I am so tired of this techno-feudalist BS.

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habarnam@reddit

I think "any online services" is a bit of a stretch.

It might be because you've bonked your head due to tumbling on that slippery slope to your "licensed OSes" conclusion...

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

Any legal online services allowing uploading of content.

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The EU is not monolithic. While there's a lot of techno-illiterates on the paylists of BigTech there's also a growing block of data souvereignity supporters. I don't think the oligarchs will get what they're trying at the moment.

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

The oligarchs are lobbying Ursula.

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AX11Liveact@reddit

She sure is a thankful target.

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Neuromancer_Bot@reddit

The oligarchs retry every f*** year. And lately if they vote NO, they just retry at home (see Germany).

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define_MACRO-DOSE@reddit

I’m more and more convinced that tech oligarchies‘s like micro slop are conspiring to make computing hardware and open source software something that us consumers no longer have access to in the future

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misoscare@reddit

Play cyberpunk, watch total rekall, watch any cyberpunk dystopian futuristic film from the 80s and you'll start seeing the exact same patterns.

define_MACRO-DOSE@reddit

Ive read 1984 and it depresses me unfortunately

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fellipec@reddit

You know what makes me more and more depressed?

Before I was realizing the monitoring, the censorship, the history rewriting were all things happening in our society.

But in some days, seeing no hope, seeing all attacks on freedom from all sides, the economy ruining our paychecks daily and plans start to shift from buy a vacation to which kind of food I'll be able to afford, and getting more and more resigned that this is a lost fight and there is not much one can do... And you realize that not only the world is getting more similar to the book. But myself become more similar to Winston at the end of the story.

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PlutoCharonMelody@reddit

Bad rulers have always been a thing. They either end from dying from an outside force or from pissed off young men ending them from inside.
Or just the sheer power of time erasing their government structure from existence inevitably.

I don't think we will get 1984 style of a system as something would break far before then and cause mass havok.

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fellipec@reddit

Dude I heard "They will never be able to pass/do/rule" for things like 3D printing gun verification, age verification, encryption crackdown and so many other stupid things that were done that I don't buy this anymore. They already did the 1984 style system, people just didn't noticed.

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PlutoCharonMelody@reddit

It is important to realize that laws are vast and numerous so they can randomly punish people. They don't have to actually make sense as that is not there intended purpose.
So in a way they can pass such laws like they used to with the printing press when that first came out.

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define_MACRO-DOSE@reddit

Dont let yourself slide man.

The frint pages of reddit and the News media will make you feel as if your the only one seeing shit for what it is, but i live in a small community and we all see it and are very anarchistic and support each other 💪

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misoscare@reddit

It is a depressing read to be fair, but so will a dystopian future where everything is monitored, I've noticed that Reddit is slowly going that way with it's censorship on certain comments etc

It's a zero tolerance policy that the future holds watch demolition man.

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IADGAF@reddit

Reddit is totally pwned and is essentially ‘thought police’ made real. The harder you press against mainstream narratives, the more you will see this.

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fellipec@reddit

And they just kill this post too.

How predictable.

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fellipec@reddit

Have you seen how much this very subreddit fought people complaining about the mandatory age veryfication laws?

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define_MACRO-DOSE@reddit

I noticed that during covid as well, my old account got banned from multiple subs just for partaking in r/conspiracy lol

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misoscare@reddit

I've noticed certain ways of speaking where as if this was old Reddit it would be taken with a pinch of salt now I feel like I have to add satire to certain replys just incase, it boggles the mind.

COVID and my thought process are having a really bad time to be fair, almost precisely 100 years (from the birth) of COVID was the Spanish flu, it doesn't sit right with me at all, and the fact they still haven't told us exactly how, what happened apart from th multitude of different stories that have come out, the fact that doctors were "falling" out of windows etc etc.

It's not a conspiracy if it's facts, then the last few years slowly gaining pace, its like one big play book.

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define_MACRO-DOSE@reddit

Scamdemic lol. I could send you some shit i put together of Abbot rapid diagnostic test kits for covid 19 being patented 2 weeks before the public was even aware of covid. (In december 2019 through a shell conpany that was incorporated in may that same year)

You dont have to convince me, i knew where that shit was going before there was the buzz phrase
“2 weeks to flatten the curve” and our Virus specialist Bill Gates was the spokes person

Made my bed and laid in it and both my wife and i refused the jab even if it meant loosing work. (Which was also a red flag) 🚩

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spazturtle@reddit

Carful with those recommendations, the UK government's Research, Information and Communications Unit (RICU) considers reading 1984 to be evidence that you are a far-right terrorist and letting your children read it may result in a referral to social services to deradicalize them as part of the Prevent program.

