Is the 'making you kid smoke a whole packet' when you catch them actually worth it?
Posted by RagingFuckNuggets@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 60 comments
Really random how it came about in my mind. Mine are both under 5 so definitely nowhere near using this method of discipline. But wondering if it is still a common method to to make your kid smoke a 20 deck when catching them smoking? Or if you experienced this punishment, did it work?
smellyfeet25@reddit
No. stupid and i would think illegal
Pockysocks@reddit
Child abuse is not worth it, no.
mamafish21@reddit
My mother didn't care she said to me "I know you smoke, I do not care, your choice", Not a great mum, I was 15. Like a good parent would stop me from destroying myself. I don't know which one is worse. A parent letting you smoke or have a pretty extreme punishment, but only cigs can kill you (eventually).
shadowmoses4726@reddit
you’re gonna do it behind her back anyway so what’s trying to stop you gonna do
mamafish21@reddit
She actually didn't care about me. Not just that time. I would have stopped if she gave a damn about me, I stole her cigs to see if she would catch me, smoked them not secretly to see if she gave a damn about my health. No. Smoking a full pack that's just pure abuse but I mean like no phone for a week or something like that as a punishment or be on lockdown, just something. Not let me carry on destroying my teen lungs. What a mother. I would never to my son.
L-0-T-H-0-S@reddit
I grew up in a house with a heavy smoker - that was actually deterrent enough to make me (as a kid, at least) never want to voluntarily go near one of the things, ever. I absolutely fucking hated them.
The problem is, of course - being around a heavy smoker, day-in-day-out - you actually are smoking, functionally speaking. You don't get nicotine withdrawals or anything because your primary living environment is suffused in cigarette smoke - you're constantly getting your daily nicotine fix without actually realising it.
This didn't become apparent to me until the age of 18 while I was studying for my A-level mocks - I'd come back from a party, not drunk just happily relaxed and back home I found myself sitting there staring at this packet of my dads smokes, lighting one up and the next thing realising I was half the way down the thing without so much as a cough.
There was no trial phase, there was no coughing my lungs up or feeling sick the minute I took the smoke back - that first cigarette went down as smooth as if watching Michael Caine neck one in The IPCRESS File.
Obviously I put it out as soon as realised what the hell I was doing but, once I'd had an actually taste of a full cigarette, that's when my background nicotine wiggles consciously woke up and I became aware of the fact, all along, I'd actually been getting them my entire life its just, without the actual activity of smoking a cigarette direct, you don't know how to place the withdrawal symptoms until you actually experience the full blown effect.
So, no - I was never subjected to punishment for smoking as a kid because I never consciously smoked as one and, because I grew up around a heavy smoker - my father had no way to tell if I'd been smoking or not, his sense of smell was completely fried from about the age of 6 onwards, when he first to his first cigarette.
My dads mum and dad smoked, his elder sister smoked, my father was no different from me - he began smoking from the moment he learned to breath air, he was never not breathing in nicotine from cigarette smoke.
And, I have to say - from the instant I started, I was no different - totally oblivious to the effect it might possibly have on other people - I'd go outside to smoke if at a house where people didn't, but in my own gaff I smoked and smoked until I had a full blown widowmaker and ended up fortunate enough to survive.
That stopped me smoking.
terryjuicelawson@reddit
This was a plot on Neighbours, I think Billy Kennedy got caught smoking and Karl made him smoke them all, then he had an asthma attack during it. I have never seen it as a real example of a good idea. OK so maybe they will go "ew that is gross" and be put off forever, but they would be utterly loaded with nicotine. Probably start craving it again a few hours later.
Wooden_Philosopher26@reddit
A lad at my school was made to sit through an entire VHS porno with his parents after they found it in his room. That was back when those vids were a bit strange as well. I'd rather have eaten it.
GreenyRed@reddit
No, of course not! Negative reinforcement never works.
Instead, when they do a good thing, you should reinforce them positively like giving them a packet of cigarettes.
PabloMarmite@reddit
It’s punishment, not negative reinforcement. Negative reinforcement is when something is reinforcing by being taken away (eg pain goes away when you take paracetamol).
ruu_throwaway@reddit
So close, it’s “positive punishment” you mean.
PabloMarmite@reddit
True, but do you really think that would have added anything to the conversation
ruu_throwaway@reddit
The whole point you were making, was the difference between positive reinforcement, negative reinforcement, positive punishment, negative punishment.
So yeh it would have been correct. Up to you if only being half right and confusing adds anything to the conversation or not.
PabloMarmite@reddit
The difference between positive and negative punishment wasn’t relevant to the conversation, the difference between positive and negative reinforcement was. You attempting to score points is what’s making things confusing.
Affectionate-Owl9594@reddit
My neighbour in 2000 was a nurse and forced her 10-year-old son to smoke a pack of 10 when she caught him having a drag off one. I’ve never understood the logic.
FornyHucker22@reddit
Good way to secure that addiction
Gooner_93@reddit
No its not worth it and I dont think anyone does that now. Would you give an alcoholic alcohol or a cocaine addict cocaine? Its just stupid.
RagingFuckNuggets@reddit (OP)
The alcoholic one.. family member is an alcoholic and has been advised to not stop drinking as it will send their body into shock. Crazy.
Gooner_93@reddit
Yeh thats a good point actually and i guess an exception. Some drugs require tapering.
elmalabarista65@reddit
Didn’t work with me or my two siblings. We were all made to smoke a full pack of twenty each by our Dad and we all still smoke many decades later
Swayfromleftoright@reddit
How did this work? You just sat there for like 2 hours chain smoking them?
