Russia hands Ukraine 1,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers in exchange for 41 dead Russian soldiers
Posted by ObjectiveObserver420@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 88 comments
Adorable-Database187@reddit
doctazeus@reddit
Russia doesn't care about their dead.
DTFpanda@reddit
Ukraine engages in forced conscription. There's literally hundreds of videos of them kidnapping their own citizens exactly like US ICE agents. If you're going to accuse Russia of not caring about their dead, you at least have to include Ukraine as well.
Ok_Fox9820@reddit
By definition there isn't unforced one.
DTFpanda@reddit
Touché lol
Live_Emergency_736@reddit
violent conscription might be more fitting. a lot of nations might put you in jail for refusing to be conscripted. in ukraine you are beaten up and stuffed in the back of a bus and sent to the frontline anyway. even the vietnam war draft half a century ago was more humane.
doctazeus@reddit
I mean we've all seen videos of Russian officers going into cafes dragging people out too so thats a disingenuous argument. Russia invaded trainee so what choice do they have. Russia chooses to conscript.
b0_ogie@reddit
This is a Ukrainian recruitment technique, not a Russian one. In Russia, there is no forced mobilization to participate in the war.
busification.org - here we can see how recruiting takes place in Ukraine - people are caught on the streets, beaten, tortured. Here is a selection of 7000 videos from Ukraine. There is nothing like this in Russia.
re_carn@reddit
I wonder why this is happening... probably because some country started a war with Ukraine and is trying to destroy it as a nation?
b0_ogie@reddit
You contradict your own logic - if that were the case, Ukrainians would have volunteered to go to the front and defend their country, but they weren't being grabbed like animals on the street.
Infinite01@reddit
Lots of tankie misinformation going around this sub now. What a load of shit.
MrDemonRush@reddit
Most of Ukraine want nothing to do with Russia, and this state of events has been there since 2014. Kharkiv was once one of the most pro-Russian cities in UA, by 2022 support evaporated.
If any significant portion of post-2014 UA wanted to become a part of Russia, they wouldn't have had to run in early 2022 due to people being hostile, and wouldn't have to agree to peace talks immediately. Instead, later that year they lost the only regional center they captured.
Rare person wants to go to war willingly, most would just stay and wait to be drafted, which was a thing early on. But 4 years of war take a toll.
b0_ogie@reddit
I did not say that they want to be part of Russia, I mean that most of Ukraine hates its government more than Russia.
MrDemonRush@reddit
Hardly. Would you blame your gov for missiles being fired at your fellow countrymen and possibly even at people you know/love or even yourself? I don't think we need to state the answer to the question after seeing Israel. Zelensky might be unpopular, but being pro-russian in the country rn means being an outcast.
b0_ogie@reddit
>Would you blame your gov for missiles being fired at your fellow countrymen and possibly even at people you know/love or even yourself?
Every president in Ukraine came to power because he declared in the program that he would make peace with Russia and would not engage in segregation of Russian-speaking Ukrainians. It was because of this that they received votes. And everyone cheated, Poroshenko declared mobilization, went to war in Donbass and lost. Zelensky promised to make peace with Russia, but on the contrary, he began to escalate. As a result, his foolish policies led to a war, after which he managed to usurp power.
>Zelensky might be unpopular, but being pro-russian in the country rn means being an outcast.
That is why 5 million Ukrainians have moved to Russia since 2014. And there will be many more. No matter how you deny it, but the whole coast is Russian with Ukrainian citizenship, the whole north too. All major cities are Russian-speaking even now.
The parents of these people from the center and the east, seeing what a madhouse is happening in Ukraine, seeing the ban on teaching in Russian, seeing what they teach their children, just take and leave for Russia.
MrDemonRush@reddit
He usurped nothing, current situation is not really covered by the constitution, and elections are impossible when parts of your country are under occupation and all of your country is being bombed by drones. He offered elections for a ceasefire, Russia declined, multiple times.
Peace with Russia is impossible for Ukraine, the only position they would accept is complete subservience. This is why Putin bought Yanukovich in 2013 to stir him away from EU, which led to 2014's revolution. Despite any help that the West might have given to revolutionaries, they never would have succeeded without significant civil unrest. Revolutions happen when both money and will are present.
Now you are changing the subject. People identifying as Russians or Ukrainians don't mean a thing here. Being Russian speakers or not means nothing as well, it will take time until things change. What matters is that those people won't come and support Russia even if they enter those cities. They saw the kind of support Russia gives and want none of it. Ask Kherson residents about "Russia is here forever" for example. I do know quite a bit of Ukrainians, and they prefer going West, especially the younger ones.
