Canadian official delivers a message in code
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Posted by caramelsumo@reddit | 4chan | View on Reddit | 213 comments
Fearless_Ad_8562@reddit
DON'T REDEEM IT!!!
chilidog17@reddit
So I looked up the acronym, what the hell are "two spirited people"?
bring_back_3rd@reddit
It was some random bullshit a woman came up with in the 90s.
MisterBungle00@reddit
It should be noted that while the term itself was formalized in the 1990s, the concepts and roles it refers to go back centuries in various Indigenous societies.
bring_back_3rd@reddit
Whatever
MisterBungle00@reddit
Yeah, whatever. I can only speak for my tribe and the ones I'm familiar with or have kinship ties to and I'm from the Southwest. We tend to have a lot more intact than other tribes in other parts of NA.. To name a few there is the Nádleehi (Navajo), Lhamana (Zuni), Winkte (Lakota), and Baté (Crow), and Hova(Hopi).
At one time we Navajos had sash belts specifically for those people, but they, along with women and twins, abandoned this practice and other traditional clothing during Naahondzood and the Long Walk as it made them easily identifiable to slavers.
Also, the 21 Pueblo tribes(Hopi, Zuni, Laguna, etc.) are among the oldest cultures in the United States; with the Hopi having the longest record of continuous habitation in North America. This is also where many Navajo adopted practices and traditions from. Some of the oldest and largest Navajo clans even emerged from the various Pueblos and Ancestral Puebloans.
Even the many Apache bands had their own people like this. As another person mentioned; Lozen was one of these people.
It would be difficult to find a tribe that rejects the idea that such roles existed in their history. This isn’t some foreign idea or baseless conjecture imposed on Indigenous nations/tribes/bands/clans/etc. and most actually had these roles historically and culturally.
But yeah, whatever; lmao.
AtomicMonkeyTheFirst@reddit
I don't even need to know because I already hate them.
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
When your acronym has to include everyone or you hate minorities.
ptjp27@reddit
“Missing and Murdered indigenous men can fuck off we don’t care about them “
crystal-myth@reddit
I know Indigenous men asked to be included in the acronym because the whole point is that it represents an awareness movement and is important to the activist discourse of the movement. Apparently it is more important to include LGBT identity than to include boys and men. It should be changed to MMIP (P=people).
HolyBidetServitor@reddit
I'm of the opinion that 2spirit is white newspeak propaganda. would've already been in lexicon considering whites have Been here 500 years so why are we only hearing it the last few years?.. Which tribe practiced this, and why do activists just paint all natives like this?
MisterBungle00@reddit
While the term itself was formalized in the 1990s, the concepts and roles it refers to go back centuries in various Indigenous societies.
HolyBidetServitor@reddit
I'm wondering which specific society/original indigenous nation(s) practiced this, because i wouldn't be surprised if some tribal cultures were against that and don't want it applied to their culture.
MisterBungle00@reddit
I can only speak for my tribe and the ones I'm familiar with or have kinship ties to and I'm from the Southwest. We tend to have a lot more intact than other tribes in other parts of NA.. To name a few there is the Nádleehi (Navajo), Lhamana (Zuni), Winkte (Lakota), and Baté (Crow), and Hova(Hopi).
At one time we Navajos had sash belts specifically for those people, but they, along women and twins, abandoned this practice and other traditional clothing during Naahondzood and the Long Walk as it made them easily identifiable to slavers.
Also, the 21 Pueblo tribes(Hopi, Zuni, Laguna, etc.) are among the oldest cultures in the United States; with the Hopi having the longest record of continuous habitation in North America. This is also where many Navajo adopted practices and traditions from. Some of the oldest and largest Navajo clans even emerged from the various Pueblos and Ancestral Puebloans.
Even the many Apache bands had their own people like this. As another person mentioned; Lozen was one of these people.
crystal-myth@reddit
The term has been around since the 90s. I am not part of the LGBT+ community so I only know the bare bones of it or, a better way to put it, I don't have the history of it memorized and held dear to my heart.
