The deadliest 10 minutes in decades: Lebanese reel from Israeli strikes that killed hundreds | Lebanon

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gonna-see-riverman@reddit

Dropping tons of bombs they get for free, on thousands of defenseless civilians is great source of power and pride to these fanatics.

To all the brainwashed zios who rush here to scaremonger us about some 'terrorist' groups, at what point are you going to look in the mirror and realize you've been the terrorists all along?

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HockeyHocki@reddit

Meanwhile unhinged Hezb simps on here parroting kkk antisemitic slurs🤣

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BNTSG@reddit

Genuinely curious what you think of all the dead civilians? Do you really think people criticizing Israel for bombing hundreds of innocent people are “Hezb simps”?

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HockeyHocki@reddit

Genuinely curious what you think of all the dead civilians?

I already described it as horrific in this post, it's one of few top level comment

Do you really think people criticizing Israel for bombing hundreds of innocent people are “Hezb simps”?

Got me doubting you're actually being genuine

to scaremonger us about some 'terrorist' groups

You do know what the quotes mean right? I take the highly controversial position those saying Hezbollah are not a terrorist organistion are Hezbollah simps, (sorry anime_titties🤷‍♂️)

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terrany1@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1sgyyxh/comment/of91pzu/?context=3&utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Lmao, yeah that's certainly sympathizing with an event as horrific. I'll be sure to redirect blame next time it's not even asked for.

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gonna-see-riverman@reddit

As antisemitic as blowing up a centuries-old synagogue for no apparent reason? Let's just throw random boogeyman words around and ignore reality.

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Zipz@reddit

The term “zio” comes from a very famous KKK leader and Nazi

Generally most people are opposed to using Nazi terminology when describing people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_as_a_pejorative

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juanlg1@reddit

Zionist is very much a pejorative because all Zionists are inherently genocidal maniacs, I don’t know what you thought you were doing by linking that Wikipedia article lmfao

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Sure, it’s the belief that Jews have the god given right to commit genocide and ethnically cleanse Palestinians from their ancestral land to create a settler colonial state upheld economically and politically through alliances with Western powers

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Zipz@reddit

Weird that’s not what the dictionary says

See this is the problem your upset about a word that you have no idea what it means

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juanlg1@reddit

Are you asking me how Zionists define Zionism to try to justify the barbarity behind it or are you asking me what Zionism is in practice? Sorry I answered the latter cause I thought it was more relevant to the conversation of why all Zionists are genocidal cunts

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Zipz@reddit

I’m asking you what the definition of the word is

Not the one you made up

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juanlg1@reddit

“Zionism is a political and ideological movement advocating for the Jewish people's right to self-determination and the establishment, support, and protection of a Jewish national homeland in Palestine”. The quiet part is that the only way to establish that Jewish ethnostate in a territory already inhabited by an indigenous population is through genocide and ethnic cleansing. Hope that helps clear it up for you

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loggy_sci@reddit

Jews are indigenous to the Levant

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PerforatedPie@reddit

Palestinians are genetically closer to the original Jewish disapora than the vast majority of Israelis.

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loggy_sci@reddit

Nevertheless, Jews are indigenous and are not entirely European transplants.

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PerforatedPie@reddit

Nevertheless, Jews are indigenous and are not entirely European transplants.

And as such they should be entitled to citizenship and all rights thereof to a Palestinian state.

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juanlg1@reddit

Some are, sure. Most of the ones living there now are colonizers

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loggy_sci@reddit

That doesn’t negate that they are indigenous.

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Zipz@reddit

Wow how crazy how that was totally different than what you said

Imagine being upset at self determination which is considered a right by the UN

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juanlg1@reddit

Don’t think the UN agrees with self-determination achieved through colonization and the genocide of an indigenous population. Which UN charter was that on?

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Zipz@reddit

Hey funny how this works everyone deserve self determination except the Jews

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BroMan001@reddit

All definitions are made up at some point. His definition describes the practical, you’re thinking of the theoretical idea

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toms1313@reddit

It will never stop baffling me how child like is their rhetoric "the dictionary says something about auto determination so all of the bloodshed can be ignored"

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loggy_sci@reddit

u/juanlg1 learned what Zionism is on leftist subreddits and TikTok. I wouldnt expect much tbh

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gonna-see-riverman@reddit

You're absolutely right. We need to be sensitive when criticizing a movement that is openly calling for the ethnic cleansing of 8M+ people. It's one thing to be horrified by all their crimes, but we must not upset their feelings, then we're no better than them. I didn't know. Thank you, I'll use the full "zionist nutjobs" from now on.

While we're at it, did you know that "nazi" is short for National Socialism and is also used as pejorative? Please try to also be more sensitive towards our genociders.

The mental gymnastics on you guys, Olympic gold stuff.

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loggy_sci@reddit

Zio is used as a dogwhistle for Jew. The mod of this sub has also stated it’s a bannable slur.

Be less mad about not being able to use a slur.

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Crouteauxpommes@reddit

With all due respect a dogwhistle is something that is supposed to appear mundane to the uninformed but that is supposed to be recognized by the inside group. It offers the dual benefits of both speech and silence and if criticized, the user can always deny being aware of the secondary meaning.

I'm not sure that Zionist, or any of its diminutives, is a hidden term for new as a whole since it's very well known by the public already. And about it being a slur by nature, welp, it's also used by the current Israel government to describe itself, and in the name of nearly half of the coalition parties names. It can be used as a slur, sure, but that's what happens usually when you link your political ideology to ethnic cleansing, occupation of foreign territories, when you glorify state terrorism and marginalize anyone who dares to oppose your policies.

When you force the hand of people around the world by saying "You're either with us or against us", you're the one getting rid of the grey area. You have a lot of Jews who are not Zionists and a lot of Zionists who are not Jews; claiming otherwise is being a fool or a liar.

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loggy_sci@reddit

The slur ‘zio’ that is used by neo-Nazis and the KKK isn’t about Zionism, it is about Jews. It isnt a critique of zionism. It is used against Jews whether they are zionisrs or not, and regardless of whether or not they are israelis.

Your argument is “those neo-Nazis and the KKK have a point!” is deranged. Youre blaming racial and ethnic hatred toward Jews by avowed racists, on Israeli foreign policy. You’re arguing for the usage of slurs because you are against Israel. Youre blaming racial are the company you keep.

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Zipz@reddit

The mental gymnastics ?

Projecting much ?

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not_not_in_the_NSA@reddit

Any antisemitism here should be reported.

Anti-zionism or being critical of Israel's actions? That's not antisemitism, it's anti-terrorism.

Just like being critical of Hamas or Hezbollah isn't anti-islamism, it's anti-terrorism too.

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loggy_sci@reddit

Zio is a slur used by neo-Nazis to refer to Jews.

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juanlg1@reddit

It’s also just short for Zionist and that’s how it’s used in 2026. You can keep crying about it and ignoring the fact of the matter which is that Israel continues massacring civilians with total impunity and the best you can do is whine about the word people use to refer to those who support such atrocities

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Zipz@reddit

Or you know all you have to do is not use Nazi terminology and this all goes away but the fact that you refuse is the issue

It’s not that hard yet you purposely choose to use it even though it’s a dog whistle for Jews

That’s a you problem and makes you look and no one else

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toms1313@reddit

all you have to do is not use Nazi terminology and this all goes away

C'mon, at least try to lie more convincingly

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loggy_sci@reddit

No, it is used in 2026 to refer to Jews as well. You are just mad that you’re being called out for using a slur. Hit dogs holler.

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TraditionalGap1@reddit

So? It's also the label that zionists themselves apply to... themselves and their movement. What would you prefer we call them?

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gonna-see-riverman@reddit

Typical expected deflections. Let's not focus on the horrific massacres. Let's split hairs instead.

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loggy_sci@reddit

“I’m mad at Israel so therefore it doesn’t matter if I’m antisemitic or use antisemitic language” -you

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Meroxes@reddit

Wait, do you think criticizing the genocidal ideology of zionism is the same as criticizing Jews? Why is that? Do you think all Jews are zionists? Do you think Jews just can't stop massacring Palestinians by nature of their ethno-religious affiliation? Because that sounds genuinely antisemitic to me.

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HockeyHocki@reddit

cool, has nothing to do with anything he wrote though?

'Zio' is an antisemitic slur for jews, popularised by David Duke former grand wizard of the KKK & massive neo nazi.

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TraditionalGap1@reddit

There you go bringing the Jews in to it again. That's all you go on about it seems

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SludgeFilter@reddit

Reach out when Tel Aviv looks like that

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Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit

Israelis are unquestionably blood thirsty. As are Zionists.

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Crouteauxpommes@reddit

I'd love to think that not all Israelis are lunatics enjoying the dehumanisation and physical destruction of everyone and everything that is different from them... But honestly almost every interview I see, both politicians, soldiers and civilians all seems to agree that building their houses over the blood and ashes of others is not a problem at all.

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Dripdry42@reddit

I know at least one. I met a guy who went by the name of Faluja (sp?) , which means peace in Hebrew I think he said, and he was an artist. He knew lots of good people. And I asked him some of those kind of delicate things. He was in America for the first time and I was feeding him Sonic fast food 😂 He went on and sadly told me that a lot of Israelis are not into this. There are a lot of people who are against this. A lot of people who want to see Yahoo in jail. There are a lot of good people there, and for anyone reading this, don’t give into the hate. There are lots of Israel, who are not brainwashed and want a better future.