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misoscare@reddit

Good job I don't have kids then and I'll literally shove freedom of speech up their ass at this point.

Also Just for any new monitoring programs.

The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood (1985) - Banned Reading material

Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher (2007) Banned Reading material

China Dream by Ma Jian (2018) - Banned Reading material

Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami (2002) - Banned

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain (1885)

Beartown by Fredrik Backman (2016) - Banned

To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee (1960) - Banned

Maus by Art Spiegelman (1991) - Banned

All Boys Aren’t Blue by George M. Johnson (2021) - Banned

Outlander by Joana Gabaldon (1991) - Banned

Harry Potter series by J. K. Rowling (1997) - Banned

The Anarchist Cookbook by William Powell (1971) - Banned

I'm sorry what happened over the last few years to "freedom of speech"

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

They want mandatory signed boot, thin client-only, centralised app distribution and also telescreen-like tracking features.

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define_MACRO-DOSE@reddit

Yeah, best bet is to start collecting hardware now don’t sell any old ram and shit like that, and the government will probably try to make that illegal. Buy it back like guns lol

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

I think that this also explains rising RAM prices.

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define_MACRO-DOSE@reddit

Welcome to corporate-feudalism my friend!

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

Don't worry, you will have choice! Andfoid or iOS, isn't that enough choice?

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define_MACRO-DOSE@reddit

😂😂😂 Your post was removed by the inner-party

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define_MACRO-DOSE@reddit

Sarcasm detected *

You will be deducted 69420 Social credit points

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Nunwithabadhabit@reddit

Jesus Christ this subreddit sometimes. Do you hear yourselves?

Yes I get it, big government bad, Linux good. But "They're going to make RAM illegal" is not the flag we should be rallying around.

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define_MACRO-DOSE@reddit

Jesus Christ this subreddit sometimes. Do you hear yourselves? Yes I get it, big government bad, Linux good. But "They're going to make RAM illegal" is not the flag we should be rallying around.

Relax bud, it was a hyperbole

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Nunwithabadhabit@reddit

I accept this

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SmalltimeIT@reddit

Signed boot is great if you own the keys yourself. Don't lump it in with thin client/centralizing crap, just drop your own keys on the motherboard.

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VisualSome9977@reddit

plan9 but evil

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_girltwink@reddit

exactly. i feel like a nutcase saying this to any non-techy person, but it is pretty scary just how locked in we are to a handful of multibillion$ tech companies insistent on pushing AI and age verification surveillance on everyone.

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

I am venting here because, anyone I talk to, I get these answers:

Are you a paedo, Russian bot farmer or hacker, or why do you want to use Linex (sic)?
But iPhone and Android are perfectly fine phones, they satisfy the majority!
Everyone uses Windows, it must be because it's good!
You aren't anonymous online now either.
But I don't want a troll to install me untrusted apps!
The software developers do a lot of hard work, why do you want to pirate?
You will have to accept that the internet will be locked to the vast majority of people!

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djc_tech@reddit

You forgot the: if you don't have anything to hide what are you worried about? I don't have anything to hide so I don't care

This one enrages me more than it should.

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balefyre@reddit

no it definitely should enrage everyone, but most are just largely placated

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vuture44@reddit

No it should enrage you even more. Like how stupid has someone to be to not understand the dumbness of such thought.

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githman@reddit

Reminds me of the NSA "how to recognize a potential terrorist" checklist released after the invasion of Iraq; the most memorable points were "reads books" and "uses the internet". Go figure.

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hypespud@reddit

You are discovering most people are either very occupied with trying to survive and live their own life, or have no computer or science knowledge, or both

And yes it's a problem which techno feudalists heavily abuse

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PaddyLandau@reddit

To be fair, the tech companies resisted age verification. That's come from assorted governments.

Otherwise, yes, I agree, it is pretty scary.

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Neuromancer_Bot@reddit

Age verification is pushed (and very hard indeed, imagine the picture) by Meta.
It's the matter of pushes harder with more money.
Politicians are shitheads that just take bribes to do what the best briber wants.

