reddit
Bro are you here to just talk shit about Turkish ppl ? Except you no one is being provocative bre
Familiar_Anywhere815@reddit
Lambs are young sheep, what you're referring to is mutton, and yes, it smells. I've always hated lamb since I was a kid (it's smelly and fatty in a way that doesn't play well for me), but somehow always tolerated mutton.
Pork is love, in any case. Turkish meat dishes are delicious to me when they're beef or chicken.
MohWilliams@reddit
Perhaps you should google what lamb is before commenting
DuePositive8957@reddit
Something about Alexander The Great. That reminds me, we have a dish called İskender. Which is Döner but you put it on crispy chopped Pide with its Tomato sauce on the bottom with Döner layed on top of it with oil. That is İskender. You know who else is called İskender? Alexander the Great. We call him “Büyük İskender.” We also call cities like Alexandria “İskenderiye” Why? Idk. Does anyone have any idea?
Oudeis_1618@reddit
I miss döner so much, favourite food while I was in Germany
PurpleMclaren@reddit
Those are all Macedonian dishes actually
drunkguyfrommunich@reddit
It was all invented by a croatian chef in Carigrad. Later stolen by Mehmet II.
ulasxd@reddit
Thanks for speaking up for me. I’m the said croatian chef
mob74@reddit
That serbian chef’s name was Nikola Tesla 👍🏻
driftstyle28@reddit
And the Croatian chefs grandpa was a Serb so whose is it really?😂
Different-Joke-197@reddit
Hahahahha good one 😂
neymlis@reddit
That croatian chef stole it from my 10th generation grandfather
Severe-Mobile6828@reddit
😂
IonutRO@reddit
Substantial-One1934@reddit
It's almost the same with some variation. The same food you can eat in the whole of the Balkans.Originally I think that it comes from the Ottoman's Empire.
P-R-E-S-S__F@reddit
The comment button is calling the r/2balkan4u user within me like the green goblin mask... 💔
P-R-E-S-S__F@reddit
What the fuck is that goofy ass jumpscar eat the end of the gif lmao 😭😭??
Whole_Obligation_776@reddit
Both is good on the meat and yoghurt related stuff but I'll draw the sword on the deserts.
Greek stuff is too sweet for me.
(I dont eat any sherbet stuff in Turkey either but the rest is milder and better at least for me)
Lvl100Centrist@reddit
bro seriously
Whole_Obligation_776@reddit
Yeah I go for a bit milder sweets and the things I tried were usually too sweet for me. Like it felt too much sugar.
Lvl100Centrist@reddit
okay if that's your preference then I understand (and I share it to some extent) but a Turk saying that Greek desserts are too sweet is like a Swedish guy saying Indian food is too bland. I mean your food should be served with a side of insulin
Whole_Obligation_776@reddit
All the sherbet stuff, such as all the baklava, for sure. But not the cookies and a lot of milk based ones, which makes it really hard for me to deal with my fatass. I dont really eat any of the too sweet ones, but I tried greek cookies and stuff, they felt more sweet.
I also saw less milk based deserts, but maybe I didnt know what to look for.
AlmightyEggnog7@reddit
I gotta say i prefer the turkish ones overall especially the meats, but i might give tzatziki the win over cacık ngl
menina2017@reddit
Why are you trying to start a war?
kodial79@reddit
No baklava in the picture because as we all know it's only Greek!
menina2017@reddit
😂 ok
EfficientTrick9195@reddit
I absolutely love Turkish food, however... When I went to Greece and tried the dolmades and tzatziki with dill, I was sold. Ever since I make it this way
Also, the moussaka 🤤 I'm in love ngl. I really enjoyed the country, its nature, the history, the food and culture. Such lovely people.
mrhnsmnckc@reddit
Pita is not pide ekmek. Bazlama is more similar than pide
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
Idc just give me one of them to eat before my wallet gone bankrupt just for lookin to it.
Born-Till-1738@reddit
Greek
Experience_Material@reddit
Turkish
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
EvilInGood@reddit
Yaprak sarması is rarely the used name for that. In the Black Sea region, most of us call it dolma.