It’s just like looking at America and saying that everyone is supporting Trump. It’s just not true.

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glowinggoo@reddit

When I was in college (in America) I knew an Israeli guy. Very patient man. We were talking about history, and as these things went we brushed on the Holocaust a bit. I told him that was a horrible thing that happened and I'm glad we're past it as a species and that his people has a country now. (I was naive then, okay.)

He proceeded to give me this incredibly haunted look and said, no, he understood why people wanted to kill them, it's understandable, and Israel will only make things worse. And then he changed the subject. I didn't get it back then but I chalked it to one of those things you just can't understand if you're not part of the oppressed group.

I'm not sure I get it now, but maybe I might have an inkling. And I aways wonder what he had seen and heard, and what goes on with him now. I know he went back to Israel, and every time these news show up I wonder what he would feel about them. I'm not sure I want to find out though.

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Canadian_Border_Czar@reddit

Israel's got some of if not the most advanced military and surveillance tech teams in the world. If there are dissidents (of which I am sure there are many), they've been deplatformed.

I mean theyve got the conversation so under control that youll get banned from random subs for comments that dont break any rules, solely because you expressed non-flattering opinions of their actions in places like Gaza.

The CEO of Reddit is on the ADL's tech advisory board - the same ADL that wants to use AI to hunt down and mass report (to the authorities) anti-semites, while constantly moving the goal posts on what it means to be anti-semitic. It's a real world digital censor on wrong think being applied to the western internet... and our politicians dont give a fuck or support it.

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EternalAngst23@reddit

The vast majority of the Knesset is comprised of ultraconservatives, Zionists, or both. If that isn’t a reflection on Israeli society, I don’t know what is.

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Fuzzy9770@reddit

Look up Simone Zimmerman. She has made documentaries.

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BroMan001@reddit

You can look up Andrey X or the Tel Aviv radical block to see some of them resisting. But it’s a tiny amount of course

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ChillAhriman@reddit

The few Israelies that disagree get bullied into staying silent and bowing their heads down. It must be horrible to have a heart and live in that country.

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HockeyHocki@reddit

The war, which started after Hezbollah launched rockets at Israel on 2 March

As horrific as it is it's important not to forget who is to blame for war in Lebanon.

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ChosenArabian@reddit

Yes. Fuck Israel. But Hezbollah isn't any better. I'm Lebanese, and we are constantly dragged by them into futile wars with a genocidal state. Be it for Gaza or for Khamenie.

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HockeyHocki@reddit

Out of interest do you believe Israel would attack/try to annex Lebanon if hezbollah were out of the equation? The hezb narrative is they're the only thing stopping it

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azure_beauty@reddit

Israel would attack if there were any terror groups attacking Israel, even in this current war Hezbollah has not been the some target.

No, Israel would not seek to annex Lebanon, there is no desire for any such thing among Israeli society, we just want peace.

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FederalSandwich1854@reddit

Why doesn't the IDF go after terrorist settlers?

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azure_beauty@reddit

If you are looking for a genuine answer, Israel doesn't wage war against them because they are not threatening the existence of Israel.

Israel does try to reign them in, definitely not enough under this government, but that's ultimately a different discussion entirely.

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FederalSandwich1854@reddit

Ah ok, the Lebanese deserve to be slaughtered because they can't rein in Hezbollah. But when Israel sends it's terrorists to attack others land, god forbid anything happens to Israelis

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azure_beauty@reddit

I never said anyone deserves to be slaughtered? These attacks are not some sort of revenge on the Lebanese population for the fact of Hezbollah existing. These are attacks against Hezbollah which also end up hurting Lebanese civilians because Hezbollah is a terrorist militia illegally operating out of civilian areas.

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Stubbs94@reddit

What would you call targeting a funeral procession? The Lebanese health ministry is reporting that their ambulances are being targeted, the IOF levelled a hospital completely yesterday and have bombed multiple areas that have nothing to do with Hezbollah. The Israeli terrorist state is clearly engaging in attacking the civilian population. When even the Lebanese government accuses Israel of indiscriminate attacks, and European leaders condemn it, you know it's bad, they're all cucks to the Apartheid state.

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azure_beauty@reddit

when even the Lebanese government accuses Israel

You're acting as if Lebanon isn't officially in a state of war with Israel since '48.

You make a lot of bold claims, can you provide any evidence?

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Stubbs94@reddit

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-launches-massive-wave-strikes-across-lebanon-iran-ceasefire

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azure_beauty@reddit

Nowhere in the article does it state that Israel leveled a hospital, or that Israel targeted ambulances. The strikes were all targeting Hezbollah, not "areas that have nothing to do with Hezbollah" because unfortunately Hezbollah has a history of operating out if civilian areas.

With regards to the funeral, the article provides no further information and in no way helps us understand who the target of the strike was.

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Stubbs94@reddit

Israel murder a child, you: "but who was the child's dad? Maybe the child deserved to die".

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azure_beauty@reddit

Note that you have to make things up in order to discredit my opinion, because you just lied about Israel flattening a hospital or targeting ambulances.

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Stubbs94@reddit

Your opinion is bollocks though. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/21/israel-targeting-medical-facilities-south-lebanon-health-workers

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azure_beauty@reddit

With all this rhetoric of double tap strikes, I'd really expect to see some evidence.

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Stubbs94@reddit

Why do you always single out single things I say? Will you accept Israel has been accused by the Lebanese health ministry (not Hezbollah) of targeting them? And that Israel explicitly bombed a funeral procession? UNICEF today said that Israel has murdered 600 children since the 2nd of March in Lebanon. Does that figure not horrify you? 33 children killed in 10 minutes who were given 0 chance to even react. Can you even slightly criticise your government for doing that? Your military has the capability to destroy a single flat in an apartment building, yet has managed to murder 600 children?

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azure_beauty@reddit

Why should I care if Israel targeted a funeral procession? If that's the best place to kill Hezbollah terrorists while minimizing civilian casualties, then I see no reason why it is immoral.

To answer your question, I care first and foremost about me, my friends and family, and my compatriots. Beyond that, I believe that every human has the right to live a free and fulfilling life, and I regret and mourn every single life taken, be it of civilians, or even militants, who I would much rather be living their lives loving and creating beautiful families instead of being blown up in terror tunnels. Alas, that choice is not for me to make

My morals, although not religiously motivated, align closely with the Jewish belief that every one of god's creations is to be mourned, every life cut short is a world destroyed. So of course I feel sorry. But I also won't ever hesitate to defend myself. In order to keep Israelis safe Israel needs to kill those who wish to kill us before they succeed. And if the choice is either laying down and dying or accepting that we will be responsible for some civilian deaths, I will always choose the option that preserves our lives and moved us closer to a peaceful future without people trying to kill us, and as such without any need to hurt others, intentionally or not.

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party_core_@reddit

Why should I care if isr*el targeted a funeral procession?

fucking yikes

you need to re-rxamine your morality

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azure_beauty@reddit

I believe in living people, not protecting the sanctity of dead terrorists.

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party_core_@reddit

You don't even realise how far astray you've gone.

I believe in living people

Unless they're "acceptable" civilian casualties, then you're all "gotta break a few eggs" mode.

Yikes.

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azure_beauty@reddit

Certainly, we would all like to live in a world where no violence is ever necessary, but that is not the case, and we as a society accept violence for self defense, which includes casualties.

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Stubbs94@reddit

You have no morals. You can't even empathise with the innocents being slaughtered by Israel.

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azure_beauty@reddit

As I said, I do feel sorry for them, every opportunity I get to help people without hurting my own safety, I try to go and help, even if that person hates me.

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Stubbs94@reddit

I have never seen you once condemn the slaughter of innocents by your government. Only justify it.

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azure_beauty@reddit

I don't condemn it. I believe in our right to defend ourselves. I recognize that peace cannot be achieved with those who seek to destroy us, and so if we dare wish for peace, we must first act to remove the obstacles.

None of that means I cannot at the same time mourn innocent deaths and help others where possible.

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Stubbs94@reddit

You see? You believe in the right to defend the occupation of Palestine by your supremacist state. Do the Palestinians have a right to self defense?

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azure_beauty@reddit

I believe in my right to defend the safety and well-being of me, my family, my friends, my compatriots, and everyone else who accepts a peaceful coexistence alongside us. Off of that belief you can construct whatever strawman you wish, I don't care.

The Palestinians do deserve a right to safety and dignity. Given a theoretical Palestinian state would have to be largely demilitarized, I fully support Israel defending Palestinians in the instance that a foreign power was to ever attack them.

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MelodiusRA@reddit

He’s one of the local trolls, so he cannot.

On other days, you can see him accusing Ukraine of causing Russia to invade them.

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Stubbs94@reddit

I have never accused Ukraine of causing Russia to invade them. Stop lying.

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MelodiusRA@reddit

Hahaha bro you are infamous here. All you do is say “NATO bad” and “muh Israel”

It’s a very consistent circus act

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party_core_@reddit

Hahaha bro you are infamous here.

All you do is say “nato good” and "isra*l can do no wrong”

It’s a very consistent circus act

ftfy

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MelodiusRA@reddit

sure thing bro.

How’s the weather in the Northern Mariana Islands?

