i wake up today and read this.
Posted by reallycooldude456@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 591 comments
Hos possible or truth is this? why our Turkey??? đšđˇ
Joe Kent as you know is a âwhistleblowerâ he worked in some intelligence in USA, he resigned due to the iran war and didnât want any part of it now heâs claiming this and i always suspected that turkey and israel will clash in syria.
what are your thoughts?
SoftwareSource@reddit
Bro Turkey is not Iran, Turkey can fuck, look at their military numbers.
Sure, the US/Israel alliance would win, but a LOT of Americans would die in that conflict, it would be politically unpalletable.
Ineverything@reddit
Agree but Iran is a defence monster. Their mountains alone fuck the invaiders.
SoftwareSource@reddit
I did not try to imply iran is easy to invade, but rather that Turkey is much more capable in a conventional sense.
Most people dobât realize how powerfull their military is, itâs a beast.
Ineverything@reddit
Still defending Turkey is alot harder than Iran I mean if they were againist Turkey instead Iran. I doubt we could defend this long. And on top of that Iran has something noone has "Decentralised goverment" and all diffrent groups of Iran are willing the support war. Most wars depends to inner support than millitary might of the country. This is the biggest reason why I think US will lose not because military strengh but rather because of corruption in army and unwillingness of support for war from people.
arisaurusrex@reddit
The war on Iran is going like Russias â3 day march to Kievâ and I think Turkey is even on another ballpark compared to Iran.
There are some really strange things happening with the western elite and it shows more and more, that western leadership is compromised to their necks, which the Israelis are happy using that to their benefit.
One can hope, that the next generation will be more resilient and not let themselves grab by their balls by some Epstein like blackmailers.
Zestyclose_Court5946@reddit
Not one Russian official ever made the claim 3 days to take Kiev.
It was a American General that came up with it.
blodskaal@reddit
So Russia wanted to get bogged down in a war in Ukraine for 4 years?
IlerienPhoenix@reddit
Obviously not. But Russian officials indeed never made those 3 day claims that always get brought up on the Internet.
Thalassophoneus@reddit
Yeah, let's be real. Russia isn't as obsessed as America when it comes to war circlejerking.
Contrary_Kind@reddit
Let's be real. You don't know the first thing about russia's obsession with war circlejerking. Not the tiniest inkling.
Thalassophoneus@reddit
Russia has a pretty long history of telling Europe that they don't want its land. Unlike some other people.
Contrary_Kind@reddit
Also, russia has a very long history of actually occupying the european countries, lol.
Apatride@reddit
Not really. Outside of post WW2 Eastern Europe, and it was by the Soviets, the main one was from Georgia, Russia hasn't been really an expansionist country, especially if you compare to Western countries. The entire "Russia want to take over Europe" is pure propaganda.
kariam_24@reddit
How come Europe doesn't count? Is germany Easstern Europe? Going all the way to Alaska wasn't expansionist? Same deals like with Wester Colonial empires just over land, not sea, ocean.
kariam_24@reddit
Like what, WW2? Cold war? Invading Poland, Baltic States, Finland before 1941?
kariam_24@reddit
Isn't? Chechnya, Georgia, Moldovia no to mention denying genocides or that WW2 started in 1939?
Away-Dog1064@reddit
They thought they would be welcomed by cheering masses....the hubris.
NZTamoDalekoCG@reddit
Logic dictates 𤣠yes yes they did, I mean quick victory is for pussiesđ This is Russians we are talking aboutđ¤Ł
Contrary_Kind@reddit
"Not one Russian official ever made the claim 3 days to take Kiev."
Only russian "journalists" on all of state-owned TV-channels.
Apatride@reddit
Defeating Ukraine and taking Kyiv are 2 completely different things. The US approach is that, if you take the capital, you control the country. It has been proven incorrect many times. Putin would be stupid to try and take Kyiv, he could never hold it and, if he tried, it would lead to a nuclear war. Threatening Kyiv to force the Ukrainian government to negotiate, on the the other hand, make sense, and he did not just try but succeeded, in just a few weeks (until Boris Johnson convinced Kyiv to get into a long and costly war).
terra_filius@reddit
keep repeating 4 years old Russian propaganda, nobody takes you seriously
The_Thighbiter@reddit
source?
Contrary_Kind@reddit
https://x.com/ruinwanderer/status/1622142324015878144
The_Thighbiter@reddit
lol
kariam_24@reddit
What about Kremlin press agency? Was that controlled by American military?
unimaginative_name2@reddit
3 days, 7 days, 10 days, it doesn't matter, the plans was quick government replacement and they failed.
Affectionate_Front86@reddit
captured soldiers had 3 days of food and parade uniforms in their tanks, trololođŤ¨
BandicootJunior2296@reddit
Lukashenko and russian state media said it
SoyTuViejaCalla@reddit
That was part of the documents that where found in captured/deceased troops and vehicles.
RestaurantBoring417@reddit
I see the Russians are still coping on this one lmao, so it was actually their plan to be in a war for 4+ years with hundreds of thousands of casualties, NATO enlargement and a crippled economy in exchange for minor territorial gains?
Sad-Associate7282@reddit
No, they had expected it to take in a day. Stop parroting russian propaganda. They fully believed that.
https://www.newsweek.com/state-run-russian-news-site-accidentally-declares-ukraines-defeat-1683455
Content-Ad-9556@reddit
I think that this comparison is quite exaggerated. Although US did take some damage, damage done to Iran infrastructure is enormous. Also, in comparison to the US, Russia suffered/suffers significant losses, both economical and human.
Any_Worldliness7991@reddit
I mean one of them is a ground invasion while the other one is just bombing them. If USA put boots on the ground they will probably suffer alot. Maybe that as much as russia but alot.
Wind-Kwality@reddit
Probably more than Russia. Iranians even if they hate the government, they love their land and country, and they are the ones invaded, which changes a lot.
kaiser_151@reddit
The US however with it's actions has alienated many of it's allies which is never a wise move to make. Russia didn't lose any allies as a result. How significant or important Russian loses are we can only know in the future.
The biggest loss for Russia is that they lost their boogeyman status if that makes sense. For years there was this belief that Russia had a very capable military. This illusion has been shattered now something which is dangerous in itself because Russia is never as strong as it looks but also never as weak as it looks (quote attributed to Churchill).
As for the damage Iran has sustained to it's infrastructure that can always be repaired with time. The US however, very much like Russia in Ukraine, has failed it's goal which was regime change. Just because they went in and dropped a few bombs and killed a leader that's not enough to change a regime that's been around for half a century. In fact they may have made the regime stronger as before the US invasion there were plenty of protests against the regime. What are the chances people will now protest in favour of a change in government that would benefit the US which is currently bombing their country?
EmreTaptukYunus@reddit
I agree with you.
The regime was already sending a relatively moderate message to the West by electing Pezeshkian. Even though it violently suppressed protests, it had also been somewhat more flexible regarding the mandatory headscarf rules imposed on women. Probably more than half of its population is not radical religious conservatives like those within the ruling establishment. They likely understand that they cannot withstand such a political tide for very long.
However, this war may have reversed that trend. Moreover, their foolish strategy bears much of the responsibility. In Iran, regime supporters generally back the system, while in urban areas people mostly demand a more secular lifestyle. Yet the U.S. and Israel went and bombed the cities of people who are actually opposed to the regime. Now they seem to expect these anti-regime citizens to rise up for the U.S. and Israel and overthrow the government. They have left those people with no reason to do so.
reallycooldude456@reddit (OP)
russia did not however use airforce in a high capacity such as us and idf. Otherwise the war in ukraine would look different.
Russia blew out some infrastructure, but not nonstop airforce attack. itâs different wars while us use airforce russia use manpower
Contrary_Kind@reddit
I mean, Google is literally free:
"At the start of the 2022 Ukraine invasion, the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) launched extensive missile strikes and hundreds of daily sorties targeting air defenses and military infrastructure. Despite initial expectations of rapid air superiority, Russia failed to suppress Ukrainian air defenses and, by March, was forced to avoid deep, high-altitude penetration, limiting effectiveness"
Content-Ad-9556@reddit
Russia uses airforce in high capacity. Only difference is that they use it from their own territory. If they used it like IDF and the US, their whole aircraft in couple of weeks would end shut down.
unk0wn8@reddit
What are you talking about? Russia is not using airforce because they cannot, not out of the goodness of their hearts.
In order to use airforce you need to be sure, or fairly sure, that the enemy cannot shoot your plane down, it's called air supremacy. Russia never established (or quite frankly, wasn't even close to establishing) air supremacy in Ukraine.
US had air supremacy in Iran basically from the very beginning. Iran cannot shoot it down. The tactics Iran is using is closer to terrorism than to actual warfare. So you can either bomb the country into submission (extreme number of casualties, the more stupid / brainwashed / religiously driven the population, the higher number of casualties there would be) or in some cases better not even start.
Extension_Cup_3368@reddit
You're clearly misinformed about what Russia did in Ukraine.
the_sneaky_one123@reddit
Neither had to take any damage at all
Especially not all the third party countries with absolutely nothing to do with the conflict that are getting fucked up right now on fuel prices.
cuculetzuldeaur@reddit
That's because they didn't dare to put boots on the ground. If they'll eventually try it'll be a blood bath for the statesians as well
Soft_Conference9612@reddit
Israel wonât go to war with turkey next year. Itâs a decade long game. First Israel will pressure USA Europe to sanction turkey in the name of democracy, rigged elections, human rights etc. which will make Turkey much weaker than Iran coz turkey doesnât have natural resources like Iran. At the same time USA will stop selling advanced arms to turkey giving Israel an advantage over weaponry. Iran at least has its own large ballistic missiles stock which allowed them to do some damage. Turkey wonât even have that.
painkilla_35@reddit
Its not going to be a missile exchange war like it is now. Long game will only make turkey stronger since we started making our own war ships and drones and missiles. We have S400s sitting in hangars in Ankara.
Soft_Conference9612@reddit
Ground launched Missiles exchange war like Iran would be safer for turkey since itâs territory is large and can build missiles sites across the country and has air defence system to protect those sites. Turkeys airforce will struggle against Israeli airforce with advanced jets. Turkey can fund its military industry as of now. Whatâs scary is once USA, EU sanctions Turkey, its economy will take massive hit. Iran was able to sell oil under sanctions coz oil supply is necessary for some countries like china and it used the profits to fund its ballistic missiles program. I donât see anything for turkey to export under sanctions to fund its military and countries wonât take risks to trade with turkey. Turkey will be sanctioned for at least 20 years to cripple its economy before Israel makes a move. It better improve its relation with China and other non western countries as an alternative.
Wind-Kwality@reddit
I don't think EU will sanction Turkey, honestly, they're one of us, i'd rather have turkey in the EU to be honest. Turkish people are hard working people, good people, i've met so many of them in different countries, as tourists, or locals, they are reliable and hard working. Love from a romanian.
painkilla_35@reddit
People are more sympathetic to Iran over Israel. What do you think will happen when Israel again starts the aggression with Turkey?
DrawerJealous@reddit
Actually, we also have our own advantages. We won the War of Independence by using these advantages. Iran can control the Strait of Hormuz, but we control the straits. It's fair to say they are Russia's lifeline. If America gives the straits to Russia, help will come from the British bloc, just like in the Crimean War. Otherwise, Russia will help us. Besides that, Turkey has been under an unannounced embargo for a long time. For example, the Germans are not supplying engines for our own tank project. We were removed from the F-35 project, and while they supposedly allowed new F-16 purchases, nothing is actually done. Beyond that, they don't even sell equipment for our special forces. And then there's the intelligence sharing and billions of dollars worth of arms aid they provide to the PKK... Turkey is aware of all this and is preparing for it. We are serious about this.
ephesusa@reddit
On top of all these, Turkish people are extremely nationalistic. Half of the country hates the erdogan but wouldnât let west to invade/attack. Expect Afghanistan x 50
EmreTaptukYunus@reddit
100%.
I would not take part in an offensive war launched by ErdoÄan against another country, even at the cost of going to prison. But if my country were attacked, even if the army did not accept me, I would fight to the death with whatever means I had.
A country that goes to war with Turkey would have to be prepared to kill tens of millions of people (while also suffering huge losses itself). Iâm sure Israel has no problem with that; Iâm sure it would not hesitate when it comes to killing, but it also doesnât have the capacity to do so. But what about the US? Would it be prepared for that? And moreover, for a country without natural resources, from which it couldnât recover the costs of war, would it really go through all that trouble? What would it gain in the end?
Honestly, I see this claim as a conspiracy theory and find it absurd.
platypusdontlie@reddit
Yes, itâs hard to put into words how much I hate my government as a Turk but when push comes to shove I have no problem defending my country. No matter the government.
vanity-flair83@reddit
We're going to war w iran now?? Not trying to be a dick, I just really hadnt heard this news yet. I thought they'd be safe being in NATO. Can u link something orr explain a little bit?
Boring_Pay_7157@reddit
Western elites were never that different from the Balkan ones. They just drove better cars and dressed in better clothes. If anything, they were and are even more depraved.