It was, IIRC, created as a pan tribal term by gay Natives to include living and historically known people who did not follow gender norms. An historic example would be the warrior Lozen, who died as a POW of the US government. Lozen was a woman but she did not follow traditional gender roles of the women of her particular Apache tribe. I don't know if she didn't consider herself a man but reportedly, she never married, had no children, and fought in many battles.
As to why you are only just now hearing of the term. This is a common barrier of understanding when it comes issues that affect indigenous people: hyper-invisibility.
It's only because of social media that more people are becoming aware of modern indigenous people, their problems and cultures. There is a modern phrase many indigenous people use which is, sadly, "We are still here", because the world at large tends to forget about the existence of indigenous people.
ptjp27@reddit
Multiplying by zero regardless of it being funny that they exclude men. Trying to include murdered people by race is incredibly irrelevant in your grouping of sexualities. Being murdered isn’t a sexuality.
CoSh@reddit
It's because it's a news topic. The idea isn't justice for murdered people, it's that indigenous women have been going missing or murdered and police haven't done much about it for decades.
The specific attention is to "address injustices" but really it's just lip service to pull in more votes.
ptjp27@reddit
Ok but why doesn’t the acronym include women sex trafficked in Liberia if we’re expected to include about random bullshit in our acronyms for the gay community now?
CoSh@reddit
Because women sex trafficked in Liberia isn't a historical issue in Canada?
ptjp27@reddit
Historical issues in Canada aren’t part of sexuality.
CoSh@reddit
The term is referring to a "national action plan", not strictly sexuality.
crystal-myth@reddit
This is the equivalent of if Black Lives Matter was forced to add LGBT+ to it's acronym due to social pressure to be inclusive so that it became BLMLGBT+. MMIWG has little to nothing to do with LGBT+. Though Two Spirit is added in occasionally by lone individuals because that is a native coined term to describe non-gender conforming indigenous people, so as to not disrespect the missing and murdered who would not have been happy to be misgendered - I do not care for it but it is what it is. I would rather just include all indigenous people so the acronym would be MMIP.
This feels like a social issue being hijacked by the larger, much more influential group of LGBT+ folk who demand to be included everywhere in every discussion.
ReallyTeddyRoosevelt@reddit
Its Canada, they are covered under the "gay" part.
LordJanas@reddit
How is being murdered a sexuality?
zackit@reddit
Finally a progressive enough nation to recognize necrophilia as a legitimate kink
IcyPride2973@reddit
MAP wasn’t even close to the tip
Loathe_the_Hive@reddit
Map is worse that necro. Worse than everything.
firefly-lullaby05@reddit
i take it you haven't spent a lot of time around white women and that should be commended on your part
HoodsInSuits@reddit
☕️
untakenu@reddit
I turns me on thinking about it
vitringur@reddit
It's not. It is a list of a group of victims.
McCrackenYouUp@reddit
I'm all for inclusion but I always felt that LGBT etc. was supposed to cover the living.
toddhillier@reddit
If you say that too loud in Canada they’ll freeze your bank accounts.
ComradePotato@reddit
Or just euthanize you
Ausfall@reddit
I'm dying to find out
pat_spiegel@reddit
Canada can even assist with the dying part, so convenient!
hEdHntr_@reddit
you could say they can medically assist in that regard [rimshot]
Bum_King@reddit
That was his joke, genius.
girlgamerpoi@reddit
Oh wow necrophilia or something 😨
sadacal@reddit
Because the acronym isn't for sexuality? It's used to refer to missing and murdered minorities.
ThisUsernameis21Char@reddit
Actually it's indigenous women and girls specifically, men can fuck off
OiledUpThug@reddit
"Missing and murdered minorities" why didn't they just call it that
xelleseittaneu@reddit
Murder victims are a minority
HitIerWasWrong@reddit
Ask your local VFW why they fly a POW/MIA pride flag to find out.
EXQUISITE_WIZARD@reddit
It's the women who write to serial killers in prison. And maybe some dudes too ig
CptAlbatross@reddit
What the fuck is two spirit?
FuckAllYouLosers@reddit
Just don't ask who is making those indigenous girls go missing and be murdered....
crystal-myth@reddit
You must be Canadian. What you are leaving unsaid does not bear out in the US, which also uses the original acronym.
