New stats show Greece has the 20th largest air-force - and the 14th most fighter-jets. These numbers put Greece ahead of Spain and Poland, as well as ahead of Germany, England, and Italy, for fighter-jets. do you think this sort of military spending is reasonable, and where does your country rank?
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ragingtemper@reddit
The key number is the amount of fighter jets Turkey has.
There is a valid argument that Greece cannot stop spending equal amounts of money is the only way ahead unless nationalism, from both sides but especially Turkey, calms down. Given the difference in GDP between the two states, Greece can benefit a LOT from a reduced defence budget. But here we are buying Rafales and Belhara...
Essential_ingredient@reddit
Yes it’s reasonable.
What is not reasonable is the question and its odd phrasing
WorldOfTech@reddit
They should count only aircraft from the 80's and beyond....Some of these countries have some from the 60's.
belkh@reddit
if you start counting from the 80s you'll skip over the F-16, which seems to be the majority of the Hellenic airforce fighters
Janosh_Poha@reddit
Also, I think it should be considered the quality of pilots. North Korea and Egypt have far more fighter planes than the UK, but a UK pilot flying a Typhon will shoot down 5 North Korean MIG-29s before the MIGs even know what hit them.
shikso@reddit
I would revise this assumption as we saw in 1973 Egypt managed to down over 100 F4 Phantoms using shitboxes like the Mig-21
Also Egypt has F16s, Rafaels, mig29m2 and more so it’s not that easy as you think.
gounatos@reddit
Dude the vast majority were lost to SAMs. I think they lost less than 10 aorcraft total in dogfights
shikso@reddit
To lose 10 phantom F4s to ahitty migs from 30 years before is like losing an f15 to a mirage lol
Also there were documentaries about this so you can check. Especially the Mansoura air battle if I remember correctly.
gounatos@reddit
Am I missing something? I said less than 10 aircraft total. Not F4s. Also wtf 30 years before? Mig-21 was 1959 and F4 was 1960.
Are you ok?
raoulbrancaccio@reddit
So is this just Hollywood style fan fiction or do you have a reason to belive it?
Kreol1q1q@reddit
Get the Typhoon pilot five meteors and that’s about it for the old MiGs.
CaptainRice6@reddit
Not them maybe but Saudi Arabia and UAE are genuinely atrocious when it comes to military. They cannot even raise enough capable pilots which is why they use retired mercenary pilots from western countries.
Beneficial-Beat-947@reddit
Considering how much further the typhoon can engage from it's not impossible considering its equipped with the latest radars
In reality if the typhoon pilot was able to resupply and flew safely then they'd likely have a shot at take out north koreas entire air force
CG-Shin@reddit
Wasn’t that the “official” reason how the Pakistanis were able to down the Indian Rafaels? They blamed the pilots iirc
Wgh555@reddit
And a UK f35 could probably destroy the entire Egyptian air force if it had the ammo to do so. They have nothing to detect it.
PrimeGGWP@reddit
if they are outta range, which they are mostly - yes
Over-Percentage-1929@reddit
Too soon?
WorldOfTech@reddit
Quality is not quantifiable, then when an airplane was released is something we can easily take into account.
CalendarCold232@reddit
Even then most of those airplanes aren't even fighters, what's the point of a tanker or a transport plane if you cannot operate it in your own airspace?
IkmoIkmo@reddit
Good luck defending Greece's 6000 islands, of which 200 inhabited, without air force. A land-only force is useless. Navy will help but it's slow, a jet can be there in minutes.
Secondly Greece's biggest rival is Turkey, 89 million strong. You can't win on numbers. You need to win through quality. An airforce is such an area where a low number of top craft can make a difference. You can't beat Turkey nowadays with a landforce.
It's a smart investment. Though in a world of drone power everything is changing rapidly.
RoketAdam86@reddit
Until Turkey builds its own 5th gen fighter jets (or the sanctions are dropped for F-35), Greece will have a definitive edge in air combat thru technology.
I don‘t think that Greece & Turkey will ever go to war with eachother, but air superiority is an incredibly good deterrant.
Elmalukat@reddit
With the exception of upcoming F-35’s Greece is worse quality wise too.
Turkey can produce highly advanced Uavs and even smaller drones since there are dozens if factories, tanks, hypersonic ballistic missiles.
There will never be war but if there was it would very one sided.
