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SBJeeper@reddit

I know what the problem is, at got no air in them tires

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Goonie-Googoo-@reddit

Plane still in service... https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N536JB

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Goonie-Googoo-@reddit

Every time JBU292 comes up, I keep coming back to this gem from Opie and Anthony with late comedian Patrice O'Neal...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=ayLq0VCT9nA

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Helpful_Car1302@reddit

So impressive that strut did not give way.

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I worked at BF Goodrich landing gear division in the late 00's, Opa-Locka FL. The level of work and engineering involved in refurbishing, re-replating and reassembly always left me in awe. Truly impressive pieces of engineering and metallurgy.

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Life-Difference-6185@reddit

That kind of behind the-scenes work doesn’t get nearly enough credit. Most people just see the plane and don’t realize how much precision and care goes into something like landing gear until you hear from someone who’s actually been there.

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fontimus@reddit

I agree. And the folks that work on them are some of the most experienced and badass people on the planet - to me lol. Every step has its own department, and the warehouse was self-contained with whatever they needed - from spare cylinders and pins, to a brake line shop, to plating/paint, etc.

I miss that job. That warehouse got sold off during Goodrich's grand globalization scheme. I don't know what happened to their landing gear division, I just knew I was out of a job. Haha.

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That70sShop@reddit

Its a division of Temu, now; hence, the above pictures. . .

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Helpful_Car1302@reddit

That is great info!

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darxide23@reddit

They're designed for exactly for this contingency. It did it's job.

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putyrhandsup@reddit

Its still an extremely impressive job to be fair

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maddentim@reddit

I'm also impressed that the runaway did not give way!

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

Strut held up like a champ.

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That70sShop@reddit

Just rotate the flat spot to the top.

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Jetmutant@reddit

Pretty light damage for this type of failure

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hughk@reddit

I wonder what force was transmitted upwards? Undercarriage are designed for impact during landing, but still?

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Jetmutant@reddit

Inspections must be done on all the attach points, especially the drag link ( the arm that moves the gear downwards, there wasn’t damage at the upper mount points as there is not that much more upward forces than on a normal landing, just more force than normal pushing aft. Changed gear, did the inspections and back in n service inside three days.

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Jetmutant@reddit

Only took longer because of the sustained damage/inspections, routines gear change would be a single 10hr shift affair.

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hughk@reddit

An impressive turnaround.

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seanbmf@reddit

That was on N536JB, not Christine 503. This is a different one.

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Tauberl@reddit

Why is that incident coming up/being posted so often recently?

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Benjamin39Brown@reddit

Maybe the anniversary

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Techhead7890@reddit

Air India Express had something very similar in the last month or so: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1rqnsoz/phuket_airport_is_closed_after_a_landing_incident/

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RomanCessna@reddit

The difference is that this accisent was completely pilot induced, whereas the jetblue had a technical malfunction.

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Techhead7890@reddit

Yeah that's probably fair - for context it was a hard landing according to people who watched the footage - but the visual result with the landing gear breaking up is similar enough that laypeople will draw comparisons.

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DoctorMurk@reddit

My guess is that the wheel being turned 90 degrees is such a strange 'fault' that people assume it's a design flaw, which are always big news (it's actually somewhat designed to do that in the circumstance it was in).

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darxide23@reddit

New to reddit? Karma farm bots will repost anything that historically gets tons of upvotes.

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Techhead7890@reddit

Air India Express had something very similar in the last month or so: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1rqnsoz/phuket_airport_is_closed_after_a_landing_incident/

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

Not sure. Someone else posted the video and it reminded me that I had photos of the landing gear and wheels so I made another post.

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vman3241@reddit

I feel like this incident and LOT 16 are kinda overrated. The pilots just had to make a careful landing to avoid casualties

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strumthebuilding@reddit

I was going to ask the same thing

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LocalRemoteComputer@reddit

The runway will need a new white line.

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ephix@reddit

So surprised the runway didn't get damaged. Is that normal?

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Pixie_UK@reddit

It might be if it is a military grade runway.

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krazy_kh@reddit

Yeah same, I was thinking that there would a gash in the runway

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buddhahat@reddit

nah, the pilot "apologised" for "put(ting) the plane down six inches off the center line"

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LocalRemoteComputer@reddit

Tower: I have a number for you.