FuckAllYouLosers@reddit
It's indigenous men. That is who is abducting and killing 97% of these missing women.
crystal-myth@reddit
The only stat I found that matched this 97% number is the number of indigenous women who experienced violence at the hands of a non-native person. That is a US statistic though and I cannot find anything near that percentage for Canada.
If you didn't know, most women are murdered/raped/etc. by their own partners. This is true for indigenous women as well but unlike most other women, indigenous women are more likely to marry or date outside of their race than other groups. We are talking around 50% interracial relationships here and the men they are marrying or cohabiting with are usually white. So how could it possibly be that 97% of indigenous women are being killed by indigenous men? The stats for indigenous men is pretty much the same as it is for indigenous men when it comes to marriage and partners btw, and just like the indigenous women, the men usually date white women.
It doesn't add up, man.
FuckAllYouLosers@reddit
You are full of shit buddy.
crystal-myth@reddit
I don't know how, but I knew you were gonna give this kind of response.
Bacon_Nipples@reddit
Israel
shinsnatcher@reddit
No pretty sure it's the other middle eastern death cult that murders women
Bacon_Nipples@reddit
Found the Israeli
Foolishly_Sane@reddit
That's a lot of things.
untakenu@reddit
Fucking canadians.
Mountainman_11@reddit
Wtf is a two-spirit now?
Impossibro77@reddit
Mental illness.
crystal-myth@reddit
A modern term coined in the 90s to represent living and historical people who don't/didn't conform to traditional gender roles. An historic example would be Lozen. She was a warrior who fought the US government and died as a POW. She knew and fought alongside Geronimo.
ProbablyTheWurst@reddit
Indigenous thing that means having both "male" and "female" souls within you
Taken_Abroad_Book@reddit
Furrys.
Not even joking.
patrickstarismyhero@reddit
So what theyre saying is they dont care about missing Indian women, or Palestinian women, or Chinese women. Why would they include one specific nationality and not all of them?
HandyProduceHaver@reddit
Just say weirdos atp
gorlomee@reddit
???
ZapMannigan@reddit
I think when you decode the acronym properly it's "Missing and Murdered Indigenous Woman and Girls, Two Spirit (Another indigenous term, then the usual."
You gotta consider the speaker, she's obviously speaking about her issues first but couching it in the gay rights.
gorlomee@reddit
That makes more sense, when I looked it at again I figured that's probably what it meant.
...but still, what the hell do "Missing and Murdered Indigenous Woman and Girls" have to do with being gay? Are these people even trying to make sense?
Momongus-@reddit
It’s less of a sexuality thing and more of a "generally wronged by society" thing these days
Papasmurf345@reddit
Well then we definitely need to add “gamers” to the acronym. I guess we are already covered under “gaymers” though.
Timeon@reddit
I mean, the new acronym is pretty gay.
Snoot_Boot@reddit
Is Canada the gayest country in the world?
Mythic343@reddit
Two spirit or questioning???
horiami@reddit
Didn't the whole indians under a school thing turn out to be false ?
Mohr_Cox@reddit
They were tree roots, if i remember correctly.
schmitzel88@reddit
The inclusion of two-spirit is stupid because that's a fundamentally different thing than gender as we know it normally. It's patronizing to include it with everything else here, in the same way saying latinx makes you look like a dumbass
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
So is being indigenous tho…
Manufactured-Aggro@reddit
"Questioning" okayy cmon now, when i do that i'm antisemitic ???
Salticracker@reddit
First time interacting with a Canada?
LooseButtPlug@reddit
I hear they like to be called Syrupeans.
Bacon_Nipples@reddit
Saving this for when we join the EU
Cadoan@reddit
That's fucking hilarious
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Adderall--@reddit
I just wanna say your doing an excellent job, 👍🏼
foukoshima@reddit
If you enter this code on HOLY you get a lifetime supply of goyslop
angus22proe@reddit
according to google it stands for Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women, Girls, and Two-Spirit, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, and Asexual+
what?
OneEnvironmental9222@reddit
Yeah I think the whole thing really is just a plot to destroy our morales and cultures
LooseButtPlug@reddit
I remember when it was just LGB
countrybreakfast1@reddit
I'd be annoyed if I was the LG and we fought for like 40 years for equal rights and to be respected then the B got added on (mostly a bunch of straight women lying) and the T got added (bunch of psycho freaks) delegitamizing everything we worked for. Also the flag is so much uglier now.
