Italy expels Muslim leader who defended marriage to 9-year-old girl.
Posted by Naderium@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 44 comments
Posted by Naderium@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 44 comments
Valokoura@reddit
I can understand why a fanatic who is at high place in religious society is kicked from country when he is pushing ideologies which are against local laws.
wq1119@reddit
Not even "understand", this is supposed to be expected.
azure_beauty@reddit
In an ideal worle this wouldn't be news at all. In the same manner that extremists should not define an entire religion, those same extremists should not be able to hide behind the excuse of religion.
He's a man advocating for child rape, he was expelled for advocating for that, and that should be the end of that.
buster_de_beer@reddit
Mohammad is famous for marrying an underage girl. I'm not sure this is truly an extremist stance wrt to Islam.
azure_beauty@reddit
Every religion has it's fair share of scriptures that reflect the outdated norms of when they were written. They important part is moving beyond those beliefs, which Islam too is capable of doing.
buster_de_beer@reddit
True, but right now, today, in this world, Mohammads marriage to a child is used to justify child marriage. It's not universally accepted as I understand, but it isn't a fringe position either.
azure_beauty@reddit
Well if it's not a fringe position, deport those who advocate for it, and you're left with the normal ones.
I live in an Italian city with a rather large Muslim community. Unfortunately members of the community have on multiple occasions sought to harm members of the Jewish community and I really wouldn't shed a tear if any of those people were kicked out (who isn't already a citizen I suppose, the worst offenders are second degree immigrants).
At the same time, the majority of the Muslims I meet are ordinary people hoping to live a normal life in safety and dignity, and do not deserve to be hated due to their religion..
Stippings@reddit
Respect for refusing to be part of the pointless circle of hatred.
azure_beauty@reddit
Not to be misunderstood as seeking some praise for not being hateful, but at times it has been extremely difficult to avoid drowning in hatred when constantly attacked on the basis of identity.
I hope one day to see every one of us, even if disagreeing politically, separating those ideas from identity-based hatred.
yeltsin98@reddit
No, it isn’t that much of a fringe position - or rather it is, child marriage is rare (depending on your threshold) in all the Arab states I’m familiar with except Yemen, but there is not nearly enough of an outcry against that fringe position. The one exception I’m familiar with is Iraq, where there were recently protests against a new law allowing child marriage. I feel this is the case with many of the most serious issues in Muslim societies: people don’t partake in heinous behaviour but they don’t go out of their way to discuss it or condemn it, much less organise social movements to outlaw it. And those social movements are needed in those states that allow child marriage.
I feel like the entire Epstein affair was quite awkward for people from my neck of the woods because their outrage wasn’t over the concepts of minors, rape or paedophilia (a word people rarely use) but over “prostitution”, human trafficking, deceit and generally low morals. The whole “these were literal children” part of the global outrage did not really have as much of a pendant here. On social media the major takeaway seemed to be “Americans doing American things” and “Rich Jews doing rich-Jew things”. That was my impression of the discourse, anyway.
Even if extreme or criminal behaviour is not representative of a society, that society should still be judged by the manner in which it deals with those activities.
thesupremeburrito123@reddit
The problem is that they still praise Mohammed as the best role model for all humans.
azure_beauty@reddit
Modernity is a powerful secularizing force, if a country puts in a real effort to de platform cultusts and extremists, you're going to be left with the majority who are Muslim simply we a fact of the culture they were born into, and not as a reflection of any extremist beliefs.
Maybe I'm biased due to my middle eastern roots, but I fine that a lot of Arab culture is incredibly beautiful, and I genuinely do believe that racists are missing out.
Ok-Goose6242@reddit
Damn, rare Israeli who is not an Islamophobe found. Hello.
azure_beauty@reddit
The people attempting to hurt Israel invoke Islam as a justification, but there are plenty of genuinely good-at-heart Muslims that coexist in Israeli society. If you go to mixed cities in Israel you will find that very few people hold genuine grudges against the other on the basis of their religion. Even if social tension exists, it is rarely centered on the religious beliefs like you may see in Europe, or the Indian subcontinent.