Monterenbas@reddit
Tbf, not really, once Trump realized his war was an utter catastrophe, he had the courage to backdown, instead of escalating and devolving into a sunk cost fallacy logic, a la Putin.
Wich, credit where credit is due, never would I have thought, that his inflatuated ego would allow him to do that.
Putrid_Anybody_2947@reddit
Dog people told him day 1 this was bad idea and he has gotten over a thousand americans killed or wounded. Destroyed the american hegomonic power elevated iran to more than just a regional power all while destroying the american economy to distract from his kid fucking.
Serious question dog what does boot polish taste like
Any_Mine_6368@reddit
Turkey is on another ballpark? They get absolutely trampled worse than Venezuela.
Its military economy is based on the rest of the businesses actually being able to operate. Inflation hit 200% while the rest of the world was booming financially. Everything, EVERYTHING they design is based on western components and parts.
Iran has been fighting wars for a century and has been embargoed for fifty years. They're used to this. Turkey and its citizens are more European than they are middle easterners.
bagdf@reddit
I think it's pretty obvious israel has turkey next on the list. Whether it's gonna be in 5 years or 15 is anybodys guess. They might have to delay a bit after the shitshow they got in iran. And I'm not even sure they need to leave nato for attacking turkey either. No country in europe is going to war to defend turkey lol.
thatMrGecko@reddit
we know. so principled. much values.
Strong_Remove_2976@reddit
Yes we would. Turkey is a vital country to European security
TheGodfather742@reddit
Not really when Turkey occupies a European country?
thatMrGecko@reddit
cyprus is not europe tho
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
Lol, Cyprus is in EU mate as a Mediterranean island.
thatMrGecko@reddit
eu is not europe
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
Eu is the majority of Europe. Now cope with geography.
thatMrGecko@reddit
still not europe tho
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
only geographically
thatMrGecko@reddit
you must be mixing threads, could you please stop harassing every single comment I make
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
You keep replying mate
thatMrGecko@reddit
fun pissing you off
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
Same
thatMrGecko@reddit
so we are the same after all
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
Yep
TheGodfather742@reddit
By what metric?
thatMrGecko@reddit
by maps
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
Culturally Cyprus is European though.
thatMrGecko@reddit
"culturally" lol. geography is geography. cyrpus is middle eastern. you can cry about it.
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
Funny that EU accepted a middle eastern country. Maybe it's Japanese. I don't know. What do you think?
thatMrGecko@reddit
ask eu
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
EU accepts european countries so...
thatMrGecko@reddit
demonstably false
ParalimniX@reddit
The same maps that say Turkey is asian I assume.
thatMrGecko@reddit
can't have one without the other can we
BigOpenWorld@reddit
Made âEuropeanâ after the fact btw
TheGodfather742@reddit
What? European isn't the EU?
BigOpenWorld@reddit
If you meant Cyprus with your sentence, they made âEuropeanâ later due to its cultural heritage. On another note, before even that happened, Turkey was and is de jure European anyway for centuries. Cherry picking attitude to select who is European when is just childish, beyond being racist.
ParalimniX@reddit
Cyprus has long had European culture thousands of years before Turkic tribes even thought of migrating west.
The fucking irony of this statement. Islands are considered to be in the continent that they are closest to continental landmass. So if Turkey is "european" by default then Cyprus needs to be as well. Lol..
BigOpenWorld@reddit
Europe as the concept in your mind didnât exist thousands of years ago. At that day and age, only donkeys could be considered European.
If you go way before that, Cyprus was more in the hands of Asian Empires rather than European ones. What we are always saying and seeing here is, Cyprus is considered European when all the odds are against it except one (heritage) and Turkey is not considered European when all the cards are in itâs hands. So?
ParalimniX@reddit
When was the term "europe" coined? By whom? When did those same people Hellenize Cyprus by building colonies etc?
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
Turkish is European only in the European part and it's definitely not european culturally. Capito?
TheGodfather742@reddit
Cyprus was always European? I have never seen someone imply Cyprus as not European, except geologically
BigOpenWorld@reddit
Bingo!
Whole_Obligation_776@reddit
Then you would mean Turkish Thrace too, lol. Did Azerbaijan occupied a part of europe when it reliberated its former occupied territories in Nagarbo karabagh, or did that land automaticly leave the continent because the geographical division seems quite arbitrary in caucasia to me.
NGluck123@reddit
EU has territory in south america
Strong_Remove_2976@reddit
Then you can sit it out
As a Brit I donât support Turkeyâs policy in Cyprus but Turkey is a NATO ally and fundamental pillar of European security. If they are attacked by a non-NATO member then weâre in to support
TheGodfather742@reddit
A pillar of NATO security. A detriment to European security. They are not the same yet.
thatMrGecko@reddit
buying into your government's propaganda, are we?
TheGodfather742@reddit
And what's that?
thatMrGecko@reddit
something like "turks are coming for you so we should buy guns from israel"
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
So Turks won't come one night? đ
thatMrGecko@reddit
not if I can help it
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
Then I can buy my government's narrative.
thatMrGecko@reddit
thank you for keeping erdo in power komĹu
TheGodfather742@reddit
What's that got to do with this discussion? Of the geopolitical situation of Cyprus?
thatMrGecko@reddit
cyprus is not europe tho
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
well, obviously.
we didn't even send soldiers to Afghanistan, Iraq, & Yugoslavia, u think we're going to what, go to war w/ one of our most important allies over Turkey? lmao.
(but in reality England, also, won't do shit - no European country is going to war against Israel).
thatMrGecko@reddit
wow, a voice of reason? on reddit?
Temporary_County1838@reddit
Here the Greek who would attack Turkey.
You probably talking About Cyprus.
Here you go
TheGodfather742@reddit
Temporary_County1838@reddit
There is no occupation. There has been a new coutry for more then 60 years. There is no paradox Greeks had tried an ethnic cleansing. TĂźrkey intervened to stop it. Turkey can't take back its soldiers when south Cyprus still chanting Enosis and Eoka was hero. If Greeks had accepted UN plan the Annan plan there could be one country but now no there is not one country.
TheGodfather742@reddit
Country that literally only Turkey recongnizes worldwide. Dude just compare your actions to the Israelis you love so much to babble about. If you aren't occupying Cyprus, they aren't occupying Gaza either. Don't be ridiculous, see reality.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
Why do you try to being Gaza here? Is it some kind of code between you and your masters?
TheGodfather742@reddit
Have you finished school? Was I talking to a kid? I made an example? I compared the occupations?
Temporary_County1838@reddit
As i said North Cyprus is a country. There is no occupation.
Greeks had made a coup in island tried ethnic cleansing. TĂźrkey intervened as guarantor country saved Turks in the island. Years passed. We accepted UN plan to solve the issue but Gereks didn't.
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
There is no north Cyprus. There is only country joined in EU and the northern part is occupied. Military junta of the 70s doesn't represent the Greeks today. Greece is also a guarantor for Cyprus as it always was. Go cope elsewhere Turk.
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
No occupation 𤥠Let's not start talking about ethnical cleansing in 2026 please. Turkey has ousted the rum/greek speaking minonity in Imbros Tenedos and Constantinople. Northern pseudostate is almost not recognised by anyone.
Mean_Intention_3895@reddit
Youâre like a broken record paraphrasing the same 3 responses about turkey give us a fucking break malakaÂ
thatMrGecko@reddit
whether we like it or not (I don't), turkey is the plug that keeps the shit from flowing into europe. if they're smart, they'll show up.
if they wanna keep licking israel's butt however, they won't. though that's not gonna make much of a difference seeing as europe is barely armed to scratch it's butt.
SoftwareSource@reddit
US eats Israel's ass, Europe does not anymore.
chickensoldier_bftd@reddit
Thats why british police were arresting pensioners holding up papers right? Or berlin police were assaulting children for wearing a cloth? I was in Amsterdam a few days ago and a few people had a stand for Palestine, and there were as many police cars as there were Palestinian flags there.
Israel is a western colony, we are just a refugee camp and an army base for the west. If israel wanted something from us, the west will side with them no matter what.
SoftwareSource@reddit
A few years ago, you would be right.
But Israel crossed every line in the eyes of many Europeans, i see it every day, people are turning against them very very fast. We see the videos of the shit happening there on every news channel.
We are not monsters, seeing children and civilians get hurt resonates here a lot.
chickensoldier_bftd@reddit
Right, I know about that. I know that even in the west, most people do not like israel. But, that would only have an effect if you lived under real democracies, which you do not.
As long as your capitalist class is tied up with israel, even your most staunch antizionist leaders at most will just stop supporting israel but will let them do whatever they want. And thats all they need.
There will be massive media campaigns smearing mud all over Turkey for a few years, false flag attacks in the west by "muslims" with extensive media coverage. Then after a few years, israel will openly attack Turkey and westerners will be told that there is nothing they can do and to just pray for us while they watch our cities get bombed.
SoftwareSource@reddit
Bro, who the fuck lives in a real democracy if not Europeans? Turkey? Russia? China? US?
It's as good as it gets here from the democracy perspective, don't exaggerate.
Ultramarinus@reddit
Letâs be honest, Turkey is like a month of mainstream campaign media away from being labelled the next Iran. We all remember how Europe ate up Putinâs propaganda after the jet shootdown, I still see people serving that up 10 years later on Reddit. When itâs Mossad and CIA preparing MSM, Europeans will believe Turkey is making nukes to use against them or whatever BS they cook up. Even today I turn on European news channels and the only reason any discontent is voiced is because Trump bungled what W Bush managed to do back in 2003. Someone like Vance would prepare like that.
Separate_Link_846@reddit
Lmao if the shoe fits
chickensoldier_bftd@reddit
If democracy is putting a paper inside a box every few years then most people live in a democracy. If democracy means people decide what the government is gonna do, then why do you need so many protests to get what you want?
thatMrGecko@reddit
gotta see it before I believe it, sorry
SirIronSights@reddit
That's kind of the point. If anyone comes to anyone else's defense within NATO is not a utter certainty.
Majestic_Potato_5408@reddit
That's not how it would be seen in the Nordics and the Baltics. If they do not help any other NATO country, with DEFENSE, then they cannot expect anyone else to show up if Russia attacks them.
If the war is outaide Turkish borders though...
thatMrGecko@reddit
that's difficult to tell with these air-first wars. where exactly is thr us-iran war?
Majestic_Potato_5408@reddit
True, not in US anyway. But strikes inside Iran is definitely not a defensive maneuver.
MelodicPop3004@reddit
There is a country called Germany or something that loves Israel's ass. Chancellor loves the rimming. Apologist suckers, lmao
Little-Cap-3225@reddit
TurquĂa es un paĂs Europeo y mediterrĂĄneo. Es un estado aliado y vecino. Las diferencias se arreglan en la diplomacia y la polĂtica. Cualquier paĂs Europeo defenderĂĄ TurquĂa, con gusto, aunque pensemos que ErdoÄan es un miserable. El pueblo turco no tiene culpa de ĂŠl.
thatMrGecko@reddit
english pls
Monterenbas@reddit
Depends whoâs ruling Turkey, if itâs Erdoganor other islamists adjacent? Few chance for that.
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
You mean vital to their economy when they buy weapons from Europe.
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
What? They constantly threaten Greece.
adrutu@reddit
Go have a look at a map. You'll figure it out
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
????
MelodicPop3004@reddit
Good. Greece ministers constantly talking about taking Istanbul back. There is nothing wrong saying we can fuck up Athens whenever we want. Ofc we will threaten the neighbor that keep sucking Israel's dick, lol
delwans@reddit
We wouldn't EVER fight against Israel. If those Zionists bombed Spain or, O don't know, France, we would do absolutely nothing but shout how bad it is.
Mad_Kronos@reddit
You are occupying 40% of a European country
thatMrGecko@reddit
cyprus is not europe silly
Mad_Kronos@reddit
It is though
thatMrGecko@reddit
nuh uh
Mad_Kronos@reddit
Yeah, this is exactly why you will never see (sane) europeans defend you
thatMrGecko@reddit
what, you're troubled by the fact that I'm great at returning your energy?
Mad_Kronos@reddit
You resort to energy because you have no arguments. That's enough for me. Bye
thatMrGecko@reddit
the argument is maps. take a look at a map.
DassakliPeynir@reddit
Yeah and europeans are occupying middle east with israel.
SoftwareSource@reddit
Not gonna lie, in 2026, i would rather Europe be on your side in that hypothetical.
Plus, your army is no lightweight, if we decide to support you, i doubt they would even attack.
bagdf@reddit
The key point being "in 2026". This war won't start tomorrow, there will be a lot of time to lay ground work. A lot of media narrative will be pushed beforehand. Plus, I'm assuming it would likely start in the cyprus front, where europeans will be forced to side with israel. The public opinion will be much different when the stage is ready for this to go down.
Silly_Mustache@reddit
I think people vastly underestimate the power of media to shape opinions and like to pretend they're "free thinkers" and that they're immune to propaganda, but just by repeating 4-5 phrases over and over again the media forces people to debate about a subject.