Surely you’d vomit halfway through. Even as an adult who smokes I’d struggle to get through that
elmalabarista65@reddit
My old man was an RSM. He supplied us with a bucket to puke in but made us keep going. I think I was about nine. 50 odd years ago and I still remember the puke/ nicotine taste.
coveredinhope@reddit
My grandfather tried something similar with with my aunt when she was around 8. He bought a massive cigar when he found out she’d been stealing his cigarettes and my mother remembers the family watching her little sister smoke the whole thing while occasionally saying “this is great dad”. My aunt is now 75 and still smokes so it didn’t work.
Robertinho678@reddit
Does she smoke cigars though?
coveredinhope@reddit
Not daily, but sometimes. Woman would smoke anything, smoke a rolled up magazine if she could.
Stinkinhippy@reddit
Pretty sure that would fall under endangering your child and child abuse these days.. if it didn't already back in the day.
Only times i've ever heard the stories were from people with a fag hanging from their mouth.. so assume it's not really a worthwhile attempt these days at £15-20 a pack.
GreenLion777@reddit
I have to agree, we're two decades in to tobacco legally taboo and cannot be encouraged or endorsed, so forcing a kid to do so these days, sounds like it should be illegal.
Time-Cover-8159@reddit
Knew of a woman who, as a teen, hung out with a girl who smoked but did not smoke herself. She came home smelling of cigarettes and her dad thought she had smoked them and made her smoke a whole pack. It made her start smoking and, 50 years later, still unable to stop.
evenifihateit@reddit
What would you do these days, make them empty a whole vape cartridge in one session?
And no, of course making someone smoke a whole packet of cigarettes because you are annoyed that they have smoked cigarettes is not reasonable.
nickgardia@reddit
I think it’s one of those urban myths. I don’t know of anyone who actually did this. Or even if it is medically possible.
Least-Entrepreneur23@reddit
I always thought this was just one of those urban legend things that never actually happened. Surely nobody's parents actually did it
DisloyalMouse@reddit
I got grounded when I got caught smoking, whilst my mum cried over how disappointed she was with me.
RagingFuckNuggets@reddit (OP)
This was my punishment too.
DisloyalMouse@reddit
It didn’t help it was not long after they found out I got a tattoo underage. So I was already not in their good books.
getoutmywayatonce@reddit
Reflecting on my teens, I really should’ve just launched all of my bad decisions at once. No need to have got in trouble for once thing, then just as the heat is dying down I then go and do something else. Repeat cycle for years 🤣
DisloyalMouse@reddit
Lmao, girl same! Most of mine were coming home with a new part of my body pierced. Just when they’d got over one I’d come home with a new one lol.
BadBanana999@reddit
Was it a good tattoo?
DisloyalMouse@reddit
It was a butterfly lower back tattoo…so no!?
Pagoda4@reddit
Don’t work. Hank make Bobby do this in an episode is King of the Hill and he became a massive addict.
Robertinho678@reddit
If you want to make your children hate you, sure. It likely won't make them stop smoking though.
GeggingIn@reddit
After catching me, Granny forced me smoke a ten pack. Over twenty five years on still a smoker.
Wouldn’t recommend.
Bifanarama@reddit
I'd probably take them for a walk round the lung cancer ward instead.
zonked282@reddit
My sister was made to smoke a whole pack when she was caught smoking in year 6, has smoked every day since then.
Can't see why it would be helpful, sure it's unpleasant but isn't it also giving them a massive dose of one of the most addictive substances available?
CurlyWhirlyDirly@reddit
BART! Have you started smoking?
GoldfieldHwang@reddit
kids don't smoke these days, they share one vape between six of them
Agitated_Nature_5977@reddit
Maybe better explaining your rationale? With facts and logic? Rather than teach via abuse. They will just learn that they don't like smoking 20 cigarettes in a row but that smaller quantities are for them. For example...I like chocolate but I don't eat 20 chocolate bars in a row. If someone forced me I'd still like chocolate at the end. Just not 20 in a row.
TubbyLittleTeaWitch@reddit
With the price of cigarettes now, are your kidding?!
ToriaLyons@reddit
Most people I know smoke rollies nowadays, so they would have to roll their own. 20 sounds like good practice.
beetrootfarmer@reddit
Fucking expensive punishment these days haha. I'd say it's an old school thing and unlikely to be done now.
Who_Knows_M3@reddit
STILL a common thing? I never heard of this ever actually happening when even I was a child (and that's a couple of dozen years ago now)
RagingFuckNuggets@reddit (OP)
I'm 30 and as a teen and when I got caught smoking I heard loads of people who had this happen to.
Who_Knows_M3@reddit
Maybe says more about the people you hung with 😂
Lopsided_Snower@reddit
Found this thread thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/s/SeIpyVNCHs
Delicious-Fee-6225@reddit
My mum just punched me in the face it went well
Dry_Action1734@reddit
My MIL is 70 soon and she gets nauseous at the smell. Now could it just be that it smells bad? Yes, but it could be the awful memories of her being made to do that when she was fairly young. And she hadn’t even expressed an interest in cigarettes (as she tells it), it was preventative.
spynie55@reddit
I think this was a method from back in the days when everyone smoked. That's a clue I think.
eyesonly456@reddit
Why o why would anyone do this
Boldboy72@reddit
it wouldn't have worked on me. I think it's the stupidest idea and I smoke
AllThatIHaveDone@reddit
I don't think abusing your children is a good method of discipline, no.
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