Selling my 9070xt and get 5070ti instead?
Posted by iridescent_herb@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 60 comments
basically i was using 3090 and recently "upgraded" to 9070xt, was hoping for improved experiences but i was a bit upset.
I now want to get a 5070ti, as I think the MFG and DLSS will beat FSR 4 and FSR single FG by much? people also says the reflex is making latency much less noticeable.
I do think i have a misunderstanding, as i thought say a game with base FPS of 60-70 using MFG will go above 200fps, but in reality it is actually more similar to the FSR FG so normally only 120/ 130fps. Am I right about this? if so, then I am less inclined to get 5070ti.
The price diff will be 150 gbp roughly..
AdstaOCE@reddit
Hundreds more for the same performance and a slight featureset advantage makes no sense.
f1rstx@reddit
it does, considering 5070Ti is overall much better gpu
AdstaOCE@reddit
"much better" with the same raster and around 5% RT?
f1rstx@reddit
features that actully works
F1T_13@reddit
It's £150 more for the more or less the same raw performance in gaming but performance in productivity, better feature support and long term driver support. And honestly, when you factor it. It's worth if you can afford it.. probably less so if it's like £300 difference.
AdstaOCE@reddit
Most applications don't have a big difference (or one at all), although in a few specific applications like Blender and premiere it can have a large gap.
Slight featureset advantage as I said, yes.
Unproven, plus even right now both AMD and Nvidia are equal on the support window. RX5000 and GTX 16 series are getting driver updates, both released in the same year.
And that's not to mention some things that AMD does better, for example more stable drivers, and lower CPU overhead.
BeltEffective9310@reddit
"Slight feature advantage"
why are you lying?
DefiantActuary6380@reddit
slightly higher performance while being way more efficient.
southwest_barfight@reddit
How so? I was under the impression both cards had a stock power draw of around 300w on load.
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
Undervolt it and it's WAY more efficient. I was at 270-280w under load. I barely reach 250w when undervolted, and have a bonus in FPS.
southwest_barfight@reddit
Which card are you referring to?
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
5070Ti
GARGEAN@reddit
They have similiar TDP, but under equivalent load 5070Ti routinely sips 40-60w less.
southwest_barfight@reddit
Ah didnt know that thanks.
GARGEAN@reddit
Also worth noting that "slightly higher performance" is raster or lighter RT. In heavy RT and especially in PT performance difference can be pretty massive.
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
150, not hundreds. RT/PT/DLSS/MFG/Reflex and now Dynamic MFG are just better. What about support ? Way better. No brainer for 150 more. Add productivity and it's bingo.
Take the risk to have an obsolete card when next gen comes out ? ( No new FSR on 7000 series ). No thanks. Don't understand me wrong, I would love to have an AMD card that screws Nvidia from all ways. But for this gen, it simply doesn't exist at that level.
I went from gtx1070 to 7800xt. Geez for the year I had it, I had more drivers problems than my 20+ years experience with Nvidia in the past, combined. That's why I went back to Nvidia. :/
Icy_Albatross9797@reddit
Honestly for your resolution, a 5080 would be more worthwhile.
iridescent_herb@reddit (OP)
should have bought it back when FE edition was still poping up from time to time.. now they seem to be gone.
EiffelPower76@reddit
It would be nonsense to go from an RX 9070 XT to an RTX 5070 Ti
Save your money for a future RTX Super with 24GB VRAM, just wait until the end of the year, or beginning of 2027
enlouzalou@reddit
I remember this being said about the supers the beginning of last year lol.
Icy_Albatross9797@reddit
Try looking for the less fancy models. PNY and palit are good. Dunno the prices where you live but in the uk, i got mine for £1050 for the palit gaming pro OC
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
Meh. I've got a 5070Ti with LG's 5K2K 45" screen and it's doing great. Sure 5080 is even better. Not sure it's worth the price difference.
LugiaS_Ruined@reddit
Stay with 9070xt, fsr4 is good and with optiscaler u can improve frame gen if u need it. Just save your money for the next 6000 or rdna 5
iridescent_herb@reddit (OP)
i shall give it one more try with optiscaler etc. and try a few more games before jumping to conclusion
blackops_kakashi@reddit
I own a RX 9060 XT 16 GB and a RTX 5070 as well (two separate rigs)
And lemme tell u, MFG is a God damn scam, FG X2 is more than enough (which the RX 9070 XT) also has
And with FSR 4.1, I literally can't tell the difference between FSR and DLSS anymore, it used to be quite noticeable but it's not, not anymore, I suggest u stick to ur 9070 XT and with the type of direction NVIDIA seems to be heading with DLSS, just stay with ur 9070 XT
LugiaS_Ruined@reddit
Totally agree
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
Sure. DLSS 4.5 and newest dynamic MFG is a scam. Please don't listen to this person.
blackops_kakashi@reddit
Dude, u can literally feel the input lag when u go above 2x frame gen
DLSS 4.5 upscaling is not a scam, it's impressive
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
With RTX 5000 series ? Then you're using it wrong 🧐 Base FPS of 50-60fps. Turn on Reflex ( Reflex only, not boost ), have a 0.1ms screen Gsync compatible screen, and it will help a lot.