The media doesn't tell you what to believe or what to support, it tells you what to talk about, thus controlling your political conversations, and by controlling the conversation it can slightly influence you towards a direction where you're either passive about something, or bombarded with so many "talking points" that you essentially become confused about the topic itself.
If they want to push people towards an anti-turkish stance, all they have to do is start throwing buzzwords like "erdogan regime" "failing democracy" "achilles heel of european security" and people will start asking questions and doing some research (primarily online these days), which will inevitably lead to people realizing that Erdogan is a piece of shit cause they will see scandals & turkish people online talking shit about him, and that he's rigging elections, and thus people will become neutral cause "well I don't support invading turkey, but Erdogan is a dictator..." and this is how you manufacture consent to invade another country.
Tried recipe over and over again, with Iraq (Saddam was a USA ally before the Gulf war and was presented very positively in US media before 1980, can you imagine that?), Syria, Libya, Iran etc.
If you're a muslim nation you're not safe from USA using you as a scapegoat for war.
EmreTaptukYunus@reddit
I completely agree with this.
In the early period of ErdoÄanâs rule, he was the golden child of both Europe and the United States. When he had just founded his party and had not even come to power yet, he was reportedly protected by the CIA during his trips to Washington.
Immediately after coming to power, rumors of Turkey becoming a full member of the EU became very strong. Turkey won Eurovision (and no one should tell me it is not a political contest). The following contest held in Istanbul was also won by Ruslana, who was an important figure in the Orange Revolution. Incidentally, I was also a fan of her in that contest.
During this period, the CIA was presenting ErdoÄan as a model across the Middle East during the preparation phase of the Arab Spring, saying: âLook, you can be both Muslim and democratic.â
While all this was happening, ErdoÄan, in cooperation with certain religious sects, was conducting fabricated trials, using fake documents and witnesses to purge Kemalists from the military and bureaucracy. Even then, like today, he was not a good person, but the story told to European audiences was that he was a âliberal and democratic golden boy.â
From then until now, ErdoÄan himself has not changed much, but the narrative about him has changed 180 degrees.
k0pr1va@reddit
I mean big old Slobo was a "beacon of stability" in the Balkans until the media decided he wasn't anymore. Then USAID funded a revolution to get him out. Doesn't cancel the fact that he was corrupt, bloodthirsty and retarded
bagdf@reddit
Absolutely my point. People think now about israel attacking turkey for no reason and it sounds outrageous, but by the time they're ready the public opinion in the west will be changed.
Silly_Mustache@reddit
If we're being fair, after Israel's last 2 "excursions" (genocides) where their brutality was on full display for the whole world to see (palestine & lebanon) and there weren't media blanket bans, people have turned sour towards Israel, which is the reason the Iran war in USA (yknow, the bloodthirsty nation where people feel they need to liberate the world) is vastly unpopular, although they still haven't done shit about it.
I don't think that recipe will work for that much longer, which is the reason USA invaded now and not say, in 10 years. They know in 10 years people will be even less receptive of Israel & middle east wars. Which is why I think if USA/Israel decide to invade Turkey, it will happen much sooner than later. USA's geopolitical influence is also falling rn, you can't really cause mess without geopolitical power.
Turkey however is probably at the same level of military capability as Iran (maybe higher? given their recent past with Syria/Kurds), and knows US secrets (cause they have NATO bases), so they will be much harder to deal with. The only "positive" thing for USA/Israel is that they will be able to deploy on allied countries much more easily (Syria/Greece), which means they will drag those countries to war as well.
Here's to hoping this shit doesn't happen, but USA has dropped off the liberalism mask and behind it lies fascism & imperialism (as it always had), so I'm fairly certain the next few years will be very violent.
Ultramarinus@reddit
People donât care because USA solved the war discontent after Vietnam. No draft, contract soldiers and print money instead of raising taxes because dollar inflation can be absorbed by rest of the world.
The result is that they fought longest US war in Afghanistan and nobody cared. Venezuela operation and they talked ICE. Iran War and they talked airport queues. It could be WW3 tomorrow and they wouldnât care as long as the safety bubble and financial isolation from consequences continued.
Silly_Mustache@reddit
While I agree on some level, I have to say that the dollar's hegemony (petrodollar) rests upon control of the gulf states, and after this war, many gulf states have started re-examining that relationship. If Yuan replaces the petrodollar even to some extend (not fully), they won't be able to just print money and make the entire world absorb the inflation. In fact they already can't do that cause most states are selling US bonds currently, which increases their borrowing costs.
Things are not going well for USA, let us have that in mind.
Ultramarinus@reddit
I wish that would be true but they donât really have any other sponsor to switch to. Russian power projection is gone and China will stay dormant at least till theyâre done securing the first island chain in the Pacific. Iâm fairly certain that if Trump keeled away tomorrow and Vance replaced him, everyone would sigh and back to business with NATO and petrodollar. Everyone is too deep inside their comfort zones with the ârules-based international orderâ a la American vassalage to give it up. It only took Trump years of active work including wars to even question it. Next president will tone it down and I can already see the magazines with âAmerica is backâ.
Didnât we get that exact same cover when Biden came?
Novel-Wait328@reddit
forced to side with israel?are u still living in 1950s?eu doesent like what israel is doing,its pretty evident at this point
Kreol1q1q@reddit
Well, were Turkey not busy threatening to invade Greece every other year, might find itself with more allies in EuropeâŚ.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
Show any threat please.
SE_prof@reddit
Hellenic-airspace.pdf https://share.google/mviQIJsU4CdagB5Em
Turkey Violates Greek Airspace, Infringes Athens FIR - tovima.com https://share.google/e5djbgLhMAbYnEAQE
Greece records 106 airspace violations by Turkish drones and aircraft since August | eKathimerini.com https://share.google/p3Vg0Qern116cl8gU
Enough-Meaning1514@reddit
You can't have a 10 nautical mile airspace when you have an island 3 miles off the cost of another country, can you? To make that work, the distance should be 20 miles at least, 10 miles from Greek island and 10 miles from Turkey. That whole situation is a mess and both parties claim the other one is violating their airspace.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
How dare you offer logic to a Greek when he cries about Turkey?
SE_prof@reddit
There's logic but you can't see it through denial.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
Please tell us how can a tiny island of meis has a bigger airspace than Turkey and why we have to accept an aggrement that we didn't sign?
SE_prof@reddit
Is Euboea a tiny island? Is Volos an island? Ok screw the size of the island. Why do you send fighting aircraft if you're not threatening Greece. The United Kingdom and France may have disputes over the Channel. Do you see them having dogfights everyday? Only Turkey!
Temporary_County1838@reddit
We are not sending any aircraft to your airspace as o said we don't accept that its your airspace.
SE_prof@reddit
Not even Athens? Is it international?
Temporary_County1838@reddit
We both know where we talk about. You have no sensible argument so you try to joke about it.
SE_prof@reddit
Turkish aircraft are getting as close as Attica. If you think this is a joke you must be very funny
Temporary_County1838@reddit
I have never Heard about it. Why would we send and aircraft to Attike? Its standard lie of warmongering media.
SE_prof@reddit
My dude I have friends working on the airbase at Volos. He is on the technical staff and every day they have at least two aircrafts ready to go. It doesn't get any closer than that. Unless you think the planes take off and they lie where they go to. That I can accept as possibility...
Temporary_County1838@reddit
Trust me bro i have "friends".
SE_prof@reddit
If you don't want to believe it that's your problem.
Enough-Meaning1514@reddit
I think Turkish Airlines flights to Athens, if that's what you mean. But if you are saying that Turkish UAVs are going as far as Athens, I think everyone needs to hear from a neutral party that this claim is true.
SE_prof@reddit
The aircrafts reach up till Euboea and Volos.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
We didn't accept your airspacewe didn't sign that aggrement. Show any Real threat
SE_prof@reddit
I don't accept banks. Next time I'll walk into one I'll rob it.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
I made an aggrement with aliens your left foot is mine now accept it and stop using it.
SE_prof@reddit
I accept it. Come and take it.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
No i prefer the greek way i will not do anything but cry about it.
defnotachicken@reddit
I count your house as my property, please evacuate in this instance if not I will sue you
SE_prof@reddit
You have already taken my father's house once. I'd say that's enough
YamReasonable6974@reddit
Violations of what?
Making up rules telling countries they are breaking them doesn't equal violations. Not how international laws work.
SE_prof@reddit
The FIR of Athens.
Dunkelhaft@reddit
Really iq low ha𤣠this is being back and forth since 50 years
Volaer@reddit
https://youtube.com/shorts/3gYmsC11NAo?is=xOJ8IOJLhwLo-e6N
Alive_Comparison_190@reddit
he is the turkish equivalent of trump. after a while you come to see the pattern behind what he says. which is a gigantic amount of dog shit.
SoftwareSource@reddit
This.
Don't listen to crazy fucks. we all have plenty of those.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
He literally says that stop threating us otherwise we will respond. There is no threat.
We are also watching Greeks in Cyprus chanting Enosis or Eoka is hero.
thatMrGecko@reddit
you mean greece that is in the process of selling its soul to israel? that one?
Separate_Link_846@reddit
Well killing Kurds and using immigrants as leverage might have done a number on your image.
Wild_Island_8589@reddit
You mean the terrorist groups supported by US that killed over 15000 turks?
Separate_Link_846@reddit
If saying that keeps you out of jail, I respect it. Thankfully, the western world disagrees
Wild_Island_8589@reddit
"Thankfully" and all you know from the "western world" is the propaganda they feed you people. The Kurd people in the eastern part of Turkey getting their children kidnapped by PKK to fight as a "freedom figther" is a normal thing for us. As a person who lived in "THE" kurdish region(As a part kurd) only people who support PKK are those that want to get their "Kurdistan" and don't give two shits about turks who get killed. Meanwhile Kurds who actually live in Turkey fucking hate PKK for making people hate kurds
Separate_Link_846@reddit
Bro I know thereâs two sides to every story, we all do. General rule of thumb for public perception is genocide is bad, and when you commit it you need to be a very specific nation to get away with it. You are not. Turkey has no allies in the west.
Wild_Island_8589@reddit
Everyone in Turkey knows they have no allies in the West lmao. West was very happy when Coup was happenning and they even said "This is the last chance of Turkish people". Turkey doesn't expect any "help" from their "allies" who wouldn't even gave them the fighter jets they paid for
General rule of thumb is actually west will always make sure the propaganda they feed their people will make them hate those they want them to hate and make people not see what they don't want to see. Most people didn't even know about the innocent people dying everyday in paletine until Hamas happened.
And from the way you talk, you obviously know the "two side of the story" while being blinded by the propaganda. There is no Kurd who support PKK and don't want Kurdistan to happen in the exchange of lives of people in that region. And the group supported by the US for over 20 years to mess with other countries in the middle east would obviously look like "The Freedom Fighters" to people who were dogs of US and hated Turkey on it's own
Separate_Link_846@reddit
Lmao those who disagree with me are blinded by propaganda!!111!!! The irony in your own replies..Youâre almost there đ¤Ł
Boot up Duolingo and start learning Yiddish!
Wild_Island_8589@reddit
I literally live in the place you are arguing about lmao. You are speaking with the information you get from the media your country wants you to see while I get my answers by literally living with my own people.
Kurds that live in Turkey fucking hate PKK because they "know" they are a terrorist group that kidnap children to make more "freedom fighters". The very fact US has been supporting them should make it clear that they only exist to create inconvenience in middle east and mess with countries there
But sure, keep knowing about "Both sides" lmao
Separate_Link_846@reddit
Bro is defending genocide. Good luck when it comes for you.
What about the Armenian genocide? Or the Greeks that lived in the coast? Probably western propaganda! They were all terrorists
God you can almost taste the irony in your mouth but you are conditioned too much I am afraid
Wild_Island_8589@reddit
I never said anything about the Armenian genocide as no matter the reasons, it was literally a genocide. "Greeks living in the coast" you are talking about was a forced deportation that was used by both Greece and Turkey which both countries commited atrocities. Let me guess, "the sweet greeks couldn't have possibly done something like that!" Are you going to say something like that as well lmao
But the very fact you don't know about that and only mentioned the fact that "Turks killed greeks" shows that your head is filled with propaganda lmao.
And I literally said I personally talked with my own people to get my answers while you are getting yours from the media your country lets you see. And the fact that people that live here hate PKK and your country saying "Kurds in Turkey belive in PKK" or whatever is quite literally the "definition" of propaganda lmao.
But sure, West would never EVER do something like propaganda lmao
thatMrGecko@reddit
tell me about it
CressCheap@reddit
When thereâs a big fat neighbor threatening you, you take any assistance you can get
thatMrGecko@reddit
you don't have to tell me, we have a dozen fat neighbors threatening us
VisibleReport5008@reddit
The EU itself is cant act together though. Not talking about ukraine war where there is a common enemy, but at the mediterranean itself turkey and italy nice realarionships over arms trade and civil war in libya, where france uses greece to put pressure on turkey for example since their defeat in libya.