BanIfYouRGhey@reddit
Can’t help but cannibalize themselves
Grouchy-Sun-2039@reddit
Here in Germany we went a step further with FLINTA, which means Female, Lesbian (as if that wasn't covered with Female), Intersex, Non-binary, Trans, Asexual. Gay cis men are the new straights.
BanIfYouRGhey@reddit
Crazy atomization
countrybreakfast1@reddit
It's really progressivisms greatest weakness. They just can't say no to anyone no matter how delusional or insane or bad they are. The homeless crack head on the street? We have to defend him and base public policy around him. The black teen who commits senseless crime for funsies? We have to change the legal system to protect them.
BanIfYouRGhey@reddit
And the fact that there is no endpoint where they can say “Yeah I think we’re done here”
edbods@reddit
these kind of people will never be satisfied, no matter how much you bend backwards (or over) for them.
GCseedling@reddit
You should really look into “gay culture”.
Bambooboogieboi@reddit
There is a small group of people who really are just LGB and dont fw the rest of them. I seem to remember a FB group titles "Bisexuals against Bi Erasure" or some other shit.
TNTspaz@reddit
They had pretty much a home run with the original pride flag. Now it's treated as a bit of a joke. They all just bend over for the new flag too. Don't even see the old flag used like at all anymore. Throwing away any influence the flag ever held.
countrybreakfast1@reddit
Used to be like a nice rainbo ok cool. Not it's got brown? Black? The fuck is that?
SaintJimmy1@reddit
Black and brown people are now gay by default as of 2020.
horiami@reddit
The problem is the og rainbow was public domain and everyone could use it
The "progress flag" is licensed
MikuEmpowered@reddit
LGBT+ should have covered everything. But they wanted to be "seen", so they keep fighting to add more letters.
Now the POS just gets longer and longer and longer. You throw this BS out there, not only is it terrible naming, because no one is going to remember that shit. No one is also going to take it serious. Because why even have the + sign at the end?
gamamoder@reddit
great to know that my cock sucking is straight cuz i like women too
Falcon84@reddit
It really is so tragic for them. The more nonsense they add on to this the less seriously they are taken.
girlgamerpoi@reddit
LG the Korean brand. Or KGB. It doesn't sound as good as LGBT but still way better than that text glob they use.
2peg2city@reddit
the , between women and girls should be "and"
cata2k@reddit
Upgrade to Asexual+ today!
angus22proe@reddit
Only 29.99 a month
Zer0_SUM0@reddit
We literally already have a word for all of those things and they won't let me post it.
RatioTechnical234@reddit
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SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit
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OiledUpThug@reddit
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AbyssinianReborn@reddit
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hEdHntr_@reddit
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DieDieMustCurseDaily@reddit
Goodbye
shinsnatcher@reddit
🚬?
real_roal@reddit
I'm cool with LGBT people, but this shit is just blatantly a virtue signal. I don't understand why you would decide to play into the "alphabet bunch" jokes by just adding even more letters. Atp it would be better to just unite under the term queer since by defenition that is what everyone who isnt heterosexual or cis is.
countrybreakfast1@reddit
Why do natives have to like... Shoe horn themselves in there? Why is "questioning" considered a protected class? There is a reason minorities are the way they are.
whodatboi_420@reddit
MMIWG and 2SLGBTQ
elreduro@reddit
Base64 is 0d@>
toddhillier@reddit
We really still need a fucking “+” at the end?
OiledUpThug@reddit
The + is the part that makes 90% of it redundant. Like someone saw the other category and thought they still had to add numbers for two spirit
philmarcracken@reddit
how dare u
finally some decent fucking representation!
horiami@reddit
The first q was supposed to be an umbrella term
Then it was the plus
exilus92@reddit
do not underestimate the dept of their imagination when it comes to inventing new "victims". The acronym could be 295 characters long and they would still need that plus or else someone will scream about how everyone who doesn't include it is a nazi
dinnerbird@reddit
The activist autistic types use the infinity symbol to represent the community, I think it's as equally stupid as the puzzle piece
Puschkin@reddit
This is seriously underrated comment.