The game depends too.
BF6 online multiplayer with mouse/keyboard ==> stick to FG x2 if you don't want to be "penalized".
Crimson Desert with controller ==> Just go for it.
I had that feeling with Borderlands 4, gosh it was horrible. Base fps was way too low ( 30fps ). Used DLSSP, some settings optimization, and now it works like a charm with Dynamic MFG ( still in beta ).
blackops_kakashi@reddit
Very interesting, what card are u card?
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
5070Ti too.
SleepyTurtle345@reddit
True in alot of cases when you go above 2x, but not always. And alot of the time going above 2x adds minimal latency, all depends on base FPS. To say its a scam is ignorant.
blackops_kakashi@reddit
Okay, I will admit I chose the wrong words but I stand by my point, I have played at 144 FPS by using purely upscaling
And the difference between THAT and native resolution+2x frame gen isn't much
But if I ever go above that, it's really obvious that there are fake frames and the ghosting becomes visible too
SleepyTurtle345@reddit
I agree 2x and upscaling is nearly impossible to tell the difference. Like I said though using 3x or higher really depends on the game and your base frame rate to how it feels. Some games like cyberpunk it’s implemented very well. Other games it leads to frame pacing issues.
horizon936@reddit
MFG varies by game and GPU, but to get a rough idea in Cyberpunk in my 5080:
2xFG and 3xMFG both feel more than great with this base fps. 4xMFG is a little sluggish but bearable. With 5x and 6x you might statt getting some noticeable artifacts.
FGx2 makes the performance take a 12% hit and each next multiplier adds 5% to that, so the higher the multiplier, the higher base fps need you have, essentially.
With an overclocked 5070 Ti you can comfortably 3xMFG any Path Traced game to max out a 4k 144hz/165hz monitor. The 9070XT can't reach those even with FSR FG and it doesn't support Path Tracing in the first place.
And yeah, both DLSS 4.5 and Ray Reconstruction look better and are present in a lot mode games (especially pre-2025) than FSR 4.1 and FSR Ray Regeneration. MFG not only has more multipliers, unlike FSR's 2x, but it also has a lower latency with better frame pacing and produces less artifacts.
Reflex is pretty much present everywhere in newer games, unlike AMD's Anti-Lag 2, and it's true that it reduces latency slightly better, but nothing you'll notice. Reflex also auto caps fps below your max refresh rate when GSync is used, but Anti-Lag 2 doesn't with FreeSync.
I'm always saying that the 5070 Ti is a far better card precisely because of its featureset - from Path Tracing, all the way to Reflex. But not so much that this featureset is way way better, but rather because it's simply present on a lot mode games.
Before you give up on your 9070XT, you can try forcing FSR 4.1 and Anti-Lag 2 on some unsupported games. If you want an MFG alternative, you can try Lossless Scaling, but the latency is even worse than FSR's frame gen. The 9070XT might not have an as easy of an OC path as the 5070 Ti too, but you can undervolt it for some moderate gains as well. It's an extremely nice GPU for its price, but u fortunately needs quite a bit of tinkering to get it anywhere close to the 5070 Ti in overall gaming experience.
iridescent_herb@reddit (OP)
man, you are amazing. i really appreciate the detailed answer and give me a lot of clarity. thank you
Salty-Wash3964@reddit
Personally I would get it only if you really need CUDA for work related tasks as there is no objection but for pure gaming imo you're better off holding onto the 9070XT or if you consider going green then get either a 5080 or 5090 class card
DiarrheaPope@reddit
Seems like a waste of time to me personally. But if you think having a green logo is gonna solve all of your problems go for it. If I was you I'd save my money and upgrade my CPU to AM5, a 9800x3d preferably.
iridescent_herb@reddit (OP)
you think i am cpu limitede?
DiarrheaPope@reddit
Shouldn't be at 1440, I just see it as the much more worth while upgrade. 9070 to 5070 is a sidegrade imo. If you think dlss is worth 150 bucks it won't hurt anything. Both are great cards.