Not saying that italy would fight for turkey, but in terms of war with greece turkey has leverage and EU would try to stop the war instead of joining.
SoftwareSource@reddit
Things are changing, we have to get more centralized.
You don't really need European boots on the ground, you have a huge army, all you need is France or UK stationing nukes within range to deter attackers.
We could do that if the US keeps being crazy.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
I agree. But that would mean compromise and smailler pieces from whatever pie there is. No one seems to be ready for that
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
We are talking about 1 statement. From like 5 years ago. Granted it was far from alright and I still disagree with it, but both sides were provoking each other. That doesnt warrant a "Turkey is threatening to invade Greece every other year". There is 0% chance a war will break out.
If Turkey is deploying units, especially to demilitarized areas, we can talk. Until then this is a disingenous take with the aim to fear monger.
arkadios_@reddit
Just because you want to rebuild your ottoman empire doesn't mean, Germany and Austria Hungary will be there to help
Dunkelhaft@reddit
I was in the german army and believe me germany cant even defend 1 city when it comes to anything
thatMrGecko@reddit
should've thought of that before propping up erdo for years, friend.
romananger94@reddit
Hasbara bot detected
arkadios_@reddit
I don't even know what that is, get meds
romananger94@reddit
You exactly now what it is.
arkadios_@reddit
Again, get meds
Volaer@reddit
? Turkey is not in the EU so we would not be violating any principles particularly if Turkey ended up being the aggressor.
mikey_tr3@reddit
Nato??? Every Nato member has to protect one another in case of an outsider aggression.
mrgleman@reddit
Each country must assist, but they decide how. This could include military force, but also logistical, financial, or political support.
NATO defense article is very flexible and doesnât force members to go to war to defend another member, for example if a country X and Y donât want to help Turkey , all they can do is send some old equipment as support , make a public statement â we support the people of Turkey , the war must end bla bla bla â and do nothing else
Volaer@reddit
Yes, you are right, I think I misread the other users comment. I thought he meant European ideological principles. My bad.
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
its not about EU but NATO and their rules, attack on any NATO country is like you attack all of them i think article 4. Your hate greek hate towards turkey is astonishing
vlaada7@reddit
Itâs about NATO, not EU. Learn to read.
chbb@reddit
Israel is not in NATO, they can attack any time đ
bagdf@reddit
Yeah, I meant the US doesn't need to leave. They can (and will) just say shit like "turkey is a dictatorship, turkey is killing the -insert ethnicity here-, turkey has weapons" or whatever they need to say, repeat on cnn enough times and nobody in nato is gonna do shit.
Thialaz@reddit
Issue is still that Turkey is a member pĂĽ NATO. A PROPER attack on Turkey will very likely make then invoke article 5.
And if no NATO country wants to help, that will literally make NATO crumble from within, and show everyone how useless it is.
On top of that, there are a LOT of Turkish people who live in the EU. I don't think you understand how much pressure there would be on politicians if they refuse to do what their country is obligated to do. People will very quickly vote for someone who WILL help Turkey
chickensoldier_bftd@reddit
Thialaz@reddit
Well, for one. Putins wet dream comes to fruition. NATO weakens significantly, and it will likely ruin the relationship between the EU countries and US even further.
The rest of NATO will still have to help. Because if they chose not to as well, then it shatters the entirety and purpose of NATO.
Lots of Turkish people will still protest and it will have repercussions in the EU.
it's going to be a huge shitshow.
Admarn@reddit
âI donât think you understand how much pressure there would beâ
how could you infer this? haha he just stated what the US would say on tv.
bagdf@reddit
When has the turkish diaspora ever put any kind of meaningful pressure on european politicians lol.
Dunkelhaft@reddit
There is no real Turkish Diaspora as we all have different political views and not everyone is aligned on the same domestic politics or religion. But when it comes to national love. Believe me Germany would burn from the inside.
bagdf@reddit
I don't believe you, sorry.
Thialaz@reddit
Then don't. But if you've met a lot of Turkish people and knew then we'll, you'd know what he said is true.
Their political views might differ. But a lot of them love their country. Especially the middle aged and older ones.
Maybe younger generation would feel less national love, but many of them would still protest as well.
Lastly, Turkey won't just sit back and take it either. They will definitely hit back and i think hit much harder than what anyone else has done
Dunkelhaft@reddit
Nothing to be sorry flair up
Thialaz@reddit
People are selfish. So while I hear about a lot of Turkish people siding with Palestine, I think the majority will first mobilise once Turkey itself is being attacked and they have a personal stake in thia whole thing.
HostileTakeover26@reddit
USA already looks quite bad in front of NATO/UN/Europe with what they did in Iran, so unlikely to do something that stupid. Why accept Turkey in NATO if it's a dictatorship? Also Turkey has 520 parliament members, so it still shares democratic values.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Pretty sure plenty would offer support one way or the other. Foremost Spain. They have some balls left, unlike other cucked euro nations.
bagdf@reddit
They will at best publish a strongly worded statement.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
The ones that are cucked? Yes. Spain? No.
BadBasik@reddit
Oh cmon, when has Spain last used anything but strongly worded letters? They wouldn't join Germany in WW2, even though they supported it...
Things might be changing though, kicking out the US and pledging 1 billion dollars of support to Ukraine a month ago might be showing a shift, but I will believe it when I see it.
TrygerWTF@reddit
No way you are comparing current Spain to the Spain of almost a century ago, which had just gone through a civil war. "I will believe it when I see" in the context of what could become a WW3 is a cracy comment
BadBasik@reddit
Spain a century ago was the same all the way to 1975, so...
As for WW3, I am totally unsure who would be on what side this time, I can't imagine Germany fighting Israel because of Turkey, they somehow always end up on the reicht side of historyđ¤Ś
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
When was the last time NATO had to defend one of its member state?
Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perejil_Island_crisis
BadBasik@reddit
Moroccans attacked and surrendered right away, I think they were trying to defect to Spain. Good work on sending them back!
sigisss@reddit
Spain has some cards to play. 2 biggest are naval station Rota and MorĂłn air base. Both are critical to US to stage any military actions in middle east or China. They know it and US knows it. And there is no other place in the EU that could replace those bases without building something new, which would take years and billions to complete.
Darknemo20000@reddit
One thing we neet to take into account is mood shift. Are you sure that once baby boomers die off the next US leadership will be that staunch supporter of Israel? After Israel stuff in Palestine and Lebannon more and more Erope nations speak out against Israel and Israel support is pretty low with young americans. In 15 years a lot can change politically.
bagdf@reddit
With the amount of media zionists own in the us I think they may become even more pro israel in the future.
Ashenveiled@reddit
what did israel specifically do to turkey in last 40 years?
One-Salamander-1952@reddit
Nothing, itâs literally Erdogan pulling public opinion against Israel manufacturing consent through lies.
EpicStan123@reddit
>No country in europe is going to war to defend turkey lol.
Tbf in the case of Bulgaria even if we wanted to help what can we do lmao. Our military is such a joke man.
Zestyclose-Carry-171@reddit
Probably not war no But sanction, embargo, diplomatic and economic support of Turkey is very possible
bagdf@reddit
If europe sanctions or embargos anyone it will be turkey lol
soxiwah641@reddit
They will though. Else trust in NATO will be eroded and there is no point to the alliance.
bagdf@reddit
Uhh, yes? Have you not seen donny threaten denmark? Nato is dead.
Little-Cap-3225@reddit
La otan no estĂĄ muerta, trump intenta cargarsela pero luego se queja de que no tiene apoyos. La infantilidad del actual presidente americano roza lo fantĂĄstico. Es el mayor enemigo de occidente. La OTAN tiene una responsabilidad y actĂşa en defensa de sus miembros. Israel no es un estado miembro por lo tanto que le ataquen nada influye en las actuaciones de la OTAN.
BadBasik@reddit
If the USA pulls out of NATO, that would make it even more crucial to defend its remaining members, ESPECIALLY someone like Turkey. With a huge army and a good relationship to Russia, no one would want them to flip, that would really mess up the whole of Europe.
soxiwah641@reddit
Nato is not dead because of the words of one lunatic
bagdf@reddit
That's true, it was dead long before.
defnotachicken@reddit
And Russia won't let the chance of getting Turkey on its side if that happens. Even with ErdoÄan Turkey is still a big player.
HostileTakeover26@reddit
Lmao. NATO is obliged to defend Turkey if it's attacked unprovoked.
bagdf@reddit
Who cares about obligations, who exactly is gonna hold them accountable lol. Do you honestly think if murica and israel attack turkey, countries like germany or greece will side with turkey? Get a grip.
Bozy2880@reddit
They would have to, imagine they leave turkey alone and force them to make a mutual defense agreement with russia. That will be a big strategic hit resulting in losing the eastern flank of NATO.
SnooMuffins4587@reddit
They cant even stop Iran and they think that they can beat Turkey. Boy you're in for a run I gotta tell ya
Otherwise-Strain8148@reddit
I dont think israel has the soft power to generate enough international support to attack turkey. Without that support, attack to a g20 power would let things out of control
StPauliPirate@reddit
Erdogan is the biggest Trump ass kisser. I donât see him clashing with Israel anytime soon. Before every election he will do Anti-Israel propaganda to please the islamist crowd. Thats it.
Erdogan knows, without USA & EU he is fucked. The Kemalists would take over.
Super_Sherbet_268@reddit
I thought the opposition was pro palestinian as well
K-Hunter-@reddit
The opposition is pro-palestine. ErdoÄan isnât.
Otherwise-Strain8148@reddit
Erdo is pro hamas
Super_Sherbet_268@reddit
ah what I mean erdogan is but he like every other politician just makes actionless statements
EmreTaptukYunus@reddit
I remember a 2018 article in the Haaretz newspaper. The election was unfolding between ErdoÄan and İnce.
There had been tensions between the two countries in 2010 due to the Mavi Marmara incident. ErdoÄan had initially encouraged the activists on that ship and praised them. After the incident, he backtracked and said, âDid they ask me when they set out?â (An idiom meaning "it doesn't concern me")
İnce, on the other hand, pointed to this attitude of ErdoÄan and promised during his election campaign: âBecause of this incident, I will cut all commercial relations with Israel.â
Haaretz noted this difference and observed: âErdoÄan, as someone who only talks but does not act, is the best option for Israel.â
K-Hunter-@reddit
ErdoÄan makes more than actionless statements. He keeps Israel as a trade partner.
Super_Sherbet_268@reddit
he also allows Azerbaijan to export oil and gas to Israel by pipeline that goes through turkeye to ceyhan port in turkeye to israel. If he had even threatened to stop that oil that feeds the israeli economy, warships and war machine that gaza genocide and wars would have ended long ago.
Azerbaijan is a major energy supplier to Israel, providing approximately 40% to over 60% of its crude oil needs. Most of this oil is transported via the BakuâTbilisiâCeyhan (BTC) pipeline to Turkeyâs Ceyhan port before being shipped to Israel, making it a critical, strategic energy partner.Â
StPauliPirate@reddit
They are. But not in a strong ideological way. If the chips are down, they wonât give a fuck about arabs.
Super_Sherbet_268@reddit
yeah
Ras-Al-Dyn@reddit
as if you need to be an 'islamist' to do anti-apartheid regime 'propaganda'
you are one dumb ass mfer. Hope the average turk use his brain more than that
StPauliPirate@reddit
Oh shut up. We all know Islamists want to recapture Jerusalem. Palestinians are just a tool for them. Thats why they are against Israel and so obsessed with the whole conflict. Not one of them gives a single fuck about turkic people opressed by China or any other region
dunhere8@reddit
Haha bro thinks there is kemalist party in Turkey lol
Razor_EDG@reddit
which kemalists? ones that are saying çingens needs to have seat at the parliament
NZTamoDalekoCG@reddit
We are nearing a disaster I mean humans are always nearing a disaster except now we have nukes and God knows what other nightmares we can dream up with modern technology.
I think the word is Israel has gone mental and they are gonna drag the US down with it, as their politicians are bought by Jewish billionaires and there is a lot of them in the US.
War is just muder I dont care how people package it and murder needs to be illegal.
We are still barbarians with but now with modern technology.
We talk about all sorts of social issues, humanity has made slavery illegal. But somehow just somehow people still think war is still an acceptable human activity.
Its just murder people.
Kikelt@reddit
He put Israel and Turkey on the same alliance xDDDD
To strike Syria!! (a Turkish puppet) xDD LOL
oocalan@reddit
âClashâ means to fight each other
nikiarch@reddit
you don't fight with Turkey, not that you shouldn't but you don't, they will give hell to anyone, america is too young of country to understand that, the ottomans were one of the most brutal forces ever known
NBApundit@reddit
If the USA leaves NATO, they will have to move 100 or so nuclear weapons that they have stored in Europe and the Middle East. The leaving NATO stuff sounds like posturing.