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empty_other@reddit

It's the matter of who pushes harder with more money.

Jup, this. It always come down to this. People join wherever they think everyone is, and that opinion is formed directly from marketing. Just as much as the opinion that the better alternatives are "technically difficult". Which is often true, but just as often propaganda. Thing is that no matter how difficult, people are jumping willingly on learning it if they think their friends already know it.

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SphincterPlug@reddit

There is investigative research indicating that meta actually put a lot of money into lobbying for this. So I wouldn't agree.

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PaddyLandau@reddit

Thank you. I didn't realise this, and it's concerning.

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DoubleOwl7777@reddit

same same. next phone will be graphene os for sure, to respond to this crap.

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

But people are stupid, to shun off the arguments they will allow an EU-based phone, but it will be just as closed as Google and Apple; I don't want any shepherd, whether I choose between 2 or 3 is irrelevant.

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_j7b@reddit

It's wild considering they sued the shit out of Apple for not giving users choice.

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

To them, choice doesn't mean the ability to use libre software, it means the ability to "choose" a shepherd, all equally bad.

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Episode-1022@reddit

and EU as shepperd? pushing so hard the chat control law? this timeline kinda sucks.

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vaynefox@reddit

For me, i'll buy a oneplus 6t and install pocketblue (Fedora ublue based) on it as my daily driver and then my current phone will just handle banking and other stuff that requires trusted device authentication....

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Skribbledv2@reddit

honestly, visiting brick banks and using cash might be a better shout.

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vaynefox@reddit

The thing is, I use banking app for paying my bills since most services in my country (water, electric, and internet) has moved from over the counter payment to cashless that's why I still need those banking apps. Then there is also my salary which is wired directly to my bank account, having a banking app makes it easy for me to check if they already wired my salary. It is really just an unavoidable thing for me....

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Klutzy-Mousse8527@reddit

get it right now dude what are you waiting for

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Episode-1022@reddit

cash, cryptos and open hardware.

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GeneralFrievolous@reddit

We're in for a very nasty techno-dystopia.

The electronics we'll buy will either have an intentionally short lifespan or they functionalities will be locked behind a ridiculous paywall.

We'll be forced to keep our eyes on the screen when ads are playing, lest the movie or video just won't play.

Services will be provided only to people whose digital footprint is immaculate and correctly aligned. One comment out of place and all of a sudden you're banned from the government's digital portal, you can't pay taxes anymore and your life is over.

Mentioning Linux, open source software or unlocked hardware will get you weird stares, because they'll be known as "what pedophiles use" thanks to an incessant campaign of smearing, carefully constructed scandals and even fake news.

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fellipec@reddit

The electronics we'll buy will either have an intentionally short lifespan or their functionalities will be locked behind a ridiculous paywall.

They already have. How long a phone lasts nowawadays?

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GeneralFrievolous@reddit

I imagine things will get even worse in the future. And also more shameless: today phones fail all of a sudden or slowly become unusable, in 2036 the self-destruction date will probably be written on the label or the box.

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fellipec@reddit

Dude, 3 weeks ago, every morning, my phone started to freeze for a minute when I unlock it. Out of the blue. Everyday.

Can't be just a "bug".

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_SleeZy_@reddit

Are you using Nova launcher?

The og devs have sold the company to some adscam company and introduced multiple bugs after latest version. I've been using nova for many years and suddenly got that issue, saw it had been gone down to a 2 star rating and was confused for a second. But yea people are not happy. So if you do use it, uninstall it.

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fellipec@reddit

No. Stock launcher, I used Nova but when was sold, I got rid of it?

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_SleeZy_@reddit

Ah i see, ye i also run stock now since i can't be bothered to get used to another launcher. It's a shame what happened to nova though used to be a great launcher. :/

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fellipec@reddit

Yes. If I find a good FOSS one.. Now don't bother

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GeneralFrievolous@reddit

I didn't mean to say they aren't already doing it now, just that in the future they won't be as sneaky about it.

Today we get random freezes and performance degradation that eventually results in the phone becoming completely unusable, tomorrow they'll write "We want you to only enjoy our products when they're at their best, thus this phone will self-brick in 12 months before it experiences any wear and tear. You're welcome :)" on the box or the instruction manual.

