Tesla is developing a new smaller, cheaper SUV EV, sources say
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ChuckoRuckus@reddit
Oh… like the Model 2 that was first announced in 2020?
The stock must have dipped, so time to make another bullshit announcement on a project that IF it ever sees the light a day, will be over promised and under delivered.
Logitech4873@reddit
The Model 2 was never announced. You made this up.
ChuckoRuckus@reddit
It was first announced on Battery Day in Sept 2020. You can hear Musk announce that car
Logitech4873@reddit
Timestamp?
ChuckoRuckus@reddit
It’s weird, you say it was never announced, yet Musk said the claims were false about the Model 2 being cancelled years ago
So why would the CEO incest the project wasn’t canceled if it was never announced in the first place as you claim?
Logitech4873@reddit
Elon is talking about the low cost Tesla, not "Model 2". The "Model 2" thing is entirely invented by the same people who are presumably still waiting for the Xbox 720 or the Wii 2.
ChuckoRuckus@reddit
You’re just moving the goalpost…. Disputing what it’s called instead of the project itself.
The thing about the “Xbox 720” and “Wii 2” are what the public called the projects. The fact is that Microsoft and Nintendo released those next gen consoles, they just called them the Xbox S and the Wii U. So that comparison is a false equivalence.
The fact remains that the “more affordable Tesla EV” was announced in 2020 and it never saw the light of day. Now they’re announcing it again as a different version, 6 years later. It’s little different than the Roadster 2.
Logitech4873@reddit
I didn't move any goalposts. This was my only argument from the very beginning.
ChuckoRuckus@reddit
By your logic, there’s no such thing as “trickle down economics” or the “Big bang theory” either. After all, those names were created by the public and aren’t the original official designations.
Either way, you’re moving the goal post
Logitech4873@reddit
There's no Model 2. It was never announced, it will never be released. I haven't moved any goalposts, I've said literally only this one thing.
ChuckoRuckus@reddit
What was the $25k car they announced in 2020?
That’s what I’m talking about. The public called it a Model 2. Everyone else here understands what I’m talking about.
So if it’s not the “Model 2”, tell me what it’s called so we can move past your pedantic, bullshit, argument, and focus on my main point…. That Musk already announced such a vehicle six years ago, it never got released, and now they are essentially announcing the exact same thing.
And yes, you focusing on the name instead of the point is you moving the goal post. So either tell me what the name of that vehicle is that was announced in 2020, or just fuck off.
Logitech4873@reddit
We don't know the name.
No it's not. My focus was the name from the first post. The goal post remains firmly planted. You don't understand what this term means.
ChuckoRuckus@reddit
You were answering to MY comment, and the name is irrelevant to MY point.
Even after I explained that “Model 2” is just a placeholder for the lack of a name, you’re still pulling some “but the Model 2 doesn’t exist” bullshit like “but Brawndo’s got what plants crave”.
Either way, you’re being logically fallacious. Either you’re moving the goal post because “Model 2 moniker didn’t exist, therefore the $25,000 Tesla EV wasn’t announced”…. Or you’re just using a red herring to avoid my point.
So are you ever going to address my point or not?
Logitech4873@reddit
I'm not here to address any other point. Cya.
Mattagascar@reddit
Ding ding ding, I saw headline on yahoo finance after markets closed that Tesla has had eight losing weeks in a row
_pcakes@reddit
next they will announce a 2-door sports car ...
AngrySoup@reddit
Sources report that development is in the advanced stages, and that the new vehicle will be launching right after the Tesla Roadster.
EatSleepJeep@reddit
The Tesla Roadster is the car of the future...
...and always will be.
Bar50cal@reddit
To little to late in Asia and EU markets and not sure there is demand in NA.
Tesla is a toxic brand in many EU countries. In Ireland they are selling at 0% interest and still no Tesla model was in the top 20 EVs sold in Ireland in 2026 so far and its not doing much better in several EU countries.