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party_core_@reddit

How’s the weather in the Northern Mariana Islands?

Pretty good

It feels better knowing that I'm not an apologist for a genocidal ethonstate

I can't imagine you'll ever know that feeling lol

inbox replies are off ;)

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MelodiusRA@reddit

Homie I don’t hate people like you I just feel bad.

The rise of AI and misinformation has made you not only unaware what’s actually happening because all you do is eat up thirdhand slop for news, but it dominates the mediasphere you ingest so badly that you get indignant about it.

You have been engineered and that’s the new reality for politics.

I can work around it but it’s a pretty disappointing reality.

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party_core_@reddit

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Stubbs94@reddit

Criticising the existence of NATO and a genocidal ethnostate like Israel doesn't mean I support or justify the horrific invasion of Ukraine. I guess nuance is hard to have when you support the mass murder of Arab children though.

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MrTatyo@reddit

Are you looking for evidence of Israel bombing hospitals, ambulances, and/or medical workers?

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azure_beauty@reddit

Yes sure, if you can provide me a single instance of Israel targeting a hospital that was not already used for military purposes, that would help your case.

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MrTatyo@reddit

Literally the other day.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/lebanon-beirut-health-workers-question-israel-hezbollah-targets/106550900

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azure_beauty@reddit

Right, so nowhere in that article is there any mention of a hospital being targeted.

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MrTatyo@reddit

Sorry that's Israel just bombing civilians and an independent newspaper interview locals to see why.

IDF blowing up a cancer treatment ward after they used it as military base

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/3/22/israel-blows-up-gazas-only-specialised-cancer-hospital-in-massive-strike

The IDF has bombed hospitals multiple times while committing a genocide. You honestly believe every time was warranted?

They bomb and double tapped ambulances etc

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azure_beauty@reddit

The demolition was not authorized by the IDF and goes against protocol, I was hoping you might show me something that demonstrates Israeli policy being aligned with what you claim, as opposed to random commanders breaking military law.

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Guaire1@reddit

Israel has shown time and time again that, when they want, they can kill terrorost with a genuinely frightening precision, without a single casualty outside that terrorist. I remember cases of genuinely killing a person in their hotel wothout anyone eñse being harmed in any way shape or form

Thus it stands to reason that, if their tactics suddenly create mass civilian casualties, as was the case here, its because they actively want those mass civilian casualties to take place. That they consoder it a net good.

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azure_beauty@reddit

It's easy to kill individual terrorists when you have years to track them and the target is only one or two people, much harder when you're fighting a full scale war about 50-100,000 people attacking your civilians from multiple fronts. When there's an active threat to Israeli civilians, Israel no longer has the privilege of waiting for the right moment. It no longer has the ability to stalk and assassinate individually 50,000 militants. I wish we could, but we aren't even a superpower.

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

No, Israel would not seek to annex Lebanon, there is no desire for any such thing among Israeli society, we just want peace.

Your politicians are literally calling for South Lebanon to be annexed and occupied. Don't bullshit us and say "there is no desire for any such thing among Israeli society"

"Eighteen hawkish lawmakers belonging to the Likud, Otzma Yehudit and Religious Zionism parties write an open letter to members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet rejecting the IDF’s apparent plan for a new buffer zone in southern Lebanon and instead demanding the “occupation and full control” of territory as far north as the Litani River, and the “evacuation” of the local population."

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azure_beauty@reddit

The Knesset consists of 120 MKs. It is entirely expected that in a country as embroiled in conflict as Israel is, that a small minority is going to turn out to be genuinely hateful warmongers. But they don't represent the country or it's policies, and their screeching doesn't change the reality that no part of Lebanon is going to be annexed, nor is there appetite for such an action among the Israeli public.

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

I'm going to list the statements of party leaders regarding Lebanon belonging to parties that when combined all together constitutes a majority of the Knesset:

Israel Katz (Likud 32 seats):

At the end of the operation, the IDF will establish itself in a security zone inside Lebanon, on a defensive line against anti-tank missiles, and will maintain security control over the entire area up to the Litani. In addition, the return of more than 600,000 residents of southern Lebanon who evacuated northward will be completely prohibited south of the Litani until the safety and security of northern residents are ensured All houses in villages near the border in Lebanon will be destroyed - according to the model of Rafah and Beit Hanoun in Gaza - to remove, once and for all, the threats near the border to northern residents,"

Bezalel Smotrich (Religious Zionist Party 7 seats):

"The new Israeli border must be the Litani,” he said, referring to the Litani River, a critical waterway that cuts through southern Lebanon, about 30km (19 miles) from the border with Israel."

Avigdor Lieberman (Yisrael Beytenu 6 seats):

"Everything between the Litani and Israel must be under the control of the IDF... If Lebanon won’t pay in territory we haven’t done anything”

Yair Lapid (Yesh Atid 23 seats)

“an area with no Lebanese villages in it – a completely clean strip between the last Lebanese and the first Israeli community...it may be unaesthetic, unpleasant to scrape away two or three Lebanese villages,”

Ben Gvir (Otzma Yehudit 6 seats): Do I have to bother even?

These are not "fringe" elements of their parties nor is this a "small minority". They are their leaders or outright play a major role in the Israeli government/military operations. They belong to a collection of parties that make up the majority of the Knesset when combined. As elected representatives, not only do they represent Israel, they represent a majority of it.

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azure_beauty@reddit

Katz is not the leader of Likud, and his statement is specifically conditioned on the demilitarization of hexbollah. Saying "we will occupy the border area to guarantee the safety of Israelis until Hezbollah is disarmed" ≠ the annexation of any territory. It's not even close.

Lieberman does the same, he is correct in pointing out that if the Lebanese state is unwilling to enforce a monopoly on violence in the area, Israel will have to. That too, is not an endorsement of any sort of annexation.

The lapid statement I do not recognize, can you please provide a reference?

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

Katz is not the leader of Likud

Yeah, Benjamin Netanyahu is, the guy who launched strikes that killed hundreds of Lebanese people after a ceasefire was announced. The guy who's been PM for 20 years so he's seemingly a good measure for what Israel's electorate wants out of a state leader.

"we will occupy the border area to guarantee the safety of Israelis until Hezbollah is disarmed" ≠ the annexation of any territory. It's not even close."

"Lieberman does the same, he is correct in pointing out that if the Lebanese state is unwilling to enforce a monopoly on violence in the area, Israel will have to. That too, is not an endorsement of any sort of annexation."

So you admit it's an occupation then? Where exactly is the line drawn between occupation an annexation for you? Russia annexed Crimea and eastern Ukraine despite not even 100% controlling the later given the war. America occupied Iraq and Afghanistan for years, whilst not officially annexing either of them, but hundreds of thousands were still killed during said occupations. The West Bank and half of Gaza are under occupation as we speak. You don't want "annexation", but are fine with occupation for an indeterminate amount of time even as a million people are turned into refugees and hundreds are murdered, including Refugees. Lebanese residents are being ethnically cleansed from their homes by Israel, as demanded by party leaders, so what exactly the difference between "occupation" and "annexation" for these residents? Why is "annexation" unthinkable, but "occupation" is fine when both necessitate a violent military presence.

The lapid statement I do not recognize, can you please provide a reference?

[Lapid] (https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-889402)

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azure_beauty@reddit

Thank you for the source regarding lapid, I don't have the energy to look through his 30-something minute interview, but going by the citation in the article, the assertion seems to be the same as the others, these threats are focused on the demilitarization of Hezbollah, and the proposed solutions (which I personally find to be disgusting, to be clear) are not presented as permanent.

Benjamin Netanyahu has also not endorsed any police even mildly resembling the annexation of Lebanon, because again, that is not Israel's policy.

Of course I admit that this is an occupation, how can we possibly invade Lebanon and control territory without that being considered an occupation?

What is the difference, you ask? Well, the difference is that an occupation is temporary, it exists to serve a specific military objective, following which Israel withdraws back to it's borders and life returns to how it was before.

An annexation means the acquisition of land for Israel, it would mean the forever displacement of Lebanese, and a settlement effort by Israelis, on a land that will from that point on be forever Israeli, as you cannot simply withdraw from a land that is part of your state.

Such an action is also blatantly illegal, as has been established in the post-WWII world order. There is no desire to expand Israel's borders, there is no desire to permanently control what is not ours. All the Israeli public wants is the guaranteed security of Israeli villages on the Israeli side of the border.

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

What is the difference, you ask? Well, the difference is that an occupation is temporary, it exists to serve a specific military objective, following which Israel withdraws back to it's borders and life returns to how it was before.

Israeli occupations have lasted longer than even famous annexations though. Golan Heights have been under Israeli Occupation since 1967 and have thousands of Israeli Settlers living there. It's not even recognized as legitimate by the international post-WWII "order" you cite. Despite the fall of the Ba'athists, who were the ones in conflict with Israel, they've expanded their territory at the expense of the Jolani government whose shown no desire to attack Israel for their expansions and hundreds strikes on their territory/infrastructure

Would the Jolani gov be justified in invading Golan the same way Israel is with South Lebanon? Is Israel not a threat to Syria the same way Hezbollah is (Hezbollah doesn't even occupy Israeli land, so Syria's in a more justifiable position no?). Israel occupied South Lebanon for 15 years and failed to dislodge Hezbollah, are they to endure another 15 years of perpetual violence and occupation that may or may not pan out in any completion of objectives or get the "Gaza" treatment like Israeli party officials clamor for which has already leaned into the language of "ethnic cleansing" by talking about wiping Lebanese villages off the map and preventing a return of refugees?