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Apprehensive_Milk520@reddit

We need to go back to using as little computer tech as possible, like we did back in the "good ol' days". I personally use far less tech now than I did 10 years ago - as in minimal. Feel as if I am being backed into a corner. I never talk tech unless it is with other techies, the non proprietary variety, naturally. And until recently, never really felt a need to express an opinion about anything, but it's getting almost impossible to continue to turn blind eye on what is happening to us all. Do not underestimate the ingenuity, though, of those with a gift for coding and networking. There are other ways to communicate, after all - and it may not be such a bad thing to go back to physically attending to computer club meetings.

If you pull up a current copy of the US Constitution, pretty sure you'll discover that the First Amendment is missing... much of like the book Animal Farm... their rules kept changing behind their backs, too...

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GeneralFrievolous@reddit

My fear is that it won't be possible to cut ourselves off from technology anymore, at some point. The choice will be either selling our souls to the machine or be unable to live.

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PaddyLandau@reddit

Next there will be a law that all computers must only run licensed OSes.

We're almost there in a sense. The new laws on parts of the US that insist on age verification at the OS level is the start. It's an insane law, and I mean that literally.

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MatchingTurret@reddit

You always needed a license from the copyright owner to run an OS. That's why we have licenses...

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PaddyLandau@reddit

That's true for closed-source, but not for open-source. You don't need it for any Linux, e.g. Chromebook, Android.

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spazturtle@reddit

Yes you do, you need to comply with the GPL v2 licence to use Linux.

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alex2003super@reddit

You do. The license is called GPL.

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MatchingTurret@reddit

Or BSD-2-Clause...

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Majestic-Contract-42@reddit

I think bad ideas are suggested in every country all the time.

A group of peoples pushing for a particular law does not mean an entity is looking to do that.

Always boil these down to WHO is actually pushing for this, not just the EU or the US etc etc. that's too vague and isn't representative of what's happening.

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

https://fightchatcontrol.eu claims that most EU governments are supporting it.

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fellipec@reddit

Next there will be a law that all computers must only run licensed OSes.

This is why Secure boot exists. And some Linux bros still recommend to use that BS

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librepotato@reddit

Secure boot is not a bad technology. It's just that Microsoft holds the keys for their OS and is pushing it onto all PCs. That centralization is consolidates Microsoft's power over hardware.

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MatchingTurret@reddit

OEMs could install signing keys from other parties. It's just that there isn't one with enough market share to make it worth the hassle.

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fellipec@reddit

"I don't agree with you, but here is your point again"

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Coffeebrain695@reddit

However shitty it is, iOS and Android are realistically the only mobile OSes out there that are accessible to the average consumer. Installing Linux on a mobile device is possible of course, but it's a niche and not exactly accessible. Much as I don't like this rule I don't find it very surprising that they've chosen not to cater for a very niche demographic. PCs are a different matter because people can acquire their own hardware and choose from a plethora of distributions to install on there

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

It is true, but there is literally no reason not to open the protocol and allow me to write my own client for my desired OS -- of course I don't expect the government to write it for me.

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South_Leek_5730@reddit

Sadly this was always the way it was going.

In the time before the birth of our lord and saviour the internet news and media was curated and controlled for the masses. Real news still spread but it took longer and it was only those that looked for it that found it or were introduced. The internet changed all that. Drop a bomb in a country and it's out within minutes. Government does something dodgy and someone will eventually post it and then the cat is out of the bag. Competing opinions allow you to see things from different angles and in ways you didn't think of. We still have a heavily controlled news and media but it's now being forced to report things it would previously never report.

How do you stop this? Due to the technical nature of the internet it's almost impossible. You can stick firewalls in but VPN's get round them. You can ban VPN's but as is the technical nature you can't ban them even if you wanted to. What's left? Mass surveillance like the Stasi and to do that you need to identify everyone using the internet and what they are looking at. It's not to stop you looking or seeing things it's to add fear of what could happen if you do (that's the next stage of our dystopian forthcoming nightmare).

That's where the idea of going after the OS's comes from. You can't connect to the internet without an OS of some sort. Connect with an unlicenced OS and you'll be in trouble.

Dark times ahead but I think for the most part there will be ways to avoid this at least for now. I won't say what the final nail in said coffin will be because I don't want to give them ideas.

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

It will be illegal, and the Stasi/Security will find out.

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Skribbledv2@reddit

If that law was to come out, workarounds will be found. Or so one can only pray.

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

Yes, but it'll still be illegal to be free with your computer. You could listen to Radio Free Europe in Communist Romania, but pray the Security wouldn't find out.

