France Launches Government Linux Desktop Plan as Windows Exit Begins
Posted by AnonomousWolf@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 235 comments
Posted by AnonomousWolf@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 235 comments
senliya@reddit
Don't celebrate too soon. Europe isn't as free as the United States; they recently passed a mass surveillance bill. Europeans might introduce a semi-closed version of Linux—much like Android.
Sapling-074@reddit
They pulled out all their gold from the US, now pulling out of Windows. France is going hardcore. Full respect.
Leprecon@reddit
France has always been very independent. They have their own nuclear program and their own nuclear powered aircraft carrier. They sort of kicked NATO out, even though they are still part of NATO. They have their own fighter jets as well.
generative_user@reddit
All Europe should be like that. But guess what, USA doesn't want that to happen. USA wants a weak Europe. This is why J.D. Vance the clown went to Hungary to support Orban, the pro Putin guy.
Leprecon@reddit
This is getting very off topic for the Linux subreddit, but I agree with you. The US wants Europe to be weak and divided. Trump was a big proponent of Brexit and after Brexit Trump has just been dictating how he thinks the UK should act. Meanwhile he tried the same with Germany the first time around and was getting annoyed to hear that he can't just make deals with only Germany and it is either the whole EU or nothing.
CheesecakePerfect156@reddit
Militarily independent, yes. But not at all for IT.
Linuksoid@reddit
not really. France has severe logistics problems, and not enough troops or equipment to really be able to do anything on its own
AppleBubbly4392@reddit
Beside the US nobody really has anything better.
The UK got too reliant on the US and underfunded their navy.
China doesn't have much power projection yet, as they started by developing their defensive military (not much international military bases and despite having such a large air force, they got around as much fuel planes as us, while the US owns more than 10 times more).
Linuksoid@reddit
I agree about China. But maybe France can develop their own stuff rather than needing to rely on a foreign country
AppleBubbly4392@reddit
Sadly we are quite small, and traditionally other European countries preferred to rely on US hardware to keep the balance of power in the EU. So they won't buy ours.
The military equipment cost is mostly R&D so we lack the ability to do economy of scale our domestic needs aren't enough. Thus we can't produce everything. There currently are debates and enquiries by the parlement (broadcasted on ytb) about what should we keep doing, what are our dependencies and what is okay to import and on which conditions.
Linuksoid@reddit
Yes to keep the balance of power in the EU...by allowing the US to dominate the EU. Makes sense
Which is why the military industry should be run by the government with price fixing, rather than allowing it to be a capitalist venture lol
Baardi@reddit
Which is why they're working on that IT independence as we speak
Additional-Sky-7436@reddit
I've said since 2016, NATO is one of those things that Trump was right about for all the wrong reasons and wrong solutions. NATO is an anachronism, and the US should leave.
But it should be done in an organized way that allows our allies time to reorganize themselves. Ultimately, I think NATO should just be converted into an EU defense ministry.
Linuksoid@reddit
Rendering NATO useless and impotent lmao
Europe is incapable of organizing a defense on its own. And society would not accept it, as it would require cutting of large parts of social spending
580083351@reddit
Yes, this spending is important to accommodate all the migrants.
Take the UK for example, this year is the first year revenues from income tax will be less than the amount they spend on benefits.
Linuksoid@reddit
Or just spend once, deport all the migrants and then you have enough for the military. Simple!
vastle12@reddit
Less money for defense contractors that way
Additional-Sky-7436@reddit
I'm sure they would be fine.
vastle12@reddit
It's not about being fine it's about getting all the money, these people aren't rational
MikeExMachina@reddit
Speaking of fighter jets, Solidworks for Linux when?
(Solidworks and the Rafale fighter are both made by the Dassault Group)
biteableniles@reddit
OnShape is browser based and follows a lot of Solidworks UI patterns. Not a replacement for more detailed modeling or simulations but I think platform independence is not a question of if but when.
speedsterlw@reddit
It would be incredibly cool
Linuksoid@reddit
And as the Libya campaign showed, France is entirely unable to host an independent bombing campaign without American logistics. Hell, it couldn't even deliver its troops to Romania within 6 months for exercises. So this seeming "independence" means very little when they are dependent and integrated with American logistics
Natural_Night9957@reddit
I wish they did something about Scilab.
xmalbertox@reddit
Sorry. I haven't heard of scilab since undergrad so maybe something changed. Isn't scilab FOSS?