DrCdiff@reddit
People of Turkey are just confused greeks someone converted to islam and convinced to be turkic people.
Change my mind (just for fun, do not become crazy)!
No-Two6412@reddit
Considering almost all of the dishes in here are of Turkic origin, it might be more likely the opposite of what you said.
driftstyle28@reddit
Yogurt, Pilav and cured meats are not almosy all of the dishes here.
Glittering-Most-4124@reddit
I’m not so sure, since all of the ones you mentioned also exist in Central Asia. Though, to be fair, these are very basic things that multiple cultures could develop independently without needing external influence.
Glittering-Most-4124@reddit
I agree that Turkish people have a very large Anatolian Greek and general Anatolian admixture. However, I do not agree with the extreme claim that Turkish people are simply “Turkified Greeks.”
For one, people who say this often assume that Seljuk Turks looked like Japanese, which is simply not true. If you go to Turkmenistan today, people do not look like Japanese, Mongolian, or Kazakh populations. Most people do not have a strongly East Asian phenotype; some may have slightly slanted eyes or other minor features, while many do not show these traits at all. There is a big difference between a population that looks strongly East Asian mixing to the point of losing that appearance, and a population that already only had slight or partial features mixing further and gradually losing them.
Another reason I do not accept this theory is that there are many Yörük tribes who are nomadic, and even most of them do not have a strong Central Asian phenotype. Some people claim that Seljuks forced Greeks into nomadism, but that makes no sense. In both the Ottoman Empire and the Seljuk Empire, nomadic Turkish tribes were actually forced to settle down. Nomadism was disliked, especially because nomads could avoid taxes, and authorities did not tolerate that. As a Sudanese friend of mine once said, “If there is one thing Turks love, it’s taxation.”
Another problem with this claim is that neither in the Ottoman Empire nor in the Seljuk Empire was Turkish language or culture strongly promoted. You might be able to make people adopt a new language over time, but you cannot just make them abandon their entire culture. You can teach someone a different language, but you cannot make them forget all their instruments and traditions and replace them completely with foreign ones (except maybe in very region-specific cases).
My opinion is that already mixed Oghuz Turkic groups migrated into lands that were mostly non-Turkic, settled in areas with large Greek populations, and over 800 years became even more mixed. That explanation makes far more sense to me than saying “Turks are just Turkified Greeks.”
To be clear, I reject the “Turkified Greek” idea not because of nationalism, but because it just does not seem realistic. I am not a nationalist—I actually dislike nationalism. I simply do not believe that a culture with deep roots and a long history can be completely replaced by the cultrure of a ''small group of migrants''. That seems extremely unlikely, especially since neither the Seljuks nor the Ottomans really pushed Turkish culture that hard, and even elites sometimes used “Turk” as an insult.
gimmieshelter_@reddit
It's more like formerly hellenized anatolians got turkified later on :)
IntelligentPlate5051@reddit
I kinda think it's the opposite. Greeks are just orthodox middle easterners
OfficiallyJoeBiden@reddit
Yes
GodsDick31@reddit
Turkish here: I think if a foreigner would ask this basic level seperation could be meze and sea food greek meat turkey.
ahmetonel@reddit
Obviously Türkiye
sayinmer@reddit
rage bait no thanks!
Gandorhar@reddit
Both slap hard, I don't care just gimme!
Away-Willingness-522@reddit
Turkey has ruled the Balkans in terms of food
nicetrykafka@reddit
Greek side
nicetrykafka@reddit
Greek side
Automatic-One8794@reddit
Turkish
Broad-Anywhere-9224@reddit
Yes! 💯 :))
driftstyle28@reddit
Dishes created by Greeks, adopted by the Ottomans and hailed as "Turkish cuisine". This is too funny.
Familiar_Anywhere815@reddit
Yeah, they're so Greek that they don't even have Greek words for them and call them by a bastardization of the Turkish name which has a meaning in Turkish but not in Greek, in most cases. There are exceptions, like gyros, which...also went by the name of doner in Greece until the 70s, when they changed the name to the Greek translation of doner.