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Appropriate-Bar-4808@reddit

7!

6 7

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PowerOfEternity@reddit

Did you notice how the sparks got bigger and whiter when on top of the white stripes? Like fireworks.

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Plastic-Serve5205@reddit

It just got a new black one.

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Forward_Young2874@reddit

And the pilots and passengers got new brown ones.

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Goddessofshouts@reddit

Hm. I’m no pilot but something there seems off. Is that normal?

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zibudotai@reddit

It's feeling tyred.

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Whirlwind_AK@reddit

Is that bird still in the fleet?

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rulingthewake243@reddit

She's flying into FL right now. N536JB

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danit0ba94@reddit

Talking about the airplane, not the flight number.

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slightlyhandiquacked@reddit

That’s literally the tail number…

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danit0ba94@reddit

Doesn't look like n536jb to me. (OP's photo)

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slightlyhandiquacked@reddit

Right, but neither of those are flight numbers? The point of my comment was that N536JB is a tail number…

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danit0ba94@reddit

So. Am. I.

So I appreciate all the unwarranted downvotes!

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slightlyhandiquacked@reddit

You said flight number. All I did was tell you it’s a tail number. Why are you jumping down my throat right now?

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IAmTheHype427@reddit

N536JB, aka “Canyon Blue”

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Guard_Bainbridge_777@reddit

The last picture is 'Bluebird" N503JB based on the nose landing gear door number 503. So I think the last picture is not N536JB "Canyon Blue". From Airliners_net forum, N503JB had a nose landing gear failure in 2002 at JFK airport in New York.

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Guard_Bainbridge_777@reddit

The San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive has this photo of the Kennedy incident and several photos of the LAX incident. * Side note - would someone be wearing a parka like that in LA in September?

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YMMV25@reddit

Wait, did this happen twice? I remember 536 into LAX. Sixth photo here shows 503.

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StuLax18@reddit

I'm fully perplexed by this. Looking at photos at least of the left side, it says 536. The other thing I noticed, the 503 photo says Bluebird, but 536 says Canyon Blue.

N503JB was in fact Bluebird, and was their first A320: https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/jetblue-retires-first-ever-a320

A quote on Flickr says it is a similar prior incident at JFK, which fits with water being in the immediate background in the photo.

This is actually a photo of an incident which took place on November 2, 2002 at John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK / KJFK) in New York. The aircraft is jetBlue A320 (A320-232) N503JB (c/n 1123) "Bluebird" and here it is at rest on Runway 22R after its nose gear failed to deploy properly.

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BagOfMoneyNoChange@reddit

Ship number is 503. Tail number is N536JB.

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Benjamin39Brown@reddit

Just landed, according to FR24

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Go_Loud762@reddit

N503JB is retired.

N536JB is still flying.

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ADinner0fOnions@reddit

Yup. Crazy to think that this happened TWENTY ONE years ago. I was a freshman in hs but remember watching this saga and landing live on tv. I feel old now.

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bandley3@reddit

I worked at LAX at that time. I went over to our company’s office on Imperial Highway but was stuck there; airport police had blocked all access to the airfield so I was unable together back to the terminal. I just hung out along the side the runway waiting to see what would happen, standing atop a stair truck so I could see over the fence. This was in the days before smartphones so I couldn’t take any video but I watched it all happen right in front of me.

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immunotransplant@reddit

How did they know something was happening then. But these days with streamers we still find stuff out late?

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MessHolliday@reddit

I was just thinking about that yesterday because I’d just rewatched the SNL sketch about it. (Pretty solid sketch IMO; Amy Poehler’s always great.)

The YouTube video, which was posted a year ago, said “20 YEARS AGO TODAY: Jetblue Flight 292” and suddenly my back hurt

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OsoOak@reddit

I was in 7th grade. I also feel old.

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hbk409@reddit

No N503JB was retired. It last flew August 31, 2023. https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N503JB

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PapiBaggins@reddit

I got a chance to fly on it recently. I Googled the plane right before boarding and was fan boying.