Ninevolts@reddit
Nah, he thinks Turkey and Israel would go at each other like Turkey and Russia did in Syria. Not possible, turkey's plans in Syria will most likely align. I seriously doubt Erdogan did anything in Syria without checking in with the allies first, that includes Israel.
It's hard to predict what's Erdogan's next move in Syria, army basically makes decisions itself. He hasn't even decided yet if Sharaa is an ally or not. Most likely because he no longer cares. He's just an old man who has his speeches written for him. His potential successors don't care either, all of them are domestically focused.
EmreTaptukYunus@reddit
The fall of Assad (independent of him being a brutal dictator) was a major event that opened the way for Israel by cutting the connection between Iran and Hezbollah.
In Syria, the YPG, which is linked to the PKK, was the biggest threat to Turkeyâs security (they even carried out suicide attacks in major cities). However, while ErdoÄan was welcoming SDF leader Salih Muslim in Ankara with red carpets, he only expressed hostility toward Assad.
I am not saying Assad was a good man; he was a blood-stained dictator. But for ErdoÄan, who is supposedly hostile(!) to Israel, the most pragmatic solution was not to overthrow Assad.
The reason Iran can now be attacked is that Hezbollah is no longer as strong a threat as it used to be. I predict that soon southern Lebanon will also be occupied like the Golan Heights, and ErdoÄan has, in his own way, a share in this outcome.
GokTengr-i@reddit
If Israel tries to invade Syria Turkey will have no choice but to clash with Israel because Turkey would be the next
Ninevolts@reddit
Why would Turkey have to "clash"? That's high school politics. Syria is not Turkey's property and Syrian government currently sides with Turkey. If Sharaa says no combat with Israel, that's what's gonna happen. Sharaa is pro western leader and wants to get closer with Trump.
And why would Israel would attack Turkey? Turkey houses no terrorist organizations Israel targets and no regime change is planned. Erdogan is within the Trump/Gulf sphere of alliance. And top all of that, around 80k Israeli citizens live in Turkey in any given day, this is NOT Iran or Lebanon.
GokTengr-i@reddit
So that they will achive greater Israel. They have been invading ethnically cleansing and settling their people on these lands since the country founded. What makes you think they will abondon these policies?
LarsMatijn@reddit
Isn't the sphere of "greater Israel" more to the east and south? If I remember my liturgy right the "promised land" was from between the Nile to the Euphrates.
yalnzaylak@reddit
Source of Euphrates starts from Southeast Anatolia, "Greater Israel" includes southern parts of Turkey too
No-Heart3432@reddit
Not needed. Both countries are in the same side.
ShikaStyleR@reddit
No one is going to talk about how this Joe Kent guy is defending Assad?
tellsyoutogetfucked@reddit
He just has a hate bone for Al-Qaeda. Let it go bro 9/11 was 25 years ago
Flatpiller@reddit
Literally lol
driftstyle28@reddit
Turkey vs Israel... Fuck.. Who do I dislike more?
crispyfunky@reddit
Is there any country in Europe or Asia a Serb would like? Dude, keep living in your own bubble but keep drinking Turkish coffee proudly in Belgrade
driftstyle28@reddit
I'm drinking espresso, no one drinks domaÄa in Belgrade lol.
Safe-Artichoke3562@reddit
Maybe turkey because Serbia has more in common with Israel committing genocideÂ
driftstyle28@reddit
I'm sorry but the proportions of the Armenian genocide cannot be compared to anything Serbia ever did in history so no.
Any_Mine_6368@reddit
Albania
Efficient-Impact3669@reddit
Nah we ok with Albania, we don't like Kosovars
driftstyle28@reddit
That's basically the lovechild of Turkey and Israel
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Where there is smoke, there is fire.
I dont think this is an elaborate plan by the entire US administrative/political elite. However, I do believe that there are a lot of these clowns sitting in important positions. Menendez is the biggest example of it. The man is born either with a hate boner for Turkey or he is very deep in Zionist pockets.
That being said: Turkey is not Iraq or Iran. They can do arse.
blodskaal@reddit
If Israel goes to war with turkey, that's literally going to start the third world war. Very scary to consider
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Other than throwing some bombs, Israel can not and wont do more.
Positive-Donut-9129@reddit
They have nukes though.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
And they wont use them.
DassakliPeynir@reddit
Europeans would never go to war for Turkey.
bambam178902@reddit
I'm from Croatia and if Israel attacks Turkey I would go to Turkey and join the army.
Any_Mine_6368@reddit
Iran actually put up a good fight and strong armed the US into a deal. Same for Iraq.
Turkey won't be able to do shit. Second week of the war they'll get a moral win by electing a democratic nominee and call it a day. BesidesÂ
vanity-flair83@reddit
I commented under a similar response...we're going to war w Turkey now? ( wouldn't surprise me as the executive just does what it wants and congress is useless)...but seriously I haven't heard this until now..whats the deal?
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Entirely and only because Hormuz just happens to be very vital for the world economy. And eitherway the iranian military and leadership got obliterated. Even when we can agree that this is a purric victory for Iran, it was far from a "good fight".
Mfer they got occupied.
Since the formation of the republic, Turkey yet has to lose a single armed conflict they entered.
They interfiered in Syria -> victory.
They interfiered in Armenia -> victory.
They interfiered in Libya -> victory.
Russia wanted to block grain shipping from Ukraine, Turkey said no. -> victory for all of us.
The US backed bijis wanted to carve a state -> Turkey said no and now they play good boy for the syrian army.
The PKK wanted to use Iraq as a retreat -> Turkey said no and they are getting blasted in their home turf.
Turkey is after the US the most experienced NATO army. Now pair this with a newly indigenous military production and no: you couldnt be more wrong.
There is one thing you can always unite the turkish people and that is threatening the turkish souvernty. Buddy your conservative islamo-fasist uncle from Butt-Crack-No-Where will stand side by side with your Ăźber-kemalists born and grown up in Anitkabir just to kick some anti-turkish asses. You are so fucking wrong with this.
Whole_Obligation_776@reddit
You mean Bob Menendez?!? He got sentenced to prison for corruption and bribery. He got found with multiple gold bars in his home with no known sources at the time. He is cooked, you can forget him.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
I am not keeping up with US politics. Could be him. I just remember Menendez as a name with various anti-turkish US-stances.
Days without zionist plots: 0.
SlayerofDeezNutz@reddit
I believe the source of the money is actually in connection to Egypt.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
They are on the payroll of the eagle and the eagle is on the payroll of the promised people. It all comes back to the same thing.
graspthefuture@reddit
What do you mean not Iran, you kinda want to be Iran since they showed significant capability to oppose US & Israel
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
They got 5 additional buttholes. Their brain is leaking through their nose and there seem to be a dick growing out of their eye. That is the state Iran is at right now. No thanks.
spaceninj@reddit
I got deja vu reading this. Have you posted this before?
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Nope.
herhangibirperson@reddit
Turkey will be alone in such a potential war. We won't forget how our lovely "allies" abandoned us in the Su-24 incident, or how they have supported/whitewashed PKK for years. Meanwhile Russia is distracted. Infact it's more likely European countries will help Israel. Especially our lovely "friends" in the Balkans
icankillpenguins@reddit
It's a stupid idea, there's nothing stopping you to attack a country in NATO when yourself is also in NATO. That's why Greece is arming to the teeth because they are afraid that Greece(in NATO) can be attacked by Turkey(in NATO) and they even had fight when together in NATO.
If you quit NATO and attack NATO country, you are not in advantage but in disadvantage because then the rest of the NATO has obligation to help the fellow country.
in other words if:
a) USA in NATO attack Turkey, they will fight only Turkey
b) USA out of NATO attack Turkey, they will fight NATO
Even if you don't believe that France, Italy, Spain etc. will fight for Turkey against USA, it still doesn't provide any advantage.
So this Joe Kent guy just said something for internal consumption, not a real scenario.
crispyfunky@reddit
If Turkey goes down, who is gonna harbor all those refuges? Who is gonna bribe up ErdoÄan so that he is gonna keep the gates air tight. Think about this EU.
RestepcaMahAutoritha@reddit
You will be kicked out of NATO if you attack another NATO country.
sangueblu03@reddit
Turkey attacked Greece (granted, an uninhabited island - but did kill Greek soldiers) in 1996 and lays claim to internationally-recognized Greek land. Theyâre still in NATO.Â
Odd-Low-4161@reddit
Turkey did not kill greek soldiers, greek helicopter crashed during a night time mission.
sangueblu03@reddit
Yes, thatâs the official story
Odd-Low-4161@reddit
Yeah believe whatever you wantâŚ
OldYogurt7161@reddit
I am nor sure but the lands that are protected by article 5 dont have to be whole country for example. If somebody attacks to Hawaii there is no need to be aside with USA since you didnât promise to protect there in article 5. I am pretty sure these rockies (not island) are not covered by article 5.
the_lonely_creeper@reddit
They are
OldYogurt7161@reddit
Islands are under protection. Islands are different rocks are different. There is a gap my friend.
the_lonely_creeper@reddit
no gap
OldYogurt7161@reddit
âOn territories of any of the parties in Europeâ geographically islands are on Asian part just a few kilometers away from mainland of Turkey.
the_lonely_creeper@reddit
Generally considered European.
OldYogurt7161@reddit
According to what? Maybe culture in this case continents are so much changeable like living cells. According to geography they are Asian rather than European because they are much closer to Asia. We both can find tones of videos, resources to defend our own arguments.
the_lonely_creeper@reddit
According to convention.
Anyways, in no world is this entire argument useful. NATO covers the whole of Greece, no exceptions.
OldYogurt7161@reddit
It didn't, so that this agreement is totally important and shows how specifing important in agreements.Â
defnotachicken@reddit
I don't know what you are taking about. During the Kardak Crisis your helicopter crashed, it wasn't us. It is confirmed by both Greek and Turkish governments. But at the same year, in October you shot down one of our jets and we lost one pilot. So tell me again, which NATO nation killed another NATO nations soldier in 1996?
Volaer@reddit
I always thought the governments claimed this because the truth would have resulted in a full hot war which they sought to avoid. Il
defnotachicken@reddit
Same year couple of months later you shot down our plane resulting a pilots death and Turkey confirmed it was done by the Greek side so, no. I don't think you are right.
Volaer@reddit
I checked on the english wikipedia and it says:
defnotachicken@reddit
Wikipedia is not a reliable source and even there it says it is speculation. Who told the wiki editors that both of the states kept it concealed?
Volaer@reddit
Whatever the truth was, letâs try to build peaceful relations in the future, right?
SnooLobsters1304@reddit
I think it is terribly hard to establish peaceful relations with your neigbours who claim right on the land you live for almost 1000 years now.
Volaer@reddit
Which lands do Greeks claim that Turks lived on since the 11th century?
SnooLobsters1304@reddit
Thrace, İzmir and aegean states. I know thrace goes back only 600 years but the rest is 1000 years now. İzmir was captured in 1081 along with the other cities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megali_Idea
Volaer@reddit
Are not claimed by Greece.
Aegean states?
SnooLobsters1304@reddit
Look I get it you might have no beef bu you being friendly is not the general situation among greeks right now. Most greek people online think TĂźrkiye as invader of anatolian lands an this is the illiteracy we have to deal day in day out. Im almost 40 now i was born in the days of limited to no internet and we thought everything is Fine and dandy back then but todays kids are not the same. Internet is everywhere now and full of hostility against Turks and it does not serve in the way of peace. Thats what I am saying. Todays kids wont welcome the hostility coming from the greeks in tomorrows.
I will ad just one comment i have seen last week and leave it up to you.
defnotachicken@reddit
Was it me who slandered and talked shit about the other side first? Why not tell this to your Greek friend?
Fluid_Discussion8067@reddit
Not sure if you should take wikipedia's rope at this point. İt has become child's toy, anybody can change the content
RestepcaMahAutoritha@reddit
That sounds more like a skirmish than a war.
icankillpenguins@reddit
Yes and the Iran war is a military operation and the Ukraine war is Special military operation if you really like bullshitting about names.
Defiant-Strength2010@reddit
Did Greece declare it's a war? Ukraine declared the war when attacked, Iran declared a war when attacked...
RestepcaMahAutoritha@reddit
Straw man.
defnotachicken@reddit
Greece was the offensive side if you consider Greek soldiers were there for the coup. The coup government which massacred the Turkish Cypriots, which Turkey had rights and obligations to protect with "Treaty of Guarantee: Signed at Nicosia, on 16 August 1960". Turkey didn't attack Greece so stfu.
Separate_Link_846@reddit
Whatâs the NATO without the us? You realise we are all at their mercy.
icankillpenguins@reddit
It is something more than Iran or Afghanistan for sure. USA doesn't have any war won, they are just siphoning huge money to the military industrial complex and go blow shit up unit they lose a war. Sure they can blow up some stuff up, but maybe we can put military targets to stuff that needs to be demolished and get free demolitions :)
Separate_Link_846@reddit
Yeah name a country that has managed to be habitable after the us lost a war there
icankillpenguins@reddit
Vietnam. Your turn.
