Halt to Iran attacks means Netanyahu's corruption trial will resume on Sunday
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cmrd_msr@reddit
As we say in Russia, "He'll go to jail if he doesn't flee to Israel." But I don't think Bibi has a second option.
It's a shame he will never be convicted of Zionism.
kwonza@reddit
Zionism is not a crime, I’m fine with regular war crimes
cmrd_msr@reddit
Zionism is no different from other forms of Nazism. It is no better or worse than any other Nazi.
kwonza@reddit
You’re talking about modern militant Zionism which like every militant movement is aggressive and prone to expansion. Back in the days when there was no state of Israel there were plenty of Jews in Europe who hoped to achieve that goal peacefully. And I say they had every right for that wish. So when talking about this issue we must make sure not to paint with broad strokes otherwise people may misinterpret our ideas.
ianmerry@reddit
They hoped for that so badly they started… oh yeah, ethnic cleansing the Palestinians.
kwonza@reddit
Not fucking all of them, we don’t blame all of the germans for Nazis
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
80% of Israelis support the war on Lebanon that killed 250 civilians in bombing as one of the deadliest bombings in Lebanon in a decade
ThatOneDrunkUncle@reddit
Irelands hate for Israel always cracks me up lmao
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
And what's so funny?
ThatOneDrunkUncle@reddit
Ireland’s hate for Israel
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
And what is funny, like why?
ThatOneDrunkUncle@reddit
It’s just so fervent, like across the board. I understand the identity solidarity against colonizers with the Irish and Palestinians, but there’s a lot of similar causes that the Irish don’t have a strong opinion about. I lived in Dublin for a couple years and there were anti-Israel marches in the 2010s and a handful of Hamas murals in the North.
I don’t think any other country in the West hates Israel as much as the Irish, and it’s not like anyone’s too fucked about the Irish’s opinion of them, so it’s just kind of a country with a small geopolitical footprint harboring a ton of hatred against a country thousands of miles away that’s never directly done anything to them.
You may not see it as funny, but as an outsider I do. Apologies if you were offended.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Well, Ireland doesn't hate Israel
Ireland is just sympathetic to Palestine
If Israel thinks Ireland hates Israel because of sympathetic with Palestine, then Israel has a problem with it
I been living in Ireland the whole time and I been to Dublin often at that time
ThatOneDrunkUncle@reddit
Yeah sure mate, I literally have just never met an Irish person who saw Israel in a positive light. I took courses at UCD on Geopolitics, and I heard plenty of negative ones, and there certainly were marches on Parnell street protesting the blockade of Gaza. I never said the opinion is wrong, there’s certainly a lot of credence to it. I have just always found the fervor a bit funny, that’s all. No offense intended.
ThreePlyStrength@reddit
Your comments give the impression that you’re a semi closeted isreal enjoyer who wanted to take a dig at someone speaking against them. Because you’re aware of all the fucked up shit isreal has done and continues to do, you’ve tried to present your argument as casually as possible by saying you “just find it funny is all”.
If Ireland disapproves of isreal then Ireland knows what’s up, there’s not really anything funny about it.
ThatOneDrunkUncle@reddit
Not really but thanks for your input! Don’t give a fuck about Israel and other people’s opinions don’t affect me or my opinions. Dunno why your impression reading skills are so horrid
ThreePlyStrength@reddit
Yes of course you don’t care. You just find it funny is all ;)
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
ok
Brilliant-Delay7412@reddit
USA has a lot of experience about that.
ThatOneDrunkUncle@reddit
What does the U.S. have to do with this chain?
Dark1000@reddit
I think it's extra funny because of the reputation Irish people have for being chill, good lads. Like they're all about having a great time, but just the thought of Israel gets them so incensed, their heads are ready to pop.
Clean-Ad-6642@reddit
It's pretty justified hate.
appolzmeh@reddit
Actually we do they still pay reparations to this day.
Express_Spirit_3350@reddit
Yes we do. We made Germany pay, not only the SS.
Dragoncat_3_4@reddit
We did. We blamed all the Germans so hard for it, they developed a complex and their politicians are physically incapable of admitting the actions of Israel are anything less than good and justified.
zlex@reddit
The early waves of Jewish immigration, the First Aliyah (1882–1903) and Second Aliyah (1904–1914), predominantly involved legal land acquisition under Ottoman and later British Mandatory law.
FederalSandwich1854@reddit
Wtf are you even typing
"Militant white nationalistsm, like any militant movement is aggressive and prone to expansion"
kwonza@reddit
Can you read? I said people can wish to peacefully get land
FederalSandwich1854@reddit
Ok but they did not peacefully get that land and are currently not very peaceful, wth is even the point of your comment?
