Companies should pay employees to learn new skills during their commutes
Posted by CryptoUsher@reddit | CrazyIdeas | View on Reddit | 49 comments
I was thinking about how much time we waste commuting and how companies are always looking for ways to get their employees to learn new things, so why not pay them to take online courses or watch educational videos during their daily commute, it would be a win win for everyone.
Fantastic_Charm3451@reddit
They already do when they are at work. They don't need more hours from you. Do you want to be made redundant because they are giving other employees more hours?
Desperate_Nature1773@reddit
Why the fuck would my employer pay me money to learn new things if it doesn't benefit them??? Like what?? Are you just being lazy and don't want to work lol...
ffpeanut15@reddit
Because this is likely a bot lol. They are caught hallucinating bullshits on r/LocalLLama lol
Empty_Requirement940@reddit
How exactly would I watch an educational video while driving
Nicelyvillainous@reddit
I’m assuming OP is talking about public transit commutes. Perhaps they live somewhere in Europe where a sitting down train commute is more common.
UsedNegotiation8227@reddit
I assumed everyone that uses public transit was jobless.
Dave_A480@reddit
The US has a 7% public transit utilization rate.
We don't want to live in large cities full of apartments, so we built the country around driving....
SendohJin@reddit
the auto industry lobbied for this, it wasn't an option.
Nicelyvillainous@reddit
Yep. Trolleys used to have absolute right of way and were always on time. Car companies ripped them out and replaced them with bus lines, which are affected by traffic and become unreliable, so more people drive, causing worse traffic, forcing more people to buy cars so they would t be late to work.
Dave_A480@reddit
Trolleys were ripped out long after everyone had already moved to the suburbs....
You have the cart before the horse....
Dave_A480@reddit
No, they did not.
The auto industry's products allowed a universal desire to get OUT of apartments to become possible....
No amount of lobbying money can make people like living somewhere they don't want to live....
LegOfLamb89@reddit
When public transit is well done its used by everyone. My girlfriend is a lawyer and takes public transit to work daily
CapitalistFemboy@reddit
It’s fairly difficult to have a good public transit when everything is so spaced apart, which is often the case in the US. It’s another matter in the cities, but not everyone lives or wants to live in a city.
THedman07@reddit
Its actually fairly difficult and very expensive to build an entire transportation system based on personal vehicle ownership... We just don't actually calculate it because it makes us feel stupid.
Infrastructure is hard. It also involves making choices... like we choose to build freeways instead of public transit.
CapitalistFemboy@reddit
If everyone is spread apart you don’t have many alternatives
THedman07@reddit
You're right. Public transportation is impossible despite all the places where it exists.
CapitalistFemboy@reddit
I never said it’s impossible. In densely populated areas, it can be done with great results.
Nicelyvillainous@reddit
What counts as densely populated? 80% of the US lives in what is considered urban areas. 39% lives in what is considered urban core areas. Only like 7% are able to use public transit for a daily commute.
CapitalistFemboy@reddit
I never said that public transit in the US is as developed as it can be. It could be improved. Still, many areas are not suitable for public transit. Other areas are borderline, and a private car is still preferred by people, since it’s faster.
Nicelyvillainous@reddit
Yes, wilderness areas, and largely undeveloped and unpopulated farmland are not places anyone is suggesting public transit for.
The majority of the US lives clustered together, with big gaps between the clusters that are sparsely populated. What EVERYONE means by public transit, is publicly funded buses and trains which come regularly for local areas, occasionally run daily or a few times a day from smaller local hubs to bigger cities, and trains, plans, and buses that run maybe daily or weekly from big cities to other big cities.
So someone living in a suburban town of a few thousand people could take a bus which leaves every 3 hours to a train station on the outskirts of a 500k person city 45 minutes away, and could the next day catch the train to a city a few hours away, and then at the train station within an hour take a local subway to a suburban neighborhood of that city and and 20 minutes later catch a bus and get off three blocks away from family. And that this travel would cost maybe a day’s wages at minimum wage.
No one wants hourly bus routes in the scrubland and cow farms and desert that the train crosses going between the cities. If you live in a village that’s a highway stop, has two bars and 3 churches and 470 people live there, you are SOL. But that’s not most people. Most people should get public transit unless they want to live in the wilderness.
Like… let’s put it this way. Anywhere you have a public utility company instead of wells and septic tanks, you should have accessible public transit.
CapitalistFemboy@reddit
Nobody is going to use buses that run every three hours. Even hourly is too long for buses, it’s okay maybe for trains. You can add all the public transit you want, people will still prefer cars if they have to wait that long and organize their day around bus schedule.
Nicelyvillainous@reddit
I mean over 80% of people in the US live in a city. Compared to like 83% of say, France. Yeah, no one expects to have good public transit to individual farmhouses or trailer parks, but MOST people should have good quality transit.
You COULD say that we should expect to not have hourly trains leaving BETWEEN cities because of the bigger distances, but that’s really the only difference we should be seeing, not a lack of ability to go everywhere within a city cheaply and easily and comfortably with good quality transit.
Dave_A480@reddit
Sorry, but no.