People are already talking about Tesla pulling out of the market here in Ireland already.
DaBanninator@reddit
Tesla March car registrations soar in key European markets, showing changing trend
MRDR1NL@reddit
Bad article with intentionally bad interpretation of data. Tesla sales have been steadily declining for years.
DaBanninator@reddit
2026 (February) Europe: Best-Selling Electric Car Brands and Models
gtfckdbrnlssbts@reddit
far behind vw group :)
A320neo@reddit
Is this your first time seeing Tesla European sales? They always have a big bump at the end of the quarter. They're still losing market share in a fast-growing sector.
DaBanninator@reddit
🥱
Tesla is not even a car company
A320neo@reddit
You should probably tell them that they're not a car company considering that's where they get \~90% of their revenue
DaBanninator@reddit
OMG you care about revenue!?!? That's so cute 😂
gtfckdbrnlssbts@reddit
what a boring troll account
MumpsyDaisy@reddit
imagine actually caring about bringing a physical product to market and providing people with an object of actual practical use instead of making money for nothing because of people's fantasies...what a sick world that would be!
Logitech4873@reddit
Yes they are
DaBanninator@reddit
Thank you for freeing with me
Logitech4873@reddit
Huh?
juridiculous@reddit
“Soar” is a bit much, considering the sum total of cars registered in the article is 29,835 across Italy, Belgium, Spain, Norway, France, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark and Portugal (total population of 178.2 million).
You’re also comparing y/y change. And last year fucking sucked for Tesla.
DaBanninator@reddit
You try selling 29,835 cars. Go ahead, I'll wait 🤣
Photo_Synthetic@reddit
Elon won't ever be your baby daddy. Chill.
DaBanninator@reddit
I know he's already your baby daddy.
Mas papi mas!!!
itsamemarioscousin@reddit
Yep, last year the Model Y was just about to be facelifted, and Musk had recently..."shown his love for the crowd" or whatever his terrible excuse was. The only way for this year's Q1 to go was up.
T-Baaller@reddit
Went up 11% in a period battery electrics overall went up 20%. According to the same chump barely a week earlier.
That's not a soaring reversal of a 13 month trend, that's just catching a little bit of the overall tide.
LifeForm8449@reddit
Model Y was the best selling car in China in March 2026
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
I don't think that's late on it. Tesla still holds best own charging network and decent information system, both are reason why still people buying it.
Only selling 3/Y and Cybertruck are clearly problem why their sales no improvement because still not all and most people want and can afford these models.
Is 3/Y considered right size in Ireland ? If not, that makes sense. Small EVs like ID.3/Born and Seagull are really most European car buying.
Bar50cal@reddit
Charging networks in Europe are open and universal. There are Tesla chargers but no Tesla network. Any car can use any charger and there's no benefits to Tesla chargers over others here so its not a consideration when buying here.
3/Y were the best selling EVs in 2024 and for years before that here but sales fell of a cliff and never recovered.
Sandy_Koufax@reddit
Same in the US. Most cars can use Tesla chargers now.
Logitech4873@reddit
In the US they have an adapter hell, and the Tesla network did not open for all cars like it did in Europe many years ago.
Alive_Internet@reddit
Too bad about the image being tainted, because the refreshed Model 3 and Model Y are some of the most well-balanced EVs in their price range. I would expect the same from a cheaper Tesla, though sales might depend on whether Musk tones down his “antics”.
farrrtttttrrrrrrrrtr@reddit
Image isn’t tainted, no one outside of Reddit and bluesky even thinks about it
Logitech4873@reddit
Eh it absolutely is. I own a Model 3 and it's impossible to talk to someone about it without musk being brought up.
mishap1@reddit
Then explain why their sales have been flat/down outside Asia for the last 3 years which still isn’t enough to offset how down it is elsewhere. This year they barely beat last year when they were refreshing the Y which is their bestselling car.
farrrtttttrrrrrrrrtr@reddit
6% YoY isn’t “barely beat last year” what are you talking about 😂
mishap1@reddit
Still down 15% from their 2023 high water mark. Beating your lowest Q1 since 2022 doesn’t exactly show a strong trajectory for a company with a ~200 forward PE ratio, especially as all of their Robotaxi and robotics promises have slipped far past their dates as well.