Psudopod@reddit
When an ideology becomes a state it's alternative interpretations collapse into what the ideology is as a state policy. In the internal battle of what interpretation is true, the one that became real is the winner. If you want to espouse the peaceful potential of zionism, you need to either get your own name for your ideology or supplant the state of israel.
The zionism that exists in just in your head doesn't get a seat at the table. Good luck to you and everyone else who had that wish for peace, but you know what they say about wishes. If mushrooms grew in your mouth, or something, right?
SujiroKimisuge@reddit
Not true. You're right about pointing on before the state of Israel, and even so not soo right. Factually speaking, since before Israel, zionist groups that acted in the region operated similar to any radical terrorist group, with heavy ethno religious violence towards everyone not themselves. And this only worsened after Israel came to be.
So it matters very little that there were europeans far away with a different idea of zionism, or that this or that group exist. Factually, materially and historically speaking, zionism in practice has always been politically an ethnostate apartheid expansionist colonial project.
WannaAskQuestions@reddit
I never thought about it that way.
cmrd_msr@reddit
It's not about expansion, brother. It's about attitude. And the difference in attitudes toward Jews and goys among these people is at the level of Holy Scripture. Nazis, from the very beginning.
beansthemajicalfruit@reddit
Rflol
rollandownthestreet@reddit
An ideology whose only tenet is “a state for Jews should exist” is the same as Nazism?
Okay lol
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
That’s reductive. It’s a state with a two tiered legal system that grants one ethnicity more rights than the other, AKA apartheid
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Arab Israelis have the same rights as Jewish Israelis, and share the benefits held by Orthodox Jew in being exempt from mandatory military service. Thousands still chose to serve in the IDF. So… what are you talking about?
pimmen89@reddit
Are you counting all Arabs that pay taxes to Israel? Like the ones on the West Bank?
rollandownthestreet@reddit
No, because those taxes go to the Palestinian Authority?
pimmen89@reddit
Not all of it, Israel takes a commission and has time and time again witheld the taxes from the PA.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Yes, because when you provide a necessary service, you get paid for it. Anyways….
pimmen89@reddit
Which makes them tax payers, that are treated like trash by a government they pay taxes to. Anyways?
rollandownthestreet@reddit
They’re taxpayers to the Palestinian Authority. Who also treats them like crap. So, what’s your point?
pimmen89@reddit
So, when you say ”also treats like crap” you’re implying that Israel treats them like crap, which means that Israel does implement a two tiered system since they don’t treat the Jews on the West Bank like crap. That’s the whole point to the comment chain.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Yes countries provide certain rights to citizens over non-citizens. That’s what citizenship means. Every country has a two tiered system in that way. Do you need a refresher on the international system?
ScaryShadowx@reddit
No they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People
It's official constitution is proudly an apartheid constitution where Jewish residents of Israel get more rights and recognition than the non-Jewish minority.
Look at some of the outright racist clauses:
1A. The land of Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people, in which the State of Israel was established.
Ok, so what about the Palestinian people who have lived in the region for just as long and who's ties to their homeland are just as valid?
1C. The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.
So immediately granting more rights to the Jewish residents of Israel as there is no right to self-determination in the State of Israel for non-Jewish people
The state will be open for Jewish immigration and the ingathering of exiles.
So what about non-Jewish people who were forced to flee their lands? Funny how they are not considered exiles with the right of return even though they may still have memories of the home they had to flee, but a European Jew who has never seen a strong sun in their life for generations suddenly has more right to the home they chased the Palestian people from.
5C. The state shall act to preserve the cultural, historical, and religious heritage of the Jewish people among Jews in the Diaspora.
See how only Jewish heritage is preserved. Very colonial thing to do, ethnically cleansing the region for ties to the people that used to live there before the colonization.
Israel is EXTREMELY open about their apartheid, and it's just racist apologists who try and convince others not to believe their own lying eyes.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Yes. The Israeli constitution is like that because there are a dozen Arab ethnostates surrounding them (with “Arab” explicitly in the names of those countries) that have been destroying the Jewish people and culture everywhere in the region outside of Israel.
It’s like how it’s not racism from Black student groups to exclude White people. The centuries of violence and discrimination creates the need for the separate space.