Dr_Bumfluff_Esq@reddit
The + is for paedophiles.
Demonweed@reddit
Of course -- if it was a celibate "+" then it wouldn't be about sexuality.
angus22proe@reddit
For all the other mental illnesses people have
hfFvx4G6xU4ZEgzhSM9g@reddit
They're actually insane. There's no other way around it.
TNTspaz@reddit
If you want to see some of the most unintentionally funniest videos on the internet. Look up the NDP Convention.
Those videos that went around with stuff like "point of privilege" that all of reddit was coping about for years. The NDP is basically those guys but on steroid. Mfers have privilege cards they carry around with them that they use to determine who gets to speak.
They have an extremely outsized cultural influence for how little real power they actually have in the government.
Supremely_Zesty@reddit
What explains the conservatives MPs jumping ship and handing the liberals a majority?
horiami@reddit
They need someon to fight
Supremely_Zesty@reddit
who? There's more opportunity to fight when you are the opposition
AI_655321@reddit
Little pp is actually a big dick.
2peg2city@reddit
If I recall, that was a stunt by some of the attendees, as speakers were registered in advance but they were mad they were near the bottom of the list.
untakenu@reddit
Remember when GSM was a thing? Gender and sexual minority.
It seemed like a pretty good all-encompassing label.
I know it isn't the point because people don't want a one-size-fits-all label. They want to feel unique and directly labelled.
LogLegoMan@reddit
Why is there a fucking number in there?!?
M4gikarp@reddit
2 souls
countrybreakfast1@reddit
That's like... The one they made up for indians right?
untakenu@reddit
Yeah, and it wasn't actually a big thing. IIRC it's basically some new age spirituality combined with the "ah, the peaceful nature-loving native" form of condescending.
HolyBidetServitor@reddit
Yea its the propaganda newspeak one that they apply to all first nations folk
C_umputer@reddit
They are all made up either way
Snoot_Boot@reddit
Which Indians?
DronkeyDangus@reddit
feather+dot=2 indians
The_Peen_Wizard@reddit
That's how you know it was really good.
ImNotABotScoutsHonor@reddit
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DronkeyDangus@reddit
in case anyone was wondering you are not allowed to say the two different types in the colloquial format in a single comment
Bum_King@reddit
Feather
Taken_Abroad_Book@reddit
Oops
Phteven_j@reddit
It’s 2 spirit cmon man
Hagura71@reddit
Beyond:
burgonies@reddit
Did I hear a “niner”?
I_cut_my_own_jib@reddit
It's a reference to Halo 2
MetaCommando@reddit
Halo 2 LASO runners should be there
Silenceisgrey@reddit
Were but it so easy.
MikuEmpowered@reddit
These people in my government are truly disabled.
Like the whole reason it's called LGBT+, THE FKING PLUS SIGN INCLUDES EVERYTING ELSE.
Now they're attaching murdered people, like that's not a sexuality you dum fuks.
IANVS@reddit
"Everything else? I'm not 'everything else', you bigot, I must be named specifically or you're violating my person!"
MikuEmpowered@reddit
I feel likes these morons are so lost in their bullshit sauce they forgot acronym are suppose to be short, easy to remember, and say.
The shorter and easier, the more powerful it gets. It's like the flag. Rainbow flag should be the unifying flag. One flag, one name, one voice. And the group becomes stronger as a result.
At this point, I can't tell if they're actually trying to promote them selves or are they trying for self sabotage.
toddhillier@reddit
To use their language, the true sign of privilege is having so little to complain about that you start inventing new sexualities.
Zek0ri@reddit
Recommended strong password
Legoking@reddit
The 2 is for 2b2t gamers, the most oppressed minority of them all.
Kingofcheeses@reddit
2 fast 2 furious
RichardInaTreeFort@reddit
2 shits… as in nobody gives
TrumpDesWillens@reddit
2edgy
angus22proe@reddit
reverse algebra
Avengedx47@reddit
Monsters, Mannys, Islamists , wolfies, gay 2 straights, largies, guros, brownies, transformers, queens, quickly install apple+?