Are Israeli's actions Golan and Lebanon an invasion, an annexation, or an occupation? From Israel's perspective, they may as well be the same when Golan has been occupied for nearly a lifetime and have settlements established. What "guarantees" are there that Israel won't replicate the Golan Heights method in Lebanon when they've clearly shown they don't care about "international law" in light of the hundreds of Palestinians they've killed in Gaza since the ceasefire, the tens of thousands of Palestinians in the West Bank that were displaced last year, and deliberate strikes on civilian infrastructure in Iran in a war kickstarted by Netanyahu's government.

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azure_beauty@reddit

You yourself just wrote out the difference while pretending to not understand it, funny.

The Golan Heights: an annexation, that land is Israeli, it will not be given back. There are Israelis living there, it is sovereign Israeli territory as much as downtown Tel-Aviv is.

Southern Lebanon: an occupation. As you yourself stated, after occupying the territory in the last for extensive periods of time, Israel always withdraws upon completing some military objective. There are no settlers in the territory, the land belongs to the state of Lebanon.

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

And what exactly is going to compel Israel to "return" the land to Lebanon once its objectives are complete when its actions in Syria have shown a no interest in abandoning their recent land grabs beyond Golan since Assad's fall (a clear violation of international law)? Is that a "temporary" occupation like Lebanon is purported to be as Israeli leaders clamor for South Lebanese villages to be ethnically cleansed? What leeway does Israel deserve when they've exposed their perfidiousness this past week with the Lebanon/Beirut strikes after the ceasefire was declared?

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azure_beauty@reddit

There is no ceasefire in Lebanon, Israel has stated so, Hezbollah has stated so, Lebanon has stated so, so everyone is on the same page.

Asking what's going to compel Israel to "return" the land assumes continuously occupying it is the neutral position, but it is not, the neutral position is the withdrawal of all forces once the military objectives have been met, something Israel has done time and time again thoughout its short history.

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

There is no ceasefire in Lebanon, Israel has stated so, Hezbollah has stated so, Lebanon has stated so, so everyone is on the same page.

Quit your bullshit, bro, Pakistan, the nation that mediated the Ceasefire, says it includes Lebanon:

"With the greatest humility, I am pleased to announce that the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America, along with their allies, have agreed to an immediate ceasefire everywhere including Lebanon and elsewhere, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY."

something Israel has done time and time again thoughout its short history.

You've left Gaza, but are currently occupying half of it. You've left Lebanon after a years long anti-Israeli insurgency but are currently invading it. You've never left Golan. And are occupying and building settlements in the West Bank. The major "exception" is Egypt which saw Israel forced out via military force. If anything, history has proven it's violence that ousts Israel, not Israel's disposition towards peace.

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azure_beauty@reddit

I don't care what Pakistan says, Israel did not sign the agreement, Hezbollah did not sign the agreement. Both parties insist that the war is still ongoing, regardless of what Iran or Pakistan may insist.

Not to mention that it they want Israel to adhere to the agreement, it really wouldn't hurt for them to actually publicly release the agreement that is being referenced instead of each party making up what suits their narrative.

We left Gaza entirely. The reason we're back is because they attacked us. We left Lebanon entirely, multiple times over. The rason we're back is because they attacked us.

We never left the Golan because Syria refused a land-for-peace deal, and it was annexed. Proving my point about the difference between annexation and occupation.

The west bank does not belong to any sovereign state to hand it over to.

The war in Egypt resulted in Israeli troops capable of marching towards Cairo, and an entire division cut off and surrounded by Israel. The war ended when the Americans begged Israel to halt their advance over the fear of Soviet Nukes flying to save their middle eastern ally.

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

I don't care what Pakistan says, Israel did not sign the agreement, Hezbollah did not sign the agreement. Both parties insist that the war is still ongoing, regardless of what Iran or Pakistan may insist.

No shit Hezbollah insists its not valid when you bombed Beirut just hours after the Ceasefire was announced. If anything, Israel's perfidiousness only serves to justify Hezbollah's existence which didn't exist until you invaded in the 80s. Even Lebanon's government clamored to have Israel stop Israeli violations of the Ceasefire after 2024. So I guess the only force that was willing to resist these attacks in Lebanon should never responded and accept continued bombings I guess.

We left Gaza entirely. The reason we're back is because they attacked us. We left Lebanon entirely, multiple times over. The rason we're back is because they attacked us.

You left Gaza because the violence against the Israeli occupation was unsustainable and imposed a blockade to suffocate them. Also, Israel has since killed hundreds of Palestinians in Gaza since the Ceasefire so do they have the right to launch another Oct 7th in retaliation and occupy Israel? Its only fair no given the violence imposed upon Gaza in retaliation for Oct 7th was a hundred fold compared to what Hamas did.

And Israel has attacked Lebanon hundreds of times after the 2024 Ceasefire as mentioned above. Hezbollah was right to respond with violence per your logic on "self-defense" seeing as they're the only force in Lebanon that is willing to fight Israel.

We never left the Golan because Syria refused a land-for-peace deal, and it was annexed. Proving my point about the difference between annexation and occupation.

That excuse would work if the Ba'athists were still in power, but they arent. Has Israel made any overture towards the peace they desperately crave as they conduct further land grabs beyond Golan and bomb Syria even now? Would you cry if Syria launches an offensive to take back the land Israel has since Assad's fall? 100 Syrians have died from unprovoked Israeli strikes, so a 1,000 Israelis in Golan getting killed is acceptable no? Or does self-defense only apply when your country is dropping bombs?

The west bank does not belong to any sovereign state to hand it over to.

How about the Palestinian Authority who've effectively yielded to the Israeli occupation to the chagrin of Palestinians still living under the terror of settler violence and IDF killings that has killed over 1,000 and displaced 10,000s since 2023. Seeing as as many West Bank Palestinians have been killed by Israelis since Oct 7th, they're free to launch another infitada and kill thousands of Israelis in retaliation no? Its only fair in light of what's been done to Gaza and Lebanon.

The war in Egypt resulted in Israeli troops capable of marching towards Cairo, and an entire division cut off and surrounded by Israel. The war ended when the Americans begged Israel to halt their advance over the fear of Soviet Nukes flying to save their middle eastern ally.

So violence is the language Israel speaks then? That the threat of nuclear annihilation is what forces them to yield? If that's the case, no wonder Israel is terrified of a nuclear Iran, it'd force them to yield in their continued slaughter of Palestinians, Lebanese, and Syrians.

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azure_beauty@reddit

The fact that Hezbollah is the strongest power in the land they illegally occupy doesn't automatically give them any legitimacy, and the sooner you realize that the better.

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

What "legitimacy" are you even talking about? What does it matter that Hezbollah isn't recognized as "legitimate" by any worldwide organization or body? Israel's claims to West Bank and Golan aren't any less "legitimate" than Hezbollah's role in Lebanon but they still both impose their will via militant force, but for some reason you take issue with the "terror" group engaging in violence against Israeli incursions as your party leaders call for ethnic cleansing while your country's military kills Palestinians and Syrians in peacetime by the hundreds like its nothing. Am I supposed to be aghast at Hezbollah's militancy but accepting of Israel's mass murder because its a state military?

As if getting murdered by Hezbollah is somehow a worse fate than getting murdered by the IDF, but cause only one is "legitimate" I'm supposed to take Israel's side as they slaughter 10x the number of people Hezbollah does? Is "democratic" violence suppose to be more palatable than "terrorist" violence even as the former kills, maims, and displaced thousands more than the terror group?

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azure_beauty@reddit

Are you seriously asking why it matters that a terrorist militia is occupying a country against it's will to use it's terrory as a staging ground to terrorize neighboring countries?

Hezbollah is responsible for hundreds of Israeli deaths, more than 250 Americans, hundreds if not thousands of Lebanese, and tens if not hundreds of thousands in Syria.

If you see no problems with that, I don't care about anything else you have to say.

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

Israel is responsible for a hundred thousand Palestinian deaths in Gaza. 1k in West Bank since 2023, and 2k in Lebanon this past month in a war your nation agitated by repeatedly bombing the country and violating the ceasefire. Please explain why I'm to find Hezbollah so much more abhorrent as an "illegal" terror group when your nation has proven itself has proven itself to be a far greater mass murdering butchers. What, one's a internationally recognized democracy and the other an illegal terror group? The technical "legality" of each bothers you more than the sheer death and destruction they reap, a figure that Israel far outclasses Hezbollah in.

Also, idk where you're even getting that Syria 100,000's of thousands killed by Hezbollah figure when ISIS, Russia, Turkey, the U.S, Assad, Rebels, all collectively contributed to that half million death toll in Syria so idk why you feel the need to pin that war's death toll all on Hezbollah, especially seeing Israel themselves loved bombing Syrians during the Civil War and still are.

Also, wtf were those 250 Americans doing in Lebanon in the barracks bombing? They were a foreign military occupation power in Lebanon, do you cry when as many Russian soldiers in East Ukraine are killed in a strike or only when an enemy of Israel dares to use violence against the enemies occupying their land?