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alphagusta@reddit

Still flies routinely yes

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Sgt_JC66@reddit

Let me guess…..an A320. They’re notorious for doing this and even saw an America West A320 land this exact same way with nose gear stuck in same position at CMH back in the 90’s.

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darxide23@reddit

It's crazy that it didn't grind away even more of the wheel.

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

Those wheels are very strong but yes you would think more than 50% would have been grinded down.

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Dreamerlax@reddit

Last pic isn't the incident plane in LAX though.

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

Yes I can’t figure out what incident that plane is from. All these photos were emailed to me at the same time. I will remove that photo.

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Vau8@reddit

Awesome, I took the liberty of linking that image to r/thingscutinhalfporn for all us fans of things cut in half there.

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

A new sub I didn’t know about.

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Lost_Dingo9772@reddit

That was crazy back then

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Unique_Actuary284@reddit

Looks like the engineers made it just the perfect size!

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oshunluvr@reddit

Typical for me - 9 years in LAX tower and I was never present for all the "fun" stuff!

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russbroom@reddit

That’s impressive, and surely a testament to the driver’s handling of the situation as much as the design of the assembly.

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Humble_Counter_3661@reddit

All the more reason to outsource technical services to the Dominican Republic! JK

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rocketshipkiwi@reddit

Do they deliberately fail on an angle perpendicular to the direction of travel like that?

I’m wondering if that’s a better failure mode than (say) 30 degrees to the left which would give big control problems.

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railker@reddit

It's happened a few times, and Airbus does a good breakdown of how it happened here > https://safetyfirst.airbus.com/landing-with-nosewheels-at-90-degrees/

TL;DR Doesn't appear explicitly deliberate. But for all the A320 issues I don't recall it happening on other airplanes quite like this off by heart.

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inbredcat@reddit

How would they have towed the aircraft off the runway like this? Serious question

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railker@reddit

They wouldn't. Thankfully looks like the threads are till there, you can smash two new wheels on it and that'll be good enough to tow it. If it was worse, then someone's figuring something out. That 737 that had a collapsed gear on the only runway in St. Maarten last year, they used a crane to lift the wing and set it down on some tires on a truck and drove them together just good enough to get off the runway.

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sammcj@reddit

Gives vented discs new meaning

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buff_phroggie@reddit

Im no aviation guy, but this looks sub optimal.

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CassiCatto@reddit

What a close shave!

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aranjei@reddit

Landing gear be like:

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SouthAustralian94@reddit

That would have done so much damage to the runway!

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StanFitch@reddit

That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point…

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neverbadnews@reddit

The front (tires) fell off...

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fdwyersd@reddit

brought the passengers down safely

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bstone99@reddit

“Any landing you walk away from”

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Cute_Flatworm_9049@reddit

Asking as a noob, whats that red sticky thing in the fourth image (looks scary)!

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

That is lubricant for the wheel bearings.

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Cute_Flatworm_9049@reddit

Thanks for the info.

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Chichar_oh_no@reddit

Looks like what used to be a bearing.

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Mediocre-Catch9580@reddit

At least it didn’t get into the wheel bearings

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Superb-Birthday-3623@reddit

last pic shows N503JB, did this happen twice? Because i checked plansepotters.net data about the aircraft, there were no incidents involving that specific airframe

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

I am trying to sort that out regarding the last pic. They were all sent to me in the same email. There were other incidents like this but I can’t find any other pictures.

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EdgarAllanPuss@reddit

Not main gear :P

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

Fixed it. Thanks.

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llintner@reddit

Fun fact. JetBlue didn’t serve LAX at the time. Airplane had taken off from BUR when the gear didn’t retract. Source: worked at BUR Airport Ops at the time. Crew elected the longer runways at LAX.

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

That is correct. They also had to circle for hours to burn off all the fuel to make the landing safer.

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AdoringCHIN@reddit

From Wikipedia:

To keep the nose gear off the ground as long as possible, reverse thrust was not used to slow the aircraft. As a result, the plane took longer than usual to decelerate, coming to a stop at 6:20 p.m. just 1,000 feet (300 m) before the end of the 11,096-foot (3,382 m) runway. (In comparison, the longest runway at Long Beach is 10,000 ft (3,000 m).)