LineOfInquiry@reddit
I mean the only tenet of Nazism was “a state for Germans should exist” if you’re gonna be like that
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Except… that’s false
LineOfInquiry@reddit
Exactly. Nazism is much more than that: namely the extermination/enslavement of everyone living in Eastern Europe so that Germans can have “living space” and their own safe self-sufficient society. Zionism is the same thing, the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians from Palestine and building a Jewish state in its place so that Jews can have a safe self sufficient living space. It’s manifest destiny but in the old world.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Except Israel has 2 million Arab citizens. Who serve in the government, judiciary, and military. Along with significant groups of Druze, Bahai, and Alawites, etc.
If you want to actually see what total ethnic cleansing looks like, you can take a look at why there are no Jews left in the entirety of Yemen, and like 2 left in Egypt.
Your comment is so divorced from reality it’s kinda funny. Kinda. If it wasn’t so scary what people can be tricked into believing.
pimmen89@reddit
Except Israel also treats another 5 million Arabs like trash and even commited genocide and ethnic cleansing against them, even the 3 million of them that pay taxes to Israel.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Israel collects taxes under the 1994 Paris Protocol agreement and then provides them monthly to the Palestinian Authority. If you have a problem with that, that only indicates that you don’t even understand why the Palestinian Authority wanted that agreement.
Gosh if only they accepted the two-state solution agreements proposed in 2000, 2001, 2008, and 2013. Oh, they didn’t because those agreements required them to recognize Israel as an independent state in return and give up on destroying it? Jeez I wonder why Israel isn’t nice to millions of Arabs, surround by Arab countries, that want all Israelis to disappear. Truly a mystery. They must be Nazis lmao.
pimmen89@reddit
And Israel also helps itself to a commission for collecting those taxes.
I have a problem with tax payers being the victims of genocide and ethnic cleansing by a government they pay taxes to. Utter mystery why tax payers don’t like that, no?
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Yes, you get paid for providing a service.
The people in Gaza pay taxes to Hamas. In return, Hamas has tried to make every resident of Gaza a martyr for their doomed war against Israel. So, I’m not sure if your standards hold up.
pimmen89@reddit
The service Israel provides to the people on the West Bank is ethnic cleansing? Or are you just trying to deflect from how Israel is treating its tax payers differently?
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Israel provides the Palestinian Authority with the service of collecting taxes for them.
This isn’t a complex arrangement. The Palestinian Authority would strongly dispute that its people are Israeli tax payers. You are, essentially, making crap up.
LineOfInquiry@reddit
There are native Americans in the US at all levels of government, did we not ethnically cleanse them? You don’t need to wipe out every single individual, just enough that they aren’t a threat to the ethno-national character of the state. There are millions of Palestinians who cannot return to their homes thanks to Israel and haven’t been able to for 80 years.
I never denied that other countries also did ethnic cleansings. That’s also bad, we can oppose all ethnic cleansing my guy.
What do you want, a 2 state solution? That’s been tried for 80 years now and hasn’t worked so I think you’re the one divorced from reality.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Well only ~700,000 were displaced in 1948, and basically all of those people are dead. So your “millions who cannot return to their homes for 80 years” statement is hilarious.
My great grandparents were displaced from Denmark in the same decade, is the Danish government preventing me from returning to my home because we resettled in the United States 70 years ago? That framing doesn’t even pass the laugh test.
A two-state solution would in fact work. Israel has offered to recognize Palestine as an independent country 4 different times in recent memory. 2000 Camp David Summit, the 2001 Taba negotiations, the 2008 offer by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, and the 2013-14 peace talks. The Palestinians rejected these proposals because they required recognizing Israel as an independent country in return. You must also recall that Israel accepted the original 1948 UN Partition Plan, and that in response the Arab League (~6 Arab ethnostates) invaded and tried to kill every Jew in the region. Thankfully they lost the 1948 war and did not accomplish that goal.
I tell that story because your statements seem to indicate that you are missing this substantial context.
cmrd_msr@reddit
The ideology that Jews are different from other people, and that Jews should be held to a different standard than any other person.
No different from any similar division of people into Übermensch and Untermenschen.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
That's kahanism not, zionism. Zionism is way worse it's imperialist ideology created in Europe that encourage stealing Palestinian lands based on 3000 years bibical claim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism
beansthemajicalfruit@reddit
What is a Palestinian?
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
Native of Palestinians not zionist settlers who stole Palestinian lands after creation of zionism in 1890.
beansthemajicalfruit@reddit
Did they call themselves Palestinians back then? Was there a government of Palestine?
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
Why does that matter? It’s been called Palestine for thousands of years and the UK started occupying it after WW1. Lots of changes were happening around that time.
beansthemajicalfruit@reddit
How can you give something back to something that never existed?