Also guess what, tge U.S, the nation that subsidizes the Israeli military with arms sales and diplomatic cover, is responsible for the deaths of millions in the 21st century alone with the Global War on Terror. You're aghast at Hezbollah terroristic behavior, yet Israel attaches itself to the greatest warmongering butcher of the past 80 years. For some reason, I'm not particularly convinced by the supposed horror I'm to feel about the thousands Hezbollah has killed when a democracy like the U.S has killed millions and attaches itself to Israel but you seem more bothered by the former.

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azure_beauty@reddit

A. The Americans and French were in Lebanon as a peacekeeping force

B. The 1k killed in the west bank are terrorist militants, not going to have me feel sorry for those by twisting the numbers and committing their terror.

C. Hezbollah helped Assad massacre Syrian civilians, not sure why you pretend like they were independent forces of nature

D. If you seriously see no problem with a terrorist group illegally occupying a territory against the will of the people living there, there is no further discussion to be had.

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

A. The Americans and French were in Lebanon as a peacekeeping force

They were there to implement Israel's agenda after they invaded Lebanon, helping to ensure Israeli goals in Lebanon that killed thousands prior would be achieved.

The year prior, Israel murdered thousands in the Seige of Beirut with American made equipment (no different from how Hezbollah and Assad were tied no?), but Lebanese were just supposed to "accept" Israel's violence upon the nation and those who implement Israel's agenda? Imagine if China sent "peacekeeping" forces to ensure the "smooth transition" of Russia's gradual absorption of East Ukraine or displacement of ethnic Ukrainians (kind of like what's going on in South Lebanon now), somehow I wouldn't feel very sorry if a Ukrainian terror group elected to bomb those foreign peacekeepers. Why the fuck would it be unthinkable that Lebanese resistance treat a foreign occupyer acting in conjuction with Israel differently than the Israeli military occupation? The group that committed the act didn't even exist until the Israeli invasion so I guess it really blewback on those two nations that backed Israel huh?

B. The 1k killed in the west bank are terrorist militants, not going to have me feel sorry for those by twisting the numbers and committing their terror.

Every single fucking week, there's a story of the IDF shooting a Palestinian civillian or settlers committing a pogrom. What "terroristic" act has West Bank committed en masse to warrant 1k killed and tens of thousands displaced, especially when it manifests in you gunning them down on the regular? How can you call them all "terrorists" when YOUR country is violently displacing them from their homes by the thousands? Also, you've killed hundreds of Palestinians in Gaza since the Ceasefire, so I'm hard-pressed to buy the crocodile years over the apparent threat of these 1k terrorists in the West Bank posed when you're the ones constantly killing people by the hundreds on the regular, not Palestinians.

Oct 7th killed 1k Israelis, half of them soldiers so from the Palestinian perspective they were the "terrorists", and your nation killed a hundredfold in retaliation. Do Palestinians in the West Bank have the right to kill 100,000 Israelis for the violence in the West Bank and continued displacement? Do they have the right to "self-defense" as you keep gunning them down in the streets and forcing them out of their homes?

C. Hezbollah helped Assad massacre Syrian civilians, not sure why you pretend like they were independent forces of nature

Israel and the U.S have killed thousands of Syrians as well. You're attached to the hip of the U.S and its mass murdering foreign policy. Once again, why am I supposed to find Hezbollah's actions worse than the U.S/Israel's? You keep screaming "they're illegal!" as if Israel isn't conducting its own "illegal" acts of occupation and murder as we speak.

D. If you seriously see no problem with a terrorist group illegally occupying a territory against the will of the people living there, there is no further discussion to be had.

Hezbollah is awful for "illegally" occupying Lebanon while Israel is illegally occupying Golan and West Bank as you keep killing Syrians and Palestinians in both. Once again, show me the difference between the violence of the terror group vs. the nation Israel. You appeal to this idea that terror groups like Hezbollah are this ultimate evil, while your country kills 10x the number of people so what gives? Hezbollah "illegally" resists your nation's invasion with violence and your country "legally" murders 300 Lebanese people in a single day? I thought this was about occupying South Lebanon no? Why are you 10x the violence Hezbollah has done this month in a single day?

What makes Hezbollah worse than Israel being cause of "legality" is a weak fucking excuse especially from a country that clearly doesn't give a shit about international law.

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azure_beauty@reddit

The Lebanese weren't "supposed" to accept anything, it is a simple truth that Lebanon has the right to excercise national sovereignty as a state. The Americans and French did not invade, they were peacekeepers. Hezbollah, on the other hand, is occupying Lebanese territory despite Lebanon explicitly prohibiting their activities. They enforce their rule through terror excercised towards the Lebanese, and strengthen their position by slaughtering Syrian and Israeli civilian, as well as everyone else they can get their hands on.

You are more sympathetic towards a terror group slaughtering civilians than you are to a peacekeeping force. That says enough.

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Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit

There is no desire to expand Israel's borders, there is no desire to permanently control what is not ours. All the Israeli public wants is the guaranteed security of Israeli villages on the Israeli side of the border.

It is completely laughable to claim this when the West Bank exists. This is some “we’ve always been at war with Eastasia bullshit.”

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azure_beauty@reddit

The west bank is not any state's sovereign territory, that's the difference.

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Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit

It seems that when a group politicians are openly calling for the ethnic cleansing of a region, there should probably be a significant amount of pushback against them if that’s not once the populous really wants.

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azure_beauty@reddit

Of course we would all like that, but unfortunately that is not the case across the world, and Israel's problems is in no way unique.

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FlagerantFragerant@reddit

How you have the patience to explain stuff like this that a 4 year old can understand is a miracle

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azure_beauty@reddit

Just had dinner, cuddling my cat. Probably should put the phone down and read a book or something, but these apps are designed off of the premise of hate being addictive.

Don't think I've ever changed anyone's view on here, I've definitely had more success in IRL outreach and community building.

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KorkBredy@reddit

It's alright, aside for people who have picked their side, there are also a lot of people who are on the fence

After reading about evil Israel massacring elderly children it is important to see the other side of the argument, or else it all will turn into an echo chamber

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azure_beauty@reddit

Where are the Hasbarah bots when you need them lol

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Eliksne@reddit

Funny how israeli's claims on reddit are always in opposition with unhinged declarations of the politicians they put in power.

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azure_beauty@reddit

Your argument would make sense if Otzma Yehudit and Religious Zionism constituted some majority of the Knesset, as opposed to 13 seats out of 120.

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Eliksne@reddit

It's a work in progress. How many years did it take until the idea of annexing the West Bank finally became widespread in the Knesset ?
It always begin with small steps.

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azure_beauty@reddit

The idea of annexing the West Bank is not widespread in the Knesset, because that would require absorbing five million Palestinians that hate Israel as citizens.

The belief that Jews should have a right to live in the West Bank goes back thousands of years to the days when it was called Judea and Samaria, with Jews not having ever completely left the area until 1948, when Jordan expelled the entire population.

Given that no other state has been established in the territory, Jews continue living there, with the largest settlements being in places where a Jewish community already existed prior to their expelsiom in 1948, with the biggest difference being that the International community somehow decided the Jordanians weee correct and the jews lost their right to the land because another power briefly controller it.

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Guaire1@reddit

Jews didnt love there since the times of israel and samaria because when those states existed judaism didnt exist yet. Anythikg recognizable as judaism only appeared after the babylonisn exile, prior to that it was just another group of polytheistic caananites.

And if you then instead mean that jews are the descendants of those ancient people. Which isnt wrong. You have then to acknowledge that so are palestinians. Any single genetic test done of palestinians proves that they are the exact same people inhabiting that region since the iron age.

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azure_beauty@reddit

You know how Jews call themselves in Hebrew? Judeans. "Judaism" is an exonym, and comes from the green "Iudaismos," also meaning "the culture of the Judeans."

We existed as a single group back then, and we still do, believing in (more or less) the same god and celebrating the same holidays. The Samaritans also still exist, but they number only a couple hundred due to the Arab oppression that limited their numbers. It is true that the Babylonian exile was formative for the Jewish identity, but it existed prior to the Babylonians, and the Babylonian exile was what directly followed the collapse of the kingdom of Judah. You're discussing the same people, only a couple hundred years apart. I don't get your argument.

There are also some Palestinians whose ancestry traces back to the Canaanites, correct. But I don't see anyone denying that, so I don't know why I should emphasize that point?

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Guaire1@reddit

Wow so much wrong

Firstly there arent "some" palestinians whose ancwstry traces back to the caananites. ALL palestinians trace back to them, all of them are indigenous.

And yes, a lot of people deny the indigenousness of the palestinians. Its probably the 2nd most common pro israeli argument.

And no, you werent a single group back theb. Its agreed by all scholars and historians that israelites pre babylonian captivity were undistinguishable fron the other city-states of canaan, the argument about same god and same holidays is particularly laughable when pre babylonian israelites were polytheistic, and festivities as important as Purim or Hannukah were obviously not original. One is explicitely about the achaemenids persians and the other about victory against the greeks.

Also the main reason samaritan numbers are low were a series of genocides by the eastern romans.

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azure_beauty@reddit

You're telling me a Palestinian clan that proudly traces it's ancestry back to Syrian or Egyptian tribes or Mohammed is actually secretly descended from canaanites?