IkmoIkmo@reddit
In the hypothetical situation it'd come to it, Greece certainly can't win a war, but they can inflict enough pain to make any Turkish victory a pyrric victory. Their military is capable of that. That's enough deterrence for Turkey never to start a war, even outside of NATO/US/EU/Sanctions consequences.
bozkurt37@reddit
Yes. I am turk and we have lots of neighbors and we have border with middle east also evil israel... Why the fuck greece spend that much? We wont do anything lol
Roufianos255@reddit
It's a massive waste of money. Turkey can make all the threats it wants but even a mental cunt like Erdogan must realise the sanctions alone wouldn't make invading Greece worthwhile.
Yavannia@reddit
Like Putin cared about sanctions? If someone wants to invade sanctions aren't the deterrent you think they are.
deselim@reddit
Turkey doesn't have oil and gas. They are orders of magnitude more vulnerable to sanctions than Russia is.
IkmoIkmo@reddit
Last I checked Cyprus is still under illegal occupation by Turkey for half a century and no credible sanction response is even being discussed.
I'm not saying Turkey will invade Greece, but it's retarded as a much smaller country to disarm to the point of being a total pushover. Cyprus shows what happens. You need credible power to strike back, tit-for-tat, an eye for an eye, mutual pain, to keep people out of your backyard.
dwolven@reddit
Agreed that you need to have credible power which Turkey had for example and that helped Turkey preventing annexation of Cyprus.
IkmoIkmo@reddit
Indeed.
jsawyer_@reddit
Finally a comment from a Greek that actually makes sense without paranoid thinking and hate. Thank you.
randomnameffs@reddit
Erdogan is facing massive opposition back home and since his buddy , the orange pedo is using war as a distraction, he might get some ideas
Turkey has a very important geographical position, and won't be sanctioned nearly as hard as Russia
That airforce will really come in handy, hopefully not for war but for deterrence
Critical_Parking_671@reddit
Greece is a per capita super power.
400 years of ottoman rule has taught greece a lesson in that Turks love conquest. Imbros, tenos and Cyprus have also taught them that international law means shit when it comes to the eastern neighbors.
You need alot of fighter and cruise missiles.
Poor and free is better than rich and vulnerable.
CryptographerOk7588@reddit
Well we learned that Greece is expanding from 1821 until now. And international law also means shit to them because they were planning an invasion of Cyprus but the Turks happened to be 2 days faster.
Greece is always fast to accuse but never looks in the mirror. Ask Albanians and Bulgarians if you don't trust Turks.
MajinaiHanashi@reddit
The one you are responding to is gonna get banned soon. Probably for the upteenth time. Seen it multiple times try to run its propaganda on different subs, lol. There is a certain rabid vibe in the comments the likes of it write.
Critical_Parking_671@reddit
We have an experiment.
Imbros and tenos, Turks in Thrace were protect under the same agreement.
Who Renegaded on their promise?
SOHONEYSAME@reddit (OP)
exactly.
Byzantium was, essentially, "torn apart" cause of the extreme weakening of the army. (mostly as a result of civil-wars).
also, in a way, modern circumstances "benefit" Greece.
numbers/population has never been less relevant, when it comes to direct conflict, especially considering the geography of Greece.
Dull_Cucumber_3908@reddit
It's not reasonable given the fact that our greater "enemy" (Turkey) is actually our ally (see NATO).
Both Greece and Turkey seems to be the stupidest countries in the whole world ever.
No-Heart3432@reddit
Your politicians could show that way but In Türkiye we don't give a sh*t about Greece in last 25 years. Our military growth is necessary ever since there are war occurs in our neighbourhood. And currently Iran USA war and Russia Ukraine war occurs in north and east. Since when did the Greece found itself in that kind of situation to increase their military capacity I don't know.
Dull_Cucumber_3908@reddit
Erdogan is saying bs like the following
https://www.euractiv.com/short_news/erdogan-threatens-greek-islands-with-invasion-at-night/
Mozan9@reddit
Because it helps him gain some ultra-nationalistic right-wing votes. Greek politicians sometimes do something similar, to an extent but not as bad usually
In reality, the majority of the population (almost everyone) doesn’t care and would not even consider an offensive vs Greece aside from maybe a very small percentage of nutjobs. Middle East especially Israel and Russia is more of a concern for Turkey
turbmanny@reddit
What about the opposition parties? They don't sound more friendly tbh
Mozan9@reddit
Well for the main opposition party still wouldn't be best buddies overnight even if government changed but it would be much better for Turkish and Greek relations. There would still be some arguements over EEZ in Agean but at least not stupid aggressive threats like Erdogan's. Also socially CHP is more left leaning than Erdogan's islamist AKP so I could see improvements to relationships with not only Greece but Europe overall
Dull_Cucumber_3908@reddit
Yeah! That's why I said that both Greece and Turkey seems to be the stupidest countries in the whole world ever.