Do you mean improve it?
Natural_Night9957@reddit
Yup, the development cycles are glacial.
amroamroamro@reddit
Among all those products (MATLAB, Octave, Scilab, Julia, etc), Python and its ecosystem has already won
Natural_Night9957@reddit
Python hasn't the straightforwardness of Simulink. Neither Modelica.
luxfx@reddit
And jupyter notebooks, yes
n3onfx@reddit
Seems like enough people think the quality is good given France is the second largest arm's exporter in the world.
mosskin-woast@reddit
DNFWF
Do not fuck with the French
sweatyhairlessballs@reddit
WTF
what the french
IcyHeadTime@reddit
Well, the French fucked with the Vietnamese and they lost :P
Intrepid-Tank-3414@reddit
To be fair, Vichy France is barely France.
ItsColorNotColour@reddit
Doesn't matter since Vietnam managed to fight off 3 massive invaders back to back (Japan, france and usa)
tcptomato@reddit
Vichy France didn't take part in the First Indochina War.
kopsis@reddit
So did the US and China.
AngrehPossum@reddit
I have Vietnamese friends. You don't fuck with them. Cheeky little smarty pants they are...
CannerCanCan@reddit
Who hasn't? Vietnam's motto should be Invaders FAFO
Natural_Night9957@reddit
Alas Africa knows this very well.
DonaldLucas@reddit
Bismarck: I will just ignore that.
Walk-the-layout@reddit
Except the windows users. FWFWU. Fuck with french windows users.
mosskin-woast@reddit
Meh hard disagree. They're victims.
Walk-the-layout@reddit
I love victim blaming. <- My french school switched to Ubuntu, students were confused, I'm the only kid to know how linux works, so I get asked how to do stuff all the time. These guys couldn't handle the switch from word to LibreOffice, we had to install that electron wrapper for word web.
True-Award-5901@reddit
Yeah and Germany will wait until it's all gone
ITuser999@reddit
IF there was any foresight back when the EU was formed or at latest when the Euro was introduced, they should've created a European digital sovereignty system. We had digital leaders like Nokia back then. There could've been a much bigger push for Linux to be a good alternative and having much more support and less reliance on american quasi monopoly companies.
No_Flounder_1155@reddit
There were attempts throughout Europe to do tuis. Microsoft is so litiguous it would sue anyone trying to break contract.
Linuksoid@reddit
In order for suing to work - one must recognize that foreign multinationals and foreign courts have jurisdiction in your country. The jokes on your country for recognizing it
rookietotheblue1@reddit
Do you think it makes sense to cut off your nose to spite your face? I'm not an expert by any means, but Im sure that foreign nationals are allowed to sue for many good reasons. Probably encouraging investment is one.
No_Flounder_1155@reddit
he seems to have forgotton that microsoft will of course have businesses situated in almost each and every country it operates in. According to the courts its not a foreign national, but a regular old national.
rookietotheblue1@reddit
True
KnowZeroX@reddit
At the time, most in EU didn't even know what a computer was. And many politicians didn't even fathom how fast technology would spread, they spent a decade investigating an issue or 2 while 100 more crept up.
Linuksoid@reddit
But reliance on Americans was the whole point lmao. Did Europeans honestly think they were "independent" of the US?
Go read about how Mongolian vassalage worked. It is the exact same method that the US uses to keep Europe in line.
lazyboy76@reddit
Maemo
maineac@reddit
xmBQWugdxjaA@reddit
Has Germany even reached Windows yet? I thought they're still using fax machines and MS-DOS.
ol-gormsby@reddit
Didn't Munich try to switch to LibreOffice or something a few years ago?
KnowZeroX@reddit
Yes, it was a huge mess where MS interfered in the elections, they also moved their HQ to munich as a leverage, and gave a huge discount to get Munich to switch back.
But you can't move your HQ to every country and right now EU is far more vigilant in foreign election interference.
burning_iceman@reddit
Munich switched to LibreOffice and Linux. A few years later under a different mayor switched back to Linux (but kept LibreOffice). That same mayor was voted out of office just last month.
iluuu@reddit
Ahh, spending money to regress. Gotta love these people.