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remmus2k@reddit

Surprising seeing another Romanian here. My father survived the regime and escaped. Radio Free Europe is a throw-back

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Skribbledv2@reddit

Hmm, i guess so. But i see it this way, piracy is illegal take torrenting movies and tv shows, it’s illegal in most european nations (if not all) and monitored by ISP’s, despite this Ive been doing it on virgin media without a vpn for years

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Icy-Article-8635@reddit

"But without age verification ensuring that a real live adult is sitting in front of the screen, how will we know our advertisements aren't just being served to bots?"

Meta

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Economy-Assignment31@reddit

Sounds like it's time to make a new internet. Rollback to 1998 where there was enough built, but still room for actual improvement. Just before google.

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

What for, if it's illegal to make online services without the "digital ID"? Plus, the "digital ID" might even be required for renting apartments or such!

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mgomezch@reddit

you're not wrong but i mean, the TCPA formed in 1999 lol

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

Yes. The "protecting copyright" BS was around 2003: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html

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Mars_Fox@reddit

that’s exactly their point, to paraphrase that Schwab guy, ‘you will be thoroughly surveilled on your devices and you will be happy’

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PerkyTomatoes@reddit

Kinda surpised why anybody ain't suing. Not allowing installing another OS is literally monopolistic behavior.

Somehow we managed turn physical product into service.

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PaddyLandau@reddit

I don't understand. No one is stopping you from installing an alternative OS on any device.

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Neuromancer_Bot@reddit

Depends on the device and what you need to do.
E.g. I actually hate smartphones but I need it for banking and legal purposes and it MUST be Android or iPhone. Banking and ID apps works only on that.

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MatchingTurret@reddit

But that's a decision by the app developers. They could provide apps for other platforms, it's just not worth it. That's the infamous network effect.

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empty_other@reddit

Well, the device manufacturers are doing their damnest to make that difficult. Only what we know as PCs (desktops, laptops, etc) are open to just switch out the OS relatively freely.

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mina86ng@reddit

You can install alternative systems on many devices.
You can buy devices with different operating systems.
You can buy devices from multiple different manufacturers.

That’s why it’s hard to argue there is a legal monopoly.

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MatchingTurret@reddit

Next there will be a law that all computers must only run licensed OSes.

That was always the case. If you don't have a license, it's piracy.

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

Licensed by the state, and enforced via cryptography, is what I mean.

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powerslave_fifth@reddit

Well if you have nothing to hide, why don't you shower with the windows open?

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billcy@reddit

Or release the epstien files

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Neuromancer_Bot@reddit

Laws for thee not for me...
We are in a two class society. The nobles and the feces.

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OptimalAnywhere6282@reddit

that'd be hella cold, especially on winter, so fcuk no

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AlkalineGallery@reddit

I do, but they keep invading my home and throwing me in jail.

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KyxeMusic@reddit

Yup. We'll no longer afford computers.

We will all just have phones with a minimum amount of CPU and RAM and anything even remotely compute intensive will be in the cloud. Everything will be subscription based.

The future looks dark

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Saltkrakan01@reddit

Solution is simple. Minimize the use of the internet services like social networks, streaming services, online games, etc. Because this is just comfort and hobby, not necessary things for living. I bet, if majority of people do this and basically exit the internet and cancel the subscriptions, in a few months we will see complete change, because big tech realises, they are just optional life improvement, not vital for normal people. But this is utopia, because the most of people now rather sell their kidney for a new Netflix serie, than do something else to keep computing and internet free.

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KyxeMusic@reddit

Easy enough for some of us, but the population is hooked like it's cocaine. It's probably inevitable.

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Neuromancer_Bot@reddit

Unfortunately, they (we) are hooked because it's all planned. First they gave the illusion that everything was free, then they added a small fee, then they destroyed critical thinking by cutting education funding and destroying attention spans, and finally they slowly brainwashed people into accepting the situation. And if you say that, you're a conspiracy theorist in a tinfoil hat.

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Gugalcrom123@reddit (OP)

Plus they will have telescreen functionality.

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Natural_Night9957@reddit

Yanis is a nice guy but has all the glaring limitations and short-sightedness of the "euro" comunism. Techno-fedalism is not a thing. This is true, unabashed, late stage capitalism. Marx had written about in the Das Kapital vol 3 already (adapting the terminology our time).

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