Instead of agreeing to extract our common resources and then flood EU with our oil and natgas, we are in a constant arms race. We couldn't be more stupid than that.
RoyaleKingdom78@reddit
I think we can push greeks to spend their last dime on some insanely overpriced, DRM protected yet effective F-35s.
Thrusher1337@reddit
Our countries using eachother as an excuse to throw billions at the military industial complex is what I call Tuesday at this point. And I'm sure the politicians are doing their best to pocket as much as possible.
PotentialBat34@reddit
Turkish defence industry employs 100,000 people, a considerable amount being white-collar workers who conduct R&D, while defence companies fund a lot of university research. There are fabs producing chips for avionics, companies investing in high quality steel production and many more. Rearmament is a net positive for Turkey.
sombrerobear@reddit
Imagine those resources going to R&D in a productive sector.
PhShivaudt@reddit
We don't do that here. Why bother when you can just tax the shit out of your citizens the use that productive sector to fuck em even harder
RoyaleKingdom78@reddit
Yet even after including those to military spending, Turkey still spends less per GDP than Greece, which is ironic. Buying military equipment from US is no different than buying epipen from US. Device costs a dollar at max to produce, a dollar to ship, another dollar for medication itself at worst then boom! 4$ to 200$! Why? epinephrine is a generic drug? Because we can + no one would feel itself safe without one. American company greed is the greatest scam of 21.st century.
Voldypants_420@reddit
Even though I agree with the fact that a strong Turkish defence industry is a necessity in our situation, I'd love to see the same type of investment in civilian tech industries as well, as they trickle down to people and open new areas of business unlike military industry that is a closed box that adds little to your average Mehmet.
Long story short, why not both?
No-Heart3432@reddit
Actually Greece does that only. Don't get me wrong. In last 25 years in our borders we saw Russia Ukraine war, Russia Georgia war, Azerbaijan Armenia war, Iran USA war, Iraq USA war and Syria conflict. Only the European borders didn't see a war. For other borders we are in the fire zone. So Military spends are necessary. I don't think Greece is in that situation.
RoyaleKingdom78@reddit
Dude at least Turkey lies in some shitty place, namely neighbours Iraq,Syria,Iran,Caucasus, Balkans, Middle east all at the same time and has low tempered armed civil unrest, what the f do greeks fear other than some hollow statements that would never happen? Any intervention to greek soil would led turkey being kicked out of NATO -since no one in NATO favours Turkey over Greece since dissolution of USSR-, leaving it extremely vulnerable.
It makes only sense when I think of aegean maritime claims but even then it entirely depends on foreign involvements and reactions.
BetImaginary4945@reddit
Erdogan is Lockheeds best salesman.
Palagrin@reddit
pls sme stop him... my landlord doesnt accept fighter jets as payment
RasputinXXX@reddit
We try komsu bro. We try :(((
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
Every military spending is unreasonable, until it isn't.
LaVeriteEstDansLeVin@reddit
Everything is something until it isn't
eucalyptus-d@reddit
What about your statement?
No-Heart3432@reddit
They are comparing themselves with Turkiye. Which is utterly nonsense. Türkiye sits on the hell fire. In last 25 years we saw Iraq-USA war, Syria conflict, Azerbaijan Armenia war, Iran USA war, Russia Georgia war, Russia Ukraine war. So the country has to protect itself. On the other hand Greece is preparing if their NATO ally could attack them. Dumb way to waste money tbh.
turbmanny@reddit
It is not like we prepare for a potential attack by a NATO ally. See it more like we take defensive measures after being threatened on speech by also in the field time and over again 😊😌
Civil_Marzipan_6147@reddit
Wait until the war starts and Germany builds planes instead of passat and golfs
turbmanny@reddit
inserts Boromir meme
It is not so easy to start building planes...