KjellRS@reddit
Well, I remember reading about Munich like 20 years ago on slashdot, everyone was like they raised the banner and everyone would join the fight against the eeeeeeeeeevil Microsoft empire. But this wasn't like Internet Explorer vs. Firefox, there's very few ideologists in the office software space. They ended up plowing the road mostly alone and even though they had lots of cheerleaders very few actually cared about their struggles and the compatibility issues and whatnot so in the end it was too much for one city in Germany to carry. Like if it had been all of Germany, or now hopefully most of Europe I think it would have been a success.
burning_iceman@reddit
Yes, the Microsoft-friendly consulting firm Accenture tasked with evaluating the whole situation actually came to the conclusion that switching back to Windows wouldn't solve any of the problems they were having and recommended against it.
The mayor still pushed for the switch. Shortly after, the Germany Microsoft HQ moved to Munich.
King-Poring@reddit
Looks like people there really hate Windows, welp, the mayor felt the wrath of Linux users.
Longjumping-Youth934@reddit
they had done
KnowZeroX@reddit
I don't think so, maybe some states might try to do that. But at federal level, Germany is developing openDesk to replace M365. And some german states have also already been switching away.
FrohenLeid@reddit
CDU is just such an Eierleckladen...
algaefied_creek@reddit
Egg lick store?
Ball-licking store?
“bunch of dumb as shit ball licking fake ass piss poor excuse for a bunch of leaders”?
Damn German sure packs a lot of meaning. Syllable to symbolic meaning use seems to be through the roof!
FrohenLeid@reddit
Well, they used to be a Saftladen but downsized to Eierleckladen
Lukian0816@reddit
Anzeige ist raus!
AbbreviationsWide331@reddit
Actually the most northern state in Germany is switching to linux over the course of this year
True-Award-5901@reddit
While Bavaria and some others are going in the opposite direction at full steam. Unfortunately MV is pretty insignificant in comparison.
AbbreviationsWide331@reddit
Talking about Schleswig-Holstein here.
Don't really care what the southern alcoholics do, tbh.
True-Award-5901@reddit
My apologies for the mixup.
It's great that your state does it right but on the federal level these southern alcoholics have a lot of weight and you're not insulated from the consequences.
Potential_Penalty_31@reddit
Nice metaphor 😉
RvstiNiall@reddit
As an American looking at the European Sovereignty plans, I initially thought this would take at least five years, but it seems like France is trying for a speed run. I believe they will (possibly already have) advance open source quite a bit if this continues.
As a side note, I think ALL government should use their own software, or preferably Open Source Software, instead of commercial, for the exact same reasons the EU is doing it. How do they know a foreign government didn't pay Microslop, or crApple to put in backdoors, etc?
vastle12@reddit
Now if only they could do the same for Africa
DarkLeafz@reddit
They always have 1 more thing left to Pull Out. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
wet_tank@reddit
With all the shit updates I don’t blame them.
CheesecakePerfect156@reddit
Not really hardcore
Diisty@reddit
lmao
Tricuna@reddit
The french are something to behold. I love their no nonsense, example it's illegal to contact employees out of hours and also illegal to eat at your desk, that tells me alot about their culture and not putting up with stuff.
VanRado@reddit
Illegal to eat at your desk? How can this be? What's the punishment? The government enforces this?
MrKapla@reddit
Yes, here is the law: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000018531960
The punishment can be a fine for the employer if they do not provide a suitable place to eat (enforcement can be from the government branch responsible for this: Inspection du Travail), and the employer can also sanction an employee who eats at his desk.
VanRado@reddit
Article R4228-19 Translation: "It is forbidden to allow workers to eat their meals in the premises assigned to work."
So it's not only an actual law, but the government co-opts the employer to be the henchman and enforce the law on the government's behalf.
Seems a bit gratuitous, it's not like the other articles where it is requirements on the employer; this one is against the employee and eliminates a choice of where they can eat. What if a person wants to have their lunch break at their desk? Or what about partial time at their desk?
MrKapla@reddit
No the translation is fine, this is the idea. In theory yes it eliminates a choice for the employee, same as forcing employees to take their holidays or putting limits on the number of hours they can work in a day. However, the nature of the relationship between employees and employers means that these choices are very often forced by the employers through pressure and other indirect means, and removing the choice altogether is better for employees.
_MusicJunkie@reddit
Many rules seem weird at first glance, but there is a reason for them.
Another example, in Austria it is illegal to not take your 30 minute break from work. Because employers would try to pressure their workers to skip their lunch break, so now it is mandatory.