Separate_Link_846@reddit
Lmao I should say first world country. Vietnam is basically 3rd world. But yeah you can aspire to be Vietnam đ¤Ł
icankillpenguins@reddit
Okay then show me first world country that was bombed by US and its unlivable today.
Separate_Link_846@reddit
I mean, even Antarctica is habitable to some extent
My point is after the us is done with your country, your country will be a shithole no matter what.
Itâs obvious you donât care about the argument. But thereâs a reason everyone is sucking the us off and no country want to beef with them. They have the budget to make sure you suffer forever
icankillpenguins@reddit
So your way of thinking is that you should just capitulate? Do you know what happens to those who capitulate? They become source or solders and money for the next invasion of the empire. You don't live happily ever after you wave the white flag, go ask what are the people in the areas captured by Russia are doing.
Separate_Link_846@reddit
Yes thatâs usually how it goes
Still better than the alternative imo, we depend on the us too much to change course
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
What is NATO with the US?
Other than bullying some weak nations, does the US even have the capabilities to protect Europe from a serious threat? And what could this potential threat even be? Russia?
Ok_Rise7870@reddit
You are not very clever. They want to disband NATO so they can side with Israel against Turkey. NATO will be useless at that point.
icankillpenguins@reddit
So this makes you think that you are clever? You have very low standards. Turkish economy and EU economy are integrated, EU is almost fully made of NATO countries which means the Turkish army and the French/Spanish/German/Italian/Bulgarian and other EU country armies are already compatible with each other. When NATO goes away it doesn't mean that those countries are left with no armies, it means that they can just say let's call it European Security Organisation or something like that and carry on. In fact, EU has already progressed towards that and even if Turkey isn't officially part of the EU army efforts it is closely aligned and it is already accepted in programs like "Made in EU". Currently USA is actively against a parallel organization to NATO as they were against it the last few decades, the moment NATO goes away you have the European Army.
As clever boy you are, you will probably say some BS about how most of NATO spending is US, I will ask you to look all the wars since WW2 and show me a war that US actually won. Most recently they were running from Afghanistan with people falling off from military planes and begging Iran to open the Hurmuz. USA is spending a lot but they don't have much to show.
echo_c1@reddit
Even WW2 won by Soviets by far, regardless of Hollywoods portrayal. USA played an important part but without Soviets we would live in the Third Reich now.
Darknemo20000@reddit
I am not so sure. I mean Germany needed help to bypass Versailles and it was Soviet Union that helped them. Without Soviets German military would have taken far longer to rebuild and by then Hitler might not have been in power. Not to mention that Molotov-Ribentrop pact did help Germanu to conquer Poland much faster. Had Soviets not helped them that war could have costed Germany more.
echo_c1@reddit
"Without Soviets" doesn't mean they wouldn't exist but they wouldn't engage in military action against Germany, so they could attack other countries while continue to keep non-aggression pact with Germany.
Monterenbas@reddit
Doubtful, without the soviets help, germany wouldnât have been allowed to cheat in the Versailles treaty and rearmed in secret.
If it wasnât for the fear of communism, the nazis may very well never have gain power.
Without the soviet alliance and secret pact, couldnât have invade Poland the way it did.
If it wasnât for soviet assistance, Hitler would never have had the requiered raw materials and oil necessary to launch his blitzkrieg.
icankillpenguins@reddit
True. Their enormously powerful industry helped a lot of course.
echo_c1@reddit
Yes. Without US support, outcome of the war would be different (especially for France and UK), no denying that.
No-Summer-8419@reddit
Outcome was not going to change. Time and human suffering yes. Possibly USSR in a much more dominant position. Most likely really. Same with WW1. Americans didn't do much fighting but their joining made the Germans realize a bit sooner that it was lost/hopeless
echo_c1@reddit
Without the US support in the Atlantic, Brits could cave in if they couldnât get any resources as they would be isolated completely. Even with US support it was a very hard feat to tackle. Without the western front, Germany could use all their resources in the Eastern front and Soviets may not be able to liberate whole of Europe or capture Germany. Germany could also use their resources to attack and capture other areas, especially Mediterranean and use straits to access Black Sea.
-Passenger-@reddit
yeah Eastfront was the main theatre.
Not to downplay the engagement and sacrifices other nations did, but everyone knows the Eastfont was the main theatre in Europe except the US. They dont know that.
Any_Mine_6368@reddit
You're correct.
DrawerJealous@reddit
Are you aware that you used the words "Trump's America" ââand "clever" together?
reallycooldude456@reddit (OP)
maybe they want to disband the NATO.
icankillpenguins@reddit
And what do you think it happens when they disband NATO? NATO is not an army by itself, it is a coordination center for its members. The moment NATO is disbanded they can create the European army just by changing the logo.
ZestycloseMessage905@reddit
90% of Nato is just US and Turkey to be fair lol, i dont think the Americans are afraid of the EU's non-existent army, that's the problem. By the time the EU gets its shit together to be capable to protect itself and its allies, the US and Russia would have partitioned Europe like 10 times.
*Sad but True by Metallica*
icankillpenguins@reddit
Give me the list of wars that US won since WW2. As for Turkey, US and Albania together have the strongest army in the world.
ZestycloseMessage905@reddit
My point was that if the US attacks Turkey the rest of NATO is irrelevant, even if they have armies, like the UK and France, none of them can actually afford to use them.
Faust29A@reddit
Yeah, but I just donât see how NATO would have the balls to attack the USA or Israel.
icankillpenguins@reddit
NATO is a defensive organization, they won't we attacking USA or Israel.
Faust29A@reddit
Prepared on paper.
icankillpenguins@reddit
Well US had to attack to know the outcome, instead did a TACO. What makes you think that Europe is weaker than Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan?
Faust29A@reddit
EU is USA little bitc...
icankillpenguins@reddit
You should stop repeating memes and start thinking by yourself.
Reasonable_Rabbit425@reddit
Decadence
Temporary_County1838@reddit
If this happens Greece will also attack Turkey.
Yavannia@reddit
Why would we do that?
Temporary_County1838@reddit
You would love Enosis don't you?
Yavannia@reddit
You are cringe.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
Don't you have any answer to my question?
Yavannia@reddit
I didn't know you answer a question with a question and an absurd random one at that. But no we have no such aspirations.
K-Hunter-@reddit
I donât think youâre speaking for the majority of your people. If given the opportunity, I doubt Greeks would put aside their national aspirations of megali idea.
Yavannia@reddit
Again you have your president threaten attacks against us recently, but you base our aggression on +100 year ideas. We have much more reasons to believe that you will attack us than the opposite.
K-Hunter-@reddit
We are talking about a hypothetical scenario, and I replied to you in that context. You donât need to resort to whataboutism.
Yavannia@reddit
And megali idea is not whataboutism? Soon you are going to tell us we are going to attack Iran because of the Persian wars or something. Get on with the times.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
Yes its not whataboutism. We are talking about Greeks motivation to attack Turkey.
Yavannia@reddit
So your idea from 100+ years ago is not whataboutism but my quote of your president from 2 years ago is whataboutism. Okay mate.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
Megali idea is still on the table for Greeks. I have just watch a video from South Cyprus people screaming about it.
Yavannia@reddit
Of course, you must know better than me. You just want to see us as enemies and no matter what I say won't change that. Believe what you want you already made up your mind.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
I saw the video with my own eyes. Everyday i witness in different subs Greeks talkin about kicking Turks out of Anatolia to Central Asia etc. I don't create things in mu mind.
Yavannia@reddit
I saw a top Turkish national athlete saying he will "teach us how to swim", I heard your president saying he will launch missiles at your capital, I see constant harassment on reddit from Turks to Greeks. Maybe that should tell me something.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
There is allways and "if" you somehow miss.
Bu the way you attacked us 1919, you tried ethnic cleansing in Cyprus in 60s and 70s you are actively trying to expand your airspace (according to an aggrement we didn't sign) into our airspace and nowdays You made an aggrement with Israel clearly aaginst us. You keep provocating us while accusing us. This is how we see you
Volaer@reddit
ÂŤÎνĎĎΚĎÂť and ÂŤÎξγΏΝΡ ΚδÎι living rent free in their minds. Unbelievable.
Yavannia@reddit
They only know how to quote 60+ year ideas for their arguements.
GabrielOBatistuta@reddit
your government is already israels puppet
Yavannia@reddit
Why what have we done to help them?
GabrielOBatistuta@reddit
https://youtube.com/shorts/SsuKm5zlOMY?si=CssPcU7EcW_rXmrn
MelodicPop3004@reddit
Vassal of Israel.
Various-Barber-7162@reddit
Good for you, bravo đđť
Yavannia@reddit
What good for you? The guy is Turkish.
Volaer@reddit
Nah. There would have to be a reason - Turkey attacking Greece, or genocide of Kurds or trying to get a nuclear weapon on its own something like that.
Even the strategic defence partnership with our âblue-whiteâ sibling does not have a mutual defense clause.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
Greece will create a reason and they will probably get money etc from US and Israel and they will attack Turkey.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
They dont have the capabilities to start a large scale ground invasion. Much less so into an area 5x their population.
Temporary_County1838@reddit
Don't worry about money their masters will give them just like 1919.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
I am not worrying about money. Their average age is like 150 with a rapidly shrinking population. Every single day the chance of Greece invading Turkey (in any situation) becomes less liklier.
meSmash101@reddit
No we wonât. What are you saying?
Hydra961@reddit
If Greece decided to be an absolute moron, sure - but I highly doubt it.
chbb@reddit
Then, Bulgarians and Serbs will join and we will have First Balkan War, redux đ
physoc@reddit
This statement also shows that Israel is nothing without the US compared to Turkiye.
ElectronicImam@reddit
Americans are the dumbest nation by far.
Dunkelhaft@reddit
Israel could not even do anything to iran 𤣠who believes that they even would stand a chance against TR is really stupid
soxiwah641@reddit
Israel is kind of using scorched earth strategies though. They don't occupy the land itself they just destroy all the infrastructure so that the country is not able to use it. A war with Israel will be catastrophic for any countries citizens.
Dunkelhaft@reddit
Isreal cant destroy TR infrastructure in a speed in that itself stays safe. TR has many major big cities and the euro corridor not like iran which is packed with issues on all sides. Assume the same catastrophic consequences would face any country which is in WAR with TR
soxiwah641@reddit
Iran also has many major cities. The population of Iran is bigger than Turkey. They still managed to destroy a lot of theirs critical infrastructure in the first month. USA is actually holding them back because Trump is feeling some political pressure about his involvement in the war.
Cimb0m@reddit
USA controls Israel, not the other way around
Novel-Wait328@reddit
uh oh,its nice to be naive and ignorant
Cimb0m@reddit
Who do think is paying for it all?
Novel-Wait328@reddit
who do you think is the rich elite in america?
Cimb0m@reddit
The money is coming from the US though. Theyâd be finished if they had to pay for everything themselves
Novel-Wait328@reddit
wow,my comment about who really runs the show got deleted,sounds about right
Novel-Wait328@reddit
as i said,naive and ignorant,us jews are still israel 1st and they hold all the cards
FlashyGap2864@reddit
It's nice to believe US is the good guy manioulated by israel, rather than acknowledge it is the bad guy who has its mad dog for dirty work.
Dunkelhaft@reddit
Donât think population has nothing to do with infrastructure and pls donât compare TR with Israel and or Iran when it comes to that. Check TR infra. Major ports and cyprus. Btw ports open to blacksea agean and medd.
soxiwah641@reddit
Idk what the ports are going to do when Israel airstrikes you. Israel doesn't lead naval warfare. I just wouldn't be so confident in war against Israel. No matter which country I am in. Their whole economy is warfare based.
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
you are greece zion I see, nobody is affraid of Israhell they are nobody and it is proven multiple times. I would really love they attack Turkiye but really :)
soxiwah641@reddit
Lmao abi. I have deep connections with Turkey and I just don't want them to get involved. You know well how incompetent the people in your government are. I don't think they will be able to deal with it and I don't want to see the destruction and pain in Turkey. I don't give a fuck about Israel.
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
lol in my government are incompetent indeed but it aint Turkey :D
soxiwah641@reddit
So you are not even Turkish and would love Turkey to be attacked by Israel... Yeah I'm the zionist here who just wants peace for my neighbours :)...
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
yes, they would obliterate them, also I know Greece wold try to find its place there, so there would be casualties on Greece side too people like you zions and hardcore nationalist :) I love when bad people suffer I cant help myself :)
soxiwah641@reddit
You're crazy. Lock yourself up in a mental health facility.
Dunkelhaft@reddit
While Israel airstrikes TR is going to play backgammon or what? what would happen if TR and Israel starts a war a real war? Israel would be deleted from the earth without the help of US
S0mber_@reddit
brother when it comes to wars like these, only aerial forces and ranged weapons matter, in which israel has a great superiority
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Nope. Radar system, anti AA system, satellites, army readiness and leverage matters as well.