Don't be ridiculous, some Palestinians lived in the land for thousands of years, other descend from more recent immigration, neither is less Palestinian, neither is less deserving of the right to live in safety and security in their own homes.

It's agreed by all scholars and historians that Israelites pre Babylonian captivity were indistinguishable from the other city-states of Canaan.

And nevertheless, they were a unique nation whose beliefs later solidified into Judaism, whereas the other cultures and beliefs died out. For the Israelis El was the major god, who later merged into the current god we know today. When I point to holidays, I refer to things like Passover, I would think it's a given that Judeans didn't celebrate Hanukkah, considering Judea collapsed in 586 BCE, and the story of Hanukkah takes place in 164 BCE.

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Guaire1@reddit

Not secretely descended from caananites. Its a very well known fact. Every single genetic research conducted on the palestinian people shows that they are the exact same as the iron age inhabitants of the region (and the same is true for the average jew as well).

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azure_beauty@reddit

You can't conduct genetic research on "the Palestinian people" because they are a large collection of independent tribal groups who each have their own history and ethnic identity, I cannot believe someone claiming to advocate for Palestine cannot understand this basic reality. Have you ever even been to Palestine?

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Guaire1@reddit

Okay firstly, there is a palestinian identity, denying that is weird as fuck.

Secondly, you can definitely do a genetic research even if there wasnt.

Thirdly, those genetic researchs have already been done, their results are already known, and they say that all palestinians are descendant of iron age caananites

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azure_beauty@reddit

Of course there is a Palestinian identity (even if fractured), and this identity is not defined by DNA. A person whose tribe came from Arabia or Egypt in the 19th century is just as Palestinian as a person whose family has lived in the same city for hundreds of years.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

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Eliksne@reddit

You know you're not really helping your case. Of course when you're talking about annexing the West Bank we know very well you mean to finish your ethnic cleansing first.

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azure_beauty@reddit

What are you talking about

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EH1987@reddit

The daily pogroms and murderers by settler terrorists and soldiers.

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Eliksne@reddit

Come on, you can't be that naive

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azure_beauty@reddit

We're ethnically cleansing the west bank? That's news to me, where are the Palestinians being expelled to?

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Eliksne@reddit

For now you're just forcing them to relocate but i'm sure soon or later you'll come up with some creative plans to get rid of them like you tried in Gaza.

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azure_beauty@reddit

Yes ethnic violence happens and yes it often (unjustly) drives people out of their homes, but that doesn't make true your claims that Israel is attempting to ethnically cleanse the West Bank, something that is simply not happening.

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Eliksne@reddit

What's going to happen when, as the consequence of land theft and expulsions, the palestinian population will not have the means to substain itself, according to you ?

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azure_beauty@reddit

I don't think that's going to happen 🤷‍♀️

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Eliksne@reddit

As expected, i bet the famine in Gaza didn't bother you much either.

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azure_beauty@reddit

It literally didn't happen

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MelodiusRA@reddit

What about the Occitans, Frenchy? Sit this one out

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Eliksne@reddit

You gotta be the most inbred yankee to think this is relatable.

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FlagerantFragerant@reddit

He's not bullshitting, he's just smart enough to know that 18 politicians sreaching about something has very little to do with what the country's actual direction is. Picking up a reading habit already

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

18 politicians sreaching about something has very little to do with what the country's actual direction is.

That "direction" being a country that:

Authorized the death penalty for Palestinians 62 to 48 just a few days ago?

Launched a series of strikes that killed hundreds of people in Lebanon moments after Netenyahu declared the ceasefire with Iran did not apply to Lebanon despite the Pakistan government saying otherwise

Authorized 30 new settler outposts in West Bank today?

Please show me what I'm missing about the "peaceful" direction of the Israeli government that has killed more Lebanese people the past month than Hamas did on Oct 7th, an event that is still being used to justify the continued killings of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank?

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FlagerantFragerant@reddit

More random links that have nothing to do with weather Israel is showing intension to occupy Lebanon 🤦🤦

Pick up a reading habit that doesn't include Reddit - fast.

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Roy_Atticus_Lee@reddit

"At the end of the operation, the IDF will establish itself in a security zone inside Lebanon, on a defensive line against anti-tank missiles, and will maintain security control over the entire area up to the Litani."

"In addition, the return of more than 600,000 residents of southern Lebanon who evacuated northward will be completely prohibited south of the Litani until the safety and security of northern residents are ensured," he added.

"All houses in villages near the border in Lebanon will be destroyed - according to the model of Rafah and Beit Hanoun in Gaza - to remove, once and for all, the threats near the border to northern residents," he said. - Israel Katz (Minister of Defense of Israel)

Sounds like an "occupation" to me, but I guess we can't trust what the Minister of Defense for the Likud party and Netanyahu's government says about the war for some reason.

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FlagerantFragerant@reddit

Sounds like occupation to you because you've resisted forming healthy reading habits.

Security buffer != Occupation 🤷

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Guaire1@reddit

It is, in fact, the same thing

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FlagerantFragerant@reddit

,,it I,s in ,,,,,,,, fact not, ev,en close ,,,, to,,, ,,, being ,,, the same,,,,,,,, thi,,,ng

(Lemme know if I put in enough commas)

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

What do you think a “security zone inside Lebanon” is? Do you need us to use smaller words or something?

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HockeyHocki@reddit

Good job missing the point entirely, its literally written in the article you linked the purpose would be to eliminate the threat from Iran and its sympathisers i.e. hezbollah

If hezbollah were out of the equation like i suggested then common sense should have told you this proposal would be out of the equation too

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Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit

Ethnic cleansing for peace.

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party_core_@reddit

You unironically commented "you cease, we fire" recently

we just want peace

bull-fucking-shit

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ChosenArabian@reddit

Could be in the past. In modern times, doesn't seem to be their goal.

In any case, Hezbollah has long overstayed its purpose and welcome. It now only serves to start wars most Lebanese don't want and can't handle. Yes, it practically started both recent wars. The most recent when they decided to avenge Khamenie with 6 pathetic rockets to start.

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exegenes1s@reddit

Both Netanyahu and the opposition leader Yapid have literally ADMITTED VERBALLY that they are working towards greater israel. You're an idiot to deny it. If hezbollah didn't exist, southern Lebanon would already be norther Israel. Israel would make up some other excuse, like Palestinian fighters hiding in a tunnel under a daycare or some shit

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ChosenArabian@reddit

Wasn't Sinai in Israel's grip? It's supposedly part of greater Israel. Yet it was given up for peace.

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exegenes1s@reddit

Part of Israeli revisionist history. Israel gave up the Sinai to get Egypt to stab Syria in the back in the 67 war, securing the Golan. Israel could not take both, so the picked the better land. Just like when they say the "gave up Gaza for nothing", no, they were forced out by Hamas, and decided to focus on stealing the West Bank first.

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Eliksne@reddit

Also important to not forget Israel has never stopped bombing Lebanon during the previous cease-fire but i guess since it didn't hit Beyrouth, nobody cared.

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Zipz@reddit

Hey remind me what were the terms of that ceasefire ?

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Eliksne@reddit

For Israel to not assassinate journalists but they couldn't help themselves.

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Zipz@reddit

It’s funny how all you guys can do is downvote and say random shit

It’s funny how none of you guys know what you’re talking about

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bradicality@reddit

shut it down guys, the happy warriors for israel have arrived

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Zipz@reddit

I love how all you guys can do is deflect

Want to try answering the question?

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bradicality@reddit

You’re doing great girlypop keep it up

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Zipz@reddit

Damn doubling down thanks for proving my point

LOL

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toms1313@reddit

You have no point to prove...

You have mandated talking points

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Zipz@reddit

I love another person who can’t dispute what I said so you turn is hasbra

I love embarrassing you guys you make it too easy

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toms1313@reddit

I love embarrassing you guys you make it too easy

Ohh, you're living in a parallel dimension

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Zipz@reddit

I mean when you can’t debate what I said and just yell random made up insults…. Ya you did make a fool of yourself

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toms1313@reddit

Show me a single insult please.

Ya you did make a fool of yourself

Continuing to live in that parallel dimension i see

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juiceboxheero@reddit

'Look what you make me do' cries the abuser.

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splader@reddit

Israel? Europe? America?

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Jugaimo@reddit

As horrific as this callous loss of life is, what else can Israel do? Hezbollah, just like Hamas, fired hundreds of missiles at Israel before scuttling into the crowd of their own people. The only way for Israel to secure its own safety is to remove these cowards.

And yet these strikes probably created far more terrorists than removed.

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fcukou@reddit

Hezbollah fired rockets after months of Israel bombing Lebanon. The Lebanese people have a right to defend themselves, as much as the Friends of Jeffrey claim otherwise.

If Israel doesn't want rockets fired at it, they should completely withdraw from Lebanon, which they have never done.

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birehcannes@reddit

The Lebanese people hate Hezbollah, the government has told them in strong terms to disarm and the only reason they haven't sent the army in is because it would lead to a civil war.

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fcukou@reddit

If the Lebanese people hated Hezbollah that much, they wouldn't be a thing. The truth that uneducated Angloids don't understand is that Hezbollah actually has quite a bit of support in Lebanon, even from a number of Sunnis and Christians, because unlike the Lebanese miltiary, they actually stand up to Israel.