Is there a government taskforce to check everyone takes a break? Of course not. But if during random checks, it is found that employees regularly "voluntarily" skip breaks, that becomes a big problem for the employer.
sirmanleypower@reddit
I get the intent but I find that kind of stupid. I often eat at my desk because the faster I get my shit done the earlier I can go home.
P4nzerCute@reddit
You can totally eat at your desk, the law just implies that it cannot be the only place where you can eat as an employee.
VanRado@reddit
Article R4228-20 Translation: "It is forbidden to allow workers to eat their meals in the premises assigned to work."
tonibaldwin1@reddit
The French state is heavily indebted, maybe that’s a plan to reduce costs. Linux is the superior solution anyway
AxanArahyanda@reddit
I'm pretty sure you are correct.
RunOrBike@reddit
It’s about digital sovereignty / independence
tonibaldwin1@reddit
Sure, it’s also a cost reduction that can be reinvested in the necessary infrastructure to make it work at the scale of the government
mrElffuhs@reddit
What savings will they have?
Because I would guess they are buying 'licensed' Linux, with a ton of support guarantee. And that may be cheaper, but not free.
MikeExMachina@reddit
Yeah they would almost certainly be going with a corporate distro that comes with support like RHEL.
AnyImpression6@reddit
They use GendBuntu.
mauguen07@reddit
My governement.. Did something good ? I'm confuse.
AxanArahyanda@reddit
As far as I know, this has increased by 50% the number of good decisions they have taken.
Fresh-Toilet-Soup@reddit
Even Americans should do this too. Relying on a company to update closed source operating systems and remediate vulnerabilities is kinda dumb.
Immediate-Tour3850@reddit
IKR? We already have Redhat and RHEL. Using Linux instead of Windows in the government just seems better than a closed source black box.
Elder_Otto@reddit
Except they'll say no because Jesus used Windows or some such shit.
AnyImpression6@reddit
Temple OS
Golgoth_IX@reddit
The French army already use Linux widely. If you go to a gendarmerie (rural police, held by military personnel), every computer is run by Linux.
dvijdc@reddit
Do you know which distribution they use?
mrandr01d@reddit
What distro?
ZeBoyceman@reddit
It's a custom made for the gendarmerie
TheOfficialMayor@reddit
Very sensible.
Can you imagine Australian or UK police and defence departments doing that lol. Rather than invest in on-prem capacity or local players like OVH's they also rather store everything on Azure/Amazon/Google.
bawng@reddit
Our police in Sweden recently invested in Palantir....
notyoursocialworker@reddit
And the journal system cosmic...
Indolent_Bard@reddit
The what now?
MootRevolution@reddit
The benefit for other countries' police and defence departments is that there is now a linux system available that was tested and used in practice. Which will lower the threshold of switching for other interested parties.
butterfly_labs@reddit
French here. To be fair, most of the administration is still heavily reliant on US giants, especially for cloud services. Same for the private sector. The Gendarmerie is one notable exception.
redballooon@reddit
It's more nuanced than that.
It is possible to buy American cloud services that are air gapped and under control of the organization that buys it. Just because the French government uses Google doesn't automatically mean that Google has a kill switch.
MrKapla@reddit
That's not the cloud if it is airgapped and on premise.
redballooon@reddit
The cloud is a very badly defined word, and often used to just name services of technology providers.
That's why that much nuance is necessary.
DustBrother__@reddit
Half french / half Australian here.
I am torn.
7lhz9x6k8emmd7c8@reddit
Meanwhile, the police is using for sort of obscure DOS interface to fill in the complains.
irasponsibly@reddit
Everyone knows cool TUIs are all the rage these days
AnonomousWolf@reddit (OP)
That's over 100,000 Linux PC's being used by the french military police alone.
ammar_sadaoui@reddit
Microsoft will not bonjour this news
Feeling_Photograph_5@reddit
And here we thought nothing good would come from the Trump Administration.
WampaatHoth@reddit
Don't forget this Europeans are the same people who wants to kill anonymity on the internet with age verification laws, or who wants to destroy the end-to-end encryption. They are not doing that to "support the freedom" but for their own interests.
undrwater@reddit
I imagine it's a bit more nuanced than that. I would bet there are those there who fight on both sides. There are many pro consumer (right to repair) rulings that seem to fly in the face of a non-free government.
theta-cygni@reddit
I'm very curious to see what backup solution(s) they choose, if any. I've never found a simple and robust backup tool with a GUI that I would trust to work reliably for novice users, which is one of the main reasons I don't push Linux on friends and family.
mf864@reddit
Probably one of the many paid proprietary solutions. They are highly unlikely to use any GUI backup tool that a regular consumer user would be using to being with. Many of the business backup solutions with the ability to manage and monitor the backup status remotely support windows, mac and linux already This change has nothing to do with open vs closed source and everything to do with not be beholden to a US based company.
theta-cygni@reddit
Good point, hadn't considered that, thanks!