They dont. Turkey has mid-ranged, hypersonic missiles, drones, an elaborate AA-system and soon 5th generation fighters. They have leverage with the F35s, but that only takes you so far. Decently operated radar systems (plural important here) will detect them. Add the +1 mil drones and this is far from a pre-determined outcome.
Turkey wont launch a ground invasion into Israel and vice versa and if they do (USrael), they will get butchered. Massive urban centres, lots of mountains and an experienced army.
Dunkelhaft@reddit
The superiority which you see is just in plain nrs. How many drones can TR fly out and witj this range how much ground support or naval would israel get. The only point here is the US
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
you are delusional, its paper tiger, they are 2 years in gaza still didnt defete children and woman. If there is no USA they would be gone long ago.
Ashenveiled@reddit
pretty sure israel did everything they wanted in gaza with minimal losses.
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
yep they made genocide killed 80 000 civilians mainly children and woman, although that number goes higher. What they did in Iran? nothing, they are unable to take fight with anybody that isn't civilian. Also with USA help they would be all gone.
Ashenveiled@reddit
pretty sure they showed that they can easilly fight when their humiliated whole Muslim world in 6 days war.
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
who gave you weapon ? Who help you and send you weapon while entering Palestine in 45-48? only one humiliated are israhellis making genocide for more than 70 years. UK and USA did prepare you for that war, still Sinai is in Egypt lol
Ashenveiled@reddit
In war of indepence?
they bought it in europe. fromer czechoslovakia for example.
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
you are zion that is the same. Yep better country with USA money, I would love to see them without trillion of dollars of USA tax paying money.
Ashenveiled@reddit
yeah. keep coping. Fact is that Muslims cant build a single normal successful functioning country even if they have massive oil reserves.
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
I am not sure why am I trying to defend them in the frist place because I dont like them either, but UAE, Kuwait, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Katar, Bahrain, Iran, all fine places... So I am not sure what are you talking about. Also Malasya... zion try harder. you zions cant make peace even with trillions of dollars of USA help, your country is still in war and not doing well. So keep coping :)
Ashenveiled@reddit
Why are you naming dictatorships, countries that still have modern day slavery, countries who kill journalists and butcher their bodies in embassies, country who's leader called to rape women before killing them, so they wont get to heaven - fine places.
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
in last 70 years all journalist that died in the world that combine is less than Israhell killed them in last 2 years. Israhell is evil terrorist war state.
Ashenveiled@reddit
i like how you cant say anything about the topic, so you instead write "israel bad".
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
like it or not israhell is bad.
soxiwah641@reddit
I think they achieved all their goals on Gaza which was to basically flatten it.
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
I see you just love israhellis, fine, but their goal is to kill them all and to release land so they can steal land, so their main goal was not achieved.
reallycooldude456@reddit (OP)
and what prohibits any other powerful country such as for example turkey to use same tactics back on them? Iran and Palestine doesnât have airforce
soxiwah641@reddit
It would still be catastrophic for that country. Doesn't matter if they can retaliate.
Kreol1q1q@reddit
Yeah, primarily for Israelâs. Israel cannot exist in a state of perpetual warfare with all its militarily competent neighbours and regional rivals. Iran itself is dangerous, and Turkey is vastly more so - NATO aside.
ajprp9@reddit
Thats not true bv israel has and can only survive in a state of perpetual warfare. Their economy and national identify relies on persecution of their neighbours and a scared population
strawberry2nd@reddit
I donât think the people of any other country are as militaristic as we are. There are very few nations like us in the world on that matter. Sacrifice and endurance for the sake of the country is deeply rooted in our history, and virtually every young Turk shares this mindset. This awareness is instilled in us from elementary school onwards and throughout our lives. What I mean is, weâve always been resilient in the face of the war economy, sanctions, and the war itself if necessary.
Ashenveiled@reddit
if you are lucky, maybe they will do to your sultan what they did to homeini tho.
Dunkelhaft@reddit
Flair up or gtfo
Ashenveiled@reddit
cry
Dunkelhaft@reddit
Flair up babygirl
Ashenveiled@reddit
No. whatcha gonna do about it?
Dunkelhaft@reddit
Babygirl flair up asap
magicman9410@reddit
This is the sorta dude that will absolutely shit talk you IRL, just as long as he has some safe barrier or big friends (plural, important) covering him. Otherwise just a sad little quiet troll. They also need love sometimes, they just donât know how to ask for it.
gimmieshelter_@reddit
They cant even open Hormuz strait, imagine the shitshow when they will feel the need to open Turkish straits
Pantolonun_Utulusu@reddit
Joe Kent is reading the situation completely wrong. Turkey is a very valuable ally to US. Historically, Israel and Turkey do not step on each otherâs toes. The problem is Netenyahu and Erdoganâs relations. Once Netenyahu is gone, all will be well again.
quirkchungus62@reddit
If being pro Israel means getting to annihilate Turkey then I will do a complete 180 on my views on Israel for the time being.
Mansur754@reddit
And the worst apart about that is, they're not even gonna have a fight but just attack the kurds and the kurdish areas
aasfourasfar@reddit
Oh nooo, we got rid of the "secular" mass murderer who turned his country into a sectarian hellhole
painkilla_35@reddit
Trump not giving us Patriots, F35s, trying to sanction us over S400s. Does it make sense now?
JeffLebowsky@reddit
Its true. Israel will attack Turkey, they've said this recently.
Rabid_Lederhosen@reddit
Joe Kent isnât a super reliable source, and I donât think anyone here has a grand overarching plan. However, there is currently a significant amount of potential for conflict between Turkey and Israel over Syria. Turkey wants to build up Syria as an ally in the region, and also because theyâd like to be able to send some refugees back there. Israel wants Syria to remain weak and fractured for fear that a strong Syria could threaten Israel, as happened several times in the past. Worst case scenario they could come to blows over the issue, although for now it seems fairly unlikely.
Outrageous-Nose3345@reddit
That looks like mindless verbal diarrhea. But "Israel - ba-a-a-a-a-d" is probably what he wanted to say, right?
MetroDodoPasDeBoulot@reddit
No wonder why israel approache greece
holyrs90@reddit
All this turkey shit is so retarded, lol, idk why ppl are spinning this propaganda, never gonna happen, turkey is 2 strong lol
BoringAd8788@reddit
let them come
wiglafofpinwick@reddit
OK so let's think about this scenario. US exits NATO, claims that they will attack Turkey with Israel. Remaining NATO countries go "uuhhh,yyyyeaahh..." and Turkey becomes best friend with Russia and China, closes Dardanelles and Bosphorus. Attackers probably try to seduce Greece, but they are not stupid. And to be honest, Turkey is not Iran, they haven't been preparing for this invasion for the last 45 years, building complex tunnels, changing the whole system to adapt into this etc. But Turkey is also not Iran. After US starts bombarding f out of them, they move every air or naval gadget they have left towards Israel, submarines, frigates, missiles, drones to bombard the f out of them and basically pull their 2nd "I'm not ordering you to attack, I'm ordering you to die". Which would become a really serious threat for Israel. Although Turkey is probably more fragile economically and sociologically; they are similar in a sense with their "this is us against the world boys" mentality, so ground invasion wouldn't be a viable option. But they are also much more aligned with the West. And not in a sense that they are "european" or have "values of vest". Without the US and Turkey, NATO loses it's 1st and 2nd biggest army in the alliance. And do you know any country that would really appreciate that and is close to Europe? So Turkey is scorched earth, most of Israel is scorched Earth, Europe is dealing with Russia's shenanigans, and who is the winner? (In the best pronounciation of Mr. Trump) CHIIIINNNAAA. While the US and the west is dealing with this shit, they just gobble Taiwan up and sit there as a kid who just had their happy meal. And now you might also wonder, "Why won't they just wait 1-2 years, support the opposition parties with better democratic values and end Erdogan's neo-Ottomanist expansionist regime? They are already dropped to the 2nd place as the party and b*ound to lose the upcoming elections. They can just have a Turkey without Erdogan much cheaper and far easier? Are they just stupid?" And the answer my friend is, "they might be, but that's not the real problem." If Erdo-gone becomes real, Turkey only gets better, a better partner for EU and the West. So they also become stronger, and that's the problem for Israel. If Turkey is a strong country that is close friends with Israel, it's the pitch perfect scenario for them. But, if they even have a slightly critical opinion of Israel, and considering the changing perception regarding Israel even in countries like Germany and thr UK, they become their most critical potential enemy in the region and they just go mad over even the possibility of it.
Any_Mine_6368@reddit
China has no reason to ever attack Taiwan.
Taiwanese chip manufacturers (arguably the only useful thing China could want from them) have declared that the moment they get attacked by china they're exploding every chip factory and leaving behind scorched earth. China won't do it.
They'll instead slowly influence them and get them on their side. We're not in 1600s, annexation is over. Vassalization is the way.
Other than that, I agree with everything else.
zelenisok@reddit
The pro-Assad smoothbrain drivel lol.
Final-Nebula-7049@reddit
Turks and Iranians are pretty tight. Israel would be royally fucked. Additionally, you're closing Hormuz, red sea, Black Sea to commerce. That's a ton of economic problems
Dunkelhaft@reddit
No the Iranians hate TR and the same TR people do not like iranians. We were never friends with the Acem
Final-Nebula-7049@reddit
I don't know what you're hating on, I think they are very smart and nice people
Dunkelhaft@reddit
Not hating thats facts
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
eh?
Turkey is, basically, Iran & Arabia, combined. (culturally).
Dunkelhaft@reddit
Dolmaki?
Zealousideal_Cry_460@reddit
İts been long revealed that ex-CİA contacts have been put in powerful positions in Turkey, of course it will sooner or later backfire
HYBRIDLqTHEORY@reddit
If that happens Greece and Egypt will have the best days of their life
vm0066@reddit
No we won't? What?
Gollub_56@reddit
United States does not need to leave NATO to attack my country (Turkey).
and leaving NATO isnât about us, it is about Russia-Europe conflict that is coming. (after Ukraine and Russia makes peace)
As_no_one2510@reddit
"Secular Syrian government"
There is nothing secular about a regime that run a cult of personality and allow Alawite to hold the highest position in the government
tkchrist@reddit
An Al Qaeda/Isis president is less secular by far.
Ineverything@reddit
I can see possibility for this because i do follow Balkan and Greek news and social Media. Let me say this. There is foreign input. I tried to find news related to Israeli migration to Greece and Cyprus but it only shows Turk aggression and moving towards thrace. I know something is happening because 5 mont later Iran war started and only then there was talks about Israeli buying house in bulk in Cyprus. In truth they already made villages for elites in greek island.
tkchrist@reddit
Exactly this!
No_Designer_8203@reddit
Turkey doesn't need NATO or US. Serbia will come to its aid. All of Balkans will come to its aid. Turkey is not alone.
Luka-VRS@reddit
ĹĄta ti priÄaĹĄ prijatelju
No_Designer_8203@reddit
:)
noworkdone@reddit
I think Tuerkey might be a bit more than what Israel could chew. And their relationship isn't that bad to begin with.
caesarj12@reddit
Turkey is far more capable at projecting power and fighting compared to Iran. It would be suicide for Israel to engage them directly alone or with US support. And keep in mind that the US has a strategic nuke base in Turkey. They wouldn't want to lose that.
A war in Syria on the other hand is not out of question. Would Turkey supporting their puppet Syrian government be enough to challenge Israel? Probably not.
theboltT@reddit
I wish they try that so we will end this era of pedos ruling to world
ComprehensiveLaw1012@reddit
Hope Erdogan gets the day one Khameini treatment.
Odd-Future1037@reddit
With so many conspiracies becoming reality lately⌠I would not completely discard this scenario. Who knows what will happen 10-20-30 years from now?
Adventurous-Sport-45@reddit
Trump loves ErdoÄan. Admittedly, he also loves Netanyahu, when he doesn't hate Netanyahu, and he definitely loves al-Sharaa, the president of Syria, even more. Seriously, listen to the things he said about al-Sharaa. But the point is that Trump isn't planning to attack TĂźrkiye at the moment, and that certainly is not why he is thinking about leaving NATO, which he has been talking He rather hates NATO because he is pretty unintelligent, and sees the USA spending money to get, as he sees it, nothing in return. He wants the other NATO members to pay the USA for weapons, as ErdoÄan and Netanyahu are happy to do. Â
St_Ascalon@reddit
Bro trump is not gonna run for forever lol
Adventurous-Sport-45@reddit
Sure, but he's talking about why Trump wants to pull out of NATO.Â
St_Ascalon@reddit
I mean it is stupid because i think a clash between turkey and israel wont happen even in 5 years.
Soft_Conference9612@reddit
Itâs a decade long game. First Israel will pressure USA Europe to sanction turkey in the name of democracy, rigged elections, human rights etc. which will make Turkey much weaker than Iran coz turkey doesnât have natural resources like Iran. At the same time USA will stop selling advanced arms to turkey giving Israel an advantage over weaponry. Iran at least has its own large ballistic missiles stock which allowed them to do some damage. Turkey wonât even have that.