ScaryShadowx@reddit
Very telling that the same "oh these people never owned the land as recognized by European ownership, nor were they a recognized group of people as recognized by Europeans, so their land is up for grabs" is the exact same reasoning that all colonial powers used to justify their own land grabs and genocides around the world, and now you are using the very same to justify Israel's colonial land grab and genocide.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
So all of the dozen of states in the region that are explicitly and officially named as “Arab” are also Nazi states? Okay lmao.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Sounds like your rolodex of antisemitic tropes have got jumbled up
Lizardledgend@reddit
Yeah Nazis too were famously in favour of the existence of ethnostates
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
Yes, both are fascists
lewllewllewl@reddit
doesn't know what zionism is award
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
No, "Israel" has no right to exist. It's stolen land, Zionists should leave Palestine back to Palestinian
lewllewllewl@reddit
right to exist? what does that even mean
porktorque44@reddit
If that’s the first time you’re hearing that phrase you should step back from commenting while you study up on Israeli politics
Naggins@reddit
I mean it's useful rhetoric to actually explore what a "right to exist" actually means. No one really uses it about any other nations. "Israel has no right to exist" is as meaningless a statement as "Israel has a right to exist".
beansthemajicalfruit@reddit
Lol, ok
azure_beauty@reddit
Jews were prosecuted for "Zionism" in eastern European dictatorships that needed a cover for their antisemitism after the Nazis made it uncool.
Not that this is relevant here, but something tells me cmrd_msr may be somewhat nostalgic for the times when you could freely abuse your neighborhood Jews.
cmrd_msr@reddit
I've never made fun of the Jews who live nearby.
Honestly, I don't care at all about the origins of the people around me.
Black people arouse a certain interest (there aren't many here; I see one, maybe two a month at most), but I can hardly spot a Jew unless he's a cartoonish Hasid in black with sidelocks.
azure_beauty@reddit
With all due respect, we Soviet Jews lived in your countries, and we saw the social reality. It's getting better, but that doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist. I literally don't have a grandfather because he chose the communist party over a relationship with a Jew, and we both know it was eirher one or the other.
We remember the Jews prosecuted for "Zionism," we remember the matzoh baked in secret, the traditions kept, but always hidden, never talked about in public. We remember when the state wanted to prosecute us for the crime of desiring a state, for the crime of wishing to be ourselves.
cmrd_msr@reddit
If your traditions boil down to the superiority of Jews over non-Jews, perhaps it would be better to follow the Soviet path and forget such traditions?
azure_beauty@reddit
How does baking matzoh boil down to "the superiority of Jews over non-Jews"?
I know where you're coming from. I know the propaganda you lapped up, the "facts" you're taught out our people, the thinks you come to accept without ever questioning or talking to a single Jew.
You're still wrong. You're still contributing to the same hatred and stereotypes that have led to so much suffering among our community.
Для вас национальность второстепенна, но на документах, вы "русский", а на наших написано "Еврей." Вы работаете свободно где хотите, а нас постоянно опрашивают, не когда не доверяют, потому-что мы "чужые"
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
To your last paragraph: sounds like the situation Palestinians are in at the moment
azure_beauty@reddit
Can you show me one Israeli document where an Arab is in any way distinguished from a Jew?
pimmen89@reddit
Arabs on the West Bank pay taxes to Israel but are treated differently from Jews in the West Bank by the Israeli government.
azure_beauty@reddit
Arabs in the west bank do not pay taxes to Israel, they pay taxes to the Palestinian authority, and are in certain areas and circumstances collected by Israelis, to then be handed over to the PA, as under the Oslo accords agreement.
pimmen89@reddit
Not just in ”certain circumstances”, about 75% of it is collected by Israel and Israel keeps a percentage of it as a commission. So, more like ”in the vast majority of circumstances”. That commission Israel keeps means it funds the Israeli government too.
And that’s without mentioning all the times Israel breaches the Oslo accords by witholding tax payments to the PA.
I’m not disputing that Israel collecting taxes is in accordance with the Oslo accords, I’m saying that they treat tax payers like trash.
azure_beauty@reddit
It keeps a percentage because the PA won't stop financing terror and multiple rulings have said that they owe money to the victims of terror attacks that they sponsored.