And this is just rich. You do know what things are being taught in Russian schools that were introduced in the recent years? I'll give you a hint: be a serf and make more children for our war.
re_carn@reddit
Using this logic, can you explain why Russians rushed to Kazakhstan and other countries when mobilization was announced?
Yeah, I heard about those “volunteers” who were rounded up right off the streets of Luhansk.
Fearless-Feature-830@reddit
So does Russia
JoJoeyJoJo@reddit
Impressive cope.
ClownFace488@reddit
When things are not going well from Russia their fan base has to find TCC videos, body exchange, or RU casualty estimates by Ukraine to post in order to keep the narrative alive while ignoring all the bad shit. Unyet somehow you say this guy is coping.
Haeckelcs@reddit
Russia consistently returning more bodies is bad? The mind truly works in mysterious ways.
ClownFace488@reddit
Don't be obtuse. This is always posted in a way to push the narrative that Ukraine is taking way more casualties than Russia. It's not hard to figure out. The mind works in mysterious ways, and sometimes it doesn't work at all
JoJoeyJoJo@reddit
Is there any reason to think that isn't true? They're outnumbered and having to recruit increasingly old men - that doesn't sound like it's what happens when things are going well.
Infinite01@reddit
Yes, there are many reasons to believe that is not true from countless legitimate sources I.e https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-grinding-war-ukraine
Estimates are that Russian fatalities as of January this year are between 275-325k. Casualties are upwards of 1.2 million. Comparably Ukrainian fatalities are between 100-140k and 500-600k casualties which puts the ratio at about 2:1.
Your point about recruitment of increasingly older soldiers is also applicable to Russia. You can see firsthand from the majority of drone videos that their soldiers are poorly equipped older men, likely drafted from rural villages and prisons throughout the country.
ClownFace488@reddit
Yes, reality.
JoJoeyJoJo@reddit
What does reality show w.r.t casualty figures, then?
ClownFace488@reddit
Ukraine collapse when?
JoJoeyJoJo@reddit
So no answer then?
ClownFace488@reddit
You want me to put a number on something nobody knows so you can argue about it? Let's see, according to the post the K/D is 25 to 1 in favor of RU. With that ratio and only "only men" I'm just wondering when the big breakthrough will be.
JoJoeyJoJo@reddit
I mean you said reality showed Ukraine wasn't losing more men than Russia, you're 2/2 for having nothing to back that up now.
ClownFace488@reddit
2/2? That's important to you? I'm glad I could make you feel better about yourself.
JoJoeyJoJo@reddit
This is just more dodging, you can just admit you have nothing.
ClownFace488@reddit
I admit I have nothing. I have seen the light. Russia IS winning and victory will come any day now. Thank you for changing my perspective. I will ignore the stalled front, the long range attacks on refineries, the path through AA in Crimea, the endless videos of drones and will only focus on 25/1 k/D and the glorious victory. I can't wait to go out into Reddit and do some "winning" of my own against NAFO losers!
lewllewllewl@reddit
Russia can't take Chasiv Yar in two years
Haeckelcs@reddit
Why doesn't Ukraine return any bodies then? What is happening to the deceased Russian soldiers? In what condition are their bodies that they refuse to turn them over?
A little thought process for you to research.
ClownFace488@reddit
Yawn. I'll reply wihen this gets posted again in 2 days.
KronusTempus@reddit
You’re really living up to your username
SirLadthe1st@reddit
And you'll probably refuse to answer yet again, huh?
ClownFace488@reddit
Probably. It's all been said. This is just me interrupting the circle jerk
MrDemonRush@reddit
They simply don't bother collecting them. Gruesome, but not surprising. People's been saying this on RU side for years at this point, but being a bot, you won't know it.
b0_ogie@reddit
It's a matter of perception. Everyone understands that this is a body exchange coefficient, not a loss coefficient.
In reality, Ukraine's losses are only slightly higher than Russia's, according to osint data from obituaries. Recently, the ratio tends to be 1 to 1, although in the early years of the war Ukraine lost many more soldiers, especially in 2022.
doctazeus@reddit
They wouldn't have staged mobile crematorium before they invaded and sent more than a million to die in meat waves if they cared.