The 80% urban statistic from the Census includes every 2500 person horse town as 'urban'.
Only 26% of Americans live in dense cities...
The suburbs make up 54% (ergo cars everywhere) and rural is 20%.
The census just lumps the suburbs in with the major cities.
Nicelyvillainous@reddit
So what? Smaller towns of 10k people with a high enough density still make sense to have public transit. And I see a stat of 39% living in incorporated cities of over 50,000.
Also, the Census changed that criteria in 2020, it needs to be 5,000 people now. That’s not going to be like 10 blocks, it’s going to be a few square miles. They still need some kind of transit for the elderly that don’t drive for example. Maybe they only have a few buses, but still.
Dave_A480@reddit
5,000 people is 1250 homes on 1 acre lots... So one large-sh subdivision....
No need for transit there.... If you're too old to drive a car that's probably not where you're going to live....
The overall stats - 7% non-single-occupant-car commutes, 70% living in single family homes, 74% suburban/rural development - point to the exact sort of transportation infrastructure we have as being optimal.
'No, we really don't have to accommodate every possible lifestyle from tents up through high-rised in every possible community' is a perfectly valid choice...
Just like 'own a SFH and car or don't live here' is.
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LegOfLamb89@reddit
Yeah sure, but the person j was replying to said everyone using public transit was jobless and that's a wild generalization. Also, your small towns weren't designed with public transit in mind, in fact it was the opposite. It's actually an interesting topic, and has its roots in segregation oddly enough
Dave_A480@reddit
It doesn't have its roots in segregation, or car industry lobbying, or any of the other conspiracy theories....
Americans just hate living in multifamily housing.
Empty_Requirement940@reddit
Public transit works so much better in Europe because housing is far more compact. The USA is so spread out even anywhere outside of large cities
not_so_wierd@reddit
Ding! Found the american.
UsedNegotiation8227@reddit
Peasant
Fun-Dragonfly-4166@reddit
you would find a way.
companies should pay for your accidents since they require you to work while driving.
Megalocerus@reddit
I took the Commuter Rail for 11 years, but mostly just read a kindle or an actual book. Not sure I could have studied in that environment, but it was fine doing it at work. My boss's boss took a bus from NH to Boston, and did work remote on the way; I'm not sure how much was basically email.
fieldsofanfieldroad@reddit
Don't think and drive! But yeah, that sounds like a crazy idea.
Justame13@reddit
Or just pay for their tuition.
The Union my employees belong to have the company paying for up to a bachelors on top of an agreement the company has with a couple of universities. I think it takes \~6-7 years if they don't want to pay anything and max out everything.
They can also apply the stipend to certifications but there is a limit.
On top of my boss (their 3rd line) having the ability to pay for training for anyone.
And yes I'm in the US.
0x14f@reddit
And then the employees will leave for better jobs once they are skilled up.
therealCatnuts@reddit
If you don’t have to worry about employees leaving for a better job it’s because they’re shit employees. Find ways to keep the good ones.
0x14f@reddit
True!
BellendBuilder@reddit
That’s why you write caveats into contracts that claws back money pro rata from the employee if they leave through whatever reason within a certain time frame.
Common in both industries own a business in.
If my guys believe they need a course I don’t already provide for them, and they can justify why it would benefit their role and the business I’ll fire them straight through with that caveat.
0x14f@reddit
Interesting. Is this a US thing?, because I have never heard of it in Europe. I wonder whether this is legal here...
BellendBuilder@reddit
I’m English mate
0x14f@reddit
Oh wow! I think, thanks, to you, I have learnt something today :)
BellendBuilder@reddit
No worries.
It’s probably not as prevalent in companies where you pre-requisite qualifications, but my businesses high level/risk security and construction.
So our guys rely more on courses which we call “tickets” to level up. These courses don’t come cheap.
So for context I not too long ago put a skilled labourer through a Tower Crane Operator, as he’s a grafter, switched on and he shouldn’t be a labourer for the rest of his life, and we do need a crane guy on some sites.
A 10 day course cost me inc VAT just shy of £4100. Then I have to replace him for 10 days whilst he does the course. Then the difference between his wage costs and a recruitment firm mark up for a temp worker was £800ish. So let’s round it to £5k for 2 working weeks. For 1 guy to do 1 course. You can claim VAT back at the year end etc but it’s still £4k business cost in real terms.
I’m not going to include his wage increase once qualified and working as a crane operator as that’s just a running business cost.
So if he then went cheers Bellend I’m off, I’m £4k down and I then need to find a new crane guy, and I need to keep paying the agency their rate as he’s not going back to his old role until I can find a permanent replacement.
I’m not a huge company, so it’s purely to protect the business.
0x14f@reddit
Ah.... I see... Yes. That makes perfect sense. Thanks for the context!
Available_Reveal8068@reddit
I don't think this is something that could be paid time (all my engineers are salaried), but my company does pay for educational materials (like online courses) that are for professional development.
TheHvam@reddit
Not sure how I would learn much while driving to and from work, sure I could listen to something, but I wouldn't be able to focus fully on that.
winifredjay@reddit
Good incentive for using public transport. And living further away.
SentenceAwkward5302@reddit
Already happening..