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birehcannes@reddit

Go in the Lebanon sub, they rightly had support when they were the resistance many decades ago, but now they are reviled as their actions in the last 20 years have have brought ruin on Lebanon.

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fcukou@reddit

The Lebanon sub is a bunch of Israelis and Lebanese diaspora who don't speak Arabic.

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Jugaimo@reddit

Hezbollah is an Iranian proxy militia whose entire goal is to weaken both Lebanon and Israel. They attack Israel and weaken Lebanon for Iran to eventually consume. They are the invaders.

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fcukou@reddit

Hezbollah is an Iraniannl proxy as much as Israel is a US proxy.

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Lowetheiy@reddit

Your racism is showing. People are not colors. There are no "brown" people except in the delusions of modern leftist brain rot.

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Jugaimo@reddit

Have you completely forgotten that Hezbollah started that last round of fighting too? And every round for that matter? You can criticize Israel’s methods, but don’t deny who started it. Back at the start of the Gazan War, Hezbollah launched thousands of missiles. You really think Israel wanted to fight both Hamas and Hezbollah at the same time?

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

“Hezbollah started the current round of fighting while we were bombing them! How could they be so pro-war?!”

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

I mean dude idk how to break this to you, but the wholesale purpose of Hezbollah is to fight in wars. Its entire goal is to destroy Israel via armed conflict. Hezbollah itself openly talks about this

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Sure, bro. Israel’s occupation of Lebanon back in the 80s plus all the atrocities dice had nothing to do with it…

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fcukou@reddit

Israel signed a ceasefire and never stopped firing. Why do you believe the Lebanese don't have a right to defend themselves?

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

You don’t know the term of that ceasefire, do you.

lebanese people… racist position

You’re equating Hezbollah, a militia that affords executive power to the Supreme Leader of Iran (Iran is not Lebanon, by the way), with “the Lebanese people”. That’s shockingly ignorant for sure, and could probably be argued as being racist too

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fcukou@reddit

If the Christian and Sunni Lebanese who.have also been killed as a result of Israeli bombing defended themselves from Israel, which they also have the right to do, you would condemn them, as well. Your opinion has nothing to do with Hezbollah and everyone to do with your racism.

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

If they join Hezbollah, they’re not defending themselves from Israel. You just don’t understand what Hezbollah is, because you’ve caricaturized it and don’t know how it’s structured, or how it works. That’s OK, of course, but I just wouldn’t talk about it if I were you.

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fcukou@reddit

Unlike you, I understand exactly what Hezbollah is: a paramilitary organization that organically grew out of discontent among the Shia in Lebanon who suffered significantly under an illegal Israeli occupation and who were underrepresented in the Lebanese government. And unlike the cowardly Lebanese military, they actually resistant the illegal Israeli occupation of Lebanon, resulting in their legitimization in the eyes many Lebanese people, and eventually resulting in their transition into a full fledge political party with a significant voice in the Lebanese government.

Any else you want to regurgitate from something you heard someone on Fox News say?

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

If you think Hezbollah grew organically, then you just don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s extremely easy to read the basic, surface level history of how the group grew and obtained the capabilities that it has today. It’s even easier to read literally their own statements and organizational chart, and understand where they allocate executive authority. If you don’t know any of this, you just probably shouldn’t be talking about the situation.

I don’t watch Fox News, obviously, they’re too dumb to offer anything of substance on any subject, including this one

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fcukou@reddit

You have never read anything except reddit comments if you think that anything you said is accurate. I don't think you could even name who the closest thing to an equivalent of the pope is in Shia Islam without looking it up.

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

You have a disastrous perception of political Islam if you think the supreme leader of Iran is (was) anything close to the Catholic pope.

If you want to know what Hezbollah’s organizational structure looks like - because at this point it’s painfully obvious that you don’t know already - just check out the chapter on Hezbollah from Stephen Biddle’s Nonstate Warfare. It’s like 40 bucks on Amazon for the physical book, but you can probably find it for free online

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fcukou@reddit

Embarrassing. You don't even know the basics.

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

That isn’t the supreme leader of Iran, which is the individual in which Hezbollah places executive authority. Are you confused? That’s also OK, it just helps to read a bit - it’s also OK if an author isn’t a native speaker of a language of one of the factions in just one of a number of chapters of a book he wrote, btw

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fcukou@reddit

I literally asked you if you could name the closest equivalent to the Pope in Shia Islam. Not only did you get it woefully wrong, you still don't even understand the question you were asked.

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Jugaimo@reddit

Hezbollah wasn’t on the ceasefire

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fcukou@reddit

Lebanon and Israel signed a ceasefire agreement in November of 2024 that was approved and agreed to by Hezbollah. Despite signing that ceasefire, Israel kept bombing Lebanon, despite Hezbollah not launching any attacks in return. The Lebanese people have a right to defend themselves from Israeli aggression, and the fact you can't bring yourself to say that tells us all anyone here needs to know about what you think about non-white people.

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Jugaimo@reddit

The mere fact that Hezbollah was still able to launch EVEN MORE missiles at the start of the Iran war is evidence enough that Lebanon failed or refused to uphold their end of the ceasefire anyways. Lebanon is the one charged with disarming Hezbollah. But if they can’t or won’t do it, then Israel will. As we can see now.

The ceasefire in 2024 was predicated on the assumption that Lebanon would actually do something about the terrorists bombing Israel. But they took no action.

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Dirkdeking@reddit

Lebanon is not capable of disarming Hezbollah. Violence always comes in flares. If Hezbollah shoots rockets at Israel, then sure, Israel has the right to retaliate against that and target them.

And Hezbollah did that following okt 7 and recently during the war with Iran. But in the case of this ceasefire Hezbollah unilaterally decided to not targer Israel. If a ceasefire is agrees upon and Hezbollah doesn't fire at Israel after the agreed upon time, then Israel is acting as a spoiler if it starts bombing Lebanon after that date.

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JKallStar@reddit

And Hezbollah did that following okt 7 and recently during the war with Iran.

Incorrect. israel never stopped flying planes and drones from 2006 onwards, kidnappings, etc. On top of that, its part of UN that youre supposed to help any country or people that are being genocided. Additionally, like a day or 2 before usa hit Iran, israel were mobilising a drone force at the border and calling for war. israel are always the ones starting wars.

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fcukou@reddit

Israel violated the ceasefire the first day after it was signed. If such a situation were reverse, you would be condemning Lebanon for striking Israel because 24 hour is not enough time to disarm the largest miltiary force in Israel. You don't here, because you don't give a damn about Lebanese people, you are just a racist who thinks white people have a right to do whatever they want.

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Killeroftanks@reddit

actually they were, part of the ceasefire was that the US and israel would stop any attacks on iran and any iranian allies. this includes hamas and hezbollah.

just that israel, because theyre ran by morons, believed that for some dumbass reason, hezbollah, who is actively working with iran, isnt an iranian ally... for some dumbass reason.

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Jugaimo@reddit

No. It’s pretty obvious that Israel had no intention of a ceasefire to begin with. This was something that Trump drafted on his own, believing that Israel would just follow his lead without any protest. Israel is thrilled to keep America in this war.

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Dirkdeking@reddit

The legitimacy of Israels strike depends on weather or not Hezbollah complied with the ceasefire after the date was set. In the fog of war and with all the competing narratives loaded with emotional language it is hard to establish the actual facts and chain of events.

Without that information we can not evaluate if Israel was wrong here.

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Killeroftanks@reddit

sure, but we can also use past evidence to see the likelihood of these being legit strikes.

israel doesnt have a good history on this so i am gonna lean towards most of these werent against hezbollah in which case israel just attacked lebanon for no reason, besides most likely start a new war to keep bibi out of prison.

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KronusTempus@reddit

The only way for Israel to secure its own safety is to remove these ~~cowards~~ Israel from the face of the planet.

FTFY

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Jugaimo@reddit

Genocider

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KronusTempus@reddit

I’ll take your word for it, you are an authority on genocide afterall

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Jugaimo@reddit

Your stance is to annihilate a nation of 8 million people. There is nothing to debate.

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KronusTempus@reddit

They are currently engaged in trying to remove every country around them. I think the americucks should stand back and let the rest of the world pull the plug on the Zionist project.

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Jugaimo@reddit

Israel won that exact same war in far worse conditions back in 1948.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Wow, you really don’t know history at all, do you? The British built up Zionist forces to be larger than everyone else combines in 1948. The terrorist groups and the Zionist militia together had more troops than the entire fledgling Arab countries’ armies back then.

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Jugaimo@reddit

Israel had zero aid at the start of the conflict when the fighting was most fierce. Anything else is cope.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

You should look it up and prove you’re right.

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Jugaimo@reddit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

The US did recognize Israel, but considered them belligerents and embargoed them. the Czechs sold old WW2 weapons to Israel. The UK literally supported Transjordan.

So no, Israel won the start of that war entirely on their own, despite no aid and being massively outnumbered. You have to understand that the middle east was largely unaffected by WW2 while the Jews had faced a holocaust and actively served in the war. These were trained soldiers coming in massive waves against an unprepared middle east. While the middle east was too busy fighting amongst themselves over what they could grab of “Palestine”. Which, had Israel lost, Palestine would never had existed in the first place.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Jugaimo:

So no, Israel won the start of that war entirely on their own, despite no aid and being massively outnumbered.