MrImAlwaysrighT1981@reddit
Pure numbers don't mean much, so we don't know, from these numbers alone, what generation of fighter jets they belong to, and what their condition is.
The way I see it, Greece in particular, holds big air force because of constant tensions with Turkey, their archipelagos which are relatively close to Anatolian coast, and are vulnerable to potential Turkish assault. So they are sort of forced to keep it, as a deterrent at least.
Is their airfleet better than German or English, just cause they have more fighter jets, not necessary, are they able to keep all of them operative or half of them is just for show, don't know, could that money be better spent, it depends, during peace, hell yeah, but, if the war between Greece and Turkey ever occurs, those jets would be worth every penny ever spent on them.
Interesting_Fig_7484@reddit
You greatly overestimate the operational capabilities of the uk and germany
nosfer82@reddit
We unfortunately have a LOT of new generation aircrafts. + We will get F35 soon. WAY too many money spend there. In this world maybe is for the best. If you see the navy statistics they say a similar story. Too much warships as we are a naval state.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit (OP)
it's good.
(if u want to protect our country & our people).
& yes,
we do have a "strong" naval-force.
apart from the ship we sent to Cyprus, in our port, there's a BIG military ship majority of the time, sometimes "smaller" ones - and, also, MANY people.
(& I think it's similar in other islands).
peetagoras@reddit
That is still less then turkey has, so they should add some more
Weary_Bee_7957@reddit
it must be maintenance hell
BarnaclePotential132@reddit
Greece got a lot of islands to protect. I assume jets are cheaper and more effective to project power around these island.
Tardosaur@reddit
Dude never heard of ships
MrImAlwaysrighT1981@reddit
Ships are less versatile, slower, more expensive. With good airforce, Greece can protect it's archipelagos and mainland at the same time, while keeping the expenses same or lower than what big fleet would require.
Tardosaur@reddit
Um, no
I mean, 1 ship is more expensive than 1 fighter jett. But it's like comparing a tank to a handgun.
MrImAlwaysrighT1981@reddit
You don't use ships for land battles, unless it's near the coast, and carriers are way too expensive for most nations, let alone Greece.
Your other point, I don't know even where to start. First of all, your comparison is way off, there's different type of ships just like aircraft, and some can destroy most ships in hypothetical, one on one situation.
Other important thing is exactly the price difference, for the price of one modern battle ship, you can have a squadron of multirole fighters, and you can move them much quicker from one end of the country to the other, if needed. In the case of the Greece, it's especially important, cause of all the islands and distance among them, not to mention the needed infrastructure already present in airfields across archipelagos.
Last, but not least, air superiority is crucial in modern warfare, so even the best fleet in the world, without adequate air support has no chance against attacks from the air, which is why aircraft carriers became most important ships in the fleet during WW2 Pacific theater.
EnesAkhan@reddit
A ship costs way more than a jet especiqlly far far more than f-16s (f-16 is their main air fleet atm) nd far slower . In an emergency sending couple jets would be easier than sending off a ship that will arrive late .
BarnaclePotential132@reddit
Thats why i wrote cheaper and (much) more effective. Faster to respond also. And especially when you consider how effective Warships close to the coast have proven to be recently (in the war in Ukraine). There is nothing wrong with this conclusion. I assume in your world you would place billion $ ships next to every island and in insta-hit flight time away of rockets, missiles and drones.
Toni_088@reddit
They are just expensive if not more
EnesAkhan@reddit
Honestly drones would be cheaper . Not as defensive purpose but keeping an eye on the vicinity or other stuff . So constantly flying drones for that is quite cheap . Turkiye does that with their border areas .
A_Monsanto@reddit
Turkey still has double
Sttoliver@reddit
Turkey has 900% more population dude
extreme857@reddit
Thing is Turkey can use all of it's fighters for air to air role and let ucavs do ground pounding,latest ucav model can even do BVR
Turkey produced more than couple thousand UCAV's and most of them exported and nobody knows how many UCAV's Turkey has.
s3rpentor@reddit
USA selling all its old inventory, making space for the new tier of aircraft. If you do not have the latest and greatest tech, it is meaningless how many planes you have.