Sounds like they made the right choice picking LAX

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llintner@reddit

Vs 6,885’ at BUR.

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onethousandmonkey@reddit

So it wore out exactly enough to stop the plane and not enough to damage the strut. There’s an engineer somewhere doing high-fives to himself.

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Proper-Ant6196@reddit

What was the root cause?

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

Worn out seals. Everyone check your seals.

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_esci@reddit

less damage to the tarmac than i thought.

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

Yes I thought that too. Tarmacs are made with high strength concrete or asphalt and are designed to take a bearing but this was impressive

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Stepho_62@reddit

G'day, I'm an old Toolmaker so Metalurgy interests me. I've been hanging out for someone to post these and let me say they didn't disappoint. Thanks for putting them up

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

The photos were lost in my email. I had a buddy working at LAX that day and sent them to me.

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interroBangaRangz@reddit

Saw the vid earlier today, thought photos would be neat—you delivered, OP!

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

Thanks!😊

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Stepho_62@reddit

They are awesum. They are also pretty much what I expected after wathcing the landing several (hubdred???) times. One of my favourite things about Aviation is the engineering.

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ThisIsMyBigAccount@reddit

I had two co-workers on that flight. They watched the coverage from the plane. I remember talking about this with them several weeks later and they both had a new perspective on business travel. As in doing much, much less of it.

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mdp300@reddit

I remember this was live on CNN when it happened. And they mentioned that you could watch live TV on jetblue, and how freaky it might be to see your own plane in trouble.

I also remember that SNL had a bit about the passengers watching CNN tell everyone they were about to die.

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

I am surprised they would even fly again after surviving that.

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hairhair2015@reddit

A friend of mine was on this flight. She said it was very frightening and a real white knuckle experience. She doesn’t know anything about aviation, but they told them to be ready for the plane to crash and catch fire.

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whiskeytown79@reddit

"Well there's your problem!"

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XTheGuyWithTheGunsX@reddit

That tire was the real MVP

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Lavasioux@reddit

Tha'll do gear...tha'll doo.

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Various-Blood-3902@reddit

actual in cabin video of it

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itsjakerobb@reddit

This is an interesting thing to keep in mind when you’re taking a college physics class and the professor tells you to “ignore friction.”

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danit0ba94@reddit

I've never seen a plane land with a main gear locked sideways. That would be disasterous.
I have seen planes land with the nose gear locked sideways.

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ElectricOutboards@reddit

That pilot with his ENORMOUS balls stuck the landing with legendary effect.

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Bigdstars187@reddit

Looks fine to me

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TigerIll6480@reddit

Woof. I had a lawn mower deck pulley end up looking like that once.

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wheeler748@reddit

Amazing as I heard it didn’t mess the runway as bad as expected. Still took flights in at LGB after they cleared 292.

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fightcluboston@reddit

Customer States: I just need an oil change. Dont upsell me

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84Cressida@reddit

That last picture is not the same plane. The 292 plane was N536JB and that last picture shows 503 on the nose gear door

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strumthebuilding@reddit

This comment seems correct

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Benjamin39Brown@reddit

503 is the serial number, not the registration.

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84Cressida@reddit

No, the 503 is the ship number and is the number for N503JB, not 536. In addition, that isn’t even LAX in that last picture shows

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-ZuprA-@reddit

You are right. These images are from Jetblue 0003 flight: November 2, 2002 – Nose Gear Incident at JFK (New York) While operating as JetBlue Flight 0003 (or similar), the aircraft departed from Buffalo (BUF) with an issue preventing normal landing gear retraction. It diverted/returned to John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK). During the approach and landing on runway 22R, the nose gear failed to deploy properly (or was observed turned 90 degrees sideways by the tower). The crew performed a safe emergency landing with the nose held off the runway as long as possible. The plane came to rest on the runway with the main gear down but the nose gear issue evident. No injuries were reported, and the aircraft was repaired and returned to service. Photos from the San Diego Air & Space Museum Archives document the scene. This was a separate event from the more famous 2005 JetBlue Flight 292 incident (which involved a different aircraft, N536JB, at LAX with a nose gear stuck at 90 degrees).

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit (OP)

No, that is not possible. A hairline crack is not even fixable. Scrap and get a new one.

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