The Greeks in this subreddit, how is the 1897 Ottoman-Greek War perceived in your country?
Posted by Light_in_Shadow@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 32 comments
HerrKaiserton@reddit
From the Senior Highschool history book of Greece, basically: "It led to the establishment of ΔΟΕ, controlling the economy of Greece through (income sources)" That's it. It literally isn't even mentioned further
scales_and_fangs@reddit
Not a Greek but I was surprised how much celebrated that war is in the Ottoman Empire based on he many battle scenes from that war in Dolmabahçe Palace
Sensitive-Emu1@reddit
I think you are confusing the 1919 war with this one.
scales_and_fangs@reddit
No, it was definitely a Greek-Ottoman war. It is very possible that this painting was in the Dolmabahçe Palace.
Sensitive-Emu1@reddit
Well, you will see images of the Battle of Manzikert too. But I was there last year, and I do not remember a single mention of 1897. Because even after the Turks won, they didn't gain much.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
I mean,
they don't have many wars to celebrate in their "century of humiliation"
(tho Crimean war is the "biggest" for sure).
Kyriakos_X_23@reddit
We try to forget
CalydonianBoar@reddit
The so-called "Unfortunate War" has almost been forgotten because it wasnt very consequential in territory. It was, however, very consequential politically in Greece, because it lead to political turmoil, new ideological parties, and the reorganization of the Greek Army, with lower influences from the royal family.
Equivalent-Rip-1029@reddit
If the Greeks lose a few more wars against the Turks, they will become the cradle of Western democracy and a modern civilization. With each war they lose, their domestic politics improve, but with each war they win, they worsen. It's truly a very strange country.
ephesusa@reddit
Insert hard times strong men strong times weak men meme
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
yeah,
& Greek military (not "satisfied" w/ the progress on the reforms, following the war) carried out "Γουδί" coup.
essentially, enabling Venizelos' rise to power.
(a VERY important moment).
xarmadonis@reddit
We had another war in 1897? 🤔
Downtown-Figure6434@reddit
I guess you can assume most Greek-Turkish/Ottoman conflicts are perceived as a catastrophe, unfortunate or disappointment by the greeks
Boromir1821@reddit
He is perceived as the catalyst for a lot of important political events but that's about it
Free_Caterpillar_223@reddit
You ask how it's being perceived. I assure you that at least eighty five percent of Greeks don't acknowledge the event. At least. I think it's ninety five to be honest. Greeks know a few things about the revolution and mostly the 1922 campaign and defeat.
overbardiche@reddit
Greeks how do you feel about this war we won against you? (I will be telling you to move on already in another thread)
Angelically_@reddit
Ig bro
Burlotier@reddit
The Horus heresy in real life
TheCharalampos@reddit
To me and my family it's perceived as how Crete became independent (somehow) so seems as quite the positive.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
it's true.
Crete gained autonomy (as a result of the Greek intervention) & it is considered a "great" war there.
(they also have some cool paintings).
"independent" is pushing it.
it was as "independent" as Serbia was until 1878, de-facto independence/autonomy yes but still under Ottomans, & paying "tribute" to them.
Crete was annexed as part of the Greek campaign in the Aegean, in the first Balkan war.
TheCharalampos@reddit
Fair point! Everything I learned of Creatan history is pushing it, we were always heroic and awesome and amazing. So it's good to remember that it's true but also exaggeration.
Prod_Meteor@reddit
Like a hovering bambul (constant scare) that if we don't "serve" our country blindly and not sacrifice our prosperity for pointless weapons, it will happen again.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
lol.
had Greece people like this guy, back then, (& actually, if u read, we had some - both in the Balkan/Aegean campaign, & the Asia campaign) modern Greece would be Peloponnesos + parts of central Greece, that's it, & homeland of people like me, would be under Turk control now. (or, at best, Bulgarian - but that's only for the North).
SE_prof@reddit
Just a temporary setback.
TheCharalampos@reddit
Probably very little.
Kohonis@reddit
Total disappointment
TerranCitizen45@reddit
Isn't this the "the first time around we pretended the British didn't help us massively against the Ottoman, so this time we think we can do it alone" war?
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
yeah,
the Crete campaign.
one of the 5 Greek Ottoman wars.
took place a year following the first modern Olympics.
ironically, despite everything, Crete gained autonomy as a result.
following the war, focus of "Megali Idea" shifted to Macedonia, fighting off the Bulgarians there, instead of Crete/islands.
(Greece supported/armed Greeks across Macedonia, during the "Macedonian Struggle").
sta6gwraia@reddit
Fiasco.
EternalPrince54@reddit
it's overlooked I dont think most people even remember it
Volaer@reddit
As a diaspora Greek I would be curious to hear the answer as well. I am only familiar with the neutral interpretation. Overconfident Greece emboldened by recent gains and prestige (the first modern Olympic games) trying to liberate Crete challenging the larger and more disciplined and modernised Ottoman and nearly being defeated had her western alies not intervened.
the_lonely_creeper@reddit
It's called "the unfortunate war".
Though it's also just not known at all by most people.