MaxDrexler@reddit
The one on second place is highly overrated
Dunkelhaft@reddit
Not important in couple of years due to drones imo
Ujemegaz@reddit
Judging by the last wars, airforce is not that scary, regardless of landscape. I think that, in Balkans, only Serbia is properly developing an army capable of withstanding any kind of threat. Their factories are at full swing, and they are probably developing in the house artillery and drones. If Greece does not produce in the house, it can only withstand a couple of weeks in war.
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
Yeah, Serbia makes some good stuff, m20 and milos mraps, lazar infantry fighting vehicles, nora b52 self propelled howitzers, alas multi role guided missiles, pegaz combat drones, some loitering munitions, and some truly legendary zastava rifles.
Ujemegaz@reddit
I was watching a youtuber, and zastava version of ak was regarded as top quality. Our government has also announced to revive our old military industry, but of course, there is no match to former Yugoslav one. Kosovo announced they would also produce drones and i think they have more potential than us.
A former turkish company in Albania, produced anti mine vehicle, but is basicly a f150 truck and armour. Not a bad a idea considering that spare parts can easily be found, but in the house production is the key to a sustainable army. Ukraine and Iran have proved so already. The first example has great support, but even then, they are heading toward home production of drones. Iran on the other hand showed they are no joke because they got infinite stock.
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
Right, zastava m70 is top tier ak, the old yugoslav one was super optimized for launching grenades due to Yugoslavia's perverse obsession with rifle grenades, and the new zpap m70 is considered to be one of the best in class globally, also zastava m84 (ceca) is regarded as worlds best lmg by some. And hey, using f150 as a base for anti mine vehicle is actually a pretty damn good idea I would say. But yeah, drones and artillery are proving to be absolutely crucial once the fighting reaches the inevitable ww1 style trench war of attrition.
krsCarrots@reddit
How come pakistan are a military power
SE_prof@reddit
Unfortunately beyond reasonable. We get to use most of them almost every day...
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
You'll quickly change your mind if one day they save your malaka ass
SE_prof@reddit
Yeah... Read my message again....
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
This means "Sadly, against my wishes, it is more than it is acceptable"
SE_prof@reddit
It is sad though because all this money could be used to improve our lives. But unfortunately it is necessary and probably not enough. So why do you call me malaka?
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
Lol, its definitely not to offend you, that's just the friendly neighbor speech.
Agree with that, but again - if bad times come, you will be thankful you had Air Force
dwolven@reddit
Mates you are both balkans. Why the hell are you fighting over English language?
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
Um, because the whole meaning is lost when you are speaking wrong?
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
While its great for them, how much of it is outdated equipment?
Another question, how good is Greek domestic industry, considering how important being armed is for them apparently, do they invest into their own arms industry?
Obv not jet fighters, thats is extremelly difficult and expensive, but stuff like armored veichles and drones.
pitogyros@reddit
Domestic industry is still a joke , lately only they started making some small yet decent anti drone systems and slowly investing in drones , other than that it’s horrible.
And regarding outdated equipment , that barely exists in our airforce ( ground forces are outdated , there is a modernisation program going on now though )
If we excluded outdated aircrafts then Greece would be much higher on the list as our fleet currently consists of
150+~ f16 that they are being upgraded ( 30 are already updated and 90 more are being upgraded now ) 25~ rafale 24 mirage kinda outdated but kinda useful-ish 17 f4 - very outdated
On delivery status 20 F35 with option to buy 20 more in some years
Elmalukat@reddit
Their domestic industry is laughable
SOHONEYSAME@reddit (OP)
Greek domestic industry is now focusing, exclusively, on that. (& "anti-drone" things).
in fact, the formal "Israel alliance" includes Israel sharing their intel/information on that sort of thing, basically helping Greece develop on the domestic industry, based on needs of the country.
baxulax@reddit
What’s the surprise here?
Fair_Quality_3788@reddit
8th. And we are the reason Greece is 20th.
LaVeriteEstDansLeVin@reddit
There are PUBLIC hospitals in Greece that have mri machines thanks to donations made by BETTING COMPANIES lmao
But yeah keep buying planes, they look great twice a year during military parades.
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
Germany an Japan does best. They mostly does invest on automobile industry and makes solid good products and sell it to world. When the time come they easily can move some part of that industry to military vehicle and jet industry with a budget comin from products they sell. Then they can make their own military vehicle and jets for use it,sell it or do it at same time and double their gaining while keepin themselves safe. Turkey doin it in reverse order,They does military products sellin all over of world mostly guns,already done some prototypes of their own jet and already taken dozens of orders for it while normal vehicles are not sellin that much outside of country bcs they just not good as others. For me i prefer the the way german and japans do bcs well normal vehicles easier to sell since civillians use it too and then u can move them to military industry and do military products to sell and use while already selling normal vehicles.