MooseLogical3731@reddit
Secular Syrian goverment was producing and dealing illegal drugs but thats ok I thinking
Pure_Excitement2012@reddit
If you recall there was an attempt to garner public support for removing Turkey from NATO a while back but it didn't work, so this is their alternative. What's really going to bake your noodle however is when you realize that Erdogan's been working for them since day one to weaken Turkey both militarily and economically, for the upcoming Israeli/US attack.
ycayca@reddit
If Iran is defeated, they could go to war with Turkey.
the_TIGEEER@reddit
"""Time to stop playing arsonist & fireman in the
Middle East, it's just not worth it."""
Right after he says all of that đ¤Ł
0 self awareness, but not by him, he knows exactly what he's doing. 0 Self awareness by his blind followers in the USA and those just like them in Europe. If it's Trump or if it's JanĹĄa or if it's VuÄiÄ or Orban. You have stupid people everywhere.
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
Weâre leaving, guys, bless us and forgive our faults; weâve spent a lot of time together, for better or worse. Good luck with your new neighbor, Israel. đđźđ
dunhere8@reddit
Haha makes 0 sense. So this guy is saying we will push Turkey into Russia&China hands. Unlock Russian navy from Black Sea and let them freely move in Med. Sea. Especially Turkey is doing whatever US says. Inam not saying 0 chance in middle east but very unlikely
kodial79@reddit
As soon as Khamenei was killed, Israel declared victory and thinking the war was just as good as done, Netanyahu said "Turkey is next".
You should do good to remember that, Israelis don't make idle threats because they know the American-centric will never hold them accountable no matter how heinous their crimes. You should prepare for war, it's coming in this decade or the next.
I don't know if it's going to be in Syria either. I fear this coming war will be a proxy one fought over Cyprus because that way Israel might get European powers to step in and do their dirty work for them. But no matter where it begins, it's going to end in Turkey.
HostileTakeover26@reddit
When did Netanyahu said "Turkey is next"?
kodial79@reddit
It was after Khamenei died. I think it was Netanyahu but I might be wrong, it could have been someone else but this wasn't the only time either.
Alarmed-Artichoke238@reddit
he didnt, naftali bennet or something said such thing
kodial79@reddit
Well, someone did.
Alarmed-Artichoke238@reddit
yeah but not netanyahu, so it makes your claim misinformation
Dikili35@reddit
It's going to end shit 𤌠Turks will show them Juice how men fight
Dunkelhaft@reddit
You talk bsđ¤Ł
Ashenveiled@reddit
Me when spreading my fantasies:
No-Heart3432@reddit
Well lemme tell the reality. Both countries are on the same side. For votes they look aggressive to each other. That's it.
CryptoBoy-007@reddit
Also to make it easy for Russia to swallow Ukraine, Trump to seize Greenland and invade Canada. Igniting a global nuclear holocaust.
chickensoldier_bftd@reddit
Do not worry at all. We have erdo as our leader. He had disagreements with the west before and there is nothing they wanted and he didnt give in a heartbeat. He is a loyal dog.
the_sneaky_one123@reddit
What the fuck.
They want to leave NATO so that they can attack NATO countries on behalf of Israel? wtf
F_Solo@reddit
Imagine what we Turks in Europe, especially in Germany, will do if Israel attacks us...Just think about it.
bagdf@reddit
Bergfried@reddit
Flair up
bagdf@reddit
I dont know how to. I'm turkish if youre curious.
Life-Willow768@reddit
Secular assad regime ? Lol.
Eldanosse@reddit
Turkey is too big to just hit from the air and defeat. Even bigger to invade with infantry or tanks. Nukes would affect the EU countries, so they would be out of the question. And whatever silly nationalism is there now would hit extremes. It would be an utter failure to even attempt.
You see, even under occupation by the big powers, Turkey was a real hassle to try to hold during the 20th century; with the Turkish population at an all time low, mind you. Occupying forces' patrols got dragged and beaten up in alleys by street thugs; their armouries got blown up by resistance groups; hell, even a British commander was raped in a Turkish bath.
I'm not saying these with a nationalistic sentiment, they're just historical facts and sociological observations. I'm not a fan of my people. The last time I risked my neck for these people was during the Occupy Gezi movement. They showed that they love their tyrant and don't deserve my sacrifice. They still bicker about the opposition when the biggest threat is already leading the country to the bottom of the third world list.
On the other hand, nothing stopping Netanyahu and ErdoÄan from continuing to play chess in Syria or some other unstable country. Both countries would bleed money, but their political elite would be personally getting richer and that's what they all care about anyway.
ExpressTrack8659@reddit
This is crazy but wouldnât be implausible
Kohonis@reddit
So let me get this straight, the Americans were adamant creating NATO bases around Russia giving them excuses to invade Ukraine, they scramble the middle east creating shitholes everywhere and now they want to leave letting the other members clean their mess
kallefranson@reddit
It is ridiculous to think the US has an elaborate plan behind it.
Makerel9@reddit
This is ill informed and conspiracist bullshit. This guys blames the Iraq War on Israel btw and will further blame US incompetence on others as if the greatest power in the world has no agency.
The US being hostile to NATO has nothing do with Israel. It is the admin's disdain of EU and NATO countries in general. They want to boss and bully their allies because they feel superior in military spending and "protecting Europe". They don't want to treat them like partners but stooges, and EU/NATO countries are sovereign and therefore cannot be controlled.
Examples of this are the issues in Greenland and Ukraine. US wants Greenland for reasons such as resources, strategic interest, and Trump's ego. Ukraine is something America wants to bargain over, they don't want to help for free and assist European interest which they see as "ungrateful". If we remember the Signal group chat leak when the US struck Yemen, it was JD Vance moaning that the US should not help the Europe because he considers them as burdens.
Lastly, how fucking stupid is he that he blames US/Israel for Syria when it was Turkey who was the main proponent of FSA success?
CressCheap@reddit
This
0bran@reddit
Any attack on Turkey is a definite third world war. No way anyone is going to watch them bomb Turkey...
ZemlyaNovaya@reddit
People said the same thing about Ukraine but here we are
Ok-Day-2000@reddit
Look, we have to realize that NATO was formed to deter and counter the threat posed by the Soviet Union. Today, its main purpose is to do that but against Russia.
NATO doesnât care about attacks on a NATO member unless itâs from Russia. Thatâs why NATO doesnât come to Greeceâs aid when Turkey did the Imia crisis in 1996 or when Turkey tried forcing through over 20,000 foreign migrants through the Greek border in 2020 with the help of the Turkish Armed Forces. Thatâs why Greece is armed to the teeth besides being part of NATO. Whereas NATO immediately scrambled to add Finland and Sweden to NATO when Russia invaded Ukraine, a country that borders NATO countries and has sent tons of military equipment to Ukraine.
So, NATO doesnât care unless the aggressor is Russia. In this case of a proxy war between Turkey and Israel in Syria, the aggressor wouldnât be Russia, so NATO wouldnât care. Also, I find it very unlikely that Israel would ever strike the country of Turkey itself and not just their proxies in Syria. In order for NATO Article 5 to possibly be invoked and implemented it would have to be an attack against Turkey not against their proxies in Syria.
byhesher@reddit
What a bunch of baloney. Everyone in Turkey knows that ErdoÄan and his special son are exporting resources to israel via ships even now.Â
pleasereadthecomment@reddit
I think everyone knows by now that NATO is not worth the paper its written on. If push comes to shove, it will be the political zeitgeist to decide if a country will be defended or not.
Volaer@reddit
I do not believe for second that the US would turn against Turkey.
Itâs a public secret that the most influential person in Turkey is presently Tom Barack - the US ambassador. And iirc Trump literally declared his support for Erdoganâs regime to the point where he is rumoured to have inquired about a possible âdynasticâ model for Turkey (Erdogan succeeded as president by his son similar to Azerbaijan).
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
The US isnt. Some people within the US are.
Volaer@reddit
Again, there would be no point, they are already governing Turkey.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Hard disagree on that. Turkish foreign policy is too often clashing with the US for that to be the case.
Unfair-Connection-66@reddit
People still believe that there is even 0.01% chance U.S will leave nato? They are their biggest weapons manufacturer in the world and they sale those weapons to their allies.
Zazubica@reddit
This guy is delusional. Biggest mistake that Europe made is to let americans to build their military bases in Europe. Why donât France or Germany have military bases in USA?
No-Key629@reddit
You mean the same military bases that defend EU airspace?
Zazubica@reddit
Lol, from who? From enemies of usa?
No-Key629@reddit
People already forgot about a certain continent sized country attempting to restore their former empire which includes large parts of eastern europe.
Zazubica@reddit
Usa with idiot Trump treats Europe like no worthy ally, and all the time he tries to humiliate Europe. Russians were allies in ww2. They became enemies when usa decided that they are bad guys. Europe didnât start any war after ww2, but Europe were involved in all wars that usa started. Russia with Putin is also shit, but Russia was also ally who gave a lot for Europe in the past.
No-Key629@reddit
The USSR was allied with Germany before 1941, guess who was both an ally of Europe and fierce opponent of the nazi regime since the war began? The US.
Russia did give a lot to Europe, like invading Poland alongside the nazis and attempting to invade Finland and now invading Ukraine.
Zazubica@reddit
US took a lot of nazis scientists, and in the middle of the war sold technology to nazis. Us were neutral because us were unsure abut outcome of the war. Us troops joined in late 1942 in africa, and first operation in Europe in 1943. 4 years after Germany invaded Poland. And btw Ukrainians nationalists killed between 50k and 100k polishs. Us attacked Republika Srpska 94â, Serbia â99, before that Somalia, Iraq, then Iraq again, Afghanistan, Libya and caused chaos in Syria. Us Government lied about Iraqâs nuclear program, something similar like this shit with Iran. The only thing that us actions caused is chaos, refugees and death. All those wars Europe supported. Now lik i said, trump treats Europe like a garbage. Threatening taking Greenland, threatening with tariffs etc.
No-Key629@reddit
Why was Serbia attacked in '99?
Zazubica@reddit
You tell meâŚ
No-Efficiency7788@reddit
Actually, they have
Zazubica@reddit
Where, i really didnât know that
Aytug4ufan@reddit
They won't be able to do shit to us. In case of a war, worst thing that can happen to us is a economic crisis. More than a economic crisis would happen to them though.
Busy-Sheepherder7515@reddit
roaches are pretty durable
AskBalkans-ModTeam@reddit
r/AskBalkans does not allow hate
Aytug4ufan@reddit
We are. If Zionists are thinking of attacking us, they should start searching for a new home in case of anything. I've heard North Sentinel Island is pretty isolated, they might have a shot there.
Beautiful-Double-315@reddit
Just like your mama
strawberry2nd@reddit
Turkey is too dangerous and vital a country for the US to confront. I don't see any possibility at all.
Unseeveelayzed@reddit
I might not be balkan, but from what i have sensed there will be a military agreement between us and turkey, where we get turkish equipment and our soldiers will be on the front line, turkey and syria both already know about this threat. And btw the âsecularâ government was the one funding !sis, while the AQ/!sis leader was the one fighting them lol
Aggressive_Lie_4446@reddit
Turkey would literally be an Israeli ally if the AKP was not in power. It is possible that after 2028, the relationship between Turkey and Israel will go back to how it was pre-2002.
baron_spaghetti@reddit
Sweet Jesus these asshats are doing exactly what Russia wants.
Beautiful_Jelly1378@reddit
An expected fact
Present-Image-90@reddit
Ridiculous on several counts.
Firstly to think US decisions on weather to stay on NATO are driven by Israel and overall by middle east matters is lunacy.
Second, Israel would much rather have Turkey as an ally than a foe. It's Turkey that denounces Israel and threatens it, causing Israel to respond.
BlnCpl@reddit
Conveniently leaving out the cold war factor that the US is not playing around with the middle east just for nothing. If you blame the US for interfering with the middle east don't conveniently forget Russia/UdSSR and China else your argument is in the best case a product of misinformation or worse an active attempt to further propagate misinformation
fstbm@reddit
Is wants to leave NATO because US is the only one contributing anyway.
arkadios_@reddit
Magas could have enjoyed free college via the army and a glorified vacation around US bases but now they'll go die for Israel like good goys
Top-Egg1266@reddit
"secular Syrian Gov" peak retardation
AdBeautiful9489@reddit
Yeah, Turkey is cooked.
No pun intended.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
I mean if USA leaves NATO, a more realistic reason would be making their burden lighter on europe defense, with their hundreds of bases, there isnt much to gain there anymore.
No-Efficiency7788@reddit
Well, i dont like Turks nor Turkey, no offense, but this move after Turkey helping these monkeys out in Korea... jesus Hai Sictir Americaaaaa
SwimmingAttention133@reddit
Turkey is housing nukes. If the USA takes them away I am sure they can get some from France. Even the Americans are not stupid enough to attack a country with nukes. Look at north Korea for example
Kenichi2233@reddit
Conspiracy theoriesÂ
Mammoth_Sort1352@reddit
Not at all. Israel have long term middleman fighting.