Of course if you go to completely Jewish or Arab cities you're going to see more hate as a result of lower intercommunity mingling, but those people also should not represent the entire country.
Sendnudec00kies@reddit
Funny thing is Aisha got younger and younger over the centuries as dick measuring contest between the sects as each one wanted their version to be more "pure."
VizzzyT@reddit
Historically she was 19. The Shia don't even believe the hadith at all, including the 9 year old one.
martxel93@reddit
Israel is famous for harbouring child rapists. Somehow people talk way more about Mohammad than Israel when discussing pedophiles 🤷♂️🤷♂️
buster_de_beer@reddit
My point here was that it isn't an extremist view in Islam. It doesn't matter what other countries do, this whole post is about a Muslim being expelled.
martxel93@reddit
Muhammad has been dead for centuries, Buster.
NNKarma@reddit
I forgot the part of Catholicism that says it's ok to attack people selling things on church grounds.
Valokoura@reddit
There is that. Again... religion is making a worse world for us.
dont_press_report@reddit
You are right just like how Jews shouldn't be lumped in with Israelis.
azure_beauty@reddit
Just like Jews shouldn't be lumped in with Jewish religious extremists, stop trying to pigeonhole Israel everywhere.
Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit
Despite the Jewish religious extremists trying constantly to equate Israel with all Jews.
azure_beauty@reddit
What in the world are you talking about
Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit
Every single person who tries to claim anti-Zionism is antisemitism is trying to equate Israel with all Jews.
azure_beauty@reddit
You can definitely be hateful to one person on the basis of their identity without the prerequisite of hating the entire population.
Even so, I do not understand what you are trying to say. What "Jewish religious extremists" are equating Israel to all Jews?
martxel93@reddit
Israel is genocidal terrorist state, stop pingeoholing modern democracies everywhere.
dont_press_report@reddit
Don't tell me what to do.
martxel93@reddit
And not just a “local law”. We’re not speaking about traffic regulations or even poligami. This is child rape.
Valokoura@reddit
I agree. I am all for 18 yrs marriage age for both, men and women. No exceptions.
40_Thousand_Hammers@reddit
Will they do this with Trump too ? You know after Italy setting an good example the US could do a very interesting and funny thing.
milton117@reddit
Trump never married a 9 year old and there's no hard evidence he engaged in anything with a child.
Guardian_of_Perineum@reddit
This guy never married a 9 year old either from the info in the article. He just is an apologist for it.
SongFeisty8759@reddit
..Except all the testiment of all those Epstein Island rape survivors, I guess.
40_Thousand_Hammers@reddit
He's literally Epstein best friends and literally fucked children.
milton117@reddit
Which part of "hard evidence" are you not understanding? Shall I put the term into a translator for you?
Ok-Goose6242@reddit
prob not gonna happen unfortunately
SongFeisty8759@reddit
We shall see, oh yee of little faith.
Ok-Goose6242@reddit
I hope I'm proven wrong
Valokoura@reddit
I'd love that.
lannisterloan@reddit
This is common sense. There's nothing to be gain from such people.
King_Kvnt@reddit
Good. Such views are reprehensible and do not belong in a civilised society. It doesn't solve the problem of radicalisation, however. It's often the second and third generation migrants that have failed to assimilate into society that become truly problematic. And unlike this guy, these second and third generation guys are generally citizens that can't be so easily dealt with.
wq1119@reddit
Good, finally some great news to hear from my second country, I spent half a decade in a long and tiresome bureaucratic process to gain Italian citizenship, and I am still practicing the Italian language and immersing myself into its history and culture, and will spend years to come doing so.
When you move to a new country, the most basic human social concept that you do in it is to obey its local laws, and do not expect that the whole country will accomodate you the way you wish, especially when you very explicitly and publicly break its laws.
Also, for all reasons that a Muslim leader was deported, this was the hill he died upon... ouch..... by this point supporting suicide bombings would be less embarassing.