Torczyner@reddit
All sales have been down, the Y is still the best selling car in the would.
mishap1@reddit
2025 global car sales reached their highest ever to break the previous peak in 2019.
https://www.spglobal.com/automotive-insights/en/blogs/2026/01/2025-automotive-sales-data-global-trends
Model Y was up a bit but everything else for them was down and overall was almost 9% down for them.
Torczyner@reddit
I don't think you read the article you linked. It does mention Norway where Tesla crushes everyone though. Be careful with broad data as sales increases in China will offset losses in Germany for example. And those vehicles are cheap built with slave labor so it's not the win you think. The data is already old and a 2025 surge (+39.5% YoY) was driven by pre-tax-change EV buying where as 2026 decline reflects reduced EV incentives.
mishap1@reddit
I was referencing the global number b/c cars sales were up overall. The Norway market in total was 180k new cars last year and is only 1/10th the size of the California market. Tesla actually sold more cars in CA in 2025 than the total # of new cars purchased in Norway (179,656 vs 179,549).
That said, Tesla sold 238,589 cars in California in 2023 which is a 25% decline since Elon got significantly more vocal about his white supremacy memes in late 2022 and 2023.
Torczyner@reddit
Your data is getting more and more out of date and now you're confusing total sales with percentage increase/decrease. To help you out, the model Y is the best selling car in the world, 3 years running with an increase yoy when others are struggling, this year, in 2026, in the EV space where several giants have been crushed.
Tesla: 358,023 vehicle deliveries (+6.3–6.5% YoY from Q1 2025). Produced 408,386.
U.S. Q1 sales down YoY for most majors (GM, Toyota, Ford, Honda, Nissan declined; overall market pressured by affordability/gas prices/consumer confidence). Global light-vehicle sales showed early-year weakness (e.g., January -2% YoY). w ww DOT autonewsDOTcom /retail /sales /an-q1-sales-falter-in-challenging-market-0403/
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hardcoreufoz@reddit
lol https://x.com/IAPolls2022/status/2042354535470162360
SamsungAppleOnePlus@reddit
Actually never considered getting a Tesla more than I have been recently due to how solid the refreshed Model 3 is, while simultaneously wanting to stay away from being associated with Musk’s shenanigans and the current political climate.
I live in Florida, Teslas are everywhere and most people don’t seem to care about the brand image.
xuon27@reddit
Nobody cares about the image outside of Reddit
hardcoreufoz@reddit
Yeah their sales collapse was due solely to redditors
Sandy_Koufax@reddit
No it was due to the EV market collapsing. Everybody who wanted an EV got one.
Logitech4873@reddit
There's been no EV market collapse. EV sales have only been increasing, and still are.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Idk if that’s true. When Tesla sales saw their 60% drop in the EU, that was at the same time as the highest EV registration period they had since COVID started
So people were definitely still buying EVs, just not Teslas
MumpsyDaisy@reddit
honestly could believe it because originally tesla was the most reddit-coded car imaginable
4thAndLong@reddit
You won’t regret. I love mine. Haven’t bought gas for my Bronco since February. That’s how much I just prefer driving my 3. Very fewer people outside of Reddit care that you own a Tesla. I have way more positive experiences than negative ones.
SqueezyCheez85@reddit
My 2019 M3 SR+ is the best vehicle purchase I've ever made. It's super efficient and very economical for my family.
That said, if I ever get another, it'll be from a private party. Fuck Tesla.
walnut100@reddit
They feel like super cheap low quality products for anyone that hasn’t lived in a clapped out Civic or Camry for most of their driving.