Edited to remove triggers from the robots in disguise
RotarySam27@reddit
Quickly install apple+ sent me lmao
Red_Shepherd_13@reddit
Can you at least let the + do its job for some of this shit?
pondermoreau@reddit
lol the + means plus sized not 'and others'
SplashingChicken@reddit
I hope the US invades Canada.
vitringur@reddit
And she still forgot "P"...
TheDiddlerOfBob@reddit
I identify as 2
M00ncar@reddit
Queer gay?
RaccoonSkinRug@reddit
Let’s gather ‘round the campfire
And sing our campfire song.
Our MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+ song.
csky@reddit
At this point just call it "not white male" person. Why even bother.
AgentSkidMarks@reddit
Why even add the + if you're just going to give everything a letter anyway?
Vanished_I-X@reddit
modern warfare 2 is my sexuality
Alive-Big-838@reddit
Canada is a country where the government doesn't represent the people, but nobody ever takes the time to put someone better in tbh.
IMR800X@reddit
It's a modem initialization string for dial-up internet.
SaintSnow@reddit
Like the Konami code
Mr__Castle_@reddit
Wouldn't it just be easier to say Not White or Straight?
NWS community stand up.
girlgamerpoi@reddit
This. They try so hard to hide it but it just makes them stupid. Better just be direct and honest
FrogOnABus@reddit
Will the missing indigenous women be marching alongside the gay fellas in leather fetish gear at the parade?
IANVS@reddit
This is what happens whrn mental illness gets normalized.
HotelEchoNovember@reddit
What's the point of the "+" if they're just gonna keep adding letters?
Zoltarr777@reddit
If you get rid of the + they might be done, but if you keep it on you can keep adding. They haven't even used all the letters yet, gotta give them time.
BrocoliAssassin@reddit
The people formerly known as people.
JunosArmpits@reddit
I remember when these "people" were against labels
an-com-42@reddit
I'm bi and as left wing as you can go. This is retarded
original_dick_kickem@reddit
I think these guys missed the point of an acronym. Aint a single soul on earth remembering all those letters
ItalianFrogPuncher@reddit
The LGBT in general is already battling tooth and nails to make a fetish (Troons) something acceptable. Imagine fighting for over 40 years just for the LG part only for porn rotten losers to try and join your team, make your movement lose all credibility and then hear about “Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women” adding themselves to the mix.
I would genuinely kill myself.
gamamoder@reddit
woke 3
AccessTheMainframe@reddit
For the record this women isn't in the government and is a member of a small opposition party
radioraven1408@reddit
How many gays right now are like ‘wtf, get off our train.’ The trans co-op of gay pride needs to be studied.
Judah_Earl@reddit
What fire-water and peyote does to a MF...
Bergen_is_here@reddit
>Leafbros, are you okay?
What do you think?
leastemployableman@reddit
Brb gunna use the MAID booth behind the Tim Hortons in Scanterbury.
sparticulator@reddit
We're not just ok. We're fabulous.
Sharky-Li@reddit
Do these people actually think anyone will use this or take them seriously? I bet they can't even remember what each one stands for without looking it up.
AtomicMonkeyTheFirst@reddit
Mega Men, Interchangable Wiggers Girls, 2 Slurpers, Lesbian , Gay, Bi, Transexual, Q-continum, Quasi-sexual, Apple-sexual +?
idk, that's all I've got.
austin101123@reddit
Mark my intents, we got 2 stop (lgbt)?
ZMowlcher@reddit
It feels satirical
TrumpDesWillens@reddit
Ayy my new wifi password
Adderall--@reddit
Did they update the flag at least? I don’t want to be a bigot flying the old one.
Vitality_VZ@reddit
zerking_off@reddit
Gift Card code, do not redeem saar
Capnmarvel76@reddit
Question for the oldies - Wasn’t that the Windows XP key everyone used?
Avengedx47@reddit
Clearly stands for Monsters, Mannys, Islamists, wolfies, gay 2 straights, largies, guros, brownies, troons, queers quickly install apple+?
kojimbob@reddit
What kinda voodoo shit is this
FuckAllYouLosers@reddit
Wow, being lesbian is no longer the most important!