SakanaToDoubutsu@reddit
The "meat waves" are a myth. Are the Russians more casualty tolerant than NATO typically is? Sure, that may be true, but they're not just randomly throwing infantry at objectives hoping to overwhelm the Ukrainians with brute force.
doctazeus@reddit
They're sending a few soldiers into enemy territory just to plant a flag take a picture and get blown up. Over and over and over.
Chris_Hatchenson@reddit
Sure, thats why most recruitment ads in Russia say “WE NEED GUARDS/DRIVERS/UAV OPERATORS FOR OUR REAR ECHELONS! NOT A STORM! YOU GET TWO MILLION RUBLES AS A SIGN BONUS JUST TO HANG OUT AWAY FROM FIGHTING! TOTALLY NOT A STORM WE PROMISE! ITS A ONE YEAR CONTRACT, JUST IGNORE THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT EXTENDS DURATION OF ARMY CONTRACTS UNTIL THE END OF “PARTIAL MOBILIZATION”! JUST ONE YEAR AND DID WE TELL YOU WONT EVER BE SENT TO A STORM UNIT!?”
MrDemonRush@reddit
It is, in fact, a thing that they did for a long while. Avdeevka or whatever the city was called cost them 16k troops alone in 2024, probably more people that were living there pre-war. It is a recent thing where both sides started to employ small troops and drones style of warfare, Ukraine also threw people in a meat grinder in 2023 offensive, due to their tactics being similar at the time. Wagner, who were considered the most effective force in RU military, officially had a toll of like 20k on their side.
datNomad@reddit
Massive casualties don't necessarily mean that they use "meat wave" tactics. Modern warfare has changed. Drone killzone is an absolutely horrible thing. Both sides suffer massive casualties. Neither side uses "meatwave" tactics. This bullshit belongs to r/worldnews, not this sub.
MrDemonRush@reddit
Man, if you don't know a thing about UA/RU war, shut the hell up. Avdeevka saw army techies being turned into stormtroopers because entire regiments were turned into nothing(and rotation never came btw, many regiments in the current Russian army never had a single one). This is how it worked with regiment 1487, for example.
Wagner officially employed meatwave tactics with conscripted prisoners, calling Bahmut operation "Bahmut's meatgrinder", it was the official name Prigozhin called it, look it up.
UA did pretty much the same thing with Rabotino offensive, they failed to achieve anything despite having major manpower commited there, with a lot of losses despite the obvious inefficiency, which was ignored by command and has been called a major mistake of their side by their own generals and ex-generals, no less.
Again, if you know nothing about how the events of this war went, shut your trap and be silent.
JoJoeyJoJo@reddit
These are the 'meat waves' that no one has ever recorded?
doctazeus@reddit
I mean besides every single day for the last 4 years on Reddit but sure Ivan.
JoJoeyJoJo@reddit
Got a link?
doctazeus@reddit
Russian bot farm out in force on this one. Not sure if they're run from India or somewhere else but pretty pathetic none the less. You can tune in daily for more meat wave videos, many subs on Reddit but r/UkraineWarVideoReport is a good one.
Stubbs94@reddit
Why do you assume anyone questioning you is a Russian bot? There is a lot of propaganda around the war. It doesn't mean someone immediately supports Russia when they question the Ukrainian narrative.
Britstuckinamerica@reddit
I don't understand why you wouldn't just prove him wrong with a single video; that would instantly shut all the "bots" up. Can't you just link one of the videos that have come out every single day for the last 4 years on Reddit?
doctazeus@reddit
There's more than one posted link if you look above.
Britstuckinamerica@reddit
The link you posted obviously doesn't involve a meatwave, and the only other link is of a training exercise.
datNomad@reddit
You can't provide even one concrete example? Nafo bot.
JoJoeyJoJo@reddit
I've never seen one on there, is the thing. Most of the time someone is throwing around 'meat waves' it's described as "there were like 8 men" or "you see a Russian and then sometimes later you see another Russian".
Hardly Stalingrad, is it? Just more nonsense propaganda.
Much_Guest_7195@reddit
Here you go, vatnik.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/WpRxaGmaUS
Live_Emergency_736@reddit
there are hd drones recording nearly every single area in ukraine.
if russians were meatwall charging kamikaze you imply them to be your prime example wouldn't be two year old grainy sped up footage that can't even be properly concluded to not be training footage.
this is a very poor example that has hurt your argument more than it has aided it - because it implies a lack of better example.
putcheeseonit@reddit
Looks like a training exercise and the replies seem to agree
JoJoeyJoJo@reddit
That's barely a squad!