I’m buying my mom an EV right now and the only criteria is that I won’t pay for a Tesla. Don’t buy shit quality products.
Torczyner@reddit
Funny people don't say that about the Porsche I drive. That guy was kind of a jerk. But I get in my Tesla and they cry about it. Pretty crazy how simple people are with their really swayed opinions.
Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit
And how is that jerk profiting now from a company bearing his name?
Magnus_The_Totem_Cat@reddit
Is it really all that funny people are more upset with a living billionaire asshole who is currently doing insane things than one that’s been dead for 75 years?
That1one1dude1@reddit
I mean, you’re in Florida.
They probably like the Musk.
-SUBW00FER-@reddit
Model 3 and Y are also the top selling vehicles in California too. Politics doesn’t have much to do with it
Sandy_Koufax@reddit
Yeah. Not everybody lives on Reddit.
The_Strom784@reddit
I see tons of them on my commute in a blue state. Musk can literally do anything and people will still buy his cars.
farrrtttttrrrrrrrrtr@reddit
Great car, why get something worse just to virtue signal?
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3dmontdant3s@reddit
He's toning down, one hardly hears about him in the news anymore, at least where I am. Damage is done and only a lot of time can make people forget. He tied himself to a person we'll continue to hear about badly daily for the next 3 years and now the brand (which still keeps him on paying outrageous amounts) will have to live through it
juwyro@reddit
Even in the US he's barely mentioned anymore. He's from hiding from his antics from 2024/5.
desirox@reddit
He seems to have gone quiet, probably got the results on how much his antics wrecked the brand image. Agreed the new model 3 and ‘model y are probably the best EVs on sale in north America at least
Tall_computer@reddit
I don't know about Ireland, but they are still the best value for money in Denmark. Possibly there is "brand toxicity" but the car is still excellent
farrrtttttrrrrrrrrtr@reddit
Sales are up 6% YoY, march was a record month in Europe specifically.
Whatwhyreally@reddit
Too little too late*
Trades46@reddit
Wouldn't surprise me if this new Tesla was a Chinese EV rebadge to be sold in USA. Tesla's technology is so behind everything from China and the newest batch of EVs coming from Europe it is getting embarrassing, even before you include the Musk baggage that comes with one.
dec7td@reddit
The Model Y isn't even an SUV really
Sarah_hussain09@reddit
Term is crossover. It's a crossover. But people these days use SUV name for anything
SamsungAppleOnePlus@reddit
It’s in that weird compact crossover class, aka “sport activity coupe” as coined by BMW aka “I’m not a sedan or a hatchback but I’m not a crossover”. Many electric cars are this size + the BMW X2, X4, & X6. The X4 is about the size of the Model Y, the X2 might be similar in size to the new Tesla / “Model 2”?
zeekayz@reddit
And it's going to have have the crippled self driving with no lidar
Logitech4873@reddit
Eh, they've absolutely proven than lidar isn't necessary for their approach.
zeekayz@reddit
How? Tesla FSD is garbage
Logitech4873@reddit
It really isn't. It's become more and more reliable over the years, and is now in a very stable state where it genuinely can do the majority of driving.
Bebealex@reddit
My dad gave me a spine. I'm not even looking at a Tesla until Elon Musk is not receiving a dime from my money.
DaBanninator@reddit
That's smooth brain move right there.
Logitech4873@reddit
How so?
SwayingTreeGT@reddit
Sounds more like your dad gave you a vagina.
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hardcoreufoz@reddit
Typical Tesla driver, and you all wonder why everyone laughs at you
triplevanos@reddit
Where are they gonna build it? They've already committed Fremont to presumably building the supposed Optimus robots
I'm highly skeptical of any Tesla announcements, even though I do believe their engineers are highly capable of excellent cars when allowed to build them (and not told to build some stupid shit like the Cybertruck)
Logitech4873@reddit
The fact that they genuinely think anyone is gonna give a shit about the expensive and useless humanoid robots is amazing.
smandroid@reddit
Someone recently said Tesla is the Corolla of the EV world. Is it?