From your link:

Armed forces Strength:
Israel: 29,677 initially; later 117,500
Arab Armies Total: 13,000 (initial) 51,100–63,500

I don’t understand why you claimed they were outnumbered when they outnumbered the Arab forces about 2 to 1 at every stage of the war.

You have to understand that the middle east was largely unaffected by WW2 while the Jews had faced a holocaust and actively served in the war.

As this article makes clear, the Jewish forces were led by trained and experienced officers and many of the initial forces were also trained by the British - the Jewish Settlement Police, Jewish Supernumerary Police and Special Night Squads. There was also a flood of European and US Jews with military background joining the IDF, and some non-Jews as well. There was no such movement for the Arab armies.

The Israelis also had obtained weapons from multiple sources, including stealing weapons from the British and hiding them in caches all around Palestine, including in Synagogues. Something that Israelis call a war crime now but seemed to think was fine when they did it. How many weapons they had was in dispute, however they had tanks and planes. The disparity in forces was noticeable.

These were trained soldiers coming in massive waves against an unprepared middle east. While the middle east was too busy fighting amongst themselves over what they could grab of “Palestine”. Which, had Israel lost, Palestine would never had existed in the first place.

This would all be very sad if any of it were true. Read the article you linked to, please. It shows what happened, not what you want to pretend happened.

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Jugaimo@reddit

I don’t believe scum like Haaretz of Al Jazeera. Try again.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Juan:

I don’t believe scum like Haaretz of Al Jazeera. Try again.

What a stupid canned response. We are talking about Wikipedia.

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HDK1989@reddit

what else can we possibly do

continues to murder innocents by the thousands

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i_make_orange_rhyme@reddit

Of course the strikes create terrorists.

That's israels modus this whole time.

They take and take, push and push. When something happens they jump up and down excitedly and say "now we should take more!"

100,000 dead in gaza. Countless families torn apart.

And if one, just one, of the fathers who have lost their wives/children retailates against israel, and kills 5 israelis, Israels reaction will be to kill another 100 people.

No one would believe this is for deterence.

The man who has nothing left to lose doesnt care about retailation attacks after he is dead.

Israel does this simply because they want keep the conflict going so that the borders are not fixed.

Conflict means they can take more.

Like the 820 square kms they stole from Syria in dec 2024.

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MrTatyo@reddit

The only way for Israel to secure its own safety is to remove these cowards.

You think Israel is safer now that's it's conducting a genocide, enforcing an apartheid, and commiting multiple war crimes? You can't continuously bomb countries, kill civilians, detainee and rape civilians from other countries etc and expect peace with your neighbors?

Israel is by far the biggest terrorist in the middle east.

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Dirkdeking@reddit

They actually have peace with their reasonable neighbours, Jordan and Egypt. Those they don't have peace with are on the Iranian payroll. Hezbollah and Hamas. Israel has shown itself to be perfectly capable of peace. If Hezbollah is disbanded and the Lebanese army takes full control of Lebanon Israel will 100% leave Lebanon alone.

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MrTatyo@reddit

If Hezbollah is disbanded and the Lebanese army takes full control of Lebanon Israel will 100% leave Lebanon alone.

Why is Israel occupying the west Bank? There is no Hamas or Hezbollah?

Israel has shown itself to be perfectly capable of peace.

Israel agreed to a ceasefire with Iran and then immediately broke it. And c'mon man they are actively committing a genocide, and you think thier are peaceful doves?

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Zipz@reddit

This tired myth again?

Hamas absolutely exists in the West Bank. They are actually the more popular party. Just because they don’t “rule” the west bank doesn’t mean they don’t exist there

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MelodiusRA@reddit

Israel is occupying the West Bank as a result of pushing Jordan out during the 1967 Six-Days War, when Syria, Jordan, and Egypt planned a tripartite invasion of Israel.

This was Israel’s 3rd defensive war, 2nd against Jordan.

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MrTatyo@reddit

When is Israel allowing illegal settlements in the west bank and settlers violence? Was that also a result from the six day war?

And why is Israel occupying the west bank when they were not directly involved in the six day war?

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MelodiusRA@reddit

The West Bank was a part of Transjordan, a belligerent in the war.

If you know so absolutely little about the region, why are you here posting lies? I’m not even mad, but you have to be very stupid to be that kind of personz

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Trollimperator@reddit

They deliberately targeted civilian target with questionable or no connection to any Hisbollah presence this time. Also this isnt how ceasefires work. You dont just keep shooting saying "but, they are the bad guys".

This was clearly an effort to derail the US-withdrawl from the conflict.

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Birds_are_Drones@reddit

Maybe Israel can stop committing warcrimes that create these rebellions. Or maybe Israel can delete themselves from existance such that the world may be a better place forever

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Dirkdeking@reddit

You truly are a sick person wishing for another holocaust of 9 million.

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Jugaimo@reddit

Ah yes, genocide of 8 million people. You should be a diplomat.

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Stubbs94@reddit

Hezbollah accepted the ceasefire terms... Israel responded to mass murder civilians without any warning, including demolishing a hospital and bombing a funeral.

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Jugaimo@reddit

Hezbollah can’t accept shit. They’re not the government of Lebanon. They’re literally just a terrorist organization.

The ceasefire was between US/Israel and Iran. Nobody else. Pakistan, the mediator, suggested the ceasefire be broadened to include Iranian ally states. But the US/Israel rejected that. So no, the ceasefire was not broken by Israel. It WAS broken by Iran after Israel attacked Lebanon, who justified breaking it by claiming that they agreed to Pakistan’s suggestion.

Which really just means that nobody actually agreed on a ceasefire since both sides didn’t agree on the terms in the first place.

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Killeroftanks@reddit

while not officially the Lebanese government, theyre a political group within Lebanon. and because israel stated they werent at war with lebanon but just Hezbollah then any peace/ceasefire deal with need to be done with hezhollah.

think of this less like the US with the different states, and more like the soviet union with each republic, just with things inverted.

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

They’re partially a political group (but mostly a militia and a parallel shadow government) physically located within Lebanon. But who/where, pray tell, holds ultimate decisionmaking power in Hezbollah, according to Hezbollah itself?

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Vast_Particular_@reddit

Israel didn’t claim that they were returning fire at launch sites, they claimed that they were “command and control centers” because that is vague and unverifiable.

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Khers@reddit

“Operation Eternal Darkness”.

I'm sorry but what kind of fucked up name is this when bombing civilians?

Yet Zionists will still show up in every thread defending this Nazi regime.

But residents and Lebanese officials said the strikes, which used 1,000lb bombs in densely packed residential areas of Beirut, mainly killed civilians. Lebanon’s prime minister, Nawaf Salam, accused Israel in a statement of targeting “densely populated residential neighbourhoods” and killing unarmed civilians in breach of international law.

The same Nawaf Salam that dismissed Irans requirement for a ceasefire in Lebanon? Treasonous scumbag.

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Da_reason_Macron_won@reddit

Epic Fury, Eternal Darkness.

There is a terrible realization here that several militaries across the world are controlled by edgelords who never matured past the age of 14.

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MaestroRozen@reddit

At least they're more honest this time with the naming. "Eternal Darkness" somehow feels more fitting for mass civilian casualties than the likes of "Enduring Freedom" or "Merciful Angel".

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PerforatedPie@reddit

I wonder if that was the case 100 years ago, too

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TeaBagHunter@reddit

Note that out of all recent massacres, this one was the one with the most children casualties. They bombed entire apartment complexes

I work in the hospital and I've personally seen at least 3 children (less than 10 yrs old) with a broken skull

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Laughing_Man_Returns@reddit

look at all that Hezbollah getting mowed down. that is some grade A peace right there, funded by freedom taxes!

it would be so nice if there was light at the end of the tunnel. I'd even take a speeding train or flamethrower at this point.

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ChillAhriman@reddit

300 hundred dead people just because Israel wanted to throw a tantrum against the US and Iran signing a ceasefire, making their 30th attempt to derail their "ally" into using their sovereignity to do anything other than what it benefits their agenda of senseless murder the most.

Israeli propaganda argues that Southern Lebanon is full of shiite-Hezbollah-terrorists, so they have to ethnically cleanse it all. Without even getting into the fact that they make no distinction between adult and child nor civilian and soldier, or the legitimacy of their invasion, they're so full of themselves that they launch rockets into civilian zones in an area half a country away from Hezbollah territory, a city evidently fully under the control of the Lebanese government, rather than Hezbollah. Even if they had some "pragmatic" goal in trying to continue the war, this attack was so sadistic that it's hard to understand it in terms other than the perpetrators just wanting to spill blood for blood's sake.

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Not-reallyanonymous@reddit

Israel is now committing ethnic cleansing of Southern Lebanon, and it can probably be argued are committing genocide against Shia muslims. Reports are coming out that Israel is telling Druze and Christians not to house Shiites or they'll become targets.

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this-aint-Lisp@reddit

It took Israel only 10 minutes to carry out one of the worst mass-killings in Lebanon since the end of the country’s civil war in 1990.

They were also damn proud of it. Just imagine what expertise in logistics and genocide it takes to pull of such a stunt! It kinda reminded of a 2 year old toddler proudly showing their stool in a potty.

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SludgeFilter@reddit

I guess they are just getting mentally ready for Tel Aviv to look the same and we can call it war on terror

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