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
There's the Dynamic MFG up to 6x now. I'm using that technology together with DLSSP on a 45GX950 ( 5K2K ultrawide ) and it's just awesome. Ho with 5070Ti obviously. You'll be good with it too.
iridescent_herb@reddit (OP)
so do you get like 400 fps or what? i am confused with this 6x, does that make your 50fps game runs at 300 fps? or in reality the perfomrance hit make your base fps so low that 6x is still 150
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
That 5K2K monitor has a dual mode. 5K at 165Hz, or 1440P at 330Hz. You can take advantage of both with that technology without any problem.
I personally don't hit the 165Hz. I'm more of a single player guy, and 120fps is already plenty. 90-100fps is really the sweet spot. You can configure you DMFG to hit/limit to the FPS you want, and DMFG will actually adapt itself to your needs, real-time. From 2 to 3 or vice-versa.
Check this YT video :
https://youtu.be/3mrLbhg4ytk?is=yqaUvnbtW1SxAKb7
ssuper2k@reddit
Base won't change with MFG. It's the starting point. If anything, it increases latency
SleepyTurtle345@reddit
Base absolutely changes. 50 fps on 6x wont give 300. I havent played with 5/6x fg but IME you ,-! expect usually 10-15% drop in BASE FPS before the FG multiplier for 2-4x
TrollCannon377@reddit
Honestly if your gonna swap cards from a 9070xt you should be looking at a 5080 or 5080 ti frame gen as a whole is kinda just BS and introduces latency and the 9070xt and 5070TI are basically equal performance wise
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
5080Ti ? Doesn't exist.
FG is BS ? That's actually BS.
AlexNae@reddit
Don't, get a 5080 at least with that amount of pixels. 5070ti isn't really an upgrade.
Lostinny001@reddit
If you are going to waste money, just get a 5090. I get the initial sticker shock, but it will "last" longer because of the higher VRAM. Meaning it will play the new titles at max settings well into the future unless NVIDIA feature locks it, or at least get a 5080. Idk, it's your money, but this seems like you're chasing some minor performance gains. At this point, stay where you are or bite the bullet and go all in.
BedroomThink3121@reddit
Yes DLSS and MFG does beat FSR.
And well the new preset B of Nvidia's frame gen is pretty impressive.
But I'd say a noticable upgrade over the 9070 XT would be a 5080, 5070Ti is generally the same as 9070 XT or sometimes slower in Rasterization performance.
gsanchez92@reddit
Me personally for now only would buy NVIDIA gpu. DLSS, MFG, Neu
latending@reddit
5070 Ti crushes the 9070 XT in heavy RT workloads, and DLSS is far more compatible than FSR 4 in older games (can get around this with optiscaler). If neither of those bother you, then not worth it.
Kagemand@reddit
I don’t really see it being worth the effort. FG is not magical in general and so even Nvidia FG is not magical either, and the difference you will notice is probably negligible. But it sounds like you won’t stop wondering until you try it, so you do you.
iridescent_herb@reddit (OP)
haha such is the tinkers' life
Ok-Use-8592@reddit
Not worth the upgrade to 9070XT in the first place, 3090 is close enough to not be worth an upgrade. 11% framerate bonus, are you serious? Even the 5070TI only gets you a 15% boost over your 3090, you'll need a 5080 to see any real significant improvements
Typical-Split9803@reddit
I am constantly amazed by the rationalisations people find to spend money unnecessarily. Go ahead. It's not up to me to stop anybody from doing whatever they want. But imagine a car enthusiast saying that he will turn in his car after a year because the other accelerates from 0-100 0.7 seconds faster. Sometimes, we just need to learn to be happy with what we have and suddenly, we have so much money to spend that we can pay a nice holiday or whatever. In gaming performance, you won't see a visible difference much like you won't notice 0.7 seconds when driving a car on normal roads. Sometimes, it's just our minds nagging and thinking that the system or whatever is still not good enough. If you don't need money, then who am I to stop you? Otherwise, there are a million things you can spend your money on that will offer you a higher return. We need to stop benchmarking ourselves to death like neurotics, go outside and breath some fresh air once in a while.
SleepyTurtle345@reddit
You went from a 3090 to a 9070xt and have buyers remorse and now you want a 5070ti..?
Helpful-Safe-5684@reddit
I have literally same setup monitor and all and spec but with 5070ti and i play also basically only single player rpgs, and i can recommend 5070ti
Electronic_Desk_3170@reddit
dlss generally gives better upscaling and frame gen quality, as well as being supported better. as someone who switched from nvidia to amd, i am a little disappointed with fsr, i think dlss is better. but only you can decide if its worth 150 quid more
bondybus@reddit
eh, if you want a 5070ti for dlss then just get it, if the price isnt an issue. Performance is roughly more or less the same.