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schultzM@reddit
Easily
The Nissan leaf coulda been it but they screwed up and used the wrong battery tech
stubob@reddit
Until there are spy photos of it on the road, they aren't developing anything.
mishap1@reddit
They have a couple of those heinous Cybercabs putting around town to convince people they’re prepping for Robotaxi service.
wearethafuture@reddit
The same car they’ve allegedly been developing since what, pre-Covid? Or is it another way to hike up the over inflated stock price up again? Making money in the B-SUV segment for example is hard for any automaker, let alone one deeply rooted in politics hostile to Europe and the major markets in Asia.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Not sure what your mean about this. Anyway, more Europe car buyers are buying Chinese EVs now. Europe car buyers are now getting close like American car buyers, more local people don't look their domestic automakers anymore.
wearethafuture@reddit
Depends hugely on the market and segments. In some markets like the UK and Poland, Chinese have penetrated well to smaller, cheaper segments. Italy, France, Spain, or Finland, the penetration is small. Chinese doesn’t always mean cheaper, but usually means worse quality & drivability and possible issues with warranty (i.e. will a certain company be in Europe in 5 years time)
Averageinternetdoge@reddit
Immediately lost interest. Check out Renault 5 if you want to compete with europeans.
snktiger@reddit
eh... should have introduced Model Y-L and a smaller SUV when they decided to kill off Model S and X.
now you wonder what's the point of 3 Standard and Y Standard..
itsamemarioscousin@reddit
The Standards were introduced because the long promised smaller car never materialized. Can't promise a cheap car forever and not deliver
You can promise a $250k sports car forever and never deliver, however. It's now 8.5 years since the Roadster started taking pre-order deposits.
The Wiki article on it is a hilariously depressing list of missed dates and broken promises. Apparently we're going to see the production car by the end of this month! Only 6 years after the original delivery date!
From Wiki:
"In 2015, Musk suggested a new Roadster as early as 2019, capable of faster acceleration. A tweet by Musk in December 2016 said that a second Roadster was in Tesla plans, but still "some years away." The second Roadster was designed by Franz von Holzhausen.
A prototype of the Roadster was shown in a surprise moment at the end of the Tesla Semi event on November 16, 2017, when a Roadster was driven out of the back of one of the semi-truck trailers to the song "Sabotage", with a tease of availability in the year 2020 at the starting price of US$200,000. Musk explained the concept as: "The point of doing this is to give a hardcore smackdown to gasoline cars. Driving a gasoline sports car is going to feel like a steam engine with a side of quiche." Test rides were given at the event for those who immediately paid the first $5,000 of a $50,000 deposit to pre-order the vehicle. Additional information followed after the teaser, such as the various world-record speeds Tesla said it would break.
In June 2018, Musk revealed a potential feature called "SpaceX option package" for the Roadster. This would add around ten cold gas thrusters to the car to improve maneuverability; it would comprise an electric pump to recharge an air tank used to provide compressed air flowing through propelling nozzles to generate a cold jet thrust. The air tanks, based on "composite over wrapped pressure vessel" (COPV) also used in the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy rockets, would replace the back seats. The thrusters would be used to improve cornering, acceleration, top speed, and braking. Working pressure would be 10,000 psi (690 bar).
On June 27, 2019, Musk tweeted that a "2.1 sec 0-60 mph was the base model before adding rocket thruster option".
In July 2020, during the 2020 second quarter financial results conference call, Musk stated that Tesla plans to tentatively build the Roadster in California and production would be in the next 12 to 18 months, indicating mid to late 2021.
In January 2021, Musk tweeted that production would be delayed until 2022. He commented that in 2021, the company would finish engineering the Roadster with the goal of having a "candidate design drivable late summer". In September 2021, Musk said that production would be delayed until 2023. Musk further confirmed the 2023 target at the 2021 shareholders meeting in October, which was then changed to 2024 at the May 2023 shareholder's meeting In February 2024, the production date was changed to 2025.