PfauFoto@reddit
Turkey & grift explain the Greek numbers perfectly.
LarpProfessor@reddit
No it is not
But neither is occupying almost half a sovereign country citing shit that happened 70 years ago
Both of the Aegean sides need to take a chill pill so they can eventually join the 21st century (like the early 21st century, because the second fourth is turning into shite)
Sulo1719@reddit
No one is occupying a sovereign country
Toni_088@reddit
Both? Really?
Last_Greek@reddit
Hopefully they will get to use it on Turkey
Yavannia@reddit
Hopefully we will never use them.
RasyonelRumi@reddit
Nice ragebait but considering you Europeans are dwindling and Greece’s median age is around 46.5, while there is Russia in Turkey’s north, your ragebait is highly unlikely.
Critical_Parking_671@reddit
Your age is dwindling too
RasyonelRumi@reddit
Please be objective brother. There is a huge difference between 33.9 and 46.5.
Critical_Parking_671@reddit
The only people having kids in turkey are Kurds and Syrians.
PckMan@reddit
This includes 17 F4 Phantoms as fighter bombers hell yeah
Narrow_Currency_1840@reddit
Die oberen beiden versagen mir aber irgendwie 😁… Der stärkste will die Welt dominieren, dummerweise will da keiner mitmachen. Und der andere müht sich mit der Ukraine ab seit meiner Geburt gefühlt 😆
Janosh_Poha@reddit
The Hellenic Airforce combat aircraft numbers will actually be dropping over the next few years. They will be retiring all their F-4s and they gave back a large number of their Mirage 2000, as part of a deal to get newer Rafale's, but they gave back more planes than they got. Also 39 of their F-16s have been designated for training and no longer listed as combat ready. They do have 20+ F-35s on order, those won't be delivered for a few years.
KakaoFugl@reddit
Are you even trying Hellas? 🤌🏻
veleso91@reddit
It's honestly bananas. At least they help us protect our skies from our enemies, for example the Bulgayrians.
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
You are lucky the Greeks are holding us at bay, otherwise we'd be knocking on your door as we speak
69RetroDoomer69@reddit
Funny you're talking about bananas
morbihann@reddit
Most sane 'macedonian'.
mw2lmaa@reddit
It's not reasonable except if you live next to Turkey.
yns1899@reddit
🤨
Comfortable_Cress194@reddit
we don't even have an army
Dear-Interaction-210@reddit
Highwaaaay to the danger zone 🎵
Nothing_Special_23@reddit
Hold on, so Turkey has twice as strong airforce as Israel.... yeah, press X to doubt.
AdmiralZisimos@reddit
Israel AF is based on fighters, if you look closely in the chart, it has more fighters than Turkey, and more advanced. Has 5th gen F35s, and a fleet of F15s (that can win any air supperiority scenario) and F16s. So probably has less transport planes, less training ones etc.
latespresso@reddit
That’s not strength statistics but the number of aircraft for countries, those are different.
OmeletteDuFromage95@reddit
The amount of aircraft doesn't indicate the strength of an airforce. Many of these aircraft might not be combat planes and others may be old and dated. Israel may have fewer aircraft but we also know they are bolstered by some of the most advanced jets in the world and paired with the tech and backing of the US.
askansas@reddit
greek politics is just about panicking their folks for an impossible attack of turkey to buy some more weapons every year. greece gov is ruled by israel and usa. poor greek pple. they dont deserve this manipulation.
Boba_312@reddit
IMHO, these kind of charts are quite useless for assessing the air force. In reality roughly 200 Greece's aircrafts are capable to fight for air superiority. For example, on this chart China has less aircrafts than Russia, but the equipment itself is incomparable in capabilities. Most of the Greece's fleet consists of F-16 and even older aircrafts, so I don't think it is much of a burden on budget.
New_Parking9991@reddit
our gdp % spending is quite high indeed compared to other EU countries, but given our location dont see how it could be any other way. About airforce in particular the idea is in since we cannot compete in total amount spent, we can at least focus on having very good airforce, so any attack towards us will come at a very steep price.