FlagrantTomatoCabal@reddit
Guillotine Linux
unixmachine@reddit
It's not enough to just migrate, they need to assess the impacts, as it can affect services. For example, as good as LibreOffice is, it doesn't have the same capabilities as Microsoft Excel. Network device management still has no competitor as good as Active Directory.
Overall, it would be good if they also put money in open-source software, in order to help evolve these systems and make them good alternatives to Windows-dependent software.
KnowZeroX@reddit
LibreOffice Calc is good enough as excel for 99.9% of realistic use cases. Keep in mind that many people who learned excel at school and learned nothing else just end up misusing it which often causes all kinds of problems (like using it as a database which ultimately results in data corruption)
Linux these days can join AD which is likely what they would do first before spinning off to alternatives like freeipa
And usually when governments do switch they contribute, we have seen this countless times.
unixmachine@reddit
Not exactly. In government, Excel spreadsheets are typically used as a mini database. Power Query and integration with Power BI are used extensively for robust data presentation. A simple pivot table isn't possible in Libre Office. And the easy integration of Excel with its online equivalent, as well as sharing on SharePoint and Teams, is a godsend.
I've used both at work and there's no comparison, Excel is better and more efficient.
At home I use LibreOffice because I make simple spreadsheets. But for work, it has to be Excel. At work, I use Linux, but I use Excel Online for some tasks.
Regarding Active Directory, well, for system administrators, it's much easier to manage Windows machines than Linux machines, the integration is smoother.
KnowZeroX@reddit
There are tools that are specifically meant for presentation of data, it doesn't need to be in a spreadsheet directly.
LibreOffice can do pivot tables, not sure where you get the idea it can't
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/scalc/guide/datapilot.html?&DbPAR=SHARED&System=UNIX
Collabora Online exists if your goal is to do online and sharing. There are even full integration suites like Germany's openDesk or NextCloud suite.
There are management suites that can manage both windows and linux like fleet
real_Goblin3@reddit
Any idea what distro they will use?
AppleBubbly4392@reddit
France OS
In line with the terrible naming ability of the current administration.
Nevermynde@reddit
Linux au fromage
Darkstalker360@reddit
An in house distro specifically for French government PCs, other countries already do this
uusrikas@reddit
It is GendBuntu, Ubuntu fork.
AnonomousWolf@reddit (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu
Already running on 100,000 PC's
GrumpyGeologist@reddit
I guess that explains the "other linux" category in the Steam surveys
MrKapla@reddit
Not sure how many law enforcement officers play on steam on their work desktop.
ConstantSwordfish250@reddit
Enough to contribute to this category at some point
KnowZeroX@reddit
I doubt, government pcs are likely locked down by enterprise policy. They aren't going to let you run games on there or any software that isn't pre-approved.
GrumpyGeologist@reddit
And probably more than they are willing to admit
kemma_@reddit
What a deception
onechroma@reddit
I’m just wondering what kind of nerd hero is working at the Gendarmerie as to bet on this, probably talk their superiors into this big project, and investing on making it happen, support, and so on.
Incredible (and very interesting)
AnonomousWolf@reddit (OP)
I wonder what it's a fork of, it would be great if they can also contribute to the base Linux they fork from.
Bogus007@reddit
Revolutionix.
kemma_@reddit
Archinix
butterfly_labs@reddit
Le Linux
ElvisDumbledore@reddit
Lemieux
wasdninja@reddit
L'inoux.
lemmiwink84@reddit
More like le Linoux (le leenou)
San-A@reddit
Lenux
Bubby_K@reddit
snooty penguin chef laugh
Own_Quality_5321@reddit
Baguettian
Narann@reddit
PardonMyLinux
amroamroamro@reddit
Debiàn CroissOSant
theng@reddit
baguette
lincruste@reddit
That would be the packet manager. sudo bag-get -f install vlc
OrcaFlux@reddit
It's gonna be the one that is most heavily infested with Microsoft slop.