In April 2022, on the opening night of Cyber Rodeo, Musk announced that the Gigafactory in Texas would be in production with the Cybertruck, Roadster, and Semi, which was moved from the Fremont factory in California.
In February 2024, Musk made a post on X that the production version of the Roadster would be unveiled in late 2024, and deliveries would begin in early 2025, the car would be able accelerate to 60 mph in under 1 second, and steer-by-wire similar to the Cybertrick would be included.
At the Q3 2024 earnings call in October 2024, Musk said that the design of the Roadster is close to being finalized, and production would be delayed to 2025.
In February 2025, Tesla engineering VP Lars Moravy confirmed that work on the Roadster and cold-gas thrusters was ongoing.
In July 2025, Moravy said that the development of the Tesla Roadster is underway, it will be the "Last Best Driver's Car" and that a demo could happen by the end of 2025.
In August 2025, Tesla filed a patent for ground effect technology for the new Roadster.
In October 2025, Tesla chief designer Franz von Holzhausen confirmed that the Tesla Roadster unveiling and demo was still on track for late 2025. On October 28, Tesla posted a job listing for a "Roadster manufacturing engineer" position based in Fremont, California. On October 31, Elon Musk teased that the Roadster "would be the most unforgettable demo" and mentioned the demo would happen by the end of 2025 at the Joe Rogan’s podcast.
In the November 2025 shareholder meeting, Elon Musk said the Roadster production version will be unveiled on April 1, 2026, and that production would begin 12 to 18 months later (April to October 2027).
In January 2026, Tesla confirmed on the Q4 earnings that production of the Roadster is prepared and ready.
In February 2026, Tesla filed trademarks for the "Roadster" name logo, and the final design silhouette.
In March 2026, Tesla filed patents for one piece seats for the Roadster. In the same month, Elon Musk stated that the new Roadster would be unveiled by the end of April 2026."
bobjr94@reddit
If this would have been 5 years ago then it would have ment something. New bolt, new leaf, EV3, Subaru uncharted and likely more I'm forgetting actually exist and are here now or coming soon.
alprazepam@reddit
and still no Roadster ... hmm
Seeker80@reddit
I think it could help if they drop the 'coupe' roofline. A conventional hatch can still have good aerodynamics, and the boost to space would be helpful.
hundredjono@reddit
Will come out the same year as the 2017 Tesla Roadster
thedeuce75@reddit
I've read that it will called the Z1, with a special model for the North American market, called the NA Z1.
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Red_0utlaws@reddit
There is also a variant called the ELON coming to Aus market. Its the same as the NA Z1. So you could say ELON is a NA Z1.
timetravelerfrom2027@reddit
Performance model SS?
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Looks like it's same Rivian R3 size, they clearly want to respond it.
TenderfootGungi@reddit
Can Tesla develop a real car with Elon in charge? All except the the truck were well along in the design phase when Elon bought the company. The one vehicle developed under him, the truck, is a disaster.
RandomCheeseCake@reddit
Alpina B3 GT
https://www.evo.co.uk/alpina/b3/207625/alpina-b3-gt-touring-2025-pictures
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-GenlyAI-@reddit
Very interested in the model 3 as my first EV
Potato_Farmer_Linus@reddit
Fuck tesla
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Yangervis@reddit
Didn't know they have ever made an SUV
FrozenUruguayBallbac@reddit
to quote someone else "Ass announces shit"
bigbura@reddit
Good for them, job #1 should be replacing the CEO and Board so the company can actually fly at the level they could be at.
rhunter99@reddit
Cool
sicilian504@reddit
Tesla Model Nein!
brianwhite12@reddit
I don’t think they can price it cheap enough for me to forget Elon Musk for a the CEO of Tesla.
Quick_Coyote_7649@reddit
Sounds kinda like a threat
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