Most of these dishes are Ottoman Turkish and that's the reason they exist in almost every former Ottoman territory. In the end, that doesn't matter at all, because I think Greeks execute many of these dishes better than Turkish cuisine itself does, but both are very delicious.
driftstyle28@reddit
Oh so they did with dishes what Albanians did with toponyms? Also Ottoman =/= Ottoman Turk
KataraMan@reddit
It's like asking "Do you like air or water more?"
herakababy@reddit
Greek food has the advantage of including pork, which really diversifies the flavor profile of the cuisine. Turkish food on the other hand feel more refined and with better use of spices and condiments. Also to be honest most of the pictured stuff is found everywhere else on the Balkans with slight variations and it all depends on the personal preference of the consumer.
Suitable-Decision-26@reddit
yes
asscher4batsky@reddit
Souvlaki looking so good. I don't know how it tastes but i think gayreeks better than us in advertasing
L4zy_B34r@reddit
Well Greece is older so it is Greek
f1zo@reddit
I am Bulgarian and i absolutely love both Greek and Turkish cuisine! No need to compare them, both are amazing !
REDBOSS27@reddit
BOTH!
barneyaa@reddit
No fish in sight :))) i’d go turkish every day of the week, except tursdays as ns thursdays. Weekrnd for grerk as well.
Nerran85@reddit
Bad AI slop.
eylch@reddit
yunanlar sarmaya dolmaki mi diyorlar. ölün ya.
GeneralPoot@reddit
Turkish.
GeneralPoot@reddit
Why am i getting downvoted dawg
0815Benutzername@reddit
Guys, its literally the same 😅
No-Carpenter4346@reddit
I think we’re missing the point of this post saying one is better than the other. We share and care love to all the people that enjoy this fantastic family of cuisine minus the Ukrainian troll in the comments
PersimmonTall8157@reddit
The post is literally asking with one is more superior lmao
No-Carpenter4346@reddit
Regardless of the title look what the image says bro
PersimmonTall8157@reddit
Yeah but OP clearly wanted a war in the comments.
Yarrrak31@reddit (OP)
You're seeing the big picture
slysmile@reddit
♥️
OwnEntertainment8771@reddit
Are you trying to start a war?
flowgert@reddit
Same in Albania.
Familiar_Outcome_619@reddit
I still love greek one more
Substratas@reddit
Kukurec is so ghetto ughhh. I remember it used to be popular among eldery men who wore ascot caps and drank raki, back in the late 90s.
Big-Waltz5204@reddit
So ridiculous. It's like that Key and Peele sketch called Macedonian cafe. People figured out to put some meat on a bread everywhere bro, it's not like someone invented electricity. It's same wheat, rice, vegetables, fruits that grow everywhere, it doesn't say it's Greek or Turkish or French or Ethiopian on the tree. I find these debates to be really ridiculous. One guy puts tzatziki and other guy hummus or ajvar but it's the same man. Grilled meat on a bread, pretty sure caveman figured that out.
Cursed-Turtle@reddit
Ragebait on my ragebait app¿
Cursed-Turtle@reddit
La adamın nicki Yarrak31miş amk bu bizden
lessismore6@reddit
Lorumba@reddit
I absolutely hate this gif but works perfectly here.
slysmile@reddit
Yes.
headwolf24@reddit
Souvlaki and tzatziki is better but sorry guys, everything else tastes better in Turkey. I love Greek food though, it’s lifesaver abroad and Greek food always makes me feel like I’m home.
InformationTop3437@reddit
Haven't tried all the greek versions, but I like the Turkish ones more because they are spicier. At least, the ones I had, I'm not sure if Turkish people eat spicy in general, but that's the general impression I got. And I love spicy food.
Deep-Ad4183@reddit
Souvlaki is the best.
throwupandaway1257@reddit
It's headlined "sharing is caring" - and op makes it into a competition asking which one is superior. How cynical.
atamehmet@reddit
Both-Opening-970@reddit
Glucomades are the best :D
Sekalino@reddit
Dany_HH@reddit
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