They withhold tax payments because the PA won't stop financing terror. I understand that this is detrimental to the stability of the region and in all likelyhood a bad policy, but Israel being wrong doesn't make the PA in the right.
pimmen89@reddit
I’m not arguing whether or not Israel should keep that money or not, I’m saying Israel treats its tax payers differently depending on if they’re Palestinians or Jewish. You asked for examples of when Israel does that, and I gave you one. I didn’t say Israel doesn’t have a justification for it that hasbara people on Reddit can use to change the topic when called out on it.
cmrd_msr@reddit
My documents don't list my nationality. None at all. I can declare any nationality I want during the census, and that's all.
As for matzah, this fits in perfectly with the communist struggle against any religion, including Christianity.
azure_beauty@reddit
Начали любой советский документ, и ты увидишь что как "национальность" записано "Еврей."
Yes, some of the prosecution I describe fit into the communist struggle against religion. But christians are the majority, so your reputation is fine. The incredibly amounts of libelous information spread against Jews (not just as a religion, but also as an ethnic group) has forever tarnished our reputation and empowered antisemitism. And unlike christians, we don't have the benefit of being plenty.
cmrd_msr@reddit
в российской империи евреев, вообще, жидами называли))
В нвнешнем паспорте никакой национальности нет, совсем, ни у кого.
azure_beauty@reddit
I know how the Jews were treated in the Russian empire, that antisemitism then carried out into the times of the soviet Union, and them modern day Russia. It's a cultural phenomenon.
cmrd_msr@reddit
I think you're a bit misinformed. I don't see any point in trying to convince you otherwise. All I can recommend is: come and see for yourself.
azure_beauty@reddit
I'm informed by my own personal experience as a Soviet Jew. I know what I saw and what we lived.
tilsgee@reddit
Sorry for doubting you
But may i have some links?
Dirkdeking@reddit
This was mostly done by Stalin in the doctors trials. We are lucky he died early because many historians believe he was on the verge of starting another genocide against Jews.
After his death Jews where still discriminated against but the genocidal plans where shelved.
https://theconversation.com/stalins-postwar-terror-targeted-soviet-jews-in-the-name-of-anti-cosmopolitanism-265562
Azurmuth@reddit
https:// novayagazeta . ru/articles/2019/07/07/81159-vy-nam-rusachkov-rusachkov-davayte
ComradeYoldas@reddit
As you are doing to the Palestinians.
azure_beauty@reddit
Can you give me one example of a Palestinian prosecuted solely for the crime of wanting a Palestinian state?
ComradeYoldas@reddit
I don't engage with Zionists. You immoral human
Dirkdeking@reddit
What a pathetic copout.
azure_beauty@reddit
As we always say, the best way to cop out after being called out is to blame a Jew. Just admit you lied.
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
I mean there are thousands of
azure_beauty@reddit
I'm not asking for thousands, I'm asking for one.
thegodfather0504@reddit
it is a terrorist ideology
sarim25@reddit
If Israeli courts don't convict settlers after committing violence and murder, they won't convict Netanyahu. Most of what they will do is house arrest for a few months.
Otto_Von_Waffle@reddit
Bibi crimes are much more serious then merely killing unarmed civilians to steal their houses. He stole money from the Isrealian state, a much more serious crime in Israel.
MeaninglessSeikatsu@reddit
Yeah, what you don't mention is that even if he stolen shit, most of them are having their brand new homes cause of him and his policies. So basically it's forgiveable for the greater good
pass_nthru@reddit
💀
ZackRaynor@reddit
“The house always wins”
OsgrobioPrubeta@reddit
Satanyahu committed crimes against Israel interests, that's different from killing people that Israel consider disposable.
Halbaras@reddit
He can always flee to the US. Trump previously tried to pressure Israel into pardoning Netanyahu.
Failing that there's various other basket cases like Milei's Argentina, Orban's Hungary and Uganda he can try. Russia or the UAE might also work if he's really desperate and brings enough apologies and suitcases of cash.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
Israel will never convict themselves, unfortunately we can't convict 7.2 million people as for now but he will all zionists will in the hague one day.
porktorque44@reddit
Just going to remind everyone that’s it has been confirmed that Israeli forces funneled cash to Hamas regularly. Also there were many warnings leading up to the 10/7 attack. Netanyahu kills Israelis to hold onto power and the far right coalition that supports him is complicit in this.
Bullet_Jesus@reddit
The simple fact is that the right-wing is strengthened in Isreal when threats to Isreal are as real as possible, thus the Israeli right-wing is politically incentivised to be as belligerent as possible.
Upper-Rub@reddit
At this point, it’s probably safe “if our leader stops the war he goes to jail” is less a bug and more of a feature of Israeli society. The wars are the only popular thing he does, and the opposition party has to attack him for not fighting hard enough.
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