Haeckelcs@reddit
But its a meat wave squad!
b0_ogie@reddit
There is not a single dead soldier in the video. It looks more like an exercise or a very successful attack.
no_soy_livb@reddit
Of all the things that didn't happen, that didn't happen the most.
b0_ogie@reddit
The tale of mobile crematoriums is a fake for very stupid people.
Burning a person to the ground is very expensive, requires a lot of fuel and time. When someone wants to hide their losses, they come to the forest on an excavator, dig a trench, dump the bodies there and then the excavator fills up the bodies.
b0_ogie@reddit
Just the opposite. The Russians are extract all the dead, both their own and Ukrainian. The total exchange rate is now 23k Ukrainian soldiers for 3k Russian soldiers. Judging by the exchange rate, Ukraine does not seek to extract dead at all. Even this month, when Ukraine was conducting an offensive, they were able to accumulate only 41 dead Russians. In addition, in Russia, a DNA test is now mandatory when entering the army, so that the body of the deceased can be identified later.
In general, this is due to the fact that Ukraine forcibly recruits people and recruitment rates do not depend on the media component. It's even better for them not to get the bodies back, so as not to pay compensation.
At that time, in Russia, all military personnel volunteers hired for money. If the state does not painstakingly collect the dead and pay compensation to relatives, no one will join the army and their recruitment rates will drop to zero. The Ministry of Defense is trying very hard to maintain the status of a guarantor of both payments and the return of the deceased's body.
qwertyalguien@reddit
This has nothing to do with whether they want, and all to do with the momentum of battle.
The side that advances can retrieve everything, equipment, injuried and bodies. The side that retreats leaves everything.
If Russia retrieves more it's because Ukraine either recedes or fails it's offensives. If Ukraine retrieves more it's because Russia is being pushed.
That's all there's to it really.
b0_ogie@reddit
Ukraine conducted a major offensive in Zaporizhia Kupyansk, but still did not extract at least a few bodies from the battlefield. In addition, attacks from both sides often end unsuccessfully - this also allows you to take bodies.
The bigger point here is that one of the sides systematically does not remove the dead from the front line.
flamedeluge3781@reddit
You have a source for your claim?
b0_ogie@reddit
Open the map of any cartographer and scroll through the days
flamedeluge3781@reddit
It shows generally speaking that Russia is advancing at the pace of a glacier. So what's your point? Please speak plainly like a normal human being.
Ok_Fox9820@reddit
For Ukraine to extract dead would effectivelly mean offensive across all of the frontline.
no_soy_livb@reddit
What's your source for that? Ukrainian state media?
doctazeus@reddit
88% of Russia's advertised recruitment wages are tied to when they die at war.
Live_Emergency_736@reddit
i don't see a reason to mock russia for doing the thing every civilized nation does in inticing men to join via monetary and status incentives when the close alternative would be to do the ukrainian thing of beating up men in the street and stuffing them in unmarked vehicles.
MrDemonRush@reddit
I saw people being tricked into a "Storm" forces contract by RU side, they were told that they were going to be doing construction work, for 18 million rubles a year(with post-mortem payments, obviously lol). The amount of people who are willing to go to SMO zone even for big rubles is getting smaller by the day.
doctazeus@reddit
Ukraine wouldn't have to have soldier fighting at all if Putin didn't decide to invade them.
gigglios@reddit
You think ukraine does? I got a bridge to sell you
wet_suit_one@reddit
That...
That ummm....
That doesn't seem like a fair trade.
But y'know, whatever.
You do you Russia (it is Russia that's messed up here right?).
Dogulol@reddit
no one here is messed up. The reason for the discrepency is bc russia is the one advancing, thus the dead bodies generally fall on their side. No one goes accross the frontline to collect the other sides dead bodies, so they only get collected if one sides advances that its now safe to collect
wet_suit_one@reddit
That makes sense.
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
that was true a year ago but in the past few months they have not really been advancing too much so I wonder where the discrepancy lays? it looks like Ukraine is more willing to trade bodies for minor gains
Accomplished_Mall329@reddit
Maybe the discrepancy lays in the number of people killed
Infinite01@reddit
Lots of tankies spreading misinformation in this sub now apparently
saracenraider@reddit
Can’t wait for all the exact same comments and arguments from the exact same people as the last time there was an exchange. It’s all so ghoulish when we’re talking about the bodies of people pointlessly taken way before their time
Dependent-Dream7180@reddit
I really thought after years of these exchanges the same BS narratives wouldn't still get posted but guess I'm still naive.
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