Cupra's £23k EV is here at last – here's everything you need to know | Autocar

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_Spare_15_@reddit

Curious to see if the Raval can compete against the Renault 5. The 5 has been selling like hot cakes, but so has the Cupra SUVs.

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Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit

At its' real price it's competing with a far bigger Skoda Elroq.

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nkz15@reddit

Why do they always announce entry price and present top of the line spec that will probably cost twice as that.

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Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit

Because that means they get more clicks than "Cupra announces ID.Polo that's slightly quirked up"

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Pixelplanet5@reddit

because the top spec looks nicer and the bottom of the barrel price sounds nicer.

thats how it is in basically all industries.

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

Sounds like European car market following American car market. More people just rather buy used top spec cars over than cheap basic new cars.

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Taymerica1389@reddit

In a coverage I watched they yapped for a few minutes on how the rear torsion beam this car has is actually BETTER than multi-link both for performance and trunk space.

Like ok dude, they did to save costs and that’s fine, but don’t sugar coat it with random stuff, I hate journalists.

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eggs_and_ham_i_am@reddit

But with a real world range of 150ish if you go from 0% to 100% all the time is just too small for many.

With the added fact that you're not supposed to let it get thar low or charge over 80% regularly, the figures aren't particularly good.

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jrileyy229@reddit

Why is 150mi too small of range for many people?? The average commute is less than 20 miles.

150 is more than plenty.

An EV is not for everyone... I think people get a little crazy about range. As soon as you put 300 miles of battery in, now it's heavier and costs a lot more and now it makes no financial sense to begin with. A cheap little EV makes all the sense in the world for a large number of use cases

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linknewtab@reddit

Such a battery wouldn't even physically fit in a 4 meter long car, they would have to splilt the battery pack and put additional modules in the boot, which would make it completely inpractical for a hatch.

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

Eh? You fully realise this very car offers a 52kWh battery with 451km of range...?

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Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit

It's because no one pays tens of thousands of euros to have a car that can do their commute (if they're lucky) and nothing else.

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takao-obi@reddit

for small B segment cars in the 15-25k price region daily commute and picking something up on the way back home from the shops is the key reason people buy them. They are typical 2nd car in the family or first car for somebody driving to work.

the average commute in Germany is around _10_ miles.

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Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit

The key reason people buy them is that they're cheap, not because they're suddenly okay with limitations of the size class. Despite that, even a cheap new car is the second most expensive thing most people will ever own. If it's below a certain level of capability, buying it is impossible to justify, no matter how low you go. Why pay 25k if the car is useless for anything outside of a single, specific niche?

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Intel_Oil@reddit

The Problem is, a small car is nice for the old european city layouts.

Now the people living there are very likely to not have at home charging. So having a bigger range makes it less of an hassle to go wait for an hour at a charging station, since you do it weekly instead of bi-daily.

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jrileyy229@reddit

I understand, I'm not saying it is for everyone and every use case. A lot of people only drive 10-15mi a day. So you just plan to charge it every weekend.

My point is just that these offerings are good. Not every EV should be 50-60k.

Even if we know the claimed range of 180mi is b.s., the real world range of maybe 120 is still enough to suit a lot of households... Especially those that will have a second car anyway

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eggs_and_ham_i_am@reddit

I agree to an extent, the problem being the figures quoted are just not viable for what that car will actually give you for a 20-80% charge.

I've got an electric ID5 (awful car, can't wait to get rid) and I'm on a lot of EV forums, socials etc. and the number one question without doubt is from new owners along the lines of 'ive had the car 4 weeks and I was told I'd get xxx miles, however I'm only getting xx, is this right, is my car broken'

So yeah, not everyone needs 150 miles, but when someone is buying that car thinking 150 miles is acceptable for their daily drive then they're getting 105 instead because they shouldn't be be charging to 100 every time, that's an issue.

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