So... Ubuntu.
WestSpace1077@reddit
Linux Deluxe
MiserableTennis6546@reddit
Bazzite
papucusburator@reddit
Ratatouillinux
Dakota_Sneppy@reddit
we'll see if they do a germany and swap back to windows in 2 years, repeating the infinite cycle
JVSTITIA@reddit
Espero que toda la UE se una pronto a Francia
mattague@reddit
I think they're very close to it. Between this, lasuite, opendesk, the similar initiative in the Netherlands, and Euro-office, I don't see them sticking with windows long. Especially since the impetus for Euro-office was Microsoft locking the Head of the ICC out from his outlook account.
JicamaIcy7621@reddit
is it finally going to be the year of linux desktop?
dswhite85@reddit
You people read one headline you probably didn’t even read the article because it’s not the whole France taken on Lennox dude it’s like one institution Jesus Christ you people
mattague@reddit
Maybe you didn't read very far either. The institution in question is the one in charge of the "digital strategy" of EVERY department of the French government, and they are requiring all other institutions to develop and publish a plan by August this year to do the same thing. So maybe not the entire government switching right now, or this year, but still a huge commitment.
hotohoritasu@reddit
Every year is the year of the linux desktop, silly.
amir_s89@reddit
Oui, merci :)
cornmonger_@reddit
no go away or i shall taunt you a second time
wip30ut@reddit
Mandrake reborn!
Glad-Weight1754@reddit
Will be interesting to see the security tested while more and more countries start using it in all kinds of government areas.
KnowZeroX@reddit
What's there to test? Linux has been used in all kinds of government areas already as linux is the backbone of servers, routers, microchips, super computers, mobile and etc. It is only had issues in adoption of the desktop.
azex784205@reddit
Frinux!!
reyostallenberg@reddit
I don't know the details, but it'll be nice if they (even for 50%) invest what they spend on Windows on FOSS now
ubextreme@reddit
The rest of Europe should follow!
AlissonHarlan@reddit
Trop bien
qdivya1@reddit
Part of me wonders if this is a ploy to get American companies to start paying attention to Data Sovreignity and other concerns. Does France expect to see this - by their lonesome selves - to the end and adopt Linux and other tools?
Remembering that China has forced Microsoft (and others) to create versions and environments that do not have foreign control, I suspect that we would need a united EU effort for this to make a real difference.
jesus_was_rasta@reddit
Can't wait to see yet another desktop environment, 'cause no one of the existing ones is "française" enough /s
krumpfwylg@reddit
Hold your horses folks.
It means the french institution called DINUM will drop Windows in favor of Linux, not the whole government. The announce is to say the french gov. will try to use more European softwares. Replacing Windows everywhere is not planned yet. And I doubt Microsoft will let go such a huge contract that easily.
But then, the french gendarmerie (a branch of law enforcement) already made the switch to Ubuntu since years, they created their own fork https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu So, maybe in the future, European governments will go for Linux everywhere - afaik, some German cities already use it - but it's a long term wish.
MiserableTennis6546@reddit
Yeah, moving an entire authority to another data system is a giant task. And now we're talking about the hundreds of authorities in the French government, a country not exactly known for its flexibility and efficient record keeping.
Poglosaurus@reddit
Flexibility and efficiency are what they are... but record keeping?
MiserableTennis6546@reddit
You need a shitload of validated paper documents for everything in France.
Poglosaurus@reddit
For sure... but if anything, that means record keeping is not the issue here.
MiserableTennis6546@reddit
Well, all this documentation will be kept somewhere.
Poglosaurus@reddit
It's the agency that put up IT regulation and technical procedure for other agencies. They've just told every other agencies and ministries that they have to come up with a plan to stop using Windows.
So this is the real deal. What matter now is the political support for that decision from future governments and the ressources allocated to that change.
Nevermynde@reddit
All ministries are instructed to come up with a plan for reducing their extra-European dependencies in IT. So it's a very soft decision, but a broad one. At least options will have to be considered.
3rssi@reddit
Meh!
As a french public servant, 85% of the laptops/desktops I see are windows. 14.5% are macOS and 0.5% are linux. (numbers not fact checked, but still)
Hierarchy does not seem to be aware of that "governement linux desktop plan"
adevland@reddit
C'est l'année de Linux! 🥖🐧
Jrassek@reddit
It's the year of the Linux desktop guys! If France pulls this of I hope that many other governments in the world will follow!
Important-Cry-4433@reddit
❤️ The French Attitude. We need more of this in Ireland.
interpretpunit@reddit
It is finally happening year of Linux🎯
max38576@reddit
I'm not entirely sure, but it seems that Chinese government agencies have been using Linux on their computers for several years now—even before France did.
max38576@reddit
Remember a few years ago when a Windows update caused computers at airports around the world to crash, leading to massive flight delays? Was China the only place that wasn’t affected?
Dev-in-the-Bm@reddit
That wasn't a Windows update, it was Crowdstrikes fault.
unixmachine@reddit
And it also happened with Linux servers.
max38576@reddit
OK TKS for correct, and I correct by your info. I just remembered it is a west company
max38576@reddit
AI:
China indeed emerged from the CrowdStrike incident in July 2024 with virtually **no damage**, a fact that drew significant attention from the global tech community at the time. This was no coincidence, but rather the result of “digital isolation” driven by a combination of geopolitics, market structure, and policy direction.
Here are the three key reasons why China was able to escape unscathed from this global disaster:
### 1. CrowdStrike Has Virtually No Market Share in China
* **Hostile Stance:** CrowdStrike’s founders and senior executives have repeatedly characterized China as a major global source of cyber threats in public statements and annual reports (e.g., referring to “China-nexus” threat actors). This tension makes it virtually impossible for the Chinese government and large enterprises—especially state-owned enterprises—to procure the company’s products.
* **Alternative Ecosystem:** China already has a mature domestic cybersecurity industry chain, including **QiAnXin, Sangfor, Tencent Security, and Alibaba Cloud**. These local vendors dominate the vast majority of the market share, inherently avoiding CrowdStrike’s erroneous update pushes.
### 2. “De-Americanization” and the Policy of Technological Self-Reliance (IT Application Innovation)
* **Goals of Self-Reliance and Control:** For many years, China has implemented the “Information Technology Application Innovation” (abbreviated as **IT Application Innovation**) policy, requiring critical infrastructure sectors such as finance, energy, and transportation to gradually phase out foreign software and hardware.
* **Layered Isolation:** In aviation and banking systems, China has extensively adopted localized operating systems (such as the Linux-based Kylin and UnionTech UOS) or heavily modified versions of Windows Server.
* **Microsoft’s Unique Structure in China:** Although Windows still accounts for over 80% of the Chinese PC market, Microsoft’s Azure cloud service is independently operated in China by a local partner, **21Vianet**. This “physically isolated” operational model adds an extra layer of buffering and review before global automatic updates are pushed to the Chinese region.
### 3. The Only Affected Sectors: Foreign Enterprises and High-End Business
At the time, the entities affected within China were extremely limited:
* **Multinational Corporations:** Such as the Chinese branches of JPMorgan and IHG, which use a globally unified IT infrastructure and CrowdStrike security solutions, resulting in blue screens on office computers in China that day.
* **Users of international software:** A small number of developers or foreign trade companies using third-party security modules.
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### Summary of the Truth
This incident unexpectedly served as a major **stress test** for China’s “technological decoupling” strategy.
For Western nations, this was a systemic risk stemming from “excessive centralization”; for China, it validated that its long-promoted **digital sovereignty** and **local alternatives** indeed provide physical isolation and protection in the event of a disaster. This has also led more countries worldwide to reflect on whether they should continue to put all their eggs in the same (U.S.) basket.
max38576@reddit
AI:
This incident occurred on July 19, 2024, and is widely recognized as the largest IT outage in history. The root cause was not a cyberattack, but rather a faulty update released by cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike for its Falcon Sensor software.
The following is a detailed breakdown of the incident’s impact on the global aviation industry and underlying technology infrastructure:
Trigger Mechanism: CrowdStrike distributed a configuration update named “Channel File 291,” intended to enhance detection capabilities against new threats.
Underlying Logic Error: A logic error existed in the update file, causing Windows systems to trigger an “out-of-bounds memory read” when reading the file, which in turn led to a kernel crash.
Domino Effect: Approximately 8.5 million Windows devices worldwide that had installed the software entered a BSOD (Blue Screen of Death) loop. Since such security software operates at the system kernel level, computers could not reboot normally; many devices even required technicians to manually enter “Safe Mode” to delete the corrupted file for repair.
The aviation industry, which relies heavily on Windows systems for ticket booking, check-in, and crew scheduling, was the hardest-hit sector:
Flight Cancellations: On the day of the incident, over 5,000 flights were canceled worldwide (accounting for approximately 4.6% of the day’s total scheduled flights).
Delays and Disruptions: Globally, there were over 30,000 flight delays, affecting millions of passengers.
Manual Operations: Many airports (such as those in India, Europe, and Taiwan’s Taoyuan International Airport) were forced to revert to “primitive methods,” using handwritten boarding passes and manual roll calls to process passenger boarding.
Prestigious_Try5295@reddit
That was not caused by a Windows update lol… you’re talking about the Crowdstrike incident…
Infiniti_151@reddit
Indian government agencies use BOSS Linux which is based on Debian and Cinnamon.
CaptainObvious110@reddit
good move. now stick with it absolutely
RedactedMate@reddit
Windows is gone in france, LETS GO
dClauzel@reddit
Ola, not so fast… There is still the whole Éducation Nationale.
dhaillant@reddit
Exactly.
In my region, we used to have Linux servers. They were all replaced by Windows in 2025.
Two months later, they got hacked. 🙄
vazark@reddit
Everybody keep calm but it looks like the year of the linux desktop is approaching
Natural_Night9957@reddit
What about the datacenters?
AnonomousWolf@reddit (OP)
Datacenters already all run on Linux
Natural_Night9957@reddit
Kinda misleading, that comment was barely about the OS
AnonomousWolf@reddit (OP)
What do you mean?
Datacenters don't run windows / mac
Natural_Night9957@reddit
Who controls their infrastructure?
AnonomousWolf@reddit (OP)
The system administrators?
Natural_Night9957@reddit
Yes but not only. Their physical infra worldwide as well.
AnonomousWolf@reddit (OP)
We're talking about Operating systems.
You're being extremely vague. I don't know what you're trying to ask or what point you're trying to make.
Natural_Night9957@reddit
You're looking at this through a very narrow lens; you probably haven't thought this through in any real depth. Maybe you're just a kid. Data sovereignty goes way beyond the choice of operating system. Just think about the firewalls in place in China and Russia.
Puzzleheaded_Web6217@reddit
Well its a good time for adoption say what you want. Linux is just becoming mainstream not only on servers... I had to install 3 machines to gamers in neighborhood that couldn't afford to buy RAM for their Gaming PC.
emcell@reddit
germany should do this too
QuirkyImage@reddit
Several German local governments have tried this and it wasn’t plan sailing iirc some went back.
protoanarchist@reddit
This is such an amazing thing that all governments should be doing.
Informal_Drawing@reddit
Britain too please!
Hit them in the wallet, the filthy swallochs.
barnaboos@reddit
We literally have a British company that has easily the capability of creating a government distro and implementing it at scale but the government give palantir IT contracts while talking about "digital sovereignty" and "investing in British buismess".
Informal_Drawing@reddit
And this mysterious company would be whom?
I'm sure we have many ways of doing similar things.
Our government is corrupt and staffed by idiots, we all know this.
barnaboos@reddit
Canonical.
geng2608@reddit
Laugh in France administration where they will take decades to move from windows. Hein Gilbert.
Miss_Might@reddit
Good. The techbro rejects deserve it for their shitty software and politics.
Ill_Scientist_2239@reddit
In here, kerala, we've already moved on from windows in government schools and offices. The state syllabus teaches ubuntu along with libreoffice instead of windows and ms office, which is still the preferred choice in central syllabus.
SithLordRising@reddit
Go France!!
Ok-Review9023@reddit
First the monarchy, now Microsoft. The French really know how to pull off a good revolution.
Crackalacking_Z@reddit
Guillotine sharpening intensifies, Copilot breaks into cold sweat XD
Neat-Emergency-6879@reddit
God i wish my dumbass country would move to Linux. I work for our government and am stuck using windows every day for work, its horrible, I also have no idea how to use it so im extra shit at my job.
egorf@reddit
With age verification, right? Right?
Archiver_test4@reddit
the fork and flavour of linux that french are builing should sustain itself. we have a great example of "bharat open source software" BOSS linux by india which quietly died because there was no push, it was a half hearted attempt to nationalize linux without any clear push or goal.
DecentraSphere@reddit
Go France! 🇫🇷🐧💪
harshreacre@reddit
French are always one step ahead